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Argentina limits dollar trading for arriving tourists in ports and airports

Saturday, September 8th 2012 - 05:20 UTC
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The Argentine government is further tightening the US dollar clamp. On Thursday the Central bank announced that state-run banks and agencies will be the only ones officially allowed to operate foreign currency exchange offices in airports and ports. Read full article

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  • windy

    The Government has my full support on this one. They have closed down the casa de cambio in EZE airport that was ripping off tourists on arrival.
    It was giving tourists 3.7 to the dollar when the bank rate is 4.6 and the black market rate can be as high as 6.3. So now tourists can change U$S500 at the bank in the airport or use the atms. They can still change more in any other bank in the city,or indeed use other atms.
    Well done to the Argentine Gov.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (1) windy

    You will notice that the “Little Detail” about the Private Banks at the Airports ripping off tourists on arrival giving them just 3.7 to the dollar when the official rate is 4.6 was “conveniently” left out from this article.

    Well done to the Argentine Gov.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    What you mean the 4th paragraph down which mentions travellers being short changed was left out ?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Well spotted Saphira!

    Article says:
    “The Central Bank said that private banks and exchange houses currently based at airports and ports were dealing in dollars at unofficial rates, which often short-changed travellers.”

    The CENTRAL POINT of this story, so WELL PLACED in the 4th paragraph and so CLEARLY WORDED that it did even escape this old humble Argentinean attention....

    I appologize thousandfold and retire, in shame, to my quartes for some serious self-flagelation....

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Self-flagelation, is that the Argentine equivalent of self-determination?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    In my experience you will get ripped off by money changers at any airport on the planet.... never used them... never will.....

    'The Central Bank said that private banks and exchange houses currently based at airports and ports were dealing in dollars at unofficial rates, which often short-changed travellers.'

    geeze Thicko that was well hidden.... even had its own para so you wouldn't notice it.....

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    Sorry, have you all gone mad? This Government 'dresses-up' both draconian management of the economy and legislation that takes away your civic rights, and it attacks private business (property). Remember that word - property - if you have some in Argentina it's at risk.

    Crime - yer it's getting out of control and there's lots of lip service - no action - when it get's completely out of control, there will be more laws that give the government more control of your lives - speak to your parents - your grandparents - or cast your mind back to 1976.

    Today, it's a financial house, tomorrow it's a farmers field. Is your property safe? Possibly not.

    Consumer protection laws that work and good institutions are the key to a successful economy/country - not dictatorial state terrorism using the AFIP.

    This lady is slowly taking control of your lives and if she is able to garner 75% of the vote in the local elections you will have a left wing dictatorship in democratic threads - wake up Argentina we have seen this before. Your permissiveness is borne out of a fear to challenge this Government - pay your taxes and get out on the street quickly before it's too late. We've seen this all before.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (7) bigron

    You say:
    “We've seen this all before.”

    I say:
    Who is “WE”...?
    Who has seen all this before...?
    When have “WE” seen all this before...?
    Where have “ WE ” seen all this before...?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    That is a relevant point. Exchange houses at airports giving poor exchange rates is NOTHING NEW. Most tourist guides and forums will caution travellers about it.

    The truth of this story is the government wants every single dollar in Argentina and every dollar coming into the country.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @7 yep.... why have the private banks screw the tourists when KFCs goons can take over the business and screw the tourists instead.
    The tourists will still be screwed but the squeeze will be going into KFC's pocket...

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    i have lived in Argentina for 40 years

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @8 'Who is “WE”...?' ,,.... that would be you I guess Thicko, why just the other day you were telling us how you remembered how things were in Argentina in the early '40s......
    Its hard to remember this stuff when you are making it up as you go along...

    By the way how is your 'well hung norwegian naval officer ' boy friend these days?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    What do you say to that Think?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    what on earth are you talking about - I am a widower - lost a wonderful Argentina - naval officer? You scumbag.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    sorry... ... was responding to Thicko at #8...apologies

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (11) bigron

    You say:
    “ I have lived in Argentina for 40 years”

    I say:
    I take it then that when you say “WE” you mean “US”; long term residents in Argentina...

    Well......
    I, for one, haven't seen “All This” before.
    Not here... nor anywhere else in the World I have lived.
    And I don't need to “speak to my parents” -“ my grandparents” - or “cast my mind back to 1976”.
    I remember it as if it was yesterday.

    Anything intelligent to say...... or just more of your Hysterical Yankee Anticomunist 1960's shiat?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Thicko... tell us about life in Argentina in the early 40s... you were saying just the other day how well you remembered it.......
    By the way... how is your parrot?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    Well - THINK - maybe you should start to think a little more carefully and stop being so rude to people, it's unnecessary and more to the point, your views, that I am ready to debate are lost in a ''wash'' of childish guff.
    Firstly, I am not an American. In fact, far worse, I am British. My family were possibly in ARG a lot longer than your own - I often find that's the case. They were industrious pioneers, old school immigrants, that saw great potential in Argentina. Unfortunately, your wonderful country and promise has been squandered/destroyed by crass unfortunates like you. I supported Kirchner I - II has lost her way...

