In the light of the referendum on the political future of the Falkland Islands scheduled for March 2013, Islander Eric Goss this week provided Penguin News with historical information relating to a Sovereignty Survey conducted in 1986 that revealed a 94.5% cent vote by Islanders in favour of British sovereignty. Read full article
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Poor Islanders have no any other chances under the constituted/deputedSep 08th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
LightweightThink - I suspect those 'poor' islanders are rather richer than you!Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
the riches at the Antarctica shores, so what is....Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
3Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Try again in English, if you'd be so kind.
3... As apposed to Argentinas riches stolen from indiginous natives by the Spanish and then RGs.Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
5Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Ask it to Spaniards not to Argentines.
7... war of the desert??? Native clearances. stealing of the rest of the land mass that became Argentina?..think that one is down to the RGS. Can't blame everyone else for your crimes.Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
woah Guys!!Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I think that LightThink is a BOT. you know, an AI computer hooked up to the press feed and then asked to comment on the story.
There was another one on here a while back and guess what? that one made no sense either!!
Best just to ignore it and hope it goes away...............
@7Santa Fe,Sep 08th, 2012 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Didn't you know, NOTHING is ever Argentina's fault.
lts always someone else who is to blame.
They are as pure as the driven snow!
One idiot on here said that it was the lndians fault that they were killed!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, three people on the Falklands voted for Argentinian sovereignty!Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
One went to live in Argentina.
I guess the other two have, long ago, changed their minds.
LightThink- and your point or problem is? That survey was run by outsiders totally independent of FIG and the Governor of the day.Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
next year will see an independent internationally observed official referendum on the issue with a clear unbiased and unslanted question to answer favouring A or B. And open debate in advance with both sides having the opportunity to make their cases.
Do you have a problem with Democracy?
perhaps you could also list the Voting powers in Falklands Govt of todays Governors? - hint - you wont need a big piece of paper.
Comment removed by the editor.Sep 08th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Not only constituted/debuted GovernorSep 08th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
retains VETO power on Defense,External Affairs,Internal Security,Administration of Justice.
Yep they did a referendum before, and the world keeps telling they don't have self determination right...cauckSep 08th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The sooner we leave them be, the better. But sure, our government needs to divert attention from real problems so they'll keep pushing.Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Left or right wing, they use this for their personal gain.
Oh well, i hope things change in a future so we can all get along just fine.
7 ....... 12Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@1Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Pity you are still stuck pn your pre-82 scratched record.(ge-dum, ge-dum, ge-dum etc).
The governor would only intervene if there was an extremist government voted in that changed the democratic system, which the Islanders complained to the governor about.
That is most unlikely to happen despite your dearest wishes.
Even if what you stated was reality, it is still a better choice than being governed by Argentina, who have to buy votes to get their president elected, and your president is not subject to questiontime. She rules like Tony Blair did, via press conference.
If the Falklnds Economy was run by Argentina, it would take less than 10 years for the Argentines to destroy it completely and make the place a wasteland.
That poor standard of government is not good enough for the Falkland Islands
17Sep 08th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
what referandum !
for all i know the Islanders have agreed with Britain on a new constitution to take affect by January 1,2009.which gives to Islanders self -government but final say to Britain by way of the Governor.
LightThink - of course the UK has the final say on Foreign affairs and defence! - we are not fullt Independent- hadnt you realised that?Sep 08th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As for the others- read again and you will understand that they are reserve powers - where he acts on the advice from the elected Govt and the likes of our Attorney general etc -
Yes he can overrule that advice and act on his own- if he (and UK)( have reason to believe that the local Govt is acting against its electorate, corrupt, ete etc.
UK has a responsibility to the UN Sec General as adminsitering power to ensure good fair open democratic govt in the Islands.
Take a look at Aust,NZ,Canada - you will probbaly find there that their Governor general,s can also refuse to approve dodgy business.
Now - are you going to tell me that they are not Independent either?
You have a different Constitution dont forget.
Tell me- WHO is the legal check- in the Arg Govt on your President getting up to dodgy finance deals etc etc?
