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Argentine government says protestors are more interested about what happens in Miami
The Argentine government reacted strongly to Thursday’s massive demonstrations across the country and challenged them to organize in a political party and run for election. However the mayor of the city of Buenos Aires said the protests filled him with “pride” and called on the people to keep confronting the government. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAbal Medina said that “it wasn’t clear what they were claiming” .....What an ignorant man it's pretty obvious they aint fookin happy with a goverment that is rapidly going the way of N. Korea
Sep 15th, 2012 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a typically dismissive comment from an arrogant government.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“they obviously have nothing to do with this government’s policies”.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0WOW!!! it would appear that KFC's party has it's finger firmly on the populations pulse.................. Clowns!!
Well if they are more interested in whats going on in miami then why the hell are they protesting in the first place!!!!
Sep 15th, 2012 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Christ, and us brits thought our government was out of touch with the UK population, but argentina's government take the piss for sure lol.
@3 It is understandable that their first response is denial. For years CFKC's government has been blatantly lying to the public and getting away with it. Anyone intelligent - and even her supporters - didn't necessarily believe the lies but, importantly, it didn't really impact on their life. So, emboldened by 'getting away with it' , CFKC feels invincible - even placing herself on a level with God - and has pushed further and further.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now the public are feeling the impact of her gross mismanagement of the economy. They feel the inflation in their own weekly struggle to feed their families. They see evidence of more violent crime. They can see that their freedom is being eroded.
Apathy is the reason corrupt governments can abuse their position of power, but this government has pushed too far. Acting arrogant is only going to inflame the public even more.
“Regarding the amount of people that participated of the march in the capital Buenos Aires, he said that “the President did not receive many votes from those neighbourhoods were the concentration was bigger, as in Recoleta”, which is one of the highest income districts of the city.”
Sep 15th, 2012 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0How does he know where they came from? They make an awful lot of assumptions these Kirchneristas.
CFK and her goons in government are clearly rattled by the size of the demo
Sep 15th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Q for Simon ... what sort of bloke is Macri? ... would he be an improvement or just more of the same?
Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, she is only president to the 54% who voted for her? She can ignore the rest of the population? How arrogant.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another loudmouth trash talking goon just like the pricks of Moreno, Fernandez and Etchegaray.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0What else you can expect from an arrogant government?. Comments like these will only infuriate people even more.
Way to go idiots.
Strewth !
Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0C.C. Juan Manuel Abel Medina must be sick, no mention of The Falkland Islands !
Sir Rodd.... what are your views re Macri? Good bloke? More of the same???? Serious question...
Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 I think that they've pretty much shot their bolt in terms of Falklands rhetoric to whip up support from the great unwashed.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're going to have to come up with something else
I must admit my schadenfreud-o-meter is off the scale regarding CFK. I do feel sorry for the decent Argentines out there (ie not the rabid Malvinistas - what goes round comes around for them, I'm afraid)
@12
Sep 15th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a bit complicated, but he's definitely more competent person than the K's and all her bunch of arrogant cronies. I think he could make the difference in the next election if the opposition get it together.
However, i have my doubts about Macri. Believe me, it its impossible to find have an honest politician. What other choice do we have? Carrio, Moyano, Binner? Hell no.
Cristina already lost it and she's out of control.
If she continuous like this, she will be killed before 2015.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is typical of populist leaders. Can anyone remember the Danny Kaye song “Popo the puppet can do anything when somebody else pulls the strings, the strings....”. I hope she remembers the saying: VOX POPULI VOX DEI. This time the people are on the other side. Perhaps CFK is being instructed by her Buddie and mentor Hugo Chavez.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mauricio Macri return the money your family stole from the bank of Italy in the '80. You should be in jail since long time ago.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lucky you are in a generous country like Argentina...
@Dany Berger
Sep 15th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK return the money your family stole from ARgentina in the 00's. You should be in jail since long time ago.
-----Lucky you are in a generous country like Argentina...----
Cristina, Boudou et al are thinking the same thing.
This from BsAs Herald regarding Deputy Mayor María Eugenia Vidal who criticized Cabinet Chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina’s comments regarding Thursday’s massive demonstrations and “hoped that he did not express what the President thinks.”
Sep 15th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““There are a series of measures affecting individual liberties, from the liberty of not being able to leave your house without knowing if you will be alive at the end of the day, to the liberty of deciding that to do with your savings and how much money you will spend if you travel,” she added.”
I think the first sentence of the second paragraph says it all.
If many people think like this they have nothing to lose by forcibly overturning TMBOA and her gang of incompetent crooks if only to remove the perceived threat to their very existence.
From the same article quoted @19:
Sep 15th, 2012 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think that many of those who voted for the President were there in Plaza de Mayo and this is related to the fact that she did not mention these kind of measures during her electoral campaign last year.”
Exactly. She has no mandate from the masses to do what she is doing now.
CFKC seems to forget that many people remember losing everything just 10 years ago. They are not going to sit back and let that happen again.
54% is far from any mandate of the people. For all intense purposes, thats half voted for and half did not. The country is polarized. In each half there is a portion that love her and a portion that hate her. The remainder of those halves are the independent swing voters. If she lost those votes......she's lost her future. To insult them as medina did did not do anything to help cfk. I think the mid term elections will be the loudest message to christina the arrogant.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Not even 54% of the people. Of the 70% of Argentines eligible to vote, about 1/3 did not bother. Of the Argentines that did vote, 54% voted for CFKC. So that leaves a lot of people not voting for her and it appears that a significant proportion of those that did are now regretting it enough to protest against her. She should be more than a little concerned.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 08 Frank (#)
Sep 15th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 15th, 2012 - 11:13 am
Frank, I agree with Sir Rod on this, he is of course much more competent than the Kirchnerist rabble, well truthfully Mickey Mouse and his friends would more competent than them!!!
The problem is that he is not well looked on outside Bs. As. City. If he were to make a coalition with the FAP and the UCR maybe something could come of it, but, and it is a big BUT, these groupings don't last because there is less agreement than disagreement between the ideologies.
This is the great political problem that peronism has brought to Argentina, it has basically destroyed the political landscape, leaving only lots of small power centres that attract and then repel each other.
It is quite probable that the protests will become more vociferous, and unfortunately more violent, and that they will end in the demise of the Kirchnerist plague, but I'm afraid that the opposition is so atomized that whatever appears as a “government” will not last!!!!!
Elaine also, if she had the smallest amount of intelligence she would have been issuing conciliatory words to the protesters, even if she was just blowing smoke at them(not that I like her). But instead, she sends out her chief of staff to insult the people. That goes far to comfort them.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 Captain Poppy (#)
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:04 pm
Remember, Captain, Kretina is NOT a politician she is a power grabber. She was meant to be interim president for Nestor the Fester. When she killed the bugger she became the “eternal” Kretina.
