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Ecuador, boosted by Latam support ready to resume talks with UK on the Assange case

Tuesday, August 28th 2012 - 06:36 UTC
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Following the strong unanimous support from Latin America approved by OAS, Ecuador will resume talks with the UK over the future of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange currently holed in at the Ecuadorean embassy in London, announced on Monday the country’s Foreign minister, Ricardo Patiño. Read full article


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  • Xect

    Way to burn your bridges with the UK/EU and the USA, Ecuador.

    For what one person and some token support to cover up for the problems in your own country? I'd of hoped that he would of realise this hasn't worked for CFK who has less than 30% support now.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    What a disgrace, maybe Ecuador could come to world recognition by doing something worthwhile, not seek glory from other despots because they have harboured a rapist. It just about sums South America up.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Sounds great.
    Tell us when you're ready to hand him over and then pack your bags.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Oh! poor Brits even Ecuador is spitting on their face is not depressing...

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • damian

    “Last week the UK observer at OAS Philip Barton denied that the British government was intent or threatening to raid the Ecuadorean embassy.

    Ecuador accepted the UK delegate words as a ‘retraction’ of such a threat, said Patiño.”

    Only in South American could the above first sentence be understood to mean the last.

    Trying to gain short term political points will only come back and hurt Ecuador in the future - They are well out of their depth here but seem unable to recognise it.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Are you saying that the UK has not withdrawn the threat and is still planning to violate the embassy?

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6 I have no idea what the British government plans to do. However, most of the world does not recognise this latino concept of “diplomatic immunity”. And Assange actually requested “political asylum”. So here's a simple scenario. The UK adjudges that Ecuador has exceeded the bounds. Here is a definition of “political asylum”:
    ”Right of asylum (or political asylum, from the Greek: ἄσυλον[1]) is an ancient juridical notion, under which a person persecuted for political opinions or religious beliefs in his or her own country may be protected by another sovereign authority,” Assange isn't being persecuted in his own country for his political opinions or religious beliefs. His own country is Australia. He is, however, subject to judicial process wherever he goes. Thus, Sweden wants him (and they are welcome) for an internal domestic judicial process that is not political. Britain is trying to return him to Sweden so that that process can take place. Ecuador has interfered in that and is thus well beyond acceptable diplomatic behaviour. Britain could simply expel the Ecuadorian embassy. Note that an embassy is people, not a place. With no Ecuadorian diplomatic personnel in the UK, the Ecuadorian chancery would simply revert to its normal status of being a flat in London. No reason why British police cannot enter it. As a matter of fact, Assange might get to add trespass to his charge sheet. No question of “violating” an “embassy” then, is there? Of course, it might be several years before Ecuador was allowed to have an embassy to the UK again! Alternatively, Ecuador could just hand him over.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    Rapist is still going to sweden regardless of ecuadors grand standing, Uk has done nothing wrong we will just wait for rapist to need urgent hospital treatment, or theres a fire, then we will see rapists determination to stay in the embassy, lets face it, thats as close as he will ever get to ecuador. its a waiting game and we have all the time in the world, what can ecuador do? i dont think ecuadors has mastered the art of teleportation just yet.

    Status Quo: House arrest pending trial.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    There is no way to negotiate out of this impasse. Neither side is going to change their position. Assange can stay in the embassy for as long as he likes. He's choosing his own sentence for a crime he's not even been charged with - let alone convicted.

    This nonsense about extradition to the USA is just that - nonsense. He's been to the UK and Sweden numerous times without these worries and then all of a sudden he's frantically worried about extradition to the USA when the Swedes accuse him of rape. It makes no logical sense at all - especially when it's easier for the USA to extradite him from the UK in the first place. The only logical conclusion to be drawn is that he's using the Wilileaks saga as a smokescreen to avoid rape charges in Sweden.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    4 - ecuador is show boating...nothing has changed, they are still protecting the Rapist and he will still be arrested when he leaves the embassy. When this is all over Ecuador will return to being an oscure un important country, pretty similar to Argentina.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia Assange has requested, and has been granted, political asylum. That being the case what the UK adjudges is irrelevant.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #9 There is a way out - Sweeden can guarantee they won't send him on to the USA, simples!