Th3 Additional Survey on Indigenous Populations, published by the National Institute for Statistics and Census, says 600,329 recognise themselves as descending from or belonging to an indigenous people. The indigenous organisations do not believe this to be a credible number, because a large number of indigenous people live in urban areas where the survey could not be fully conducted and because there are still many people in the country who hide their indigenous identity for fear of discrimination.Sep 08th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There was a constant failure to respect the National Constitution during 2011, along with the international treaties (such as ILO Convention 169, the UN Declaration, the Biodiversity Convention, etc.) signed by Argentina.
Emergency Law 26160 on Indigenous Community Ownership, approved in 2006 and extended to 2013, suspends evictions from the ancestral territories and requires surveys of these to be conducted but, in practice, it has been ignored as dozens of communities have been evicted and surveys have been conducted in very few provinces due to the provincial governments’ opposition and the national government’s apathy.
Only 48 of the 1,200 communities registered by the National Institute for Indigenous Affairs, INAI, have managed to get this body to pass the corresponding administrative resolution recognising the territorial survey once conducted.
Throughout the country, calls for rights to be respected are answered with court cases and repressive action. According to a report on the “Human rights situation of the Mapuche people of Neuquén” published by the Indigenous Rights Observatory of that province, there are currently more than 250 community members being prosecuted through the courts. The slow progress made in complaints and lawsuits instituted by the communities in response to these actions is in stark contrast to the rapid conclusion of cases brought by other parties. This, along with judicial irregularities – which have given rise to requests for i
are these rg's really thick or what? Can't you get it, if the Falklands want to be independant we will back them to the hilt, provide defence as long as they require it and stand by them through whatever, as we do with all BOT's it's thier decision, get over it and do the world a favour....shut the fuck up your desperation is getting really boring and dare I say it EMBARRASINGSep 08th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Ah, Mrs Thatcher, I miss her.Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
19Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
dodgy finance ?
leastwise you refer the recent Standart Chartered,,Barclays,,HSBC
i have no idea if some Argentine officials have (or not)some connections with these banks.
Mother Nature rock those islands, the sooner, the better.Sep 08th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
To whom are they trying to prove anything with these referendums?Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Everybody does already know that islanders, which are already british, wish to remain british, who wants them not to be?
Argentina claims the land, not the people. Islanders can be whatever they want to.
http://www.facebook.com/Britain1592?ref=tn_tnmn Please support the page, press the LIKE button and contribute to show your support to keep the Falklands free...Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Please support this page aimed at promoting Britain's Overseas Territories...Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Other solution not listed – 1.2%Sep 08th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentine Sovereignty – 0.3%
I bet with you, other solution not listed was meant to be chilean... so still 4x more Islanders prefer to become Chilean instead of Argentine, even Chile never had the aspiration to annex them.
Argentine politics to seduce... what should we think about it? xD
LightThink - luckily Falkland islands Govt and officials dont either!(other than we all have personal current accounts there) Govt investments are handled elsewhere.Sep 08th, 2012 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There does not seem to be a clean bank these days I agree - luckily for us it was Standard Chartered USA who seem to be the smelly guys and not SCB London
1986...old news now, no? =)Sep 09th, 2012 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
OOps!Sep 09th, 2012 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
“Argentine Sovereignty – 0.3%”
That is something...
You've got a long way to go, Danyboy! lolSep 09th, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@17 Pete BogSep 09th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
As in the recent case of the Turks and Caicos Islands where there were allegations of serious corruption within their government back around 2009 and their government was dissolved by the UK government.
In this case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_and_caicos) the return to a full democracy will occur after an election (also presumably overseen by the Elections Commission) in November this year
29Sep 09th, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
i have a friend who is Dutch,(his wife Irish) 'son works for Standart Chartered UAE (Gulf) office as an expert...but i havent attain him to ask anythings about bank's regional countries affairs.
probably assertions are true.....if it is true the problem is plaguesome for US.
These referendums...are not democratic. There are no choices offered..Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
What do the british living in Malvinas know about the continent? nothing ...but nazi propaganda, sorry, monarchy propaganda I meant..
Go fool someone else...