So her political “stupidity” is quite understandable. She f*cks off to Santa Cruz without a word and leaves Abal Medina to lie to everybody. Typical Kretina reaction to bad news!!!!
The country is in such a mess that I do not believe anybody replacing her can correct, within the next 10 years, the harm which has now been done.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you are correct Simon......but when she leaves, the first step in anew direction is always a good way to start. I just hope for the Argentine people that Thursday turnout across the country empowered them to turn out even more in October and every month until the mid term elections.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot imagine that insulting them will back them down at this point.
CFK is in a mess that was started by Nestor. The next President will have to fix the countries indexes, pay the Paris Club, come to terms on the holdouts, deal with the inevitable lawsuits over the GDP and Indexed Inflation bonds, pay the ICSID judgements and deal with the WTO and remaining ICSID suits. It is a very big list but all will have to be accomplished BEFORE they are let back in the world financial markets.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think there is anyone on the horizon that can deal with all of that and the inevitable draconian measures that need to be taken with their Federal Budget.
I think this is going to take at least a generation to work out and maybe more.
Bolivia is going to look like a paradise to them shortly.
Dropping all these trade protectionist measures would make an instant improvement to the economy would it not?
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFKC has to go. She is viewed as too unstable and irrational, so investment in Argentina is unlikely.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes thats what I meant. Change of 'government' and the market opened up.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Theres no way in a million years CFK is going to back down on these protectionist measures because that is the essence of KIrchnerismo
That's so true citizens in San Juan support CFK reelection while this protest didn't even present an alternative leader, I was really looking forward to see a political figure present itself to replace CFK, I think the current government can benefit from amending the constitution to allow for reelection as well as a mid term referendum. The meaning of democracy is exactly that, being able to change and do it democratically, not through revolution followed by anarchy as this movement seem to aim for.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The protectionist measures can't be lifted until either they export more (don't see that happening) or Int'l financial markets are open to them again (loans) which goes back to my post above.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are in a huge mess and CFK is too stupid to figure out how to get out of it.
@32 Pirat-hunter did you miss the protestors in San Juan? maybe this image will help you
Sep 15th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i.imgur.com/DdDJc.jpg
If a constitution needs to be amended it was poorly written to begin with. Especially if it needs to be amended to allow a leader to continue on in more terms as a leader.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one in the pro peronist camps want to admit or believe the size of the protests. They keep ranting it is the rich elitists in Recoleta. The government really hates it's own people from Buenos Aires city.
#32 - Obviously you do not understand democracy - “I think the current government can benefit from amending the constitution to allow for reelection as well as a mid term referendum. The meaning of democracy is exactly that”??? The government of a democracy cannot amend its constitution. It is the foundation of a democracy and can only be amended by a referendum of all the people.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 Pirat-Hunter
Sep 15th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you on drugs? the constitution is the foundation of democracy. It is something that NO party can re-write according to what they agree / dis-agree with. You abide by the constitution or you are not in power, simple as.
You are exactly what is wrong with Argentina, too many sheep, too many people brainwashed.
Simon 68 is about the only clear thinker in Argentina on this site, you would do well to listen to what he's got to say. Now hush, the adults are talking.
Cabinet Chief Juan Manuel Abal Medina, hes pretty dismissive of everything to do with the march, and seeing as hes the party chief im assuming this is the official party line.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 032
not through revolution followed by anarchy as this movement seem to aim for.
wtf you talking about? they were banging pots and pans lol
As long as it diverts attention from the Falklands, who cares.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their country, their problem,
And only they can solve it,
Is this not true.
“Abal Median stated that “some demands” ... “they obviously have nothing to do with this government’s policies”. ... it wasn’t clear what they were claiming”
Sep 15th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In short: Inflation, no third term for the president against the constitution, high crime rate, import restrictions on life saving medicine, unavailabilty of foreign currency - obviously, Abal Median thinks that if he closes his eyes, the real world isn't there any longer.
I was sent these links from a friend, who told that cars all over microcentro (downtown) also honked their horns.
Cacerolazo en Mendoza capital 14 de septiembre 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8RmZ9KlI8
Masiva protesta en Mendoza contra el Gobierno nacional: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8RmZ9KlI8
Many thanks Sir Rodd and Simon..... nice to see rational debate and comment on Mercosur...
Sep 15th, 2012 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hehehe
Sep 15th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sir Rodd/Simon68/Zhivago/CraigR/
Conqueror/Captain Poppy = same crap bloody english wimps!
Finally the people of Argentina are telling CFK they have had enough. Kinda brings back memories of the 1982 era when Arentine leaders in an attempt to kep controll invaded our homeland. But that did not work out for them. Wonder what the CFK govenment will use to distract the moment this time.
Sep 15th, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their resources are limited to something internal, perhaps class warfare inside argentina. The government seem to hates the educated and working class.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32 prvates-hunter
Sep 16th, 2012 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your real name is ALEX VARGAS, you are on several forums.
On your FB page you have admitted to being a petty thief and vandal.
You are a troll and general malcontent, though you live amidst plenty, (likely at your parents home) in CANADA.
You do NOT live in Argentina.
Alex Vargas from Canada ? He's on facebook?
Sep 16th, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@44 'The government seem to hates the educated and working class.' They would be the thinking class that can see through the bullshit.... the poor, the under 18s, and the bolivians who have just got off the bus can be bought for a few pesos....
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you in my country the party that plays the 'free beer' card the day before the election always boosts its chances.
@46 Poppy
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Ken Ridge” gave me that info.
I did some google searches for AV and found him on one or two forums. Same PH style and derision, along with pictures. In his 20's with wispy chin hairs and silly retro-60's straw hat (currently somewhat fashionable).
It was late at night, can't remember the site - likely if I wanted to waste the time, I could find them again.
As for FB, there is only one Toronto-area AV that I could find, a musician, but appears to be moderately successful and travels to the UK a lot. Couldn't be our guy LOL
He may have taken down his FB after it was mentioned on here.
However, looking at PH/AV's posts, he is definitely in Ontario, Canada. Likely outside of Toronto. Scarborough perhaps.
He will turn up - he's too vain to keep his yapper shut.
@ 32 Pirat-Hunter
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“not through revolution followed by anarchy as this movement seem to aim for.”
Let us hear your version of how Argentina became independent from Spain.
As far as I am informed, it happened through a revolution.
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The only way I see for Argentina to become a real democracy and get rid of its corrupt politicians, is that all (at least most of the) ordinary people join the political party of their choice, oust rotten candidates, select better ones and keep them on a tight leash, meaning throw them out if they misbehave.
Its not the poor long suffering middle class .... the RG guvment is the one interested in what is going on in Miami...
