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Spain dumps Paraguay from the Ibero-American summit not to offend Argentina

Monday, September 17th 2012 - 05:48 UTC
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A top Spanish official made a low profile and unexpected visit to Paraguay last week with the purpose of trying to convince the administration of president Federico Franco to remain absent from the coming Ibero-American summit scheduled for November since Madrid fears his presence could turn the event into a failure. Read full article

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  • Idlehands

    Spain is behaving rather oddly recently. Bending over and puckering up to south America and yet bending over backwards to irritate the Gibraltans. It would seem it is more intent in reclaiming it's position as the leader of the Latin world than it is in playing it's part in the European Union.

    Maybe it has already concluded that it's fate lies outside the EU.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @1 Idlehands

    Or maybe they're just so weak that they're ready to bend over and let anyone shaft them?

    I mean, does South America need Spain? Does South America want to emulate Spain? Does South America want to be lead by Spain?

    I believe that no is the answer to all the above.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Idlehands

    Have you ever heard of “New World Order and power shifting”

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Dany - are you claiming power is shifting to south america???

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    LOL! The New World Order will not move power to South America.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    The power shift is to China - it's a shame India couldn't keep up. They are currently kicking up a stink about a couple of islands “owned” by Japan - a far greater risk of conflagration than the Falklands as the stronger power is the one not in possession of the claim.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    There will be a presentation by Argentina confirming their support of Spain's struggle to reclaim sovereignty of Gibraltar and a similar presentation by Spain confirming their support of Argentina's claim of the Falklands.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    You know for about a century people have been saying 'South America is the future; and always will be'. Great potential but a total inability to realise it.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I assume that Paraguay will ignore the Spanish pleas not to turn up. Does it actually have the power to stop them? Spain is starting to sound rather pitiful

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @ ElaineB

    “You know for about a century people have been saying 'South America is the future; and always will be'. Great potential but a total inability to realise it.”

    Has nothing to do with that, is the same that old people where saying 20 years ago about China and in the next decades will surpass US as a major economy power.

    Economy and military power slowly will shift to developing nations. Why?
    Because international bankers want so, let’s say to keep depriving the world by bringing new actors to the game.

    Asia will be the new power house dominated by China, they need to be feed and row materials and who do you think will sale that stuff to them?

    Yes, developing countries and that is a business that greedy bankers cannot afford to miss.
    They call it “economy re-balancing”...

    And this was already happening since long time ago before the Financial Crisis.

    Here a little road map...
    http://www.die-gdi.de/CMS-Homepage/openwebcms3_e.nsf/(ynDK_contentByKey)/RHIZ-8W9HR9?OpenDocument&nav=active:Veranstaltungen%5CRHIZ-8W9HR9;expand:Veranstaltungen
    http://www.die-gdi.de/CMS-Homepage/openwebcms3_e.nsf/(ynDK_contentByKey)/RHIZ-8W9HR9?OpenDocument&nav=active:Veranstaltungen%5CRHIZ-8W9HR9;expand:Veranstaltungen

    Well you just have an example above “Spain dropping Paraguay from Ibero-American summit to not offend Argentina” or “UK diplomats to not be allowed to participate in SA business even with the support of Canada” in the next 20 years you will se thinks like...

    “UK banned to get new loans do to Argentina no favourable vote in IMF...”

    It is not sad?

    BTW how you Limo? Still paying 250 pesos?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Looks like Dany is still sore about those IMF loans.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Idlehands ....very sore. And argentina will probably get censured today to boot.
    Developing nations may very well play a large role in the future of the world......but what does that have to do with argentina? They are regressing.
    Can anyone explain to me how Brazil borrowed from the IMF, paid back their loans early, an came out of their situation that argentina was in and are now the 5th largest economy in the world, yet argentina defaulted and are in the stats of affairs they are in now?
    Dumburger......can you say pariah? censure?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • vestias

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Argentine government forced the Spanish company Global Exchange to close the eleven offices it was operating,

    Seems Spain has new masters,
    .

