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Argentina/Venezuela planning a basic training aircraft for Unasur members

Saturday, September 22nd 2012 - 05:08 UTC
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A Venezuelan military delegation is currently visiting Buenos Aires to advance cooperation agreements with Argentina and continue to consider the project for the development of a training jet aircraft for Unasur, Union of South American Nations. Read full article

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  • DanyBerger

    Ammonium nitrate?
    Very good to make Trotil and high explosive...

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Apparently [AIRFIX INDUSTIRES]
    are very happy to be part of this adventure .

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KretinaK

    Thursday Sept. 27th scrotum neck is going to give a speech at Harvard University!! Argentine and pr0-democratic students have totally trashed her on the website announcing her appearance and are planning a protest - bananas in hand - when she speaks.......forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/public-address-her-excellency-cristina-fern%C3%A1ndez-de-kirchner-president-argentina

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Argentina doesn't need any military alliance with VeneCuba. Who they planning to go to war against? We all know Hugo woould love to have a proxy fight with his great enemy (in his mind) the US.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Chavez only wants a fight with the US as long as he doesn't have to fight.

    He is like all the LatAm leaders when push comes to shove: they run away.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I hear they are offering to provide fly by wire technology, though I understand it is only a cheap knock off copy of the “Wright Flyer.”

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    6 reality check

    That's a good one.

    When I was young I had a fly-by-wire single engine plane. It's true!

    It was one of those balsa kits with a glow plug engine and two wires that came out of the port wing and the operator stood in the centre of the flying circle.

    Much like the only planes the Argies have got left that can fly without falling out of the sky come to think about it.

    LOL

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    I had one too, Christmas 1967. Always wound up getting dizzy and falling over, at least that was when my dad would let me have go. Happy memories.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @
    What happened to the revolutionary updated, “Pablum” training jet the Argies just announced a month ago.

    It was designed and manufactured entirely in Argentina, except for a few minor generic parts, oh, AND the Ejector seats, and er, the engines, too, but except for that, a cutting edge Argentinian aircraft that should meet their military requirements right up to 1985.

    The British, BKFA has a more formidale “air force”.

    http://www.bkfa.org.uk/node/2

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “provide greater power to the engine of the Scorpion Light tank.”
    This helped thye UK very well in 1982-wish we had sent more down.

    What's the training aircraft going to be called?

    The Chav?

    Shouldn't Argentina be developing a transport aircraft big enough to carry Maximo?

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    How about calling after one of the UK's earlier fighter jets? you guessed it! the CHAVLIN.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    10 Pete Bog

    I know in Argentina they all imagine doing six impossible tasks before breakfast (Alice in Wonderland) but not even the space shuttle lifter could manage that task!

    LOL

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    As long as it has just enough seats to carry CFK out of harms way,

    thats all they need,

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I am willing to help their training efforts and I can supply engines for this aircraft. I have a significant surplus of high tensile rubber bands and can really be wound up tight.
    Chris you are absolutely correct that chubby chavez only wants a war of words.
    I was reading today that a Canadian has the worlds longest sniper record in war history. In Afghanistan last year........2,470 meters.....with a barret. Love to see chubby on that end of a sight

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    CP
    The Canadian did hold it in Feb 2010, it was broken in May 2010 by a Brit taking out two members of a Takliban machine gun team. Incredible shooting by both, round in flight for four seconds and the earth rotating a distance of more than 25 metres, now that is what I call marksmanship.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Kudos........impressive shooting indeed. All you bad boys......and girls, take notice.

    Sep 22nd, 2012 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    14 Captain Poppy

    I have actually fired a Barrett 0.50 BMG single shot shoulder fired model on an Army range in the UK.

    The rifle cost £6,000 and the scope £4,500 and this is going back to 2002.

    Could only stand the one shot (on a bipod at that) and I had to give it back to my friend who owned it.

    I had just spent several hundred pounds on dental work and the recoil was just too much of a risk. 0.338 Lapua, now that is something else :o)

    Not to take anything from the shooters, but these LR shots are impossible without the range computer that accompanies the rifle. Absolute magic to use.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You should see what it does to the receiving end.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Alexei

    A Venezuelan military delegation visiting Buenos Aires to advance military co-operation in the region? But KFC, Hysterical Hector's and the other muppets have been squealing and complaining about 'militarisation' in this 'region of peace'.