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • damian

    5 - No, I'm saying that there was no threat made. As indicated by the UK observer at OAS Philip Barton who 'denied that the British government was intent or threatening to raid the Ecuadorean embassy'.

    This was then intepreted by Ecuador as the 'threat' being withdrawn. This is simply Ecuador twisting a statement to back down and not loose face. Something the UK government are happy to have happen in the hope talks will proceed.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JUBA

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    Aug 28th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    BK's love for the muppet is legendary.
    We all know he's not British but he always does his homework and he's definitely holding his own.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bryzi

    #11 - Not so as the journey from his flat to the airport is the UK and the majority of countries outside of Latin America do not recognise the concept of diplomatic asylum and are not bound by it in any way.

    So Ecuador can grant what they like but unless the UK let him travel he's going nowhere (unless its Sweden of course). So you see its very much relevant what the UK “adjudges”.

    And now we have an impasse as Ecuador have built this up and therefore put themselves in a position they cannot back away from without looking weak. The UK however will probably not back down either based on the principle that Ecuadors approach to the whole thing has been rude, over the top and not how they like to do diplomacy (i.e. shout louder than your opponent).

    The only out I can see that doesn't involve a break of diplomatic relations between UK/Ecuador is the assurance that he wont be extradited to Sweden. However, I have to ask the question... what makes Mr Assange so special that he should be granted such state level promises? The case against him is pretty flimsy so he should just go and defend himself rather than consider himself above the law.

    Also, something I've been struggling to get and maybe someone can help me here is why would it be easier to extradite him from Sweden to the US? Whats the point of that?

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    14 JUBA

    Um - er - did anyone understand a word of that?

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    I think he's trying to sell something.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR


    How would that solve anything? If he don't trust Swedish law why would he trust a guarantee from Swedish politicians - whom he accuses of conspiring against him?

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bryzi

    #17 - Its the twisted brain-wrong of a one-off man-mental

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    @4 really! how are ecuador spitting on uk faces? it was ecuador who hastely back tracked on the oas statement as they had made a false allegation, not a good way to start talks Turd-Berger is it?

    @11 really! political asylum does not grant you immunity to arrest on british soil of a crime. so how is ecuador getting him to the banana republic?? in small pieces?? that suits me :)

    @12 who said hes going to usa, thats none of UKs concern? as far as UK is concerned hes wanted in sweden over rape allegations, regardless of ecuadors amusing squeels, end of.

    @14 Juba is that your educated contribution, or just another compulsive LATAM inbred blurt?? its difficult to tell the difference!

    @16 Agreed! i hope ecuador is setting its own standard for all foreign criminals abroad regardless of the crimes or the criminal as they dont even recognize the most hanus of criminal acts. so ALL foreign criminals quickly go to your nearest Ecuador embassy and ask for asylum, unless your of high profile i dont fancy your chances and theres is also the difficulty of reaching the airport from the embassy. :)))) check!

    @17 No, and neither did The racist JUBA, no doubt a side effect of rampant Inbreeding and years of masturbating in infected animals.
    Hes the reason why i dont buy corned beef from Argentina!

    & SELF-DETERMINATION! (to whom its irritates) :)))

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @21 PirateLove Actually I'd rather have no Royal Family, and want our own crown jewels returned. She doesn't really do anything, well not for our country, apart from bringing in some tourism in England.
    @17 Idlehands Most Western countries are the 'puppets' of the US government because behind the scenes, the make simple economic threats against them if they don't initially agree with what they are doing. Anyone who disagrees with this is blind from the truth.
    As to regards with Assange, he's not a rapist, and far from it.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • damian

    12 - It's not the UK, Sweden or USA that need to find a way out. They can maintain the status quo and have him sitting in there for as long as it takes. Meanwhile Ecuador will be feeling the pressure with the weight of the US, UK, EU,and Swedish piling on the pressure behind the scenes.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    @22 thats your choice, from an anti-west troll i wouldnt expect any different.
    you have proof of your fantasized allegations of economic threats, troll? i would like to see that, or is this your bedtime conspiracy theory?
    assnage not a rapist, how would you know this? was you there?, one thing thats 100% fact he is accused of rape, sorry thats the truth!
    anybody can make a username stating a false persona, i would of thought “THETit” would have been more accurate. :)

    @23 Ecuador have now got themselves into a rut with no chance of saving face, Thats what happens when inbreds run tinpot south american countries and try to mix it with the big boys.
    but hey, ITS ALL GOOD!!!!