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GALlamosa

    Some parts of Latin America have a great furtue in front of them; others parts have a great future behind them. It was ever thus.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Its surprising, since Repsol was largely owned by the Spanish Government, that Argentina, then Mercosur, then Unasur did not run Spain out of the Ibero-American Group.

    In fact, every SA nation should run out every other nation with which it has a grievance of every supranational organisation of which they are mutually part, including the UN.
    This could start the process of getting back to a workable UN

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    People who think China will surpass the USA have no idea what is about to happen there. Their economy is in a shambles, their banks are bankrupt, due for mass layoffs, austerity and they are in the midst of changing gov't.
    I am worried they are going to implode with mass civil unrest and the military will be off creating havoc on their own without taking orders from the central gov't.
    China is a mess and they don't know how to fix it. If they get into it with Japan over some crappy islands we are all in trouble!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    China is rather scary. There are about 350 million Chinese who have not benefited from China's race to industrialize. They see large scale corruption and individuals getting mega rich while they are on the outside looking in.. It almost looks like a precursor for another Maoist type revolution.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Back to topic.

    Spain clearly has no cohesive plan to put into operation.

    The trouble over Gibraltar stems from the Argie look-a-like who loves to use TMBOA tactic of side swerving the people from the real problem, which is the new government are crap.

    Shades of the UK really.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EnginnerAbroad

    Dany,

    Argentina will not have any credible role within the IMF untill it pays its debt off (to the Paris club for a start). I can argree nations likes Brazil, Chile, Peru and other pro western looking nations will begin to see more power on the global scale, but Argentina with its failing economy, natioalistic government, anti-western polcies will struggle to atrratc the kind of foreign investment needed to make it a true global leader. YPF is currently failing in its attempts to attratc the investment it needs for its plans to such a degree they are going to London to try and attract investment from the own enemy. If this was to go ahead we would see a situtation in which Argentine oil and gas would be aprtly owned by British companies, it wont happen but how does it make you feel to know your government is so desperate for money it will beg to enemy and offetr them ownership of its oil resouces?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    Spain knows where the buck stops!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    @20

    Yes the fact that YPF went to -LONDON- of all places to search for investors shows
    1)how desperate they are
    2)A complete lack of integrity
    3)How shambolic the 'government' is

    Does that fill you with pride Dany Campora?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    It hasn't happened yet - they arrive on 24/9

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9542456/Argentina-seeks-UK-funds-for-expropriated-oil-group-YPF.html

    I assume they like being laughed at.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    I don't know where power is shifting, but I do know it ain't shifting to the EU or UK!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tobers

    'YPF IS ARGENTINIAN!'

    'A-R-G-E-N-T-I-N-I-A-N!!!'

    'err... can we have some money please Mr foreigner (who we continue to insult). Oh and by the way Las Malvinas still belong to Argentina'

    How does one rationalize this behaviour?!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Editor56619

    Now Spain wants to kiss the hand of the dictator who slapped her!

    Don’t the Spanish have ANY backbone?

    They soon forget Franco!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    What's with the British here always talking shit of all other countries? Don't they realized they have lost all their reputation with the Assange, Pinochet, Iraq War, and now with their Royal Family being proffessional porn stars?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    What porn do you watch??

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @27 Awww You always undermine your argument by going one step too far. Don't you realise you have lost all credibility by calling the Royals porn stars?

    You still need to learn a lot about debating. Keep your points reasonable and believable.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    English saying... fool me once.... fool me twice.

    Prince Harry, ok. Prince Harry and Kate... trend makes.

    I hear rumours about the Queen herself... And it is always debating strategy to go one little step too far, that is classic strategy. Though in this case, I didn't.

    Naked pictures of the royals everywhere is porn. Porn is not only y0u Elaine seeking big rods.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I'm perplexed. Has the Truth Telling Troll been pleasuring himself looking at pictures of Kate - or Harry? I'm thinking probably both.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @30 Now you are just being a baby.

