MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands claim Argentina wants to decimate Illex fishery: “environmental terrorism”
Argentina has no interest whatsoever in fisheries conservation, Chair of the Falkland Islands Fishing Companies Association (FIFCA) Cheryl Roberts stated this week, and Director of Natural Resources John Barton believes an Argentine action aimed at undermining the Falklands fishery is likely to have a negative impact on their own fishery. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd what's your problem, Mrs. Roberts? I thought you didn't need to work with Argentina in anything whatsoever, so what is you rant about “working with such neighbors”. No one is obligating you to work with us. We don't want to work with you, we walked out remember? So you can go on your merry way, you don't have to deal with us at all.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you can't do is force us to surrender our waters to YOUR sovereignty, which is what you want. Sorry.
@1 Tobias
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the Falkland Islands Government have been very willing to cooperate with Argentine on areas of mutual benefit. It's your government Tobias that refuses, and is now acting very irresponsibly, not only to the environment but to the future of Argentina.
Tell me, Tobias, if all the fish are gone, just what will all those people who rely on the fish for their livelihoods do? Starve?
Less fish will have an economic impact on Argentina and the Falklands. But that's what your president wants, to try and bankrupt the Falklands. But it really is a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face in this case.
The sooner these corrupt politicians are out of power the better, especially for Argentina.
Oh and as ever your posts are just bigoted rants, smacking of desperation. Since when have the Falklands ever wanted anything Argentine?
The fishing industry is such a tiny proportion of our GDP that we can toss it to he!! if we want to, won't make a dent in the economy.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Realistically, I don't like the idea of putting any innocent creature at risk for human pettyness. However, the Falklanders hunted a mammal to extinction so I immediately discard to the trash any indignation they may have on the environment.
“Since when have the Falklands wanted anything Argentine?”
Then don't ask for OUR cooperation??? Argentine cooperation is ARGENTINE! Make up your mind for hecks sake.
Too late .... and not likely to work anyway. The Falklands look as though they'll have an oil industry to compensate, and the 20 jiggers won't stay a moment longer than concluding that there aren't enough squid to make money out of.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good, I don't like people to be harmed by petty politics. However, you still won't have ever get Argentina back to negotioate neither with the FI or the UK. So stop making ill-advised comments on INTERNAL argentine matters.
Klondyke fishing just results in ghost towns sooner rather than later.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0It won't be the first country in the world to lose its fishing industry, and it will be only one of the industries that disappears in Argentina through a cavalier approach to resource husbandry.
If there are two countries that bound this particular spectrum, one is Norway (which is a paragon of virtue in this respect) and at the other end is Argentina (which is a true pariah).
You mean Norway, as in the Whale assasins? Paragons indeed.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really, you all saying Argentina is the worst and most evil force in eveything is so boring... don't you all have another boogeyman to blame for your miserable state as a country?
Don't think anyone is blaming Argentina for anything going on in the UK. In that respect it is irrelevant. Seems to be a case of an Argentine projecting their own situation on to others there.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are part of the UK, as such they are *again* bleating (pun intended) about some neighbors they even often deny exist at all, and about some problems that don't even exist yet.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the height of self-wallowing.
@1
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm going to agree with the Troll here. Why the hell should anybody expect Argentina to respect agreements or behave in a responsible manner?
Waging war on squids now?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well I suppose it is safer than waging war on the British, the squids don't have SSNs.
The Falklands are not part of the UK
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are acting responsibly, we refuse to hand sovereingty of our waters to a bunch of parochials.
@12
Except that they are, once the UK requested they be included in the EU recognition, they become UK territory since otherwise they could not be part of any EU recognition.
@ Truth_Telling_Troll
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 1: Just what the hell are you smoking mate? Where in this article leads you to the conclusion that the FI government wants to establish their sovereignty in Argentine waters? And the FI government doesn't NEED to work with Argentina, but they would like to (as decent neighbours) in order to prevent Argentina from permanently bollocking the environment.
# 5: You can hardly claim this as internal Argentine matters when it's clearly designed to put pressure on and/or destroy the Falkland Island fishing industry you twat!
# 9: When has the Falkland Islands denied the existence of Argentina? And they are quite right to be complaining about Argentina's actions now, because hopefully something can be done to prevent this problem from developing into, at best, eco-terrorism on a peaceful islands population or, at worst, one of the worst examples of human kind bollocking the environment.
Kindly take you head out of the paint can before issuing a reply.
@14
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0But they are saying it won't destroy their fisheries. If that is the case, then what do they care what we do in our waters? The only remaining option is, they wan't to steal territory from us, via the UK. That's why they wanted us to sign fishing treaties, so that a violation of such treaty would trigger UK intervention and (as I've said before), begin laying the case for grabbing Argentine territory in 50-100 years. That has been the UK modus operandi to grab places like Gibraltar, Hong Kong, Bermuda, and the like... slowly and insidiously encroach in other countries, make them legally binding to something and before you know it, a new British protectorate emerges.