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/realestate/argentines-turn-cash-into-condos-in-miami.html?_r=0
Long Live independent Quebec Republic !
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Multi-àge république indèpendante du Quèbec. !
CFK is closely aligned with that nut case in VeneCuba and she sees him as a hero. She is an autocrat of the same order. And he is destroying his country. Read the Globe and Mail to see what he has done to PDVSA...its bankrupt...and can't pay its suppiers. And they made 225 billion last year!!!
Sep 16th, 2012 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52 Indeed, she speaks to him almost daily, so she says. Another reason that indicates she can't actually run a country; she needs a husband, a son, another dictator - all men - to tell her what to do. Not at all a role-model for women.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Nothing from the Trolls.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmm, they have all retreated again.
Getting new scripts??
I would love to hear from Toby so I can ask him about the 20,000 robberies in Mendoza so far this year. He goes on and on how safe it is there...
Sep 16th, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lanacion google tranlate
MENDOZA. - Fifty-three homicides and 20,000 robberies reported. More to a city like Mendoza, where traders choose to serve behind bars and where neighbors never tire of asking more police.
“Getting new scripts??”
Sep 16th, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Getting new fake identities, more likely.
53 homicides in a city of 1.2 milion? Where 90% of those are crimes of passion or crime on crime?
Sep 16th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, don't you hate when facts mess up your script? How many times have you been robbed? Not counting your dignity.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What facts? Mendoza is safer than most of the big cities in your desolate excuse for a country.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And unlike your cities, it doesn't smell like homeless drunk piss.
Well since you have never been outside of Mendoza I would guess you don't know how any other city smells. First go to your own cities, try going to Retiro and seeing raw sewage in the sidewalk drains...that smells lovely!
Sep 16th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or La Boca with the black Riachuelo river mmm love to smell toxicity in the morning! http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2011/05/slow-clean-up-for-argentinas-worst.html Isn't BA pretty!
If you want to see it give me your address and I'll send you $50 I know you don't make enough to get yourself to B and back. Oh wait CFK stopped all PayPal transactions too...oh sorry.
We are not the country where in the 1960s and 1970s rivers CAUGHT FIRE!! :)
Sep 16th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah but we learned and cleaned it up. What are you 50-60 years behind the civilized world? Probably.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go take a look at La Boca or Tigre...thy're is filthy, smelly, black and TOXIC!! People have been dying for YEARS because of the water and yet it goes on and on. BTW do you think the cancers meds the people need because of those rivers are caught in Customs? Probably.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlHiaZFvcXA
Sep 16th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at how clean and pristin the USA has always been! HAHAHAHAH
We will learn when we want to, not when you want to. When will you learn not to blow your brains outs? We did 30 years ago. I'd say you are a bit behind huh.
I took part in the Massive Protest on Thursday and for all the right reasons! Therefore if the Government of CFK will ignore the claims, in conclusion it’s her lost not ours. Nevertheless, the Grand Majority of Argentinians who weren’t only of the Middle class , although of Working class ,Students and those with dignity left to claim for their basis rights ,and to tell The President Cristina F.K to Stop using our National TV Canals to insult our Country and disrespecting the Nation with her Statements of threats. And above all we are not Afraid of her! We consider ourselves Argentinians Regardless of our Social Status. We are all sick and tired of all the Lies of INDEC, Impunity ,Injustice, UN Inequality Insecurity , and Inflation & Instability of the Economy of this Government. And the Government pretending not to notice, the worse of all ,she thinks those with different points of views are her enemies, and she has no considerations for anyone accepts her selfishness ,pride. Consequently C.F.K is trying to impose dictatorship concepts upon the citizens , by taking away our basis rights. Although Argentina is not Cuba or Venezuela, Argentina is supposed to be a Democratic Nation, provided everything she and her government done since her re election has so little to desire.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nevertheless I voted for President Christina F K during the last re election , I felt empathy when her husband passed away . I truly thought she was going to make a difference, if I give her my vote of confidence. But I regret my decision today. I’ve heard comments in Newspapers and on the News, and even on this site, that massive protest was done by the middle class because they are worried about not having the dollar bills and vacation they desire , but its not so, am not rich, I am a working class like the majority in the march were, and all we want is to be heard, and not be ignored like this President has done since her re election.
Toby, That was from the last CENTURY. We learned that how to keep our waterways from poisoning people. Why can't you? Are you too stupid, lazy or corrupt? Gotta be one of those. Which is it?
Sep 16th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus La Boca and Tigre are billed as TOURIST DESTINATIONS!! Good Grief! I guess it is stupidity....
@64 Ame
Sep 16th, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for that honest and revealing post.
CFK does not want to listen, but hopefully the rest of the world hears the truth.
I wish the best for the people of Argentina and I hope you get some responsible government that will make your country great, and a prosperous part of the global community.
Wishing you well in the October protests.
CFK, La Campora, and their theiving cronies have to go.
Good Luck
#34 no, I didn't miss anything, I decided to view it from a more positive angle, the pessimist hysteria from outsiders and minority groups isn't going to help anyone.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v6/newsworld.php?id=694627
#35, #36, #37 USA changed the constitution of both Afghanistan and Iraq for democracy to take place, according to the world pessimist hysteria Argentina needs to come back to democracy, and what better way then the one most commonly used by democratic states.
#38 try banging pots and pans on the streets in Canada without a permit and you will end up in jail. The one on drugs is you.
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/27/g20-rioters-toronto-protests
#40 I am sure you are hoping for An Argentine economy with hyperinflation as it was before the K's took power.
#41 I love your good sense of sarcasm. Keep it up.
#42 you can tell them apart by the bias stand on international affairs.
#43 don't wonder anymore CFK has to do nothing but keep doing what she is doing. As there is no alternative candidate to replace her, the re-election campaign is to allow for her to run the next election again and not to remain there as president.
#44 so in your opinion Menem did a lot better for the educated and the working class.
#49 correct and CFK is that political leaders Argentina voted for.
66 Troy Tempest (#)
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks for your feedback, I hope so too.
Argentie Government could be rightful on saying that the protestors are more interested about what happens in Miami !
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are the any protestings in Miami which we cant hear from media?
what can be ?...........what can be ?
propabably the student protestors from the reason why every single years,millions of young adults head off to college and universities all over USA full of hopes and dreams,but what most of those fresh faced youngsters do not realize is that by taking on “” student loans“” debts they are signing up for a life of debt slavery.Student Loans debt bubble clutttered up the financial lives of tens of millions of young college graduates.
@ 57 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“53 homicides in a city of 1.2 milion? Where 90% of those are crimes of passion or crime on crime?”
(53 is 01 january through 31 July 2012, seven months)
845 000 habitantes in Gran Mendoza (censo 2010) = SmallTown, not BigCity.
Crimes of passion or crime on crime are the most common causes everywhere.