    See, your claim that the UK lost ALL credibility on any of the subjects your raised was your first mistake. It is like your claim that no one in the whole of Argentina cares about the Olympics. I only have to present one person that does to shoot down your claim. So, never assert that you speak for the whole of Argentina, or as in your last statement, the whole world.

    If you had said the UK lost a significant amount of credibility over the Iraq War, I would concur (though many would argue against you). Pinochet, I doubt it is an issue known about or even remembered by a significant proportion of the world's population, other than by the countries involved. Assange, you are way off on that one but we could debate it.

    I have not seen one naked picture of any member of the Royal Family so I guess you must go looking for them. Harry's was taken at a private party and was of him naked, that is not actually porn, Catholic boy. Kate was photographed on a private holiday, on a private estate by a grubby photographer from one mile away. That is not porn either, just a gross intrusion of privacy.

    Your insult to me was very childish. How old are you? 14?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    A day of headlines in Argentina:

    Apparently you CAN”T eat well on U$0.85 day says the head of Indec

    Price up 28% yoy in the Central market ( does that mean about 40% for totat economy)
    Bus Driver lost 2 fingers for a cell phone and U$ 8 (how many bus drivers have been killed this year?)

    Bus driver fights with passengers 32 people injured

    Young women are getting abducted by unmarked vans while they are walking down the street

    10 people shot in a Hospital (hmm thought that didn't happen there)

    Anyone know what time the IMF meeting is today?

    Paradise....now do you see why I moved back to the USA?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    ll's well in Argentina http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093559665/UAE-and-Argentina-farm-sector-talks

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    34. Do you know the difference between talking about an investment and making an actual investment?
    You are not from the USA.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @32

    Don't you all say Argentina is a Pariah state? A pariah state has no friends and no relations with anyone.

    Given the fact Argentina has relations with Venezuela, then that shoots down your argument now doesn't it?

    (and of course, Argentina has relations with all of Latin America, EU, China, North America).

    So you have defeated your own argument based on your standards, haven't you?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    Sad picture of Spanish Gvt. if it´s impeding Paraguay to assist to a meeting where it belong to....If any other country doesn´t want to mix with it, sorry but its it own choice......By the contrary, if Paraguay is not allowed to assist, the real SA democratic countries won´t assist in protest for that anti-democratic fact....from a Gvt. that has been humilliated by some non-democratic SA countries that must have been pressing it (in example, Argentina, Bolivia, etc..).

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I don't say that @ 36, though, a lot of people on here say it. It is true that Argentina holds the record for the biggest default in history (so far) and because of that it does not have access to the international money markets. I don't say Argentina has no friends or relations with anyone. In fact, I am forever highlighting the very close relationship between the President of Argentina and Hugo Chavez, I mentioned it again only yesterday.

    Crash and burn again.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Anyway, back on topic, the UK has absolutely nothing to do here, no power, no influence, no leverage. Next.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    Spain is showing just how little it really knows about Latin America.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    39. If that statement is true I wonder why YPF has the begging bowl out in London this month? Seems strange if UK is irrelevant...

    Toby, I guess you saw 10 people were shot in a hospital this weekend...I thought that didn't happen in RGParadise?