But we were smart and walked out before any real treaty was signed.
The Falklands are not part of the UK no matter how many times you choose to repeat that they are. Having said that I'd be perfectly happy for them to become part of the UK.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Truth_Telling_Troll #15
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure what anti paranoia medications your doctor has prescribed, but you should really start taking them again. Unless someone jumps through my window screaming 'booga booga booga' your post #15 is the most absurd, paranoid, retarded and Argentine thing I have read or heard this past month.
And you're dead wrong about the Falkland Islanders saying the Argentine eco-terrorism won't harm them. They are saying they have no idea what impact it will have, and by the time they do, it will probably be too late, courtesy of the fascist and colonialist policies of Argentina.
@15
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's another case where the intent is more important than the consequence. Or to put it another way, the problem is not that Argentina's grossly irresponsible scheme won't work, the problem is that Argentina conceived and enacted the grossly irresponsible scheme in the first place.
As for the rest, you are still labouring about 300 years behind the times, and are rather overestimating the role of fish in the UK's acquisition of Hong Kong, Gibraltar, and Bermuda.
Fine, but distrusting the UK or any European nation given their histories is not paranoia, is common sense, and my position stands because the only opinion that matters in Argentina is that of Argentines. What we think of you is all that matters to us, since that is what makes our opinion.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Truth_Telling_Troll #19
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Saying that it's 'common sense' to distrust the UK and Europe because of their histories would be like me saying it's 'common sense' for Britain to carry out numerous anti shipping strikes against these jiggers given Argentina's history of aggression to their neighbours, both Falkland Island and South American.
And given the way Argentina's economy is heading and their standing in the eyes of the world, they'd probably be best to lose the arrogance and start taking notice of other nations opinions of Argentina.
We don't care about our standing, nothing we could do would ever be welcome by any of you, you dislike Argentina, and we've finally learned to just accept it and be nasty to you all. Nothing personal, just retribution.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Truth_Telling_Troll #21
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, you're saying that Argentina as a nation is acting like a petulant child playing the part of the victim when it's all those around Argentina that are the legitimate victims?
My advice would be, using the popular Aussie saying, take a teaspoon of concrete and harden the f@#k up!
There's another saying, agree to disagree. I repeat, you will never like Argentina, you will never want to be our friends, so no matter what we do, we won't satisfy you. So may we at least do what is in our interests even if it means violating every single treaty with everyone and getting all countries mad at us at the same time. I think we've proven we are capable of making it clear we don't follow the rules imposed by the Europeans or Americans on this world.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ Truth_Telling_Troll #23
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0...You do realise that the Falkland Islands, the UK, Europe and the rest of the world would be all too happy to have decent, productive relations with Argentina. The world does not hate Argentina for the sake of hate. The world currently dislikes Argentina because the current government is so bat sh!t insane and irresponsible that not only are they pissing in their own coffee, but the coffee of everyone else.
I can't see how performing eco-terrorism against the Falkland Islands with the intent on disrupting/destroying their fishing industry is in the interest of Argentina, unless they want the world to vilify them.
I don't aprove to it on the face of it, but the arrogance of the FIslanders makes me sometimes stop disaproving it.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has reached the 'pity poor me' stage
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina stopped badgering everyone about the Falklands I doubt the UK would have any problems with Argentina.
What is the point in arguing with someone that wants to put a wall around their country and ignore the rest of the world. Just for the record Argentina has already violated the fisheries treaty and Britian didn't invade mr paranoia. You are completly right in one instance we did drive a species to extinction, it's called learning from your mistakes.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor TTT, no one likes your lovely Argentina.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I doubt anyone have anything against Argentina on principle. What bothers most is Argentina's anti-social behavior, such as this latest idea of chopping down the apple tree rather than having the occasional apple fall in the neighbor's yard. Combined with the belligerent and incoherent rants as well as outright lies flowing in an endless stream from BA it makes Argentina under it's current regime hard to like.
@ Truth_Telling_Troll #25
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What arrogance are the Falkland Islanders displaying? Is the definition of 'arrogance' having concerns for the future of your fishing industry and maintaining your right to self determination? Is it arrogant to be critical of yet another hostile act directed against them by a larger nation? Where is this alleged Falkland Islander arrogance?
What mammal did you destroy? Was that the wolf story?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0This one it seems:
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_wolf
@19 Is that the royal 'we'? Once again you presume to speak for a nation. Somewhat precocious for a student.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias, grow up for heavens sake, use your inept brain for once. Starting the fishing season early means that the catches dont have enough time to respawn. Which means lesser numbers the following year. Add to that FACT, Argentina plans to add an additional 20 Jiggers, all fishing early, what do you think the end resuly will be??