53 / 8.45 / 7 * 12 = 10.75 of 100 000 or
more than 2.5 times US (4.2 of 100 000)
more than three times the Argentine average (3.4 of 100 000)
almost 9 times UK (1.2 of 100 000)
almost 12 times Danmark (0.9 of 100 000)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate
Yankee have you noticed that Tit never responds to anything that is ever brought up to him, he only looks for snipits of old information from either wikipedia of utube. Makes you wonder what kind of educators they have at la campora these days?
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe fatsimo the Fat Fucking kirchner choked on a few Big Macs and they have an interim leader.
68
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you are one of the real argentines, that are waking up to her lies,
And the crap from her supporters like [pirate hunter] above, and a few others who are so anti brit, that they forget, that their interest should be Argentina,
Your country first,
And forget about being anti or the Falklands,
And make Argentina great and respected again.
Still,
We bet pirate hunter is getting very nervous .
The waters very cold.
@64 Thanks for that interesting contribution.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think many of us believed it was the rich and upper middle class out protesting and complaining about not being able to access dollars to buy homes in Miami. Your President would love that to be true as she rants against anyone rich, conveniently forgetting how rich she is since the Kirchners took power.
CFK(C) is arrogant and believes she is indispensable, a foolish mistake to make by anyone in power. I hope she listens to the people she is serving.
72 briton (#)
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not puppets that she can move about whenever she pleases. We are part of this Country, and we are paying her for a service with our taxes, and it’s her duty as the Argentina President, to listen to each opinion whether negative or positive, and to govern all the sectors, whether they voted for her or not. However, she is not our enemy ,although she should be setting an example as the head of our Nation, and meditates on what the Massive march and claims are trying to tell her.
In conclusion ,her pride is blinding her. However, I read a comment on this site saying politicians were behind this march. Well I don’t need any corrupt politician to manipulate me like a puppet. However , I am aware of what’s wrong and right. In conclusion I know when I can take no more.
@ 67 Pirat-Hunter
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the pessimist hysteria from outsiders and minority groups”
You forgot “foreign agents”, “false flag officers”, “instigators of riots” and similar despotic language about dissatisfied citizens.
Like my rich friends who spend 2 or 3 hard earned pesos a week in a locutorio in Las Heras, Mendoza to send me an email about how things are in Argentina?
Rich people who live three generations in 5 rooms to make ends meet.
@7o
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You f-fling moron, those 53 homicides are in ALL the province, the province has 1.7 million, and you are wrong on your city stats... some areas around greater Mendoza are not counted in the population, but tend to be included for social statistics.
The fact you say it's a “small town” proves how f-ing out of your mind your hatred and bigotry leads to to be. Mendoza would be one of the main cities in Canada you twarp.
So why don't you perform honest arithmetic? (calculus to you), and divided that murder rate into the correct provincial population? Ah, you idiot, gotcha.
@ 76 Truth_Telling_Troll with the desperate language and a blood pressure of 4 atmosphere
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you had read my postings, you would have known that I lived three years in Mendoza and only left last April.
AFAIK there are no big cities in Canada, the largest town is Toronto with 5.5 million.
Toby, Mednoza is a small town, you may not think so since you have never been anywhere but those of us who travel can see it for what it is. A small backward 3rd world provincial capital. I just never figured it was so dangerous! 20,000 robberies and the year isn't over yet! It must be really scary to walk around there.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you live in La Gloria? Is that why you are so bitter?
Según INDEC - according to INDEC
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gran Mendoza componentes = municipalities which make up Greater Mendoza:
Guaymallén: [1]. 223.365
Godoy Cruz: [2]. 182.563
Las Heras: [3].. 169.248
Capital: ....... 114.822
Maipú: [4]....... 89.433
Luján de Cuyo:[5] 73.058
Total: ......... 852.489
[1] Guaymallén, Dorrego, Las Cañas, San José, Pedro Molina, Bermejo, El Sauce, Buena Nueva, Nueva Ciudad, General Belgrano, Jesús Nazareno, San Fransisco del Monte, Capilla del Rosario, Villa Nueva.
[2] Godoy Cruz, Presidente Sarmiento, San Fransisco del Monte, Las Tortugas, Gobernador Benegas.
[3] Las Heras, Panquehua, El Zapallar, El Plumerillo, La Cienaguita, El Resguardo, Capdeville, El Challao. Desde el censo 1991 abarca también Alto del Algarrobal.
[4] Maipú, General Gutiérrez, Luzuriaga, Coquimbito.
[5] Luján de Cuyo, La Puntilla, Carrodilla, Mayor Drummond, Chacras de Coria, Vistalba, Las Compuertas.
@77
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, well, if big cities are only those above 6 million people, then yes, there are very few big cities in the world. Only 3 or 4 n North America, and and 3 or 4 in South America.
So Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, San Francisco, Boston, Seattle, Washington, Philadephia, Monterrey, Guadalajara, Bogota, Santiago, Lima, Curitiba, Porto Alegre, Brasilia, Belo Horizonte, Montevideo... they are all small, backwards small towns as well.
@78
All I can tell you is I can go to college without people fearing I will come back in a coffin, or go to watch a movie (though I don't go watch movies), without expecting a mass panic to go off because people hear two people arguing and think their brains will be splattered, or go to a shopping mall and expect to at least come out with my life from it.
Sadly you can't say the same can you?
#77 just curious......5.5 miliion is not a large city? If thats the critera we only have one USA city that breaks 5 million.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankee are crimes of passion murders no longer a crime? SOme interesting crime stats.....I wonder why more women are inprison in argentina? Surprisingly, the USA is only slightly ahead of argentina in murder stats per capita. I find it interesting that argentina is number 1 in robberies. 7 times more robberies than in the USA.
St.John, you've noticed as well that TiT is losing his composure as it shows in his word choice, insults and the bfact he is incapable of linking any other source than wikipedia and utube.
I think that the combo of mom puslling off her nipple and la campora probably threatening him with voilence, he is under increasing pressure to get someone.....anyone to believe what he types.
http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Argentina/United-States/Crime
@ 76 Truth_Telling_Tonto
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mendoza, una ciudad cercada por el delito”
La CIUDAD, no la provincia.
“Mucho para una ciudad como Mendoza, donde los comerciantes optan por atender detrás de las rejas y donde los vecinos no se cansan de pedir mayor presencia policial.”
“A lot for a town like Mendoza, where the merchants choose to serve/work behind bars and where neighbors never tire of asking for more police presence.”
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1508911-mendoza-una-ciudad-cercada-por-el-delito
@82
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 053 homicides in all the province, that is how the statistics are measured by the police, whether you like it or not.
Which doing quick math would give a homicide rate of 5 per 100k. Could be much better, but it is much better than most of the world including many backwards small towns in the USA like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Miami, Philadelphia, etc.