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    17 Frank

    I think 'I don't Think' aka The Turnip In Chief can't help himself when he lies and lies and lies.

    1940's no problem, just like yesterday! Or was it the day before?

    It's turning into a complete farce trying to get the truth out of these Malvanistas.

    It's only the likes of Simon68 and bigron and the other mentally balanced Argentineans who tell it how it really is that makes MercoPress worth reading.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (18) bigron

    Well - BIGRON - maybe you should THINK a little more and stop being so ”Doomsday-Reverend Moon-Apocalyptic” about the Argentinean democracy.

    Firstly, I am positive that your family came to ARG a lot sooner than my own.
    I often find that's the case……

    But, unfortunately, quite many of those ”Industrious Pioneers, Old School Immigrants, that saw great potential in Argentina” you mention, saw no obligation or necessity in paying any taxes, integrate or construct a Nation by democratic means.

    Unfortunately, our wonderful Country has been squandered/destroyed by crass unfortunates like those.

    Contrary to you, I didn’t vote for Kirchner I, nor for Kirchner II…..

    But I have a deep respect for the democratic choice of my people and, to the best of my recollection; I can’t remember a political/ economical period in Argentina better than the Kirchners.

    Can you?
    Which one?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    I am saddened by both the British and Argentine contributors - it gives the wrong impression. I am welcome anywhere in Argentina. I have god-fearing and wonderful Argentine friends. Lackluster governments can only thrive on nationalism and subterfuge - distraction is the cornerstone of confidence trickery - it's been a 'tool' used by both our unfortunate governments - despicable.
    The dire consequence of the past was a battlefield with blood relatives on either end of a divide - the reality was blood, guts and the death of courageous Argentine and British servicemen.
    Many contributors are racist and soil their sacrifices.
    It's time for reconciliation.
    It's time to talk.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (21) bigron

    That's more like it!
    I Fully agree...
    Wont be long before some British turnip will accuse you of being me....
    Or vice-versa....

    TWIMC
    I would like to use this opportunity to straighten the record about some misconceptions that Turnip “Frank, the Yank” is, in his big ignorance, spreading about Mr. Think…..

    1) I don’t have a farm…. Just a couple of paltry Patagonian meadows, enough for me shed and the horses…

    2) I’m a proud 1´st generation Argie of Scandinavian extraction who’s parents arrived to this blessed land well before WWII ……

    3) I don’t have a parrot….

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    I do think. I do know Argentina very well. I think about our President. I think about her executive. I think about the weakening institutions that government presides over. I think about the horrible communication mix used by both government and opposition. But, most of all, I think about an Argentine democracy that should be enshrined in your glorious constitution. Almost daily, I feel sad that Argentines are idly standing-by, watching their civil liberties being whittled away by a government that destroys the foundations laid by your forefathers. I HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE I CRY - FOR ALL OUR SAKES. Remember, I come from a nation where we pay taxes. I come from a family that have always paid our taxes, wherever we have lived. Argentina was built on immigration - but again, I feel you ‘prod’ with racist undertones, unkindness, and blinkeredness, with a generality that exposes your ignorance. You THINK, have no substance and your rhetoric is one that belies your true anger – you are a failure – aren’t you? Argentina today has similar success potential not seen since the mid to latter part of the 19C. I know that history has a habit of repeating itself and your creed/type is at the core of Argentina’s past disasters and current problems. Tin-pot dictators and populists from all sectors sing the same song. Sadly the masses often follow the pied-piper over the precipice.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (23) bigron

    Now we are talking...

    I have endured your “Pillar of Society” type of person since my early childhood….
    Myriads of “Wealthy Estanciero Uncles and Aunts”, “Important friends of the family”, “Prosperous” people, always with the same impeccable moral discourse…….

    But afraid as hell about the tax authorities having a look at their dirty laundry.
    Afraid as hell about not having powerful uniformed friends anymore.
    Afraid as hell of “La Negrada”
    Afraid as hell of the truth.

    You call the Kirchners “Tin-pot dictators and populists” all you want….
    It doesn’t change the evident fact that you are a supporter of the dictatorial mentality that has pushed my Country over the precipice more than once.

    My last words to you, Mr. Bigron…
    Nunca Más

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    mmm - in addition, when someone takes time to respond to your twaddle, read their thread carefully before you respond. I have looked at your various posts and I have followed you around the internet little bit - I think you are a 35/40 something short podgy chap with dyed blond hair. So, maybe it's time to come out of the closet. If you are struggling with my English I can write just as well in Spanish. Nunca Mas - agreed! But I will be watching!!