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats right extincion. Do you understand that simple premis?? total twat you are. Always going on about how Argentina this and that. Crying like a petulant child whos lost his favorite teddy bear. Readying your comments just makes me mad with rage. Do us a favour, invade the falklands, then we can finish the job off once and for all.
Face facts, this is a stupid decision. I seriously hope greenpeace get involved and sink your Jiggers. Cause we know an internet warrior like yourself is a nothing in real life.
@33 Don't get mad. TTT is a student with a huge chip on his shoulder and no life experience. He is not in any way representative of the majority of Argentines, just the minority of malcontents.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only mystery about TTT is why such a seemingly articulate chap could be so brainwashed.
I think this one should be argued.... though not with that wee boy
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Preserve fishing stocks and stop cutting down the trees you morons
23 Truth_Telling_Troll
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is this 'we'? You don't speak for the rest of your contry, you arrogant little toad.
Your country contains many decent thoughtful people, including fisheries scientists, environmental scientists, fishermen and their families, who want to live their lives and pursue their careers according to the standards agreed by the rest of their peers around the world. Yes agreed, not imposed.
Don't imagine that everyone has got the same enormous chip on their shoulder that you do, because they don't. You might want to see your country turn into a SA version of North Korea, but not everyone in Argentina shares that ambition.
FIG should certainly take the Piratas Argentinas bio terrorists to the UN:
Aug 31st, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.unep-wcmc.org/high-seas_403.html
sorry but selling licenses over 25 years is a great deal of overfishing......
Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and second environmental terrorism....for 20 jiggers
environmental terrorism is and will be their ambition of becoming rich with oil extraction and all the “loteo” and harm made on the sea to look, search and extract oil, even on limits far away te EEZ, that affects very hardly the sea, not only the illex argentnius, all the spectrum of fish. Go and search.
38 malen
Aug 31st, 2012 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The fishery is still closed for conservation reasons if conditions dictate. The length of the license makes no difference at all.
Malen continues to lower the intellectual bar. It is an impressive feat to carry this out on such a consistent basis.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd love to hear Malen explain the logic behind how granting 25 year licenses can be deemed as overfishing. He seems to have got his propaganda mixed up. Argentina resents the licenses because they believe they should be the ones to issue them.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly as Argentines complain about the theft of their natural resources one can assume that they would push to extract it if they gained sovereignty over the Falklands. They are currently moving into oil recovery from shale which is by far the most environmentally damaging form of oil production at the moment.
Kretina's policies on high seas fishing have already destroyed the hake (merluza) stocks in the Brasil, Uruguay, Argentina and Falkland waters, and now she is intent on destroying the Illex stocks.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT seems to be happy at this environmental disaster, obviously it doesn't affect him in his mendocino paradise, but there are something in the region of 35.000 famillies along the coast that totally depend on fishing for their livelihood, that isabout 140.000 people facing unemployment and total poverty, all because of the whim of a bi-polar woman who thinks she is God!!!!
Perhaps Tobias has got a point, we can’t grant them (The Squid) diplomatic asylum and protection from being deported to Gitmo as calamari, in international or Argy waters.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Annex the lot, blame it on someone else, like them.
Jealousy is a green eyed monster called “Argentina”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isnt their UN Human Rights laws about this invoving Economic Interference which in my book argentina has broke many times.
Surely a huge influx of fishing will drive the price of its fish down impacting Argentine exports further, and in the long run depleting the stock, its not even a short term gain, but has long term grave consequences for the Argentines, as I see it, they have more mouths to feed, I guess reliant on US food drops is the great next “K” plan.
@29
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FI officials contradict themselves within the same statement. “It probably won't affect us”, they say, right after they state “Eco-terrorism against the Falklands”.
That's like a terrorist blowing himself up in a mosque and the Jews getting mad at the muslims calling it “anti-semitic terrorism”. WHat?
If Argentina is going to exploit its resources and this won't affect the Falklanders in THEIR words, then they are butting in an internal affair, thus a bit rich on their part after all the hard work they put in to promote self-determination of peoples. I guess they don't want Argentina to exercise it!
@45
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bad analogy. It's more like a terrorist attempting to blow himself up, making a pigs ear of it, and then maintaining that the intended victims have nothing to complain about, since the bomb didn't go off.
@46
Aug 31st, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of the British attitude when one of their invasions (or two) fail.... difference is the Brits actually will claim the invaded would have been better off had they done so.
the powers of self-delusion.