And in Argentina we don't try to assassinate political figures, or have mass shootings at shopping malls. That's for disturbed places like Canada.
Toby, There is more crime in Argentina than in the USA so give up trying to eek out stats that don't exist. Most people in the USA don't live behind bars, gates or walls. We don't worry about exiting a bank, taking $ out of Atm in fact where I grew up we didn't even have keys to lock our house! Every single one of my friends in BA has been mugged at least 1x in his/her life.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One thing we absolutely don't have is mobs of vigilantes killing and burning down houses or business. At least 1x week that happens somewhere in that gosh forsaken place.
Cap, Rgs think violent crimes of passion ( against women such as rape, murder) don't count for some reason. Maybe they think they deserve it or since they know each other it isn't really a crime? I have no idea,
I do know crime stats are WAAAAY under reported especially crime against tourists. The US embassy is actually quite concerned.
@83 - Tobias
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
True I suppose. You only have a history of mass murder and dictatorship. Is it any wonder that the people of Argentina are worried about the government rewriting the constitution allowing a 3rd term for the President, the very thing that the constitution was written to prevent.
The longer someone is in power the more it goes to their heads, and the more likely it is that there will be a return to dictatorship.
The people of Argentina have 30,000 reasons not to want to risk anyone taking power again, and this muppet government better wake up and start listening to the people they're meant to represent.
So Tit American's are afraid to go to college and movies for fear they will be killed. Please substantiate that stat or find another tit to suckle because since mom pulled your off hers you saying even more ridiculous things since. I would have thought that if they were so much fear to go to college that enrollments would not have increased......again. Movie sales have not decrease either.......why is that if there is all this fear we have that you state????????
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-poll-25-percent-americans-hesitant-movie-colorado-shooting-354948
@85
At least we know our issues. Sad part is you think the UK is really a democracy, and that you have control over your politicians. That's why you only go to war when the reasons are utterly required, and you are never led into pointless bloodshed... hahahaha.
@84
Violent crime is much higher in the USA, which is why you are warned before leaving Argentina if your destination is that junk joint with a ministry warning about firearm killings.
@ 83 Truth_Telling_Tonto
Sep 16th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“53 homicides in all the province, that is how the statistics are measured by the police”
The source clearly says “Mendoza, una ciudad ...”
Is it impossible for the police to count the number of homocides in the town alone?
Do you have a better source for your claim that the number is for the entire province?
I yes, then let's se it. If not, stop fantasizing.
@88
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny you always demand proof from me, but you never provide any sources for the crap you say about Canada, or yankeeboy spews about the USA. Just a slight bigotry perhaps, suggesting you north americans are not liars and we are?
http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2011/1/9/tercer-consecutivo-bajo-indice-homicidios-provincia-544023.asp
It clearly states: for the third straight year the homicide totals for Mendoza PROVINCE have gone down:
2008: 131
2009: 119
2010: 109
2011? = 106
http://www.losandes.com.ar/notas/2011/1/9/tercer-consecutivo-bajo-indice-homicidios-provincia-544023.asp
So much for the deceitful and dishonest bullcrap spewed here.
And 53 homicides in the first seven months, but only something like 15-20 since. Which means it is likely this year 2012 will close for the FIFTH YEAR on the decline... at the current rate at around 100.
But why would I tell you all to let the facts stop the fun? If it makes you all feel better about the sorry state of your nation's society and economy, by all means, pretend Argentina is worse. :)
Oh my God Tit do you ever wipe you ass? Hollywood Reporter right after the shootings! Close your mouth now wipe your ass and get a real statistic........and one that shows Americans are not going to college because they are afraid?
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0btw 2011 movies sales 9/16/11 YTD 7.5 billion 2012 9/16/12 YTD 7.8 billion YTD
@90
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just provided you “HARD” statistics. Five years in a row the homicide rate in Mendoza is going DOWN. What will your pathetic excuse be now, in order to not give Mendoza police or the citizens any credit for the murder rate falling? I'm sure you will come up with a very boring way to deny it.
And as I said, since I never lie but YOU do, and just did, the 53 homicides are the entire province of 1.7 million. You were caught so now go put out the fire in your pants.
@ 89 Lying_Tonto
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you never provide any sources”
I do nothing but - as in # 82
Perhaps you should get treatment for your severe mental problems?
Homicide rate in Mendoza down 35% in 5 years. Eat it :)
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Political instability in Canada, up 1000% in just two weeks. Eat it after eating the last one.
@ 93
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0statistics ending 2010 - two years ago.
Idiot who was talking Mendoza......not me! I could give a asses pimple about mendoza. I never talked anything about mendoza. WHere WHERE in this thread ANYWHERE did I say ANYTHING about mendoza murders? If I lied please show me where I lied> INDEC lies....ass lips kirchner lies......peronist assholes lie. You are one confused la campora troll. Your mother really fucked you up.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey where's buddy yankeeboy? I mean I thought we had agreed to try to make this somewhat of a fair fight: captain bobby, yankeebroke, and St. Jock combined against me.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still room for another one to join you. I think 4 of your brains against my superbrain would be about even. Get Conqueror to join to, his lone half-noetic neuron adds nothing anyway.
They you go again make a mistake and rather than manning up to it insult your way out like a....... forget it, you're nnot wi=orth the effort.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=10748
BTW....they never tell that to my in laws when they leave argentina to visit us here in the USA?
@97
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do in Mendoza for flights in transit via Santiago to the USA. They also state that if you rent a car, you must lock your car at gas stations and not leave belonging inside, as it is a common crime in the USA for others to open the passenger side and take purses and computers because people leave them on that seat.
@ 91 Lying_Tonto
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I just provided you “HARD” statistics.”
You provided a link to a newspaper article, same as I, so I just provided you “HARD” statistics.
I notice that the murder statistics from el 'Ministerio de Justicia y Derechos Humanos' end in 2009, you have to wonder why.
Why do you keep blabbering about Canada?
Personally I rarely mention it - why should I? I've never been there.
I am afraid it's your third brain cell - the one you had implanted - that is causing you problems. I suggest you have it removed again. - hope they marked it, so they don't remove one of the two you were used to.
@99
Sep 16th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, so that is the excuse. The statistics end in 2009. No they don't, they end in that article in 2010, first of all. So lie number 1.
Then in the next article that I provided, it said the murder rate for 2011 would end at around 106. I don't have time right now to find an article with the official stat, I would have to search the paper archives.
But then you have your own self-provided article that said in the first 7 months of 2012 there were 53. Assuming the same number of murders happen in the last 7 months, that equals 106.
106 matches nicely with the numbers provided by the other articles I provided, so there is complete credibility in my numbers and statements, and full discredit of your lies.