    & SELF-DETERMINATION! (this is for you “THEBrit”) :)))

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @11 You can't read, can you? On what basis has Ecuador granted “political asylum”? Not on any basis recognised by the majority of the world. Let's just see whether the UK does the sensible thing and expel the Ecuadorians. At which point Assange will have no “protection” at all.
    @16 You should look at European-wide policy not to extradite where the criminal may be subject to the dealth penalty. However, since Ecuador clearly doesn't understand its immunities and privileges, or how it has stepped beyond the bounds of acceptable diplomatic behaviour, I assume that neither Sweden nor the UK is prepared to mention that. So Assange can stay there indefinitely. I wonder what his diet is like? The only food mentioned so far is take-away pizza. How long before he starts suffering from scurvy?

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @24 PirateLove Actually I'm from Falkirk, and if I was an anti-west troll, I wouldn't want to be living in the West. I'm an anti-corruption and anti-corporation-led government sort of person, who hates it when the less powerful group of people are having a lot of their wealth taken away from them (like tribal people who get their land and homes destroyed on a daily basis by loggers who are financed by the US and many other governments). And I don't need proof, because anyone with half a brain and common sense that the US has done that on many occasions. Your nick must be 'wanker' for hating a whole continent of people, most of whom are most certainly nice and caring, not the stupid scum that most posters make them out to be. Now just understand the fact that most of the well-known wars are caused by the US government and their greed, and the other 'puppets' that follow suit.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    the beauty is this is effectively house arrest for the rapist, me id rather bite the bullet rather sooner than later than waste years of my life surrounded by overpleasing ecuadorians wanking over their self importance, eating repeatative takeaways and sleepless nights wondering how to teleport to ecuador.
    nobody is going to come to the sex offenders rescue in the 11th hour in shining armour to make this go away for the rapist he has crimes to answer to, and he will eventually unconditionally go to sweden to face trial for sexual offences. I dont believe sweden will take the time he spent in the embassy off any sentence he may receive. wether he goes to US after i couldnt care less, rapists in prison have a short shelf life, there are rape victims that will need closure.

    Im just waiting for the The Hague bleeding hearts to play the Human rights card and how rapists mental and physical health is suffering!

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @27 PirateLove This is very interesting, and could possibly undermine one of the so called victim's case. Have a read, then maybe you'll stop calling him a rapist, when there is little proof of it. And don't say that we don't know most of the actual evidence, because the women have revealed a lot of it through the Swedish media. Have a rake through the internet, and you'll eventually find it all.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    As I recall, these alligations about rape / serious sexual assault / molesting small furry animals were only lodged AFTER he leaked those documents..............

    So this IS a Witch hunt after all.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    THEBrit - I like your style - claim you don't need proof for anything (several times) then make up wild allegations and disparage anyone that doesn't agree with them.

    However when it comes to Assange you complain about the lack of proof.

    The bottom line is you don't know what goes on behind the scenes diplomatically and you don't know what the evidence is against Assange either.

    NB If you “rake through” the internet enough you'll find evidence that we're all governed by lizard men and the moon is made of cheese. Try a bit of objectivity rather than choosing to believe what you want to be true.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    @26 “Most Western countries are the 'puppets' of the US government”, i spy with my little eye anti-west bullshit, wether you live in scotland or not.
    “And I don't need proof”, strange way to back your claim of the rapist being innocent, dont think that will stand in court somehow.
    “Your nick must be 'wanker'” , why Thank you, coming from an anti-west inbred troll, i will take that as a compliment.
    “Now just understand the fact that most of the well-known wars are caused by the US government and their greed, and the other 'puppets' that follow suit.”,
    and you have proof to back this, Ahh thats right YOU dont need any, wait! is this you assmange you rapist??

    @27 Its a picture, but let me ask you does this prove he didnt rape her?
    do you realize how many women are in relationships where rape is the norm, and its only after the relationship has ended they see the truth, nice picture but this does not prove anything let alone his innocense, maybe if he is so confident he should stand trial with that photo in his hand, whats he waiting for??