Argentina - Environmental Terrorists. They should now be dealt with as any other nation that sponsors terrorism.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 I'd like to say that you are out of your tiny mind. But I can't. Such an accusation would imply that you have a mind. You don't. Perhaps you could detail how Britain “slowly and insidiously encroached” in order to get Gibraltar. I thought we captured it during the course of a war! Much the same with Hong Kong. Got any other bits of argie revisionist history with which to regale us?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 So now you're going to become pirates? Just make sure you don't paddle over any lines. You may become involuntary submariners!
@23 Oh goody. You're aiming to become international pariahs! At last you are finding your proper place.
@42 What we need is a new bit of technology. For example, a subsurface drifting mine with a built-in technology to recognise non-Falklands vessels. Pull it out of the water and it explodes with sufficient force to sink an aircraft carrier. Or perhaps the same subsurface drifting mine with a trigger that can only be switched off by the correct coded signal!
@45 Have you reached the point in your development where you can understand that what happens in international waters is not “internal”? So you're going for a “Squid War”? How about we equip all Falklands-licensed vessels with a 20-foot steel spike fixed to the bows a foot under the water? Should be quite funny watching your “jiggers” rushing around the ocean trying to stay away! And I understand your fishermen are already saying that they can't afford to sail as far as CFK wants them to. Gonna be a few problems that you can't envisage sitting on your couch!
@47 But just think! If the British invasions had succeeded, you might not have grown up (?) to be such a moronic prat!
@47
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations on your 1806 and 1807 successes. How have you been doing since?
Please note that the only person who I have ever heard claim you would have been better off if the Brits had won, was an Argentine.
@50 HansNiesund
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! kicked the living Sh*t out of the Patagonians, annihilated the Paraguayans and invaded Uruguay a few times.
Currently waging an entirely just war of retribution against Cipayo Squid, who dare swim (unpatriotically) into Falklands waters.
Usual peaceful democratic stuff, unlike the warmongering pirates with their blood soaked history.
47 ... Argentina couldn't of done much worse if they tried. a failing economy, bad debts, inability to even secure handout loans from there old mate germany. with a Gdp of a small state in the Usa?.well done Argentina you have progressed so little
Aug 31st, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47, wow that's something to be proud of isn't it, a single ship attacks, and that is a big win for you. Pathetic.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you, Argentina has done more to damage B.A. than anyone ever thought possible, now Argentina is planning to do the same to fisheries as they have done, and continue to do to B.A.
What a proud puppy you must be.
Managing, or in this case mismanaging, of an international resource is never an exclusively national issue.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50 and 52
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GDP size is very fluctuating, 100 years ago our per capita was higher than all of Europe, so?? Why not take into acount that in 100 years we did more (using your strictly monetary parameters, which is all anglos care about, money), than Europe did in 2000 years.... pretty embarrasing isn't it.
We are only 200, give us time. We still havre 800 years to be judged on the same parameters as any EU nation.
Small USA state? Unless you are calling Pennylvania or Ohio small states, heck they mut be bigger territorially than your whole island I'm sure? Bigger GDP than 45 of their states and supposedly we are MISSmanaging things, and they have done everything right... imagine when we do things “right” (isolationism), and they keep sliding...
And again, we are only 2oo. You are at least 1000 years old and it took you the better part of 800 years of those to even achieve “civilized” status, and the last 50 to achieve “non-pirate” status.
55 TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remind me, I can't remember. What do you think about Europeans?
Chuckle chuckle.
@56
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some growing up would be in order. And a good slice of humble pie. The problem is really not that complicated, it's just the Europeans don't have the wil to take the medicine and when that is the case even a scratch can be fatal.
TWIMC
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look who’s talking about “Environmental Terrorism”
Three thousand (3,000) squatters licensing yearly the extraction of more fish from the South Atlantic than the entire Argentinean fishing fleet catches to feed a country of forty million (40,000,000) people……
The spirit of Henry VIII lives well in them Islands.....
Greedy glutton squatting pirates......
58... Shows how inefficient the RG fishing fleet is, can't fish for toffee.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cut and paste not working to well TTT or Think or Fake Aussie, who will you be next????
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An alternative way of looking at it woud be that you've had 200 years to apply everything your forebears had learned in the previous millenia, and still you mess up. Your GDP was at one point equivalent to that of the US. How many more centuries do you think you're going to need?
And do let us know when you've achieved civilized status, as measured by respect of the agreements you've freely entered into, and generalised repudiation of the flying nun method of managing political dissent.
@61
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cloho seems really upset, Argentina gets under his skin. Or maybe his failing country is. :)
TWIMC
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll reformulate my question.....
Who are “Environmental Terrorists”???
Three thousand (3,000) squatters licensing (to third, Extra Regional, Countries) yearly the extraction of ~400,000,000 tons of fish from the South Atlantic....???