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    It is all about control and nothing to do with protecting the tourists.

    Every traveler knows that some of the worst rates of exchange are at airports.

    What they are trying to do is to stop tourists selling their dollars at the black exchange rate when they leave the airport.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (25) bigron

    Please correct me If I misinterpreted any of your points.....

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KFC de Pollo

    Argentines travelling abroad must request AFIP approval to purchase dollars at the official rate. Travellers are usually sold 70-100 dollars for every day they will spend abroad.

    muwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha they are always rejected straight away. no one can buy dollars at the official rate.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    This is seemingly what too many Argentines dont get.

    Its not the new laws and restriction s that the 'government' brings in that are the problem. Its the way its done. Its the fact that they just do it at a whim because they feel like it. 'Lets try this and if the people dont revolt lets assert more control ...and then more control'

    ''ARGENTINA, ARGENTINA!!! ''

    It insiduous. Like the slow boiling a frog scenario.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (29) Tobers

    “This is seemingly what too many ................... dont get.”
    (Fill the dotted line with a 1'st World Nationality of your choice)

    Its not the new laws and restriction s that the 'government' brings in that are the problem. Its the way its done. Its the fact that they just do it at a whim because they feel like it. 'Lets try this and if the people dont revolt lets assert more control ...and then more control'

    ''...................., ....................!!! ''
    (Fill the dotted line with a “1'st World Country” of your choice)

    It's insiduous. Like the slow boiling of a frog scenario.

    Congratulations Mr. Tobers; you has just described the “War Against Terrorism” that the “1'st World Countries” are so bravely fighting at the moment..............

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    7@ Were you thinking of Chile 1970-73....? Becausevall your statement fits yoo damm roght with that times unfortunately we have lived here....!!! That way the worst Chilean president started his oppresive Gvt. that finished with our liberation by our loyal armed forces that leaded us to a new era of developement...becaming the best country in Latam.....by far...!!!

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • row82

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    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    no, it's not a ood move. The only truth here is, the Argentine State wants to be the only thug to rip-off tourists on a fake rate (4,6) while the real rate is 6,3. So the argentine state does steal 1,7 pesos from every tourists dollar.

    DO you really believe people are that dumb not to see THAT?

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Surely the answer for tourists is to take your dollars and use them. Hotels will bite your hand off and give huge discounts for dollars cash. You need only withdraw a small amount of pesos from an atm for taxis.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Ok, so we are getting clamped down on currency activities.

    You Europeans think you are not being clamped down?

    I am watching two European soap operas, a french one called “Plus belle la vie”, and a German one “Herzflimmern”.

    On BOTH one of the major storylines at this very moment is the huge cash crunch hospitals in France and Germany are facing due to the crisis. On the French soap the authorities are demanding the hospital cut 10-20% expenses, closing several departments like teenager health, psychiatry, etc... on the German soap the local government had to approve that part of the hospital become a beauty/plastic surgery “Kur” for the wealthy, and that this new wing of the hospital double shift nurses from the general medicine wing.

    We all know what is going on with the NHS in the UK, and with the public hospital budget in Spain.

    Who the heck you people are kidding? You are fucked.

    I don't mentione the USA because they have been fucked in health care for 20 years now, with atrocious cost to results rations, massive fraud, and gross negligence like amputating the wrong legs, or removing the wrong breast.

    Spare me your “oh poor them”, you are just if not more screwed.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    You watch soap operas? lol Sweet.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @34 'You need only withdraw a small amount of pesos from an atm for taxis.'

    You are warned not to take taxis at Ezeiza but to book a remise... they take $US.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @36

    You think that insults me somehow? I have my reasons.

    Still doesn't change the fact the health of your children is doomed.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (38) Truth_Telling_Troll

    I don't “Think” she's trying to insult you.....
    I “Think” the cougar is hitting on you....

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @37 I always get a limo from the hotel to pick me up at the airport but the taxis will take pesos..... the hotel where I stay has a policy of stepping in when the passengers arrive by taxi and before they pay, to check how much they are being charged because the taxi drivers had been charging way too much, in pesos, but way over the standard price.

    @38 No, not an insult, just curious. Don't be so defensive all the time. You do know soaps are not real life don't you? : )

    @39 Sadly, he is an Argentine, so not my type. Besides, I am not available.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Recaping:

    Elaine makes 6 figures and only rides limos from the airports to her 5 star locale.
    Yankeeboy takes weekend trips to London, Paris, Milan and Dubai, and lives in a penthouse.
    mastershakejb travels 365 and was making a fool of himself with me while climbing Chimborazo in Ecuador
    there was another brit who made millions from being an investment analyst... I've never met so many Patricians and millionaires in my whole life, in one place.