#33 What an interesting case, it seems independence, union with Jamaica or union with Canada(!) would all be realistic decolonisation schemes for this BOT...Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@36Sep 09th, 2012 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Better BOT than BOTOX, I always say.
35 ... No nazis in Falklands, Rg government welcomed / hid thousands of Nazi Scum after Ww2, what a proud history you have. dr Joseph Mengele remember him...Sep 09th, 2012 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
oh dear BK the green eyed monster again, take your phot of the botox queen and some tissues and give yourself a good seeing to. You hate losing a debate don't you? Next year you'll slip back into insignificence once the islanders vote by a huge majority to remain a BOT and rgenweener slips back into being a third world country because of your ignorance and blind loyalty to someone who will be living in a villa in Jamaica off ill gotten gains from the people who you supposedly support, but i dare say you'll be there wiping her and Tinmans arse and popping out for the odd mcdonalds for the fat boySep 09th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@39Sep 09th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Maximo would then become the first Elephant Seal to find its way onto a Jamaican beach
@40 lolSep 09th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#39 who will be living in a villa in JamaicaSep 09th, 2012 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Maybe in the Turks and Caicos Islands of Jamaica by then =)
@42Sep 09th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Why is uniting with Jamaica such a good thing in your eyes Mr traitorous BK? The people of that BOT have always wanted to be British and like the Falkland islanders they want to remain British. What gives you the right to 'hope' that they join with Jamaica, why would they?
@ 20 RICOSep 09th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
A bit of topic here in some ways, but I do think that the rights of indigenous peoples in S. America is going to be a much bigger issue in the coming decades, than it has been in the past.
With much of the rhetoric used by Argentina today, being echoed in that debate.
As we say in English “chickens coming home to roost”.
So 0.3% voted for argentina obvioulsy a clear majority we will packmare ags then toodle pip :)Sep 09th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#43 I didn't say hope. But Jamaica is closer than Canada and the T&C Islands were part of it before. Even Canada is closer than Britain of course. And from my reading of the political situation down there, none of the main parties want to be a BOT forever, the last government (which Britain prorogued in 2009!) was elected on a pro-independence (eventually...) platformSep 09th, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@36BK Agreed.Sep 09th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The Jamaican idea would seem best logically. I can't see the point of being part of Canada but it will be their choice. If there is strong enough demand from their population, I'm sure they will be offered a referendum on the issue.
@46Sep 09th, 2012 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
But thats the whole point Mr BK, despite being elected with a nationalist agenda the support for independence in that territory has never been high. Surely you as a fellow Brit and as a Scot would be familiar with this kind of situation?
@47 I ought to just clarify my previous comment (lack of edit facility is a real pain)Sep 09th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
A change of status would only be in the people wanted it. The term decolonisation is really a throwback to 50 years ago IMO and a somewhat redundant word - it makes the assumption that the populace always wish to change the status quo. Sometimes they don't and that's why self determination is a more up to date and accurate word.
Maybe the question this time round should have been Do these Islands belong to the Falkland Islanders answer should always be YES ! Yes ! Yes !.Sep 10th, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Do you think the Islanders should recognise Argentina
The answer should be NO ! No ! No !
I could go on and on and on.
@30 - Yes 1986 is old news, so are the debated events of 1833, but for some reason your Queen seems to think they are very relevant to today.Sep 10th, 2012 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I wonder just how much of Argentina is actualy owned by outsiders. Maybe if the Queen does own land there she should declare the rest . But bieng a democratic believer that would not be the case because by the same token Argentines have likely purchased land in England.Sep 10th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
What matters here is that we Islanders own not just the land but the right to live and work in our COUNTRY the FALKLAND ISLANDS and that right is upheld in international places which we will confirm next March again even though we do not need to because we Islanders already know what belongs to us legaly. This place is our home has been for a very long time. We did not steel it from anyone and likewise we will not let anyone steel it from us.
Only 3,000 retards living in such islands clearly demostrated the british are not interested in having a bigger population....why?...brrrrrrrrrrrr the frigid islands scare the rubbish bloody english men....jejejeSep 10th, 2012 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Gibber, gibber, squawk, cackle.Sep 10th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@24 That's about the fiftieth time you've posted that stupid phrase.Sep 10th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Is this the give peace a chance Argentina that CFK alludes to?