    I'm not surprised they want a new 'training jet'. The Pampers 'training jet', the underpowered poor man's Alpha jet with bombs tied to it that Putridjelly was trying to threaten us with a few weeks ago, was a joke. Back to the drawing board amigos.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @17
    Lets not forget their other skill, field craft. It would seem that it is now probably more difficult to make a close in shot and ergress from the area, than it is to make a long range shot in comparative safety. Impressive military skills and no doubt the guys at the sharp end are very appreciative to have this kind of support backing them up.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @20

    That's true, but the real difficulty with shots much over a 1,000 m is target acquisition.

    That is where your spotter comes in; he is the key to a good shot. Imagine finding a man-sized target dressed in their rags at 2,400m. The British shot came about because there was a small group of them on a ridge line (stupid sods) and the first shot missed. At that range of course you cannot even hear a 0.50 BMG single shot.

    The spotter had seen the fall of shot and between them they worked out the offset. And that was it.

    When the Argies took the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) a trooper from the Horse Guards took along his 7.62x51 NATO Swing target rifle that he used at Bisley but fitted with a good target scope.

    They came across a machine gun nest which clocked over 1,000 m and it would have been suicide to take it in the normal fashion. So they sat down to wait and sure enough one of the Argies came out to have a piss. He shot him and reloaded, sure enough one of the Argies mates came out to see what was holding him up and he shot him. The third one made the mistake of sticking his head and shoulders above the parapet and he shot him.

    The next thing that happened was a white flag appeared over the parapet and the rest of the Argies surrendered to effectively, one man and his rifle.

    I would imagine when he got back the Army Rifle Club would want to talk to him about regrading him!

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @ChrisRambo

    You lost close to 300 men in the battle field in the hands of inexperts civilian soldiers without traning . So better you shut up because the next time the soldiers will be professionals and well trained like Arg. pilots.

    How long do you think will last your army?
    1 week perhaps?

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    ChrisR don't even dignify dumburger with an answer. He's a kid and knows nothing, not even in argentina He lacks knowledge, especially military other than white flag tactics and close support hand to and surrendering. Let him rant and stick his head further up his ass like his mother, ass lips kirchner is doing at the UN, Sucking off American CEO's for help, GW University and Harvard this week.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @22 Dim Bulb

    “You lost close to 300 men in the battle field in the hands of inexperts civilian soldiers without traning . ”

    “Inexpert civilian soldiers without training ”

    , Is that what your army consists of?

    Why different now?? Does Argentina spend more on her military now and train them better now, than when they were a military dictatorship ( not a civilian dictatorship as now)???

    Ironic that this story upsets you so much :
    The calculated and cool professional soldier kills three “unsuspecting innocents”, the same type of soldiers who sneak attacked an unarmed civilian population and imprisoned them, to steal their homes and land.

    While you are indignant, you still seem to despise the “civilian soldiers” as incompetent. Argentina blamed them for losing the war, and did not honour their dead, nor wanted to repatriate the surviving prisoners.

    Who is more incompetent, the soldiers trained by, and following orders of, the military, or the officers who deployed an unprepared, inadequate force???

    You should be embarrassed, your military commanders had a month to dig in and prepare defensive positions, and you lost more men.

    “Next time the soldiers will be professionals”

    So, as an employee of the Argentine government, are you telling us you have plans to invade again??

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Dunni-Burger

    I am going to take the excellent advice of Captain Poppy.

    There is no rational debate possible with you about 'your military'.

    I think others on here have a glimpse of what I have done and what I know about many things in life that you clearly have never experienced.

    So I will leave it at that.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    25 ChrisR

    Well done mate.
    In the words of Harry Dean Stanton “Don't feel too badly about it, somethings can't be helped, some people too”

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @25 Chris

    With your permission, perhaps there is a way that Dunny-Boy can be 'turned'?

    I propose we give him a British 'ChrisR' action-figure he can play with, to replace his 'Christina' Barbie-doll.

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Professionals and well trained like Arg. Pilots
    >>>>>

    Considering the worlds experts all agreed that the argie planes flying against the harriers were far more superior,
    The harriers were untried and untested,
    In fact the worlds experts, [experts ha ha ]
    Actually stated that they expected the argentine planes to blow the harriers from the skies,

    And they did a very good job, [against the ships]
    But sadly it was the British royal navy pilots flying the untried harriers, that whipped the skies of argie planes, is this not true,

    Then again if it was the RAF with the jaguars or phantoms, perhaps the world’s experts would have had a different opinion,

    Still,
    The fact is,
    We won,
    Argentina lost…
    .

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Just watching Meryl Streep as Maggie Thatcher.

    Great sequence of old news footage - Brits thrash the Argentine invaders of the Falklands and return to triumphant celebration in London!

    Brilliant, really rousing!!