Or
Forty million (40,000,000) Argentineans extracting yearly ~400,000,000 tons of fish from the South Atlantic ...???
The spirit of Henry VIII truly lives well in them Islands.....
Greedy glutton squatting pirates......
To be fair, Argentines don't eat much fish.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm engaging in four arguments at the same time plus studying, and I still have no problem handling the people here with my supreme IQ.
@65
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the answer to that would be, those who have no interest in sustaining the catch.
@66
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh what a clever little boy you are!
Think - thanks youir excellent figures- they clearly indicate evidence that One small country has an efficient, well managed and sustainable fishery.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The other much larger country?..........
You are welcome. Usufruct my presence, by all authorized means.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a legend in your own mind fella. I bet you even suck your own dick and say how “big” you are. :-)
@71
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's with the Brits and constant intimations of same sex behavior?
@66
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, look! TTT has a supreme Illex Quota! At last his dream of a fish stall in the market is about to come true!
Beats your Idiot Quota fo sure.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmhaahahaha.... i'm on a roll.
@72 TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were no words of intimidation in my post and moreover there were no homophobic accusations. I merely implied that you are madly in love with yourself.
Why would one need to brag how clever he or she is?
Actions speak louder than words, you get my drift?
@75
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Intimation”...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intimation
I teach English as a first language while it being my 2nd or 3rd language.
(76) Truth_Telling_Troll
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monolingual turnip poster at (75) certainly picked a more than appropriate nick....
77... My god you changed login quick TTT or are you both in the same bed sit. a superior intellect and IQ TTT , why do you spend all day and night on this little website???? This is your job!! People that constantly boast about supposed intellect generally are not that bright.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm here all day... before the last couple of days I hadn't been here in two weeks.
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a thing called having a furlow college day. I turned in my paper after working on it two weeks, and went home. Enjoying a long weekend.
@76
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0> I teach English as a first language while it being my 2nd or 3rd language.
That's rather a shame for your students, for they will end up sounding like something out of Dickens. If I were you, I'd stick to the fish stall, before you get sued.
@76 TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies...scan reading on a device with a tiny screen caught me out. :-/. I don't care about your sexual preference .... Heterosexual, homosexual, monosexual ( you), I was pointing out your love for yourself.
Some of the smartest, and toughest blokes I have known, never brag how good they are or were. Like I said... Actions speak louder than words.
“something out of dickens”
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here we go again with the male priapic intimations!!
@82
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, nice try, but there is no colloquial expression linking author and genitals.
Had I meant to refer to your dick, I would have said so, or thought of a midget, maybe.
Your imagination running wild now Hans. You have a microphilia fetish?
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“priapic”. Eh?
You have real issues.
@85
Aug 31st, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not me with a bizarre mental image of another person on this forum!
@65
Aug 31st, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do realize that they don't actually eat all that fish?
can we please take it as read. TIT, Tobias and Think are the same person. Why oh why he would spend all day and night on this site is beyond me.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take a break man, go out and enjoy life, meet a nice girl (Or man if you wish) and have fun for once.
@66
Sep 01st, 2012 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I still have no problem handling the people here with my supreme IQ.”
ROFL
Think - the inefficiency of Argentina's fishing fleet is hardly the Falklanders' responsibility.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0(59) cLOHO; (67) HansNiesund; (69) Islander1; (90) Lord Ton
Sep 01st, 2012 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical haughty Anglo-Saxon responses………
Fact is that three thousand (3,000) squatters in Malvinas are responsible for the extraction of nearly half the migrating biomass on the South Atlantic by licensing the catches to Asian fishing fleets…..
“Graciously” leaving the other half of the catch to the forty two million (42,000,000) Argentineans………
Very “efficient” greedy, glutton, pirating environmental terrorism by the squatters; I must say.
The spirit of Henry VIII seems to live quite well in them Islands.....
Just remember Peto’s “Shall dogs lick thy blood….......”
@TTT and think
Sep 01st, 2012 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your government has already basically stated that the only reason that you are increasing squid fishing is to wage economic warfare against the FI.
Furthermore members of your own fishing industry have spoken out against the plan becasue they realise that they have most to lose.
QUOTE - from Mercopress
“The Argentine Federal Fisheries Council approved resolution 7 opening a registry for 20 additional jiggers, 10 of them from China, apparently part of the June deal between Premier Wen Jiabao and Cristina Fernandez that also contemplates the possibility of supplying, servicing and unloading catches in Patagonian ports.
Local chambers have protested the initiative since they feel affected given the insufficient catches to face rising costs, but at the same time officials from the Cristina Fernandez administration have argued that it is part of the official Argentine policy in the Falklands/Malvinas dispute and because Beijing has no jiggers operating with Falklands’ licenses.