    You almost think this is the internet and they are just making it all up!

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (41) Truth_Telling_Troll

    Relax.....
    I am as poor and old (but sadly not as wise) as the Viejo Vizcaha :-)))

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • tehsoto

    @bigron, i can't believe a british guy have a better insight of Argentina's present than the kirchnerists, as an argentine i completely agree with your comments, unfortunately, our people is constantly driven my speeches and they seem to be blind to the facts, they blame a media-monopoly, they blame old administrations (even when they supported them back then) and they don't see how our freedom is being taken away one-step at the time. They seem to promote hatred to anyone who thinks different, and also use the Malvinas/Falklands issue to distract people (this is also done by the UK), when they are actually making their business together from behind the curtain (a lot of things of this administration are ran by UK companies). I can only advert people from other countries from falling into the same and have hope for my beautiful Argentina. :(

    I'm on the verge of migrating btw.

    Regards !

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jerry

    9 and 26 - You have both stayed on the subject and stated the truth of the milanesa.

    Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conorworld

    That foreign currency stalls at airports rip off tourists is nothing new. In fact it's as much a given as having to pass through security to board a plane. However the price difference that they were charging compared to the official rate was egregious.

    What I don't support is the closing down of all of them. I mean, the government could have gone in and set up their own stall and undercut the other stalls resulting in them cutting prices or closing up shop. Why kick everyone out with possible job loses for this?

    It all seems like a dollar grab, a real, physical dollar grab. That's not right.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @Think

    The War on Terror is a truly shameful con but had Argentina been in Britains place it probably would have succumbed ´to the USs pressure also. I wouldnt get on your high horse about that. Its virtually a separate issue and one that many Brits feel deeply ashamed of.

    Everyday' politics in Britain is shit but its less corrupt and authoritarian than in Argentina. Fact

    A few examples that would not be tolerated in british politics.

    -using (recently) convicted murderers to promote party politics
    -votes for 16 yr olds
    -using a political youth movement (using gov funds) for extensive promotion and propaganda activities including in schools
    - changing the constitution to suit the current PM
    -buying votes with $50 and a meal
    -numerous free state media channels continuously spouting good news stories about the government and historical inaccuracies whilst putting much pressure on those with opposing voices.
    -the expenses scandal of a few years ago in Britain - is entirely normal in Argentina.
    -helicopter commuting
    - gov funds to fly by private jet because son had a dodgy knee
    -PM buying government land at super low prices to sell on at huge profit
    -Deputy PM owning a money printing firm (and under a false name)

    etc. etc. etc. etc..............

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #35 considering presidents typically have the best physicians, is giblet necks misdiagnosis and thyroid removal in January an example of argentina's best surgeons? Or the baby delivered and sent to the morgue?
    I wouldn't try to argue my countries OVERALL rating, but world leaders still go to the USA for care and the President of the USA would not have a mistake like that made. Considering turkey neck situation, I wouldn't look down your long native nose. But then again, maybe they were wanting to kill her and changed their minds.
    Oh and soap operas, Utube, Wikipedia.....you're a walking wealth of youthful underachievement, we now know your knowledge source of worldly information when you're off mom's teet. argentina's public education system at work.....soaps, utube and wikipedia.......who said you need schools in argentina?

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #20 Interesting comment, I always had you down as a Cristina voter. I can't imagine you voting for the right wing opposition, so did you vote for Binner, or that Trotskyist perhaps =) And what do you think of re-election; would you be tempted to vote for the ever radicalising Cristina if she was ale to stand in 2015? Just asking you these things as I respect you as a comrade, especially the way you dealt with “Big Ron” (a very Scottish sounding name I'm embarassed to say!)

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 07:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @bigron

    1-I have properties in Argentina and business and I have never been attacked or have any fear about anything.

    Compare with so many countries like Italy for example Argentina is a paradise. In Italy you can get a fine for 1000 Euros if you have a sample to show to your clients of any product even one without a bolla (bill).

    You cannot paint the front of your house without a permit from the Comune (municipality) and can take many years to approve the request. Once is approved even if you don’t have the money is mandatory to perform the job so you have to ask for a credit to a bank.

    If you want to have guesses to stay at your home for more than a day you need to give advice to the your local Questura (police station). If you have a lighter of gold you need to have a francobolli (tax stamp on it) you have to pay also Fancobolli for having music player on you car.

    You need licences for everything as is you are going to handle nuclear weapons.

    By the way what kind of property or business do you have in Argentina that you are so scared?

    I guess you are reading too much “La Destruccion” (La Nacion) and Clarin Cuete (Carin multimedia group).

    A bunch of liars and corrupted like the Murdoch’s in UK.