    Do you think the bus driver thought his fingers were only worth U$8 and a cell phone?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @29 The TiT has always been a pitiful berk. Assange? Well, he's still cowering in the Ecuadorian embassy apartment. No safe passage for him. He's going to Sweden. What a shame the Ecuadorians granted him a form of “asylum” that the UK doesn't recognise. In the meantime he seems to have locked himself up! But I doubt that a Swedish court is going to consider it as “time already served”! A current question of interest is whether he will have to serve prison time in the UK for breaching his bail conditions before he gets shipped to Sweden, or will the Swedes ship him back once they've finished with him. As for Pinochet, he got sent back to “the scene of the crime”. Where's the problem? In any legal situation there will always be some ill-educated people who don't like a result. The Iraq War. That's easy. We should have finished the job in 1991. Should never have given Saddam another 12 years of power and life. As for the British Royal Family, the “photographer” Valerie Suau commonly referred to as “sewer” (sounds like an argie name) is apparently in hiding. Not surprising as there is now not only a civil case but also criminal charges. Let's see how she and the magazine editors like the massive damages as well as the time in jail. And the magazine is run by a member of the family of that Italian paragon of virtue, Silvio Berlusconi.
    @30 Poor sad, little TiT the GiT.
    @32 Is that 14 months?
    @36 Definition: ”A pariah state is a nation whose conduct is considered to be out of line with international norms of behavior by either the rest of the international community (such as the United Nations), or by some of the most powerful states.” Pariahs stick together. All the scum are getting together. And now we can all see how little you know or understand! Poor child.
    @39 That's good. So you're not bothered about our 1300 troops, 4 combat aircraft, patrol vessel, destroyer, fleet auxiliary, submarine (maybe)!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Maybe Spain want CFKC to attend the summit in Madrid so they can serve papers on her regarding the illegal seizing of Repsol's property? : )

    Remember the Italian government detaining Maradona and taking his diamond jewellery from him in part-payment of the taxes he owed them? Maybe Spain should seize the jewellery and shoe collection of CFKC?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @7 Agent999

    That would involve Spain “un recognising” British sovereignty over the Falklands that it has recognised since 1864 - I think that would make them look foolish and it would have severe ramifications for Spain as signatory to the Treaty of Lisbon which recognises the Falklands as an associate member of the EU (much the same status as Jersey and Guernsey)

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    43. For awhile they worried that they would seize Tango 1 the Arg Presidential jet. I wonder if that is going to start up again with the new rulings?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @ 42
    Nope, never been bothered by the Falklands issue, except when they cry that Argentina refuses to cooperate with them in the high seas or marine issues.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, What happened in enlightened Argentina this weekend, 10 people injured in a hospital shoot out. What a shame. Are you embarrassed after all of your crowing over the last month or so? Is that why you are ignoring me? Awww.
    You do so hate when facts get in the way of your delusions... they're so inconvenient

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @47 It is kind of worrying. The hospital shooting and the shooting at the fun park. I would have said that in Argentina most shootings seem to be robbery or kidnapping related, rather than random. It may just be coincidence.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @47, 48

    Thank you for worrying more about 10 injuries in Argentina than 50 dead in the USA for the same events.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @49 You are welcome.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think girls being randomly snatched off the streets is a little more worrying. They're obviously being sold into prostitution and/or slavery.

    I think BA is very dangerous. I never really felt safe there even though I had a driver/bodyguard and 2 guards watching my house 24hrs a day.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Wasn't there a sniper at de los ninos park last week?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    52. Yep sniper last week at amusement park and mass shooting this weekend at a hospital.

    Don't you remember Toby saying how enlightened they were as compared to the vulgar beasts in the USA? Hmm I wonder if he is re-thinking that or if they will make him stay on script.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    I've looked at both La Nacion and Clarin and not a trace of news of “women being snatched from the streets”.

    Oh and the “shooting” at the hospital in passing turns out it was a scuffle that included a knife, between two gang groups.

    So yes, we are not murderous maniacs like you that use mass killing weaponry to mow down children and young people still in college with barely their whole life ahead. Sorry, I know misery loves company, but not cigarro.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    despite all the insults against the british,

    what have you achieved, [nothing]

    despite all the threats and intimidation, what has CFK achieved, [nothing].

    so it seems if you say nothing, and do nothing, then you will get nothing,

    still,
    you can always insult the brits,
    it keeps em laughing ..

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @55

    You have nothing to do with this article. Hate to break it to you.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh its different if the shooters are gangs and not a psycho...don't the bullets kill and wound the same?