Resolution number 7 contemplates the incorporation of the Chinese flagged vessels to Argentina’s fleet plus the processing of catches in Patagonia plants and some labour commitments.
“The incorporation of another 20 jiggers to the 70 which already make up the Argentine fleet should have an impact on the ‘other side’” according to the press reports in clear reference to the Falklands.”
That is a pretty clear statement of intent, do you wonder why the Falklanders won't give in to you or why we won't talk about soverignty?
When you have decimated the squid stocks, what will you do next, when you have achieved nothing except confirming our contempt of you as a nation that acts in an agressive, irrational and self defeating way, and with which you can't achieve any lasting agreements from negotiation.
We are'nt going to give the FI or the Falklanders over to you. In the long run you will only make yourselves poorer.
This is a convenient desicion for Argentina to be managed responsibly as is all these years. Nothing personal with others.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers!
(I see the Argentine navy haven't changed much) An Argentine warship comes close to the Falkland Islands Zone and starts calling the Fishing boats to stop illegal fishing and to pull up any fishing gear in the area (for which they are fishing totally legally), this goes on for a while until our little fishery patrol boat calls the Argie ship and requests what it thinks it's up to. No answer from the warship and it runs away! nothing new there :)
Sep 01st, 2012 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We feel sad the islas Malvinas couldn't be Protected by luis vernet back in the 1800 and we feel that since we couldn't protect the sea from pirates and oil polluters we might as well join then, if brits can fish our seas why shouldn't we, in any case we couldn't keep holding the higher moral grounds while pirates theft and destroy our world. For this reason it is better to join the pirates and feed ourselves and become wealthier to buy weapons so in this way we could confront the illegal aliens with the same level of power, a community say in English 'if you can't beat them join them' when all commercial fish become extinct Islas malvinas Argentina will be returned to Argentina. I love the idea Of Argentina moving into the fishing industry we have Bast antartic sea sitting unexploited by Argentine's, low interest peso loans to Argentine fishermen should catapult the industry into the stratosphere, it's all matter of time once the pieces are in place.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@95
Sep 01st, 2012 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“For this reason it is better to join the pirates and feed ourselves and become wealthier to buy weapons so in this way we could confront the illegal aliens with the same level of power.”
Funny, you had more power than us when we last met 30 years back, i.e. more men, supplies, everything, and we still kicked your arse.
This will yet again be realised when you decide to take another pop.
@95We feel sad the islas Malvinas couldn't be Protected by luis vernet back in the 1800
Sep 01st, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It should have read Stolen for the first time, instead of “Protected”
Read the following, they knew they were british then!
Vernet was by now aware of conflicting British claims to the islands and sought permission from the British consulate before departing for the islands.
Vernet was appointed as Military and Civil Commander of Falkland Islands and the Islands adjacent to Cape Horn by the Government of Buenos Aires (his appointment was in the name of the Republic of Buenos Aires). A proclamation naming Vernet as Governor was issued by the Government in Buenos Aires in 1829. The proclamation followed his petition to the Government to provide a warship to police the settlement. That request was refused and instead the proclamation issued giving Vernet the authority to act with his own means.
The appointment of Vernet was challenged by the British consul in Buenos Aires, who restated the previous British claim to the Islands. In response to the announcement of his appointment as Governor, Vernet stressed to the British that his interests were purely commercial.
Vernet was granted a monopoly on seal hunting and one of his first acts was to curb seal hunting on the Islands by others, to conserve the seal population for his own dealings. This act was disputed by both the British and American consuls in Buenos Aires, each asserting their right to continue exploiting the natural resources in the islands. In 1831, Vernet seized the American ships Harriet, Breakwater and Superior for breaking his restrictions on seal hunting. Property on board the ships was seized and the Harriet along with her captain returned to Buenos Aires to stand trial, with Vernet also returning for the trial. As a result, in 1831 the USS Lexington raided the islands. On January 1833 a British task force re-established British rule on the Falkland Islands, ending the influence of Buenos Aires over them.
If it was not for falling of my chair I would laugh loudly. How weird it is to hear Argentines accusing Britain of colonization when one only has to ask them how on earth did they start their people. Not only did they colonize a chunk of South America they murdered the indigenous people in doing so.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet these facts are never brought up by Argentines complaining about our very existence on the Falkland islands. When are they ever going to accept that our forefathers were no more than adventurers who chose to settle on these islands and not all came from Britain but because Britain owned them they accepted British rule. Nothing more than that . They were never implanted here as like the Argentines did .
No matter how it is dressed up we are here to stay CFK so you had just as well get used to the idea.
There seems to be a slight flaw in the plan.
Sep 01st, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It actually cost quite a lot of money to run a fishing boat. If there isn't enough fish for the boats you already have, then you will have to pay the extra boats, unless you are hoping that the Chinese are going to subsidise your colonial ambitions through this cunning plan.