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    27 Troy Tempest

    “I propose we give him a British 'ChrisR' action-figure he can play with, to replace his 'Christina' Barbie-doll.”

    I must admit to being intrigued as to the attributes such an action figure would have.

    It does sound fun to see what other people imagine some of my own attributes to be.

    I have no problems with this: Dunni-Burger may even learn a thing or two: but there again I am the eternal optimist, which is why I am disappointed so often!

    LOL

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    30 ChrisR

    Trolls seem to dread encountering some of the 'UK Dolls,' (sounds like a punk band doesn't it?) and their special attributes.

    example: 'Aussie' and 'sussie' are afraid of 'Isolde' with her 'Sarcastic Wit' attributes.

    :-)

    Sep 23rd, 2012 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Sorry mates but I'm busy enjoying a good trip in a British tube with a lovely tolerant no racist lady.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCBOKkQh4Lg

    “Oh! bloody fucking niggers you are not English get off from my train”..
    ha ha
    Sorry mates is what she said...

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @32 DB

    Yes, she is a despicable person from the East End of London by the sound of it.

    In a nation with 62M people who have been lied to by Blair and the cnut Brown about multi-culturism and immigration it is sadly the case that the numbers of unhappy Brits will increase.

    There are very few jobs available to Brits now because the immigrants think our minimum rate is great.

    School leavers who have not really worked during their school years will shortly find that unemployment is all they will ever have.

    It is what happens when socialist parties are in power.

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    More co-operation between the axis of hope, excellent =)

    #33 So in other words, you agree with her!

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @ChrisR

    Encouraging massive immigration masked with the euphemism of “multiculturalism” is a proper measure used by “necons” to keep down salaries, because slavery doesn’t look good anymore.

    More workers, more competition among them for jobs so if an English person doesn’t want to work for a shitty salary someone else in despair will do.

    And what have you learned?

    Absolutely nothing because you boys have a chip on your heads that keep telling you “free market”, “Globalisation”, “Multiculturalism”, “Banks”, etc, etc.

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KretinaK

    Nice big protest planned against Kretina right outside of her luxurious New York hotel.......will show the world how much she is loved!.......https://www.facebook.com/RepudioACFKEnNuevaYork

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #36 And what class of Argentines would afford to make it to New York for a protest?!

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KretinaK

    #37 What business is that of yours. The Argentine people decide what happens in their country NOT some 2 bit cheap whore botox “president” that buys votes! And many are students, on scolarships that want DEMOCRACY not this cheap garbage destructive populist smoke screen of Kirchner and her cronies.......I can't wait to see them ALL rot in jail!

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The free lives that immigrated to the USA

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    More great news for integration and the process of mutual defense. Ministers from all Unasur Nations toured the Cordoba Fadea plantlast Spring as part of the common trainer with resounding success. As a results, this project is well on it's way to becoming a reality I hear. I am sure that many more aircraft projects wll come out of this experience. Can't wait to see it, a common advanced stealthy and supersonic combat aircraft will surely be developed.

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    With fearsome strength like that, you just might be a match for the Massai warrior

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @40

    “a common advanced stealthy and supersonic combat aircraft will surely be developed.”

    You sure you are not Blind_Scottie_Kichnerist?

    He has delusions of granduer and flights of fancy, especially about TMBOA.

    But are you serious about that bollocks?

    Have you seen the fabulous 'rocket' that the AGs 'designed' >25% payload no less, when the greatest solid fuel / liquid fuel rocket designer on the plant (Von Braun) could only manage 8%?

    LOL

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    No grandeur, only reality. Unasur has the need to have independent in defense industry, free from dependence on foreign sources. This is what we are seeing with this initiative. There are many combat aircraft to be replaced in the future. With Argentina, Brazil, Chile and others pooling their ideas and resources, I am sure that it can find a suitable local design for its future aircraft requirement. The RG's once had this on the Dwg Board. It was not completed since Juan Peon was overthrown. I am sure that some forms of this design would still be useful to this date. They were well on their way once, it can be done and completed in the future.

    http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/2/1/4221080/2842538.jpg?664
    http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/2/1/4221080/2842538.jpg?664
    http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/2/1/4221080/2842538.jpg?664

    Brazils aircraft industry alone, speaks for itself.

    http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/2/1/4221080/2842538.jpg?664