So, for 2012 we can expect in Mendoza a total of between 100-106 homicides, which would at worst be a steady level, but likely the 5th year of decline.
So much the propaganda huh? I suggest you all stick with the countries you know, of Argentina you know even less than you know about female anatomy.
@ 81 Captain Poppy
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“St.John, you've noticed as well that TiT is losing his composure as it shows in his word choice, insults and ...”
As I wrote in # 99, I am afraid it's her third brain cell, the one she had implanted.
How do I know TTTonta is a female?
La hembra de la especie es más malévolo que el macho.
The female of the species is more malevolent than the male.
[74]
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you keep up the good work,
and you may well get a better leader.
@ 100 Truth_Telling_Tonta
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So lie number 1. ...”
I have just shown that you tell nothing but your own lies and fantasies. Drank too much Fanta instead of milk when you were a suckling little piggie with a pink ribbon around your neck, did you?
@104
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fanta and pink ribbons is all you have left to stand on after being embarrassed.
I proved the homicide numbers are for all the province, including Tunuyan, the Uco Valley, and San Rafael.
I proved the numbers are official.
I proved you are a moron.
I proved yankeebroke is a moron.
I prove everyone else here but me is a moron.
Your welcome.
I am afraid it IS your third brain cell - the one you had implanted - that is causing you problems.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you forgotten that your previous posts are on this page for everybody to read and compare. Your #3 cell seems to block your memory.
St John you have to realize the way the la campora trolls work.....in shift's. They are times a chica may fill in on one shift, other shifts may be a chico. One thing is certain is that they are poor, immature, narcissistic, ill-educated (hence the consistent reference to wikipedia, utube and newspapers as proof) and never traveled around the globe.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Noticed how it cried of being picked n by three? Such intolerable cruelty if you ask me.....lol. He is a disgrace to the good, hard working people of Argentina who pays for the mis-management of the country that ass lips kirchner is doing.
#74 Ame keep it up and more power to you and the people. I only hope that October is ten fold larger a turn out.
BKs
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0on the war path.
come to defend TTT, ah ah ah .lol.
He's right, this is a rich man's movement and most of the people are not rich men! Macri looks scary in the picture doesn't he, like a Nazi! Viva Cristina =)
Sep 16th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whay abal medina said is not new, when i heard the arguments of the people who were protesting in plaza de mayo, i realised that it was obvious that those people have always hated the kircher's administration. Anyway, they have right to protest if they dont agree with the government, but what is despisable and repudiable is to express that cristina should renounce, which was manifested by many people, or die, like some reactionary people said too. On the other hand, in all the protests that i saw against c. f. k's gov., people criticised only the denounces of corruption cases that involve her gov., which is absolutly correct, however i never saw any protest to criticise the denounces of corruption cases that involve mauricio macri's government, who is being investigated by the justice, because he is accused of illegal spy, beside some of his former integrants of his government, are also being investigated by the justice, accused of different corruption cases. It shows clearly that those hipocrites who make such a fuss for the denounces of corruption that involve c. f. k's gov., dont care in absolut about fighting against corruption, they are just using that argument, in a hipocrite way, in order to criticise a government that they don't like. If those hipocrites cared about fighting against corruption, they would criticise also the denounces of corruption cases that involve macri's government, and surelly they would protest in front of the government house. On the other hand, many of those people said that in arg. there is not any freedom of press, however they were trasmitted openly not only by the chanels that are against the government, but by the chanels that support it too, beside, they weren't repressed, and there was no any incident. Beside, although i support c. f. k's gov., i have never denied the fact that her gov. has very questionable aspects too, and i have always criticised them and everybody have right to do it, there is a lot more to say about this.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The government news channel was showing a document on birds during the protests. lol
Sep 16th, 2012 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#108
Sep 16th, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know nothing and care less for the internal politics of Argentina. No doubt the good people of the country will sort it out themselves.
To call Mr. Macri “scary” and looking like a Nazi beggars belief.
Just for the hell of it , I showed my wife the picture and asked what she, being unbiased, thought of his looks. She thought that he looked quite distinguished and very presentable. I said nothing else about him.
What is more scary is someone like Timerman. He acts like a clown and looks like one !
Clyde.....I agree. With what the nazi's did during their tenure, the level of destruction on humanity, regardless how bad someone may be in their own opinion..........no one can be as bad as a nazi to be deserving a comparison to a nazi.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@112
Sep 16th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correction, the Nazis were your enemies, not Argentina's. I can understand why you as a Brit would see them as that since they did attack your country, but they did nothing to us.
102 Briton (#)
Sep 16th, 2012 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the feedback, I am confident , things will get better soon, enjoy the rest of your day.
@96 tit
Sep 16th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Hey where's buddy yankeeboy? I mean I thought we had agreed to try to make this somewhat of a fair fight: captain bobby, yankeebroke, and St. Jock combined against me.”
OMG!!! Is tit crying that things are unfair?? Is La Campora's paid troll complaining about underhanded tactics on the forum?? Is tit upset that other posters information links are not intellectually honest???
Wow, how ironic !! LOL LOL LOL
Ame just keep up the pressure. Just do not get in the situation where they rationalize marshal law. You and the good people of Argentina will beat fascism, I am sure of it. la campora is a cancer that can and will be eradicated.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I British or an American Titty....make up your mind. I sense you have a perverted affection to the nazi youth's, but then, I also heard the fatsimo the fat fuck kirchner was fond of the younger boys there.....is that why you are as you are? He get to you before you reached the tender age of ten? You know no better nor nothing else?
Hmmm, the 2009 statistics was made in 2010 and that is the end of them - wasn't that the year INDEC was “reorganised”?”.
Sep 16th, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps 'Ministerio de Justicia y Derechos Humanos' (The Ministry of Justice and Human Rights) no longer trusts data from The Ministry of Truth (Newspeak: INDEC) when it comes to unpleasant facts?
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@ 108 British_Kirchnerist
“Macri looks scary in the picture doesn't he, like a Nazi!”
Oh, so you are an adherent to Phrenology, feeling sure you can judge persons on their appearance.
If that were possible, how can swindlers (who must look unreliable) deceive people?
@117 Sinjin
Sep 17th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh, so you are an adherent to Phrenology, feeling sure you can judge persons on their appearance.”
Hey, don't forget - BK keeps cooing about how lovely he thinks CFK is.
I imagine therefore, he thinks she is a benevolent Dictator, er Dominatrix, er President, who is very trustworthy.
:-)
It says a lot about a country that cannot publish real stats regardless out poor they may be.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0All these peronist blame the World Bank and the IMF for agentina's failures and becoming a worldwide pariah as a deadbeat borrower. But funny how IMF bailed out Brazil, they tightened they belts and turned things around. Not only did they pay off their debt, they did it a year ahead of time. Whats the difference?