    2-I guess you are confused with the “El Think” he is no a racist person, trust me.

    And please stop portraying yourself as an angel, British avoid to pay taxes every opportunity they have. And they love to pay less if they can. That is the reason why you got scammed so often.

    Greed perhaps?

    Ha ha

    Dedicate to you Engel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwW3VbPtdlk

    @to the retarded Brits wannabe here.

    When I first arrived to London having some US dollars in cash no bank in London allowed me to open an account in US dollars. All told me that I have to turn it into British pound. Then was really harder to by US dollars for some amount like 50k.

    So idiots stops talking BS all countries have their rules if you don’t like it move on.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (46) Tobers
    You say:
    ”The War on Terror is a truly shameful con but had Argentina been in Britains place it probably would have succumbed to US pressure also.”

    I say:
    If you knew anything about South-American politics you would know that we already ”succumbed to US pressure” in the sixties, seventies and eighties……
    What do you ”Think” the ”Doctrine of National Security“, all those ”Military Regimes” and the ”Plan Condor” were all about?
    South America has ”Been there, Done that”, laddie
    Seems to be your turn now…

    You say further:
    ”Everyday' politics in Britain is shit but its less corrupt and authoritarian than in Argentina.
    And then you write a loong list of things that would not be tolerated in British politics.”

    I say:
    Lets just pick one of the ”corrupt and authoritarian nastinesses” you mention in your list, shall we…..:

    ”Votes for 16 year olds”

    Well, well, well…….
    If you knew anything about British politics you would know that the right of vote for sixteen (16) years old citizens already exists in such corrupt and authoritarian places as:

    The Isle of Man…..
    Jersey…..
    Guernsey….
    Aldrney and Sark to follow soon….
    And, to top it all, the voting age is likely to be reduced from 18 to 16 for the Scottish independence referendum.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_age#United_Kingdom

    I will leave you to properly research the rest of your loong list……….

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    (48) British_Kirchnerist

    As you already guessed, my personal vote was for Binner……….........

    About reelection…..:
    If Cristina is interested in another term; (what I’m convinced She’s not) she should follow the example of Lula in Brazil.

    Socialist greetings
    El Think

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @41 Hotel cars are not expensive in Argentina. And travel is relatively inexpensive if you are paid a reasonable salary in dollars or pounds. I don't live a fantasy life from a European or US perspective, though I understand it may seems so for some people living in LatAm. Maybe that is why so many Argentines work in the US? They can have a much better standard of living.

    It used to be the norm for young Argentines to work in somewhere like Spain for two or three years and return to Argentina with enough for a deposit on a home. That is not an option now, but it is an example of the benefits of earning a European salary.

    A job involving a lot of travel always sound glamorous but it is still work. : )

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ( 41) Truth_Telling_Troll

    She’s definitely hitting at you….
    Eloquent, periphrastic young males have always fascinated older women…..
    (IMHO, of course ;-)

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    51 ElaineB
    A job involving a lot of travel always sound glamorous but it is still work. : )

    Ain't that the truth! At least the Grand Prix is on in my hotel room!

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @tehsoto

    Do you need money for the taxi to Ezeiza?

    No problem I will give you the $200.

    BTW where are you going?

    I will recommend you Spain or UK.

    SYL

    Oops!

    Seems I found the “Limo” that hires posh ElaineB for $250 (pesos)

    http://www.alamaula.com/img/timthumb.php?src=/uploads/1/260/Classified/1079688/alquiler-de-limusinas-250-tel--668_big2.jpg&w=650

    Here ElaineB on Party time
    http://www.alamaula.com/img/timthumb.php?src=/uploads/1/260/Classified/1079688/alquiler-de-limusinas-250-tel--668_big2.jpg&w=650

    ”A job involving a lot of travel always sound glamorous but it is still work. : )”

    Yeap! agree ask fellow bus driver.
    Ha ha ha

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #50 Yes you beat me to it on the referendum; I like many Brits have supported votes at 16 for years, but unlike Cristina's progressive initiative Salmond's plan to bring in votes at 16 specifically to skew a contentious referendum really IS gerrymandering imho...

    ”If Cristina is interested in another term; (what I’m convinced She’s not) she should follow the example of Lula in Brazil”

    Well I still hope your wrong =) But Cristina 2019 wouldn't be too bad, a bit of time out of the pressure cooker of power might make her even more beautifula and she could I'm sure be active in politics in other ways in the gap term. But who do you think would be the K standard bearer for 2015 - Timmerma? A. Castro? Kicillof? And would you be inclined to vote for any of them? How is the Binnerite wing of Argie politics doing these days and what are their prospects going into 2015? I must say if there does have to be a rotation of the K bloc out of power I hope its to them, and they were the runner up last time =)

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Oh!