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    “Ecuador, boosted by Latam support ready to resume talks with UK on the Assange case”! Ha! Ha! Just what did the Latin support amount to except for some hot air from ALBA. They all, with notable exceptions, couldn't recognise the difference between a “threat” and an “advice” of the existence of legislation in the UK concerning th use of Embassy premises by criminal elements.

    The other problem for Ecuador, of course, is that they have given Assange “diplomatic asylum” which is not recognised outside Latin America.

    I think Correa has realised he is on a hiding to nothing and that he must now be more mature and deal with the matter with diplomacy and not by accusations.

    He and his crony, Patiño, really must grow up and learn how to get respect.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @30 It's not wild allegations. I'll give you one example, although it's from the 1960s. As you may know the UK was under heavy debt to the US at the time, and was involved in a conflict called the Suez war. The US government financially threatened us, and we had no choice but to stop. It is probable that the US government still does this with countries around the world, as they want to spread capitalism, and reduce any threats to their views, which is out of greed.
    @31 PirateLove As for the 'don't need proof' part, that has nothing to do with Assange as I was talking about the US. Read more carefully next time. And yes like I said, most educated people know that the US has a lot of control over several countries, and they are like puppets. The US loves to invade countries just because they have something that the government wants, or has ideologies that oppose their own. Example- Vietnam, where the US occupied the country with 400,000 soldiers to 'combat increasing influences of communism in the region'. If the US can do that, then it would also be okay for Russia to invade Canada because they are capitalist. It's stupid. The US has no right to kill millions of people just because there is a different approach to life from theirs. Both communism and capitalism have many faults, therefore they have no reason to say that either one is worse. In fact, both have many good points to them, like in communism the idea is that every person is equal, and in capitalism is that people can compete with each other for jobs and business. I think it would benefit the world if we could somehow merge some of the ideas out of both of them, and could be better than either one by themselves.
    I never said that the picture proved it didn't rape her, but could possibly undermine her case. I've said plenty of times that we will never know the EXACT truth, but can have indications that it may be false. I am just on the side that thinks he's right. We should respect each others views.I will

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @22 Hello Scottish Nationalist. You do know why Scotland joined with England, I suppose? The well-known Darien Disaster. Whereby the Kingdom of Scotland attempted to become a world trading nation by establishing a colony called “Caledonia” on the Isthmus of Panama in the 1690s. It was approached in typical Scottish fashion with poor planning and provision, and weak leadership. It was then beset by a lack of demand for trade goods, devastating epidemics of disease and increasing shortage of food. As a result, Scotland effectively became broke. Some of the Scots nobility then petitioned Westminster to wipe out the Scottish national debt and stabilise the currency. When this was eventually answered, the Scottish Pound was given the value of one English shilling. Scotland realised that it couldn't get anywhere without England. Thus the 1707 Acts of Union. The question is: what will Scotland do in 2014? Vote for independence? And go down the tubes again? Scotland really should be more grateful. I see that you espouse the view that everything is the fault of the Americans. That makes you sound pretty argieish. Would you like to add the English? As to Assange, where's your proof?
    @26 Are you old enough to be on here? Perhaps you don't remember the tens of thousands of argies celebrating in the streets when they thought they were “winning” in '82, killing British, including Scottish, servicemen in support of an illegal invasion based on a lie.
    @28 And I saw your Daily Mail photo. Can you point to where the date and time is shown on the print? Incidentally, when did you become a judge and jury? Or is that another quirk of the Scottish legal system? But at least we can agree that when a big, corrupt, greedy, lying, thieving place like argieland tries to steal the land and resources of a little place like the Falklands, the argies have to be fought and beaten! Again!
    @33 How easy you are to fool! So why is he running? And don't bother with the U.S. excuse.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    34 Conqueror

    That's dead easy to answer, The US has never let something as trivial as innocense get in the way of their political.... sorry, their justice system. He's better off out of that sh*t. I mean, when OJ simpson can get away with murder, and I mean “get away” with murder. What chance does JA have?

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    @33 most educated people would not let themselves be brainwashed into issues they have no knowledge or proof of and rely on conspiracies as their knowledge. I just like you and many others only know what we are told i do not waste my time in chasing multiple conspiracies that has zero proof to, in an attempt to make sense of what isnt there, until there is solid proof they will always remain just views to be respected and to be disputed.