1-competence
2-less corruption
3-country first, politics second
Indec is the reason IMF will censure argentina tomorrow.
Troll
Sep 17th, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is political instability in Canada up 1000%? Surely you don't think its because the frogs managed to eke out a minority provincial government. Even when they were the official opposition in the federal government they still had no real power or the ability to sway the province to separate. Most of the Argentine immigrant population here in Toronto comes from Mendoza, I wonder why?
@Zhivago
Sep 17th, 2012 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Most of the Argentine immigrant population here in Toronto comes from Mendoza, I wonder why?”
May be to claim Totonto as an OSAT (Over Seas Argentine Territory) in the near future?
121
Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh, I see, “lebensraum”!
I love when Toby loses arguments and resorts to claiming he is the smartest monkey in the zoo and we are all too dumb to see it. It is fun to watch the progression of desperation and insanity in the posts.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that is one of the main reason I keep coming back :)
CAPTAIN POPPY.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0During the moment of the protest, the event was discussed openly during many minutes in 6 7 8 at 21 hs on the screen of the public television, and it continued being discussed in the following days, beside that day, the protest was showed in the night edition of the news. On the other hand, the public television is not a news chanel, like cn23 (which supports the government), or tn (which is against the gov.), however both transmitted the protests in the moment that they were happening.
@120
Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, you are right, for some reason when people go out of country from Mendoza, they go to Canada, just as much as Italy or the USA. I know because I had a Canadian in my class in elementary school, well, half canadian the mother argentine the father canadian. After the father died, they came back.
Mendoza is after Buenos Aires the city with most ex-pats and actual long term foreign residents. I wonder why they leave paradise to come here.
@ 54
Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to be kidding!
12 USA embassies overseas under attack = Obama & Clinton= FRITOS
4 USA embassies employees dead =incompetent security
....and you cover your arse in Mercopress! jeeeeeeeeeeejeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
What a wimp!
Now Hannibal “Lecter” fernandez claims the protests was a professional protest because they were not “spontaneous”. Does he try to sound stupid or does it come naturally?
Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Rgland gets censured offically in a few hours. Ass lips kirchner called her ministers to meet as she was given the heads up. And to boot, they want to remove argentina from the G20.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/domestic-and-global-pressure-increases-against-argentine-president-cristina-kirchner-170017176.html
@124 Axel
Sep 17th, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did this pro CFK state propaganda program treat the reasons for the caserolazo with respect?
Or did they mock it?
Kindly answer please
@27 Armed professionals, he calls ordinary Argentines wanting to voice their displeasure. This is going to backfire on the government.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the more he opens his mouth the more he insults ordinary people. IS it just more or is the word middle class in argentina a cuss word? It is like the middle class is the enemy and all the middle class in any society are people that are far from rich, but self supporting and relatively educated. Ahhhhhh, I get it now....it's the educated part they hate!!
Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 125
Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mendoza is after Buenos Aires the city with most ex-pats and actual long term foreign residents. I wonder why they leave paradise to come here.”
I have been one of them and know many of the others.
The main reasons are:
1. The healthy climate
2. Most of the Mendocinos are very friendly and well behaved
3. Investments in wineries
Wasn't Abal Medina a terrorist during the 60's and 70's? That makes Juan Manuel Abal Medina....well...go figure!...
Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For CFK is time to get out of Dodge! For those of you not familiar with the expression, you can research it or basically means:
to leave or get out (of anywhere) at once'
Read more: What is the origin of the saying, “Get out of Dodge”? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/70657#ixzz26l8tyMAt
Quick question, do any Rgs care that Anses has been looted?
Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a serious question....
Meanwhile Yankeebobo spending his time here talking rubbish about other nations his lovely country is falling apart with misery a food stamps.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8
Yankee is dumburger capable of anything other than utube? I think dumburger has become the new sussie.....lacks credibility. Why do you suppose ass lips kirchner went in olivios with her economic advisor? I am thinking that they were given advance notice of sanctions?
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@153
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conqueror/Captain Poppy no one is interested in your comments>you have to watch CNN News to see soon all the british embassies will close in the Middle East same like the USA 12 embassies under attack!
As you can see no security. This is the end for Obama & Clinton!
Yankee I think argentina got sanctioned and they just may well be on their way out of G20. They must feel like Paraguay.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh!
Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the American “Dream”?
“The American Dream is over”
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3346/1dream.jpg
60 million people cannot afford to buy food or health care coverage.
5 million Americans had to go abroad to find a job and a decent standards of living.
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3346/1dream.jpg
125 Troll
Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, I always loved Mendoza.
Perhaps being bumped out of the #2 spot in south america will push argentina out of the G20.
Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TOBERS.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The question was treated openly along the rest of the days, i think they did it with respect, and making an ample analysis of the situation, anyway, you don't need to believe what i say, just search it on line, or in the web site of the public television.
On the other hand, i think there is hipocresy and doble standart when some people refer to the chanels that support the government, they are always considered like propaganda, however all those chanels or newspapers that support the oponent politic parties, are never considered like that, in fact, they are considered like independent press. In my opinion, i don't believe neather in neutrality nor in objetivity, i only believe and respect the different ideologies, no matter if agree or not with many of them, but the big difference between the chanels or the newspapers that support the government, and those that are against it, is that the press that supports it, are much more reliable, because they don't distort the information, like the most important chanels and newspapers do with all that is related to c. f. k's government, you can agree or not with what both say, but when i compare them, i realise that the press that supports the government is much mor reliable, beside there are also many critics to the government too.
@139 Zhivago
Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember when you asked me certain questions pretending being a chinese residing in Tierra del Fuego while commenting in The Economist ...“Argentina Cooking Books”...heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeheeeeeeeeeeeeee
lol
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/09/15/argentine-government-says-protestors-are-more-interested-about-what-happens-in-miami#comment164102: In which case the protestors can have nothing to worry about. Either there will be no constitutional amendment or, if there is, CFK will not be re elected.
Sep 18th, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My guess is that what really worries the protestors is that there will be an amendment which allows for a third term and the CFK will be returned with an increased majority.
142 Schizophrenic Sussie
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learn to use your computer, learn html and then make bizarre allegations! I have always used Zhivago and since I am not schizophrenic any other posts are not mine.
Stupid cunt!
Zhivago sussie is desperate and off meds this week
Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha-ha, this week!!!!
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the cyber K's are on meds.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone want to buy properties in paradise wonderful “Destroy” in US for 800 USD?
Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQFtNLvcl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQFtNLvcl8
Ha ha poor is just bad thing but poor, yank and idiot Wow.
That is really bad...
Good old utube....wikipedia. Signs of argentine intelligence. I am beginning to think dumberger is an utubologist. They teach utubology down on the farm.....I mean camp?
Sep 19th, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 03 months to fix your numbers in indec......then cut off from international trade......hehehehe.