    Poor CaMoron UK going to the drains like when flashing a toilette.
    Banned to call on ports in SA.
    Financial Armageddon knocking at his door.
    Uncle Sam Especial relationship no working.
    Argentina pressing him in SA and Spain in Europe.

    Quiz!

    Who is more incompetent Raja-hoy or CaMoron?

    Just wonder how much delusion British and Spanish can take having these clowns in power?

    Well at least there are so lucky because Britain always has beautiful weather...

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    56 DanyBerger

    Whatever. If it makes you feel better. What happens when you say crap like this all the time but it never happens?

    Lewis Hamilton is about to take the chequered flag! It doesn't get any better than this.

    Chuckle chuckle.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 52. You think that is 'hitting'? Beginning to understand your problem with women. lol.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ( 41) Truth_Telling_Troll

    An experienced cougar will, of course, always deny that she's hitting on you.....
    They are just interested in what you are saying....
    (All IMHO, of course ;-)

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @Think

    The right to vote at 16 in a voting population of 45 million people is very different to tiny populations away from the mainland.
    Even your comrade 'BK' acknowledged that Salmond wants to give (impressionable) 16 yrs the vote for strategic reasons (even if he cant admit that its exactly the same situation with CFK).
    Many young people support CFK/peronism for ideological reasons (yet to experience real life) and also many are about to enter the free (but shit) university system. Funny that.

    The Brits speak English and they share many other cultural characteristics with the Americans. A different kettle of fish to dealing with Latin Americans. Obvious.

    ---- I will leave you to properly research the rest of your loong list………. ---

    In other words you failed to counter my comments.

    Oh by the way you should try humility some time. You´ll find yourself becoming less bitter.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (60) Tobers

    I gave you the benefit of the doubt and wasted some of my time on you....

    My bad....

    You may continue being a Prize British Turnip......

    As I have already said many times in here, I try to avoid any interaction with them...... so......

    Fare well and enjoy the rest of your Sunday.....

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    @20 Think

    Argentine democracy:

    Peron - friend of Hitler = CFK Peronist government = treatment of Falkland Islanders

    Evita - hid about 5,000 Nazi War criminals in Argentina.
    CFK - Evita?

    No need to worry, when the dollars finally run out and Argentina cannot borrow money as it is regarded as a pariah state by international money lenders the Peso will be devalued (again) and it will be bye bye CFK.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Brit Bob lets not forget when you compare argentine democracy to look at cuba, because afterall, these blog trolls made in testtubes back at the la campora labs, by fatsimo the fat fuck kirchner, consider cuba a democratic state!

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    -Think-

    you failed.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sammy

    It's all about control,not helping the suckers that will be shafted from minute one of arrival till they get their sorry asses back on board whatever they arrived on and back to sanity.
    I just sold me gaff which i bought over four years ago,now the bank have phoned me as they say i need to fill in a form stating where i got me plata to buy it.They say afip is behind this inquisition!!I have been told by the bank that i need a cert from the stasi/afip to allow me to transfer me plata,from a dollar account not peso??,to a far off safe haven like North Korea!! what you think me chances are of getting a permit??thought not,fuck all chance!!!!!!!

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @65 What a shame that you cannot do whatever you want with your own hard-earned money. No doubt, if you are prepared to make a large donation to CFKC's shoe fund you might be able to keep some of it.

    The only comfort in this sorry story is the unrest this latest story is creating and how badly the witch placing herself on a level with God has been received by the general public. CFKC is known for speaking before she engages her brain but her latest blunders have shocking.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    Good move by our elected president CFK, we Argentines love her policies too bad the outsiders and English are not being catered to anymore, must be hard for them to do without corrupt leaders they can suck blood from, that tit is out of milk.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @67 You don't speak for all Argentines. You don't even live there.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    if that's what you think no one in buenos aires likes her. Only lazy, none working poverty stricken rg's like her. No one in the USA is courting RGLAND to do business in there, we just want to harass until we get the money back. It's ass lips and Galuccio that is sniffing oil businesses assholes and begging. Any bets who buys YPF bonds on the 11th.......the pensions she stole from people who worked and saved for it and they now have NOTHING. The only tit suckers are the parasitic RGs that want something for nothing. So now she accosts tourists, perhaps that's why tourism is down almost 8%. The only way rgland can make money is the net flux in trade. And because you are no longer making anything to export because imports had to be shut off so hard to create a surplus based on agriculture. But that is short lived, between floods and the modern world changing biofuels from soy to sorghum puts RG soy out of demand. RGs do not have to believe anything, they just merely have to wait ........as winter gives way to spring and summer and the heat rises, the power plants are over burdened and brown and black our for the lack of fuel, unless they decide to do more imports of natural gas......from Russia. No one really wants anything in RG, just the money you borrowed and promised to repay by giving your argentine word that you word repay. The entire world wold LOVE to hear argentina stop crying....“poooooor me, the world abused me”
    Most all of the non south americans that post here have been to south america numerous times and know what the people think of anal lips, tell someone that might believe you......like a 16 year old......or a alien resident.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR

    Sounds more like the regime tightening it's grip on the availability of foreign currency even tighter.