    @34 do i get this right?,you are classing one case on the whole of the US justice system? im sorry, nobody is that narrow minded.
    A White man uses a sports car as a getaway vehicle after a armed robbery, tell me does that make all sports car owners armed robbers or just white drivers? thats your logic, or would you say that the more rational approach is that there is odd cases in ALL countries that their justice system occasionally makes terrible mistakes? I would

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    The Suez crisis was in the 50's but don't let an incident nearly 60 years ago spoil a good argument. It wasn't just the USA putting on the pressure either - the UK France and Israel were alone in that crisis. Is that really the best example you could come up with? Elizabeth I was known for economic pressure on Spain so maybe we're just as guilty

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    typo error! my last comment was for 33 & 35 not 34. :) sorry 34 i was being side tracked with big brother and the promise of beef chow mein.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    37... But it was US pressure in suez, they didn't want Uk or France to act independently and exert power, after the war was the US role no more British Empire, the new age of US world domination was upon us.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEMan

    @Conquerer that was the 1600s, where the people had no control over anything to do with the finances of the SG. Also, it was said that 3/4 of the citizens didn't want to join the Union, but had little choice because of poor choices made by businessmen and politicians. Anyway, that's not the point. The point is that Scotland, from 1707 to 1997 had almost zero control over itself, and was controlled by the English. That's where a lot of anti-English sentiment comes from: the fact that for the last several centuries, the English has always tried to take over Scotland, and we were enemies. Now we are not as much enemies, but there clearly is still some level of friction towards each other, obviously. During the 80s, the UK(English) government destroyed the once thriving mining industry, which still affects us to this day, because if they were still open, the whole country, including your own(as she closed a lot of your mines too), would be richer and we would be better off. That's another reason why Scots want independence: we hate the fact that we have to choose between 3 parties that don't understand us, or what we want or need. If we have our own government, we have control over our whole country, resources and infrastructure, and can develop in our own way. But, we can also still have very good relationships with the rest of the UK, as we will have lots of trade between us.
    Also, you say that Scotland should be more grateful: well thanks, never said we weren't, but your country would be kind of fucked too if it wasn't for our help too. WE HELPED EACH OTHER, not just England helping us. So maybe you guys should be thankful too that we helped your country develop into what it is today. I don't agree at all with your comment that we can't survive on our own: trust me, we'll get there. And we'll still help England too, since you're pretty cool. Just understand that I, and many Scots, hate the English controlled government, as they don't represent our views at all.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @36 PirateLove I'll say again. The US DOES bully countries that don't agree with them. That's a well known fact. Look up on the internet at the countless list of places and events that they were involved in that invloves this 'practice'. I'm not against the US citizens, but against their governments for being driven by greed, and taking advantage of many third-world countries that deserve more. I hate seeing countries struggle because of that.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PirateLove

    @41 say it as many times as you like unless you have proof it is just your speculation and nothing more and im respecting that, but if your talking about influence then yes the west along with russia china iran are all active in seeking to be more influential than its competitors its nothing new its just business, as for most 3rd world countries there problems stem with their own governments corruption and mismangement, but you can always jump on the “US hate train” if that makes your world a better place then thats your choice, but dont expect others to fall for the same old unfounded tiresome brainwashed anti-west dribble.
    But i know where your coming from with 3rd world countries and its always the children that suffer the most, but to put hate solely on the US when the world as a whole has responsibility and has so much money is just wrong, there are hardships in some 3rd world countries where money isnt the cure but is the root problem.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    PirateLove The civilians are the West, not the government, and I'm against the government, not the people. Therefore, I'm not anti-west. I don't hate the US at all either, just a lot of their greedy corporations and politicians, e.g Mitt 'the Mormon' Romney. I just don't like our current governments, and the corruption in it. And I understand where you're coming from with the last part, there are other players who do the same stuff, so I'll try not solely blame the US.

    Aug 28th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Are you sure guys that JA is being prosecuted by rape and not for having bad taste?