    I didn't know bullets came out of a knife silly me.

    And if you can't find the article you are not looking hard enough 3 girls snatched in downtown BA recently

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    and who says so ttt
    YOU.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @57

    Yes, it is RADICALLY different if it is two bands of thugs going at each other. It is in every country in the world. You really want to go here? To compare a movie theater full of innocents, shot and KILLED, over a fracas between thugs with one knife, and superficial injuries?

    Let me spell that for you: d - e - s - p - e - r - a - t - e. :)

    And may I repeat my linguistically handicapped broke, the fight in the hospital had NO GUNS. These thugs were at the hospital because one of their “buddies” had a gunshot wound. There was NO mass shooting.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    he knows all,
    but stays safe.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    Just to show I have sense of humour

    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c47.0.403.403/p403x403/539485_4558537171253_1360063069_n.jpg

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think it is pretty hard to injure 8 people with a knife unless the guy was some sort of Ninja...do you have ninjas in Argentina?

    Are you telling me I should be more scared to go to a movie theater in the USA rather than a public hospital in BA? I'd choose the movie theater any day I have seen the hospitals in BA and you definitely will come out sicker than going in...

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    so Yankee .....do I understand tit correctly.....that it is better to have a bunch of violent people (gangs) on the street than mentally ill people? Thats the point he is arguing I take it.
    Juding from the stats at nationmaster......argentina is basically a nation of thieves.....they can be proud to lead the world in something.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @62
    Don't ask me yankeebroke, read the actual news report... Oh yeah, can't read Spanish, loser.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012/09/15/fatal-superbug-kills-7th-person-at-md-hospital/57785964/1

    How clean those unsocialized American hospitals huh? Walk in to get stitches for a wound, leave in a coffin.

    @63

    Nationmaster... that's all I need to know about the lot of you. Indec is a nuclear clock of measurments compared to that.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BAMF Paraguay

    Okay, so clearly Spain is getting on all fours for CFK but it just doesn't make any sense why. As for Paraguay, we continue to move forward, could care less what happens to Argentina and Spain. With expected +14% growth next year, I think Paraguay will be just fine without the shrinking markets of CFK and Spain. Franco will most likely go because we here in Paraguay have gigantor balls unlike Spain.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, Maybe you don't know what NIH is, since you don't have a any research hospitals and your best equipment is what we send your hospitals as gifts, stuff we don't consider to be usable or it's too dangerous for us to use now.
    That bug is a very serious concern but if you are at NIH you have something so exotic they want to study you. They do amazing work! I am super proud of the docs and researchers there! It is an honor to work there and they come up with solutions for many diseases.
    Here is some history:
    http://history.nih.gov/about/timelines_research_advances.html

    I think you should go to see if they can fix your NPD...

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Elena

    @40

    I agree, the Iberoamerican group was made in the first place to develop relationships between EU and Latam with Spain as brigde, but related history and language alone isn´t enough to develop strong ties, especially when politics and economy drive Spain and Latam to very different places.

    Leaving Paraguay out of this reunion defeats the reasons from which that group was made, and is unfair to them. lately even part of Venezuela gov. had not been in favor of leaving Paraguay out of mercosur. Maybe Spain just want´s to keep good relationships between Brazil and Argentina which it´s comprensible from an economic pov. but affecting Paraguay this way is sending the wrong mensage to the rest of Latam.

    http://www.abc.com.py/internacionales/venezuela-no-quiere-que-paraguay-deje-definitivamente-el-mercosur-434947.html

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @66

    The sad part is that what you send to us as gifts, is what most people in your own country don't have access to. Because that wonderfl NIH is only for the top 5% of the population that can afford it.

    The other 95% must mortgage their homes, wealth, and life savings if they get mediumly ill.

    Your system is a joke, but I will agree that because it is a for profit system, it rewards excellence and top notch advances. That is the price to pay for progress I guess, a country that is addicted to unneeded medicines and where 9 in 10 people are a bad fall or cancer away from having their lives financially ruined.