    The base idea in the story sounds very odd. Why short change when you can sell $£ for so much more on the black market anyway? You can profit far more from gaining more $£ to sell on than from shortchanging (which all currency exchangers do, particularly at traveling choke points).

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    She's looking for usable currency wherever she can grab it. Regardless of what she tells her drugs induced zombies that believe here, the country is out of country she still needs imports to buy on the international market and mercosur cannot fulfill all of south america's needs.

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #66 I don't doubt the right wing media will systematically be trying to get people to hate her, for example distroting her speech, as you just have, as “putting her on the same level as God” when she didn't, and so on. But with the solidarity of ordinary people I expect she will prevail...

    Sep 09th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    British_Kirchnerist, Marcos Alejandro, TTT, Hermes1967 and other good folks….

    Good morning to you all...........

    I’ll go walkabouting and fishing for a weeks time or so……
    Leaving my Tab 10.1 at me shed…..
    Would you be so kind to keep an eye on the turnip farm until my return?

    Thanks in advance
    El Think

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #73 Of course I will =) But before you go or when you get back, I'd still be interested to hear yuor views on the prospects for the Binnerist and non-K left. I hope the “transversal” project can be revived, but is this likely?

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @66

    The media have made a real meal of her speech but then she deserves it for coming out with these pretentious 'wise ' confucious style statements - 'people are like this' 'I am like that...' Che CFK - Stick to the politics. Less of the of showboating

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @75 Yes, I saw the media reaction but more telling, for me, was the reaction from the people I know is Argentina. Supporters, or not, they will usually shrug off her foot-in-the-mouth blunders, but not this time. I suspect we are seeing the tide of change.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @76

    Without doubt its going downhill for her and her cronies and every week its a little harder to keep the supporters onside. The scary thing is tho it just takes one big event invariably a nationalistic event and they´ll swarm back to her. Happened with Maggie too tho for justifiable reasons.

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Think is a poacher!!!!

    The fishing season in Patagonia starts on 1st. November and finishes 31st May.

    Shame on you Think!!!!!

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    glaring omission - Galtieri and the conflict

    @78

    So hes a poacher too. Ah the simple life...the great outdoors, fishing, horses, turnips...computers (ipad?), speculation in oil companies...

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Incedently, a Turkish friend arrived here over the weekend and told me of his experience at Ezeiza airport.

    He wished to exchange US$100 for incidental expenses between the airport and central Bs. As. He first went to the Banco de la Nación Argentina and asked the exchange rate, he was told ARS$4.65 per US$1.0, so he then went to a private exchange house which offered him ARS$6.0.

    It seems that everything is absolutely normal as far as money exchange is concerned!!!!!!

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viva Argentina

    @ 78 Simon68
    .....and old Simeon is an old man ready to kicked the bucket!

    Sep 10th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    cfk for all you do, this article is about you!!

    http://www.munknee.com/2012/07/how-not-to-run-a-country-whats-really-happening-and-about-to-happen-in-argentina/

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #75-77 The harder it gets for Cristina, the more her enemies attack her, the more supportive I feel. That would be the same for any other comrade, its just the principle of solidarity, without which working people would have nothing. I imagine I'm not the only one, and the media barons aren't going to have it all their own way...

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You are beyond pathetic. Visit the motherland or shut up. As I said you speak without any legitimacy or credibility.

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @35TTT

    “I am watching two European soap operas, a french one called “Plus belle la vie”, and a German one “Herzflimmern”. ”

    Do you have an Argentinian Naval Officer, too?
    LOL

    @67 PH

    “our elected president”

    -hah! You hide in Ontario Canada, calling yourself Prvates Hunter.

    Your real name is Alex Vargas, you live at home still, and you are a petty thief.

    Sep 11th, 2012 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    christina being presidential ......

    The goddess at work endorsing pork. You have to see this to believe this. This was around the time she was giving free fish out at Puerto Madero

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ1VFIyhQbA&feature=player_embedded

    Sep 12th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @86

    LOL,
    I know that BK would like to get “porked” by CFK !!

    Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    She gave out free fish that month at Puerto Madero

    Sep 12th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bigron

    If Argentina does not ''beef up” and throw public opinion behind a political movement yet to appear or combine to fight the Kirchner-La Campora movements, I believe we will be living in Argenzuela before we know it. Governments in this part of the world must operate with checks and balances. Total power corrupts, but given Argentina's past and recent history, anyone with a vote (no matter what your politics) would be wise to vote to balance or swing congress away from CFK. The power this president wields is dangerous (in any hands, not just CFK). The PD must be challenged. There is not a president-in-waiting - so with that in mind, protect yourselves. Remember that making the wrong choice could set Argentina back a decade - look to your neighbour with the largest oil reserves in the SH if not the world - that could be your future - WITHOUT THE OIL OR THE ABILITY TO RECOVER QUICKLY- just use a little common sense, that's all I caution. In addition, remember that many British people do love Argentina and found your wonderful ''old-world manners'' made your country a delight. Other South American's used to call you arrogant - incorrect - the sad thing, they now laugh at you. There was a time when this country, whatever the government or the problems, had a certain class. 2001 took that away, please recover, and remember the Kirchners have made you a laughing stock - those of you who travel will know this. Forget what's written in the Clarin or La Nacion, just look at what's going in local businesses - talk to them - ask - look at what's left in your bank account monthly - but most of all, look at cost and quality of staples (+beef) in your supermarkets, look at the mess she’s made of your farming industry – farmers/food prices brought you much of the recent prosperity - they deserve more than dismissal as the oligarchy and Argentina deserves more than those who once again squander your chance. Ron out - I have a life - said my piece. WAKE UP ARGENTINA!

    Sep 12th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    “On BOTH one of the major storylines at this very moment is the huge cash crunch hospitals in France and Germany are facing due to the crisis. ”

    And now Check this:
    German Health System (10 Billion Euro surplus)
    http://www.thelocal.de/national/20120305-41151.html

    TTT, do you get to realise the difference between fiction (first) and reality (link)?
    If you ever would be treated in a german hospital, you'd feel in heaven, compared to what you get in RG-Land.

    Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Not sure if you are Argentine or not bigron, but most of them are totally unawae of how the world views them, even their own fellow SA countires as well.
    There is another protest tomorrow in Buenos AIres on Santa Fe I am told from my friends there

    Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #83
    Unless you are an Argentinian, what business is it of yours to “support ” her.
    If you have a vote, fine, other than that leave it to the citizens of the country -unless of course, which we suspect, you are one of them.
    I have yet to meet anyone in Scotland who cares anything about Argentine politics except when the Falklands comes up on the news.

    In previous posts I have asked you to give some information as to your ethnic origins and place of residence. No detailed info. is required.
    This would give your posts more credence.
    So far you have ignored these requests. Something to hide ?

    Sep 14th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Clyde as I told him in the past, he has no legitmacy in his in his posts whatsoever.

    Sep 14th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #92 White Scottish. But not a Scottish and certainly not a “white” nationalist!

    Sep 14th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    http://www.argentinaindependent.com/category/currentaffairs/

    Sep 14th, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @bigron

    I really like the term “Argenzuela” very clever remind me “Der präsident Hugo Chavez” and his fight against the Necons imperialist good for nothing.

    Long life to “Der präsident Hugo Chavez” and “Maikönigin Cristina Kirchner”

    We will be back reloaded...

    Sep 15th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #94
    From where - Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen ,Auchtermuchty ?

    Sep 15th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Dumyburger did you make it to any of the protest anywhere in the country? If not a bigger one is in the works for Ostober. This one is designed to make sure morons like annabelle fernandez knows EXACTLY what they are protesting about. I have never seen a government spokesperson insult there own citizens before such as Cabinet Chief juan manuel abal medina. I find it most interesting that he stated they are more interested in Miami than Argentina, yet he was ignorant to what they were complaining about! Eastern European could not keep people repressed and I am sure argentina cannot as well.

    Sep 15th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #98 Maybe there should be counter protests for people like Danny, the majority of Argies who support their brilliant President, to attend...

    Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @99BK

    “, the majority of Argies who support their brilliant President”

    ha ha, really BK???
    Are you that brain-washed?

    Did CFK ask you and sussie to stand at the gates of the Casa Rosada and “fight to the end”???

    Your regime is falling faster than your peso. Sorry.

    Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    BK when were you ever in Argentina?

    Sep 16th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Captain Poppy

    If you would be able to write proper English sure I will be able to understand wtf you have tried to say.

    @British_Kirchnerist

    No need to make any protest Mr. BK civilised people just vote and I’m quite sure for whom I will not vote.
    And guess for whom I will never vote?

    Here a little help starts with “Ma” and ends with “Cri”

    Mauricio “devolvé los adoquines y la guita que afanaste para clarínMiente”
    http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/11472618/_Macri-roba-para-el-grupo-Clarin-190-millones-de-dolares-.html

    Macri steals money from taxpayer to favour ClarinMiente Group in USD 190millions.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I will dumb it done more than ok dumburger. Can you say CENSURE?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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