    Bloody ‘ell

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @40 Well, good luck, Scottish Nationalist. I do hope that you understand the ramifications of what you are doing. For a start, the border between Scotland and the rest of the UK will CLOSE. Scotland will not be an EU member. That will take a MINIMUM of 2 years. Provided that Scotland can satisfy the criteria for membership. I reckon the EU will be a little jittery about the criteria. So don't go expecting any aid from the EU for a while. And don't believe fish-face on Scotland being a “successor state”. You could look it up. Any rights, benefits etc for a “successor state” depend on them being given by the “prior state”. So Scotland won't be getting any of the “benefits” in the EU that the UK has. International law is quite clear. And you'll be joining the eurozone and using the euro as well. That's part of the Lisbon Treaty. You need to stop listening to Salmond and look around. Just how many of your industrial jobs actually depend on England? Virtually everything in shipbuilding for a start. Then you can add in the ones based on defence. Either they are English and will move. Or they won't be getting any English/UK defence contracts. That's already been made quite clear. Obviously, Scots won't have the “right” to live or work in England/UK because you will be non-EU. It's even possible that by the time you get joined up, we'll be out. So think carefully, Jock. Life under King Alex will not be a happy time. Why do you think so many English people are so happy about the thought of Scotland going? Maybe, given the ethnic angle, perhaps you could have all the Irish travellers as well!

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  • Captain Poppy

    I fail to see what there is to negotiate about where is psoition is know. ecuador wishes to protect a potentional rapist and obstruct an investigation based on what “could” happen. And Britain is going to extradict him based on international law.
    WHy does ecuador need all of latin american to voice a formal statement of support. Do they not have the mental fortitude to deal with Great Britain? OAS needs to get out of my country and go back to being the pan american union. It's about as useful as the UN and serves n purpose other than a platform for the southern hemispheric socialist.

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @45 Conquerer I personally wouldn't want to join the EU, although it does bring some benefits. One reason is that if we were not a member, we would have more control over our fishing quotas, and not have to follow ridiculous EU guidelines that hurts our economy. If we stay out of the EU, we would probably be at least several hundred million pounds better off as we would be in control. Another reason is that I don't like the idea of the decreased restrictions on EU borders, and allowing thousands of foreign nationals take up our university places for free, and take up many jobs that should go to 16-24 year olds. It's because of this, a lackluster Border Agency, and poor government decisions that means the people all over the UK, not just Scotland, can't get jobs because of foreigners taking them all. Also, I don't like the idea of many foreign nationals using our health service for free. I would like to see some restrictions enforced, to protect the original inhabitants' rights, and our economy. Also you mention the defence contracts, which are run at the Clyde by BAE Systems. I've read a report that says that Scotland will lose billions of pounds because of this. Well, I should let you know that Scotland could easily replace the contracts with other ventures, e.g. build ships for other countries that would be interested in having one of the best engineering countries in the world (something that England isn't), do it for them. Also, Scotland doesn't get the £10 billion for the ships- BAE does. We would get at the most about £3 billion. Did you forget that we are already in the process of building the aircraft carriers, and some of the destroyers. The UK government would have little choice but to let us finish them off, otherwise they would lose a lot more than £10 billion. And the shipyards in the North are nothing compared to what we have. We don't need any more contracts from the MoD anyway. Also, the shipyards in England are in the same state as Scotland........

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEMan

    Why do you think the majority of us will in due time vote to leave the UK. Because of the English ideology that they own Scotland, and we'd be nothing without them. Well I say who the fuck do they think they are? We've got our own identity, and want to be a separate nation. I don't give a fuck if we're 'worse off' like the ultra Unionists claim we'll be, as long as we're independent. We're sick and tired of being owned by the English controlled government, and want out.

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    And if you think that we can't afford our own way, then think again. Here's a link for some evidence.

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • cLOHO

    48 & 49 Shame the rest of Scotland doesn't agree with your minority views. and the rest of the Uk as the polls have showed couldn't give a monkeys if they did leave and are in fact in favour. so let's leave it to the vote shall we, that's what we do in the uK (thought I would explain that to you as very much doubt you are scottish)

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • THEBrit

    @50 shame most of the polls were conducted by the UK government, or English news sites, so you are 75% talking bullshit. The majority of the country is run by the SNP- we hate the UK government- we'll vote for independence, and there's nothing else to it. We'll get it for sure.

    Aug 29th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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