    For profit medicine is an oxymoron. You can't make money if life is supposedly priceless. Thus, you price out tha majority of the population, like in the USA. That is how you ration care, simply be denying it or making people go broke, or addicting people to unnecesary treatement to satisfy the quarter stock price of pharmas and hospitals, and to get the government to subsidize you more.

    And this may surprise you, but socialized mecidine is not of my persuasion either, as in government directed medicine rationing is done from the bureaucracy. Both systems are despicably bad for the patient, and I have no respect for the people that work in healthcare.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    64 Truth_Telling_Troll

    HA!!! this person died IN hospital. In Argentina they just kill them BEFORE they even get there...right? huh? That is, if there is one and they can afford the treatment right? huh? TIT??? Right?

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Truth_Telling_Troll

    @69

    “Right?”

    Wrong. No one is denied treatment for lack of funds. That is part of the problem, the hospitals treat millions of illegals, of foreigners that from neighboring countries, and even tourists who know it is free and thus go to the public hospital if they need to instead of a private clinic. No of those pay into the system.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Toby, No tourist would go to a Public Hospital in Argentina. NONE! I tried to give blood when I lived there and the Red Cross ( or Arg version of it) had me go to one. I walked in saw how dirty it was, paint peeling, absolutely filthy floors/walls and equipment was right out of 1950s sci fi moves and left. They are simply disgusting!
    I will say the Docs are nice but they are so behind the times with no resources there is only so much they can do.

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GastonBaires

    71 yankeeboy

    Wrong Yankeeboy! Even the entire Romanian Embassy assists to the public hospitals.
    And lots of tourist around the whole country!
    Don’t post lies or say who told you that or what is your information source!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh my mistake, I hear Romania has great healthcare...

    bahahhahahaaa

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GastonBaires

    what is your point to insult others!
    By the why... You did't say what's your information source to affirm that???
    Cheers mate!

    Sep 17th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    Some idiots here can't read and don't have clue what's really going on.

    DanyBerger typed: Have you ever heard of “New World Order and power shifting”.

    Meaning 1: New World Order (NWO) vs 2 Power Shifting.

    N.W.O.
    Who does it's homework and question him or her self of what's really going on by seeing what is going on around him or her, will figure out that it's clear the banking elite (you know, those to big to fail banks) with their corrupt friends in the government (you know, those incompetents that are constantly elected, some aren't even elected, by the people, so who are the real losers, you ask yourself) are throwing nations back, slowly (in the form of austerity, yeah know, kill yourself and give more to the banksters, they need it to save the economy they wrecked with their worthless derrivatives) to the dark ages, aka back to the good old FEUDAL DAYS (rich on top, peasants on the bottom).
    Prove: CNBC, are we finally in the hands of the central bankers, Global Governance? Just listen...
    http://youtu.be/CF8wfUJ6sj8
    one more: you think whatever you want, point is just listen, think for yourself and do more research if you really care.
    CNBC- Kissinger- Obama to use Crisis to create “New World Order”
    http://youtu.be/CF8wfUJ6sj8

    Powershift/Power shifting.
    Who pays attention see that times has changed. Europe isn't what it use to be anymore, it's heading to go bankrupt, the US is in reality bankrupt, but let's pretend nothing is happening, keep printing, Japan going nowhere (did the same what the US is doing now, saving zombie banks) etc etc. Power began to shift late 90's and accelerated after around 2001 and admitted in 2008 when the so called G20 was official (G7 nations are broke and they know that, but are desperate to keep themself high on the white horse that is sick and dying slowly). Power is shifting to the southern western hemispheer and south eas asia area. A mulipolor world, and we're heading towards that.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR

    “Power is shifting to the southern western hemispheer”

    LOL!!! What power would that be?