@53Sep 10th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Better a Falkland Islander than an Argentinian any day.
More wealth, better standard of living and better governance.
@53Sep 10th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Jejeje ...more wealth where are the high rise buildings, hotels, shopping centers?
Oh, well, keep the islands you know where!
It is the uneducated just like you Argentines that are the ones who do all the crap comments on mercopress. No wonder your Country are still barbarians because you appear from your lack of knowledge to be still living in the caveman days.Sep 11th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
OR is it because all of you are so bloody jealous of just what we have in our Country. We are actually living in the present century with every bit of modern technology available to us. There are almost two cars per person. Everyone pretty much has mobile phones as well as access to the internet. We do not have unemp. We are rated as one of the top Countries in the world to visit , Argentina does not even come close to that . We don't trash each others homes as Argentines did when they so call came to liberate us in 1982. But above all we have a first class education system which is something Argentina has not otherwise we would not be seeing these deranged people putting such comments on any of the topics on Mercopress.
To sum it up That is why we are where we are today. Argentina is so backward it is trying to drag us down with it. Time now to start growing up and move forward with the succesfull ones Argentina. If your people spent as much effort in putting your own house in order as you do slagging the Islanders Argentina would be today a great Country. But untill you start changing you will stay the same. Stuck in your lost world.
57 2012 (#)Sep 11th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Sep 10th, 2012 - 09:45 pm
I normally don't take any otice of your stupid posts, SussieUS, but this time I feel I must call you out on this one!!!!
Did you know that the wealthiest country in the world has:
2 high rise buildings
0 shopping centres/malls
2 police stations
Get a life SussieUS!!!!!
@59 Simon Zhivago and the rest of the UK teamSep 11th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Las Vegas, NV USA 11:59 am
I have the best life a single argentine woman can have: single, healthy, pretty, finacially secure and residing in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.
Now, is time for you Simon/Zhivago, Isolde Yensere-ly Skare and the rest of the UK team to drop dead!
@60sussieUSSep 11th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
So single now are we, what happened to the American husband then, eh.
Simon68 is right, you need more of a life than slagging off “bloody rubbish old English people” in this forum.
Just a suggestion, as you seem to get more wound up here than you vent anger.
Let Sussie have her fun, after all, she has just admitted ''I have the best life a single argentine woman can have: single, healthy, pretty, finacially secure and residing in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.''Sep 12th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Not in her birthplace of Argentina, a country we are led by other Argentine posters to be a wonderful place to live.
It can't be that good if ''the best life an Argentine woman can have'' is living in a foreign country!
Thank you Sussie for confirming what we suspected all along :)
62 Raven (#)Sep 12th, 2012 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Sep 12th, 2012 - 09:08 am
I must rush in to say that, although it is possibly not THE best place to live in, Argentina is a really nice place to live, at least Patagonia is.
The only real trouble with life in Argentina is the politicians, especially the peronist politicians, who seem to have only one aim in life; to make as much of the population as possible unhappy!!!!!!
60 2012 (#)Sep 12th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Las Vegas, NV USA 11:59 am
I have the best life a single argentine woman can have: single, healthy, pretty, finacially secure and residing in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.
So is that why you are living in USA and not Argentina.?
@28 Other solution not listed – 1.2% some said these were Jamaicans.Sep 12th, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Anyways I'm astonished that there was anyone mad enough to vote for Argentina.
But, as Argieman stated on 25, Argentina only claims are for the land, not the people. As a matter of fact, some 15% of all the Argentinian population is not Argentine, but hold passports from various other countries, mainly those close to us, say, Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Uruguay, Chile & Brazil. Many of these hold double nationalities, though.
(T.I.C.) Falklanders can also choose to obtain a double nationality...
@63Sep 12th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I read a report from Micheal Buerk on the BBC saying pretty much the same.
The conclusions were Argentina is a great country, ruined by an inability to do politics well, or at all in fact.
It seems a shame the populace can't see CFK and her crones for what they are so their problems remain.
Rinse and repeat as the Americans would put it.