#143 Indeed, and I think that will happen, especially if the IMF do something provocative...
Sep 19th, 2012 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think when you combine a third term, and IMF sanctions (virtually stops international trade), and ultimatly international businesses will pack there bags as Paraguay or Brazil will provide an improved and stable political enviroment. Thus could very well push Argentina into a outright revolt against the government. The human spirit can only be pushed so far.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Captain Poppy
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what about your cleaning toilettes family business in Tijuana?
Can't you ever speak intelligently on a real level. Think about what you said and how real that is? What you say exemplifies your reality. The jealously of your cyber K trolls never ceases to amaze me.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is what you really think I do.......prove it? or shut up and move on.
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Sep 19th, 2012 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You prove I am British and the information is all yours.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@155 Conqueror/Captain Poppy
Sep 19th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see, so scare...of retaliation...
come on...stop hiding your testicles!
WHIMP!
Yup that's it.....fear. You got me....damn you're good !! Oh well.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@157 Conqueror Captain Poppy
Sep 19th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said it, you are a wimp UK rubish bloody arse.
Miedoso y asqueroso! Viejo estupido!
So I gave you my info.....why do you need it?
Sep 19th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0y
besar mi culo america skank
When argentina experiences her rebirth after ass lips kirchners demise. I'll raise my glass and think of your pathetic meaningless words.
@ 159 Conqueror/Captain Poppy (ex-patrick deval?)
Sep 19th, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on...how about “your USA”....
.... the economy is getting worst and I repeat with the attacks on 12 USA embassies overseas, you should post your comments on how the USA is going to protect us from the next Taliban attack!
YOU big wimp, miedoso y asqueroso. Viejo estupido!
Somebody help me!! I am a young entrepreneur trapped in this latinamerican jail. :S
Sep 19th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#161 what happened were you captured with U$ dollars !!!!!????? Thats a serious crime!!!!
Sep 19th, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol every European in recoleta is more interested in Miami then Argentina I don't know why the retards get so insulted about the truth, truth doesn't hurt Argentines only outsiders who don't know Argentina get all worked up about it.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear the Falklanders are well on their way to being a very wealthy country with all the oil they are hitting these days. Maybe I will immigrate to the Falkland Islands...........looks like a very interesting country, soon to be wealthy might I add.
Sep 19th, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@163 Prvtes Hunter
Sep 20th, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“only outsiders who don't know Argentina get all worked up about it.”
PP Hunter is an “outsider” too.
All his references are near his home, near Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He jas stated that he cannot return there. Not likely he has any connection with Argentina anymore, or the people who live there.
He is AKA ALex VargasI should take a drive north sometime, it's only a few hours and do some pirate hunting
Sep 20th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@166 poppy
Sep 20th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PH Alex Vargas lives with his parents, still. They are likely listed in the phone book for Metro Toronto
exactly...... no one even respond to him, he's a migrated argentine. We weill freeze his ass off in a Canadian winter. It's bad enough here in Massachusetts, Canada is much farther north
Sep 20th, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His posts have no substance - just a frustrated hateful kid.
Sep 20th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry about this one either - looks like he has no passport (illegal immigrant, criminal record?) and cannot travel to the US
I agree, he is best ignored - a waste of our time.
Sussie bumboy coffee boy is particularly twisted hateful and narcissistic. He likes to brag and lives half in fantasyland. Not much substance in most posts. Others, he is somewhat coherent - two or more La Campora troll operators perhaps??
More of a waste of time, but fun to bait him
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL ...
Whatever is going on behind the scenes, the trolls are a real collection of unbalanced fringe personalities, if not outright mentally-ill :-)
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Sep 20th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@170 sussie @rse lover
Sep 20th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“some “crazy” might chop his testicles.”
“he gets 150 male erections and have these men waiting on a row...”
Yawn, this is getting very old and boring.
Is that all you ever think about?
Poppy,
We should ignore this troll as well, I think.
I argee Troy......I think the imbalance come from way too much shock treatment. 2012 is sussie also. A real nut job that makes absolutley no sense whatsoever also all the time. I wonder what her rambling was that got her comments removed......must have been a dozzy!
Sep 20th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really try to....sometimes it gets me......mostly I do because it can't make a complete thought. I really get a kick out of it wanting my contact info and the fact it thinks I am English. I keep thanking it for the compliment
@164 Poppy
Sep 20th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am hoping Argies get a responsible representational government, bringing hope and prosperity.
Then the Falklands will hopefully be left alone - no more jealous neighbour.
You are correct.....so be a socialist is they want to be.......but the current administration is just corrupt and destructive and destroying other people and they loot the country.
Sep 20th, 2012 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#162 Captain Poppy!
Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a USA bank account with dollars but the ATM gives me devaluated pesos.
I want to emigrate and create a decent company somewhere abroad...
I want to raise kids away from this.
By the way, I was in Boston in winter. Not so bad!!
Sg.caro it was an extremely mild winter this year. Last year we had over 12 feet (about 4 meters) of snow.
Sep 20th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes when you withdraw fron the ATM there give you the currency of the country you are in. What's your business you seek to open?
Well that’s it we are seeing the start up of a new company, yes mates here in Mercopress.
Sep 21st, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sg.caro & Poppy Inc.
Sg. Sales manager and Captain Poppy in finances.
Now they jut have to find what to sale.
Lies, Illusions and Mediocrity perhaps?
Jut not sure what to sale jut yet lol
Sep 21st, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0178 Captain Poppy (#)
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahaha.... I already have a company here but it is based on customers from other countries. It's about web development (and I use Paypal which is going to partially disappear ). I am also developing simultaneously three extra projects:
- TV online
- A kind of Dropbox
- Musicians and songwriters social network (with store and interesting contents).
I have “blogs” since more than 4 years and I worked at multinational tech companies.... ;)
Well I sincerely wish you the best of success. I always love to see the entreprenial spirit and capitalism in action. There's a certain satisfaction of being self employed and working for an income versus working for a paycheck. Perhaps you should open a swiss account...lol
Sep 21st, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Godspeed Sg.caro
@169 Troy Trompet
Sep 21st, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aaaaaaah....keep blaming sussie....I can see you are KNACKERED!
This web site is a Port-A-John for the brits to dump their CRAP!
No one pay attention what “the brits” have to say...remember:
the brits are known as rubbish bloody english people! ALL AROUND THE WOOOOOORRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLD! lol
@180 Conqueror/Captain Poppy/Zhivago/Craig R
same guy posting in The Economist under Argentina Cooking Books.
My comments were selected the most popular!
Viva La Sussie
This is the export business that RGs hope to make money on: the declining soy bean. continues...
Sep 21st, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/112159/soybeans-face-biggest-weekly-decline-in-a-year
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