Hmmm. It's far too cunning for me.
Meanwhile I have to say I enjoyed the story about the Argentine warship hassling fishing boats in Falklands waters. ''You are fishing illegally'' ''No, we're the Protegat, and we're armed to the teeth with one .5 Oerlikon, so piss off'' ''ok''. Classic. Actually, I don't think any words were needed.
#96 who is we??? Lol Argentina fought alone because we have balls. Unlike our english speaking friends.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0#97 uk didn't reestablish rule but rather replaced them with british rule since according to history the American ship harriot was p nqlized for breaking the laws. Turning UK ansupporter anarchist proven again when taking the first colony in malvinas Argentina and to top it off they sold malvinas to fakland island company who destroy the cattle ranching started by luis vernet with the help of gauchos and la fonts.
#98 people who run away from europe to keep away from murderers, pirates and thieves have more rights then those who continue to persecute them. I have 400 pages of legal Canadian papers to prove it, all you have is freshly printed BS by a groups of self serving bastards. When I finally go away you will see many changes and I am sure you will not like it.
#99 in Australia pirate fishing ships are burned, the Spanish in Argentina are more forgiving then english Australians. We can all see how murderous the english people everywhere are.
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
But yet english speaking people everywhere jump for 3000 pirates in malvinas Argentina, does any of you read about Afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria and egypt and what your weapons are doing to muslim women and children everywhere??? No you don't other ways you wouldn't be here, as simple as that, take your trash elsewhere, Argentina is not interested.
Pirat you are not even worth talking to, because you have been brainwashed by the arg govt. all lies lies lies. Rivero was a murderer and vernet tried the Trojan horse approach. Bye prat.... How do you spell pirate? Easy just
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've this. A. R. G. E. n. T. I n e
#101 I might take you more seriously if your alias was Coca Cola. But fakland? Come on now? You Calling me brain wash is like the pot calling the kettle black. Hypocrisy should be a synonymous for English since you even took the time to write to pirat as many of you do.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland Island: The guy is an English troll. Just look at his grammar and his(fake) spelling mistakes. It's rather obvious.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0#100 - As Vernet had British permission to be on the Islands, granted by the Treaty of 1825, British sovereignty was not breached. That sovereignty stretched back to 1765, and contrary to rumour, we never really left. 1833 was merely a 'police' action following complaints by the Americans. It would probably have happened anyway, as BA had exceeded the permissions contained in the 1825 Treaty and had developed 'pretentions'. BA thought is could seize something that did not belong to it.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 02 attempts so far. Will Argentina go for the hat trick ??
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103755318/Falklands-War-The-First-400-Years-PDF
@pirat hunter
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0You did'nt fight alone in 1982. Peru supplied you with 10 Mirage 5s, Brazil supplied you with a pair of patrol aircraft, as well as spare parts. Venezuala and Peru supplied spares for your air force. Israel supplied weapons and technical support to your air force. The French made sure that the exocets worked.......
If you add possible help from the Soviet Union from satellite surveiallance (disputed or late) then you are'nt strictly speaking accuarate in your description of events.
Only UK armed forces were used against you (our allies only provided us with weapons, intelligence and supllies too). Only your armed forces were deployed in the field against us.
For all your bluster the issue was settled by the rout and surrender of your army of occupation.
In short we proved, in your words, to have the bigger balls, while you were defeated thoroughly...................
@100
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina fought alone because we have balls. Unlike our english speaking friends”. LMAO!
You dluded tit, From what I remember your soldiers got a royal running through.
These so called hero's had balls the size of peas, that's why they cried for mummy when the fight got nasty.
100 Pirat-Hunter
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#96 who is we??? Lol Argentina fought alone because we have balls. Unlike our english speaking friends.
#98 people who run away from europe to keep away from murderers, pirates and thieves have more rights then those who continue to persecute them. I have 400 pages of legal Canadian papers to prove it, all you have is freshly printed BS by a groups of self serving bastards. When I finally go away you will see many changes and I am sure you will not like it.
The above has answered your own issues sunshine. Argentina had to fight alone because first they started all the conflicts between themselves and every Neighbour including the Falklands.
So the first settlers by your standards left to escape murderers etc. What was your reason for your forefathers was it to murder others because they run out of places where they were welcome in Europe.
Can somebody remind me.... Was it that the Argentinians had “balls”and the British that didn't have “balls”, the reason why they lost the last war?
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were the British mysteriously given foreign troop aid?
In fact there are documented facts from soldiers i n 3 Para that the Argentinians had US mercenaries fighting for them on Mount Longdon. This is noted in the book “Excursion to Hell” from Vincent Bramley who served in the Parachute Regiment during the campaign.