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sammy

    seems they are more interested in little islands while they whirl round the
    bog with the rest of the shite being flushed down the pan.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/09/17/spain-dumps-paraguay-from-the-ibero-american-summit-not-to-offend-argentina#comment164501: I think it has been a couple centuries since Spain led the Latin world.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    “Power is shifting to the southern western hemispheer”

    LOL!!! What power would that be?

    Only an imbecile as you who continue to what BBC, SKY NEWS, Fox or CNN whatever ..is incapable to think for itself and only thinks that POWER means military power. There is all kind of power, include economical power..where broken economies (stuck between keynesian zero % worthless money printing and bogus free market fundamentalism that destroys the middle class and war monger ideology pure of desperation) are desperate to sell their products they cannot sell (some don't produce it anymore, that broke they are) to their neighbors or to their own broke consumer market. Now think about that you idiot..and do better research before you type comments you get out of your ass.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • amontema

    Unfortunately Spain and Argentina are poles apart. One is trying to prove (unsuccessfully) that it is NOT a third world nation in a first world community and the other is trying to prove it is a first world nation in a third world community. Trade between either at the moment is minimal (apart from the brisk trade in cheap labourers and prostitutes to Spain) but, could improve if the oil embargoes are lifted. Result? The castigation of the poorest country in the group which will result in the possible ending of the trade between Asu. and BsAs in even cheaper labourers and prostitutes.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    79. Fido you are “Axel-Stupid” and that is really saying something! Have you ever been to South America? Are you saying countries with the GDP output of Tampa are going to have economic power someday? If you are talking about the 1 country that is large enough to recognize, Brazil, they have a very very long way to go before they could consider themselves a world power. They don't have the $ to support a large military and good portion of their population are woefully un-educated and lives in slums. You'll be long dead before they are considered anything more than a nuisance.
    Go back to the Netherlands we really don't want your kind in the USA.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CJvR

    #79

    Are you seriously trying to sell South America as the up and coming economical power in the world? Sorry Fido but that is a joke. Even the worst off in Europe (Greece) is hoping to avoid falling into the pit where Argentina already is. The region is split between two trade blocks, one of which is becoming more and more politicized and protectionist. Rule of law rather than whim is still optional in many places, and that is very bad for the economy.

    Sorry Fido, there is not power in LA.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    ”... the case of Venezuela (if Hugo Chavez is re-re-re-elected next 7 October)”

    But, but, but - I read the other day, that 62 percent of the votes in the election 7 October 2012 were on Chávez , so Der Führer has won again - just wait and see.

    (warning! sarcasm may occur in the above text)

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Good for Spain for acting in their own real interests and seeing the bigger picture. Great to see how Cristina was able to make them do this, she really is an amazingly talented politician =)

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    @ 27 Truth_Telling_Tonta who writes:

    “now with their Royal Family being proffessional porn stars?”

    Ahrm, topless = showing breasts - a daily sight in your Mendoza where mothers breastfeed their babies in public.

    Pornography?

    @ 36

    “Don't you all say Argentina is a Pariah state? A pariah state has no friends and no relations with anyone.”

    Pariahs have friendship and relations with other pariahs, of course.

    We don't all say that Argentina is a Pariah state.

    A few do, while most of us feel sorry for a people, which is governed by a president, who herself is guided by emotions instead of by good sense, knowledge, and good advisors.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    79
    we thought they were on your team,
    his not a brit team member .lol.

    Sep 18th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Spain remembers Portugal's history. When things became too tough in Europe their leaders decamped to South America and established that as its monarchical base.
    Spain is obviously preparing the ground to do the same with Argentina.

    Sep 19th, 2012 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    Is Spain, like Portugal in the XIX century, being threatened by foreign expansionists, GeoffWard? So what are you on about?

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    “not to offend Argentina”. Is this possible. I thought that if you dared to breathe it caused them offence !

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Hi Forgetit, long time no see!
    Just a bit of fun to see who was on line.
    Geoff.

    Sep 20th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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