    Sep 24th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • KretinaK

    Here in Argentina we are heavily protesting the Kirchner administration, their endless corruption in every corner of the government, stealing of public funds, outright lies to the public about everything from security to the economy to official inflation figures.
    Today we start a new protest in Argentina - it's called the “ANTI-KK campaña”. In our language “KK” is pronounced KaKa, and that is what we think of the Kirchner administration.
    We ask all citizens against the Kirchner “KK” regime to leave a bag of excrement or bring your dog to defecate on the steps of Congress, on the steps of the Casa Rosada, or in front of the door of any office of “La Cámpora” or another militant organization of this joke of a president called “Kolina”.
    Leave bags of excrement, or garbage or any other repulsive, non-dangerous item that stinks on the steps of or in front of any of these government related places. This is a peaceful protest, non-violent, and will send a strong message to the “KaKa” government that is destroying lives in Argentina.
    KK para todos en el gobierno!.......
    Harvard forum where CFK (ka ka queen) will give a speech on Thursday.......
    http://forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/public-address-her-excellency-cristina-fern%C3%A1ndez-de-kirchner-president-argentina.......
    This is how much her own people HATE her.......
    www.facebook.com/RepudioACFKEnNuevaYork#!
    And how turkey scrotum neck stays in power.......
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw

    Sep 25th, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    @43
    True Brazils Aircraft Industry is impressive, but it is still years behind other industries when it comes to others. Did I not read an article on here concerning their navy developing a rocket engine for their missile defence systems? if so, that would still put them decades behind. Germany, US, UK and the USSR were at this point in the 1950's.

    Sep 25th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @43

    I liked the old B&W photo of the mock-up, 1950 was it? The rest are just cgi and have no reality. Did you notice the 'bulb' type engines? These have been out of date for decades.

    “With Argentina, Brazil, Chile and others pooling their ideas and resources” I am absolutely sure NOTHING will come of it.

    Not only will AG want to boss the others about under their usual 'we are the best, you must listen and do as we say' approach; there is the simple job of making engines and avionics to tackle (simple as in impossible for AG).

    Stop listening to the rhetoric of TMBOA and Putridjelly and get real for once.

    Sep 25th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @KretinaK

    Don’t worry Cretina the 7th of December ClarínMiente enters into the Scrapyard to be send to Wasteland and everybody happy again.

    Sep 26th, 2012 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #47 Can't wait =)

    Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @British_Kirchnerist

    #47 Can't wait =)

    Do you know how many fake posters like “KretinaK” are we going to miss on the web?

    Ha ha Better to find another entertainment because I guess is going to be too boring without ClarinMiente and “La Destrucion” paid posters.

    Oh! Wait a minute someone is just telling me that ClarinMiente is going to make a new TV program called “Dancing for a Job” or “dancing for a Salary” where the lame journalists from Clarin Group will compete like Gladiators to keep their jobs or go to the Lions.

    Would be very funny and entertaining I hope.

    Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @49 dung heap

    “Oh! Wait a minute someone is just telling me that ClarinMiente is going to make a new TV program called “Dancing for a Job” or “dancing for a Salary” where the lame journalists from Clarin Group will compete like Gladiators to keep their jobs or go to the Lions.

    Would be very funny and entertaining I hope.”

    Totalitarian states that have to hide the truth from the people are the ones that silence journalists and persecute them to shut them up.

    How revealing and how frightening to free people, that La Campora celebrates the destruction of the news media and violent deaths for Argentina's journalists!

    I am sure that your comments have the Falklanders and your own citizens recoiling in horror.

    Glad you wrote this. It shows the true brutality of your regime.

    To paraphrase George Orwell, “ the jackboot of totalitarianism stomping on a man's face”.

    I am very afraid for your people.

    Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Troy they do not understand democracy so lossing a newspaper is of no consequence to them. They think they have democracy because tyhey are told they have domcracy. Without the media to burn a candle under their ass....there is also no freedom of speech (is it even in their constitution, it's our 1st amemdment in our Bill of Rights)
    argentina is the biggest failure, now biggest joke since asslips Magical Mystery USA Tour. As we speak, asslips is trying to get out of going to Harvard. They had to sedate her last night after students at Geogetown deared ask her questions. The look on her face was priceless when f1st student asked her a question about the media. Her jaw dropped. She told them she allows interacts with the media.....but the press throws things at her if they do not like the answer. It only got worst aftet that. She is having a tizzy fit and convulsions. She in my state later......lucky me.

    Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @51 Poppy

    Just housekeeping - making sure their outrageous comments are noted and publically identified for what they are.

    Enjoying the “Meet the Press” stories about CFK!

    Anything more on YOUtube, about that?

    LOL

    Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    Yes any videos about that, I'd like to see what really happened and not rely on the not-wholly-unbiased(!) reporting of her enemies on here...

    Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Ha ha

    I don’t know what “la campora” thinks but if “Clarin” and “La Nacion” are closed I will open a bottle of Champagne and a expensive one.