@55 Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Nice to see you admitting that you are backward. Let's try a little comparison, shall we? Argieland - a little over 200 years old - stolen by Spaniards. United States - a little over 200 years old - settled by British. Thanks for telling us that we aren't “pirates”. Did you get permission from Prat-Hunter? By the way, you don't have 800 years. You'll be lucky if you make the next 100!
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 Thi()ck. Nuff said!
@65 Got any REAL figures, dickhead?
@66 Let's see now. Fish has been scientifically proven to be good for the brain. How about this? Argies don't eat much fish and therefore don't have much brain. Alternatively, argies don't have enough brain to eat fish!
@72 But argieland is the queer “capital” of the world! We'll understand if you want to take 20 minutes out to bend over and get shafted by your boyfriend!
@76 Do you get it paid? Isn't illegal to take money under false pretences?
@77 Showing how Thi()ck you are again? You lot NEED more than one language to communicate. But we're not poor or illiterate, so all we need is ENGLISH. The world's premier language.
@79 “English” not too good? Even in the States it's a “furlough”, dimwit.
@86 You're desperately trying to save “face”. Does that look like a scrotum?
@95 Very funny, Prat. It's good that you have a sense of humour. You're going to need it!
@100 Don't be silly. You don't have a ball between you. “Legal Canadian papers”, eh? Who did you buy them from? Noticeable that you turds never make such documents available. Don't worry, sonny, we may stop killing muslims in the next couple of years. Will you dare stick your head up over the parapet? Don't think so. Just a PC nerd, right?
@102 I won't call you brainwashed. You'd have to have a brain!
I love it when RG's get all bitter and twisted.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its just more incentive to fish fish fish (sustainably) and drill drill drill (for all your worth).
Silver scales are nice but black gold is beautiful.
100... A well defended island with thousands of Argentine soldiers got beaten by a numerically inferior British foe. Spin all you want you got a bit of cold steel and did not like it up you, you did not like it
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#104 there was no british soverignity only pirates and outlaws don't forget Vernet found a few and punished them according to laws. UK on the other hand replaced the laws in Islas Malvinas Argentina with Anarchy leading to the demise of The Argentine administration, I don't think fishing our seas is trying to decimate our fishing industry but rather building our own industry. Environmental terrorism is what BP did in the gulf of Mexico. And before the british pollute Islas malvinas Argentina we want to cash in the fish. It is going to be polluted by oil rig and oil spills why not exploit the industry before the british destroy it??? As they will eventually do.
Sep 02nd, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0112 Pirat-Hunter #104 there was no british soverignity only pirates and outlaws don't forget Vernet found a few and punished them according to laws. UK on the other hand replaced the laws in Islas Malvinas Argentina with Anarchy leading to the demise of The Argentine administration
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0And for your information 112 Pirat-Hunter there was no Argentine soverignty in South America untill your murderers took the place from the indigenous people was there
Britain was there from 1765.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet didn't 'arrest' any British vessels - because he was obeying the instructions from Parish not to do so. He wanted 'his' colony to be protected by the British.
So it seems that two thirds of Argentines no longer want CFK to run a third time. At Last real people telling her how it is. Maybe democracy will one day appear in Argentina but I would not hold my breath on that.
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it could be the start of shutting up some of those who are so fanatical. Someone said to me in the street the other day maybe we should go to the UN with a counter claim for any parts of Argentina that were first settled by the english. Now that would be something like taking the sweet from the big bully.
@115
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the Falklands to Patagonia (Mainwairing) tells how Falkland Islanders settled Patagonia long before the Argentines. Also:
“The British missionary Waite Hockin Stirling[7] became the first European to live in Ushuaia when he stayed with the Yámana people between 18 January and mid-September 1869.”
As the Argentine claims are ridiculous, using their logic there should be a counter claim, just for effect.
They'll be telling you that they inherited it next :-)
Sep 03rd, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the day, the story says it all, Argentina is undertaking Environmental terrorism.
Sep 05th, 2012 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether Environmental or not, terrorism is terrorism and we all know how to deal with that. We have to go in hard and fight the corrupt government to assist the normal people to undertake leadership change.
The Peronist party have been bad before 1939, and supported the Nazi regime and then took in the guilty post war.
In my opinion, they probably had more to do with the Junta than is currently known. Time to teach a lesson.
What Argentina is doing is just that “economic terrorism”. For better or for worse, ...Argentina might have more ammunition for an economic warfare than the Falklands. Sadly, enough!!! However, living under the umbrella from the UK protection...the Args are not going to do any more than that. Hang in there mates! CFK will leave sooner or later...time will tell. Cheers!
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Didn't expect such dramatic rhetoric from a Falklands' representative...isn't that supposed to be what sets you apart from the Argies? =)
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