    The idiots think that democracy relays on shitty newspapers as those run by “Murdoch”, “ClarinMiente” and “La Destruccion”.

    I don’t know you but I don’t need anyone to think for me and especially if they lie all the time for their own interests.

    If you buy that crap is your problem no mine.

    Was not that “ClarinMiente” and “La destruccion” both where supporting the war in 1982 and both said that the Military Junta was wining the war?

    Anyway I cannot wait for the new TV program named “Dancing for a Job” or “Singing for a Salary”.

    By the way do you sing or dance idiots?

    May be you can be invited as the best followers of media crap for idiots.

    Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #54 “Was not that “ClarinMiente” and “La destruccion” both where supporting the war in 1982 and both said that the Military Junta was wining the war?”

    Exactly!

    Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @BS-K

    “Exactly” - yes, very revealing.

    I can only think of two reasons why they would print that point of view:

    1) The press was dramatically influenced by the “evil junta” (isn't that how RG's
    refer to them?)

    2) The Press was accurately representing the convictions of the Argentinian population.

    Which one was it??

    Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #56 Number 1! And they were rewarded for it, including with children most likely

    Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Troy Tempest

    1-“2) The Press was accurately representing the convictions of the Argentinian population.”

    No media group in the world represents the convictions of any population, they only just exploit certain common human behaviours especially deep-rooted in what is known as the “Mass” to archive own goals (especially economics).

    2-People tend to be lazy when comes the time to think and research and they prefer to have the “revealed truth” served in golden plate by the self-proclaimed “independent media”. Media groups know very well how to exploit that and that way they can easy manipulate public opinion.

    So media publication is not the “Public Opinion Published” otherwise is “Opinions Published for the Public (Mass)” that create trends and that is a very important point for media groups to obtain revenues and obtain favours from govts.

    If I have a product to sell what “media group” do you think I will choose to make my publicity campaign?

    The one that tells the truth of the one that can manipulate more their audience?

    Of course I will choose the MG that can manipulate and sell more crap to the public, because if they can make that, they can convince clients to buy my product even if it is shit.

    Now think, how many crap have you bough thanks to media viral marketing?

    Now think again if publicist and the media can turn a piece of crap into a desirable thing that people want to buy, why they will not do the same with politicians and govts?

    3-Politicians relay on the trust of their natural clients (the voters) and if someone talk crap all day eroding your clients confidences in what are you selling (policies in this case) Govts. Can become a good source of ads revenues.

    4- So someone want to start a on-line news press to start to get revenues from expensive ads from FI local govt? if so just call me I just have the name for company “The Independent Voice of Falkland” Independent Journalism ©. Ha ha

    Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @58 Dany

    ”1-“2) The Press was accurately representing the convictions of the Argentinian population.”

    No media group in the world represents the convictions of any population, they only just exploit certain common human behaviours especially deep-rooted in what is known as the “Mass” to archive own goals (especially economics).

    2-People tend to be lazy when comes the time to think and research and they prefer to have the “revealed truth” served in golden plate by the self-proclaimed “independent media”. Media groups know very well how to exploit that and that way they can easy manipulate public opinion.“

    Dany,
    Thanks for the thorough explanation, but looks both of you could be correct.

    Nice lecture about the ”Media Group“ manipulating the public to get their ”their” message across.

    However, if you are saying the Media Group itself, was trying to influence the people to manipulate their actions, it's not likely.

    If the MG were opposed to the Invasion, they would not dare print a negative story denouncing the actions of the Military Dictatorship - very dangerous personally, for the editors!

    If the people were opposed to the Invasion, why would the Media Group write contrary editorials, or invent news coverage supporting the unpopular military action,? This might create public backlash against the Media Group.

    Either the feelings of the public were reflected truthfully, or the violent, iron fist of the (evil) military junta was dictating propaganda for printing.

    Either way, you cannot blame the press for the reporting.

    It either truthfully reported public sentiment, or reported untruthfully only because they were dominated by a dangerous dictatorship.

    Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @ Troy Tempest

    And do you believe in fairy tales also?

    I don’t sorry...

    Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    All you will hear is Fairy Tales from CFK, everyone else is silenced.

    Next step: 'Disappearances'???

    Sep 29th, 2012 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Troy Tempest
    Very good is what I want I like Fairy Tales from Queen Elisabet Cristina and in democracy my opinion is so valid as yours.

    So are you or not democratic?

    Because I respect your opinion do you respect mine?

    BTW do you know when Queen Cristina is going to tale when is the invasion of Islands?

    Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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