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Argentina calls on UK for talks on ‘global issue’ Malvinas and ‘demilitarization’ of South Atlantic
President Cristina Fernández once again claimed Argentina’s sovereignty over the Falklands/Malvinas islands and urged the United Kingdom to accept talks and abide by the United Nations resolutions on the matter which has become a “global issue”. The Argentine leader also asked for the demilitarization of the South Atlantic. Read full article
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Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least this will be her last visit to the UN.
LOL
“There have been many resolutions all asking the UK to sit down at the table and talk to Argentina, but they refuse; we are just asking compliance with UN resolution 2065 and the successive resolutions since then, and not only in the UN, but with OAS, Mercosur, Unasur, Group of Rio, etc.”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Brutish answer “UK diplomatic sources said that the resolution Mrs Kirchner referred to was decades old”
Mr Camoron is surrounded by bunch of genius people lol.
Great job Cristina!
@2 The falklands inhabitants wanted to sit down and talk with Cristina but she refused.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklanders are the ones living there, do they not deserve a voice? it was centuries since they first inhabited the islands. They arethe indigenous people now. Argentina wasnt even a country when they arrived.
The UK will return the Falklands to Argentina when Argentina returns its land to its indigenous peoples, and the immigrants move back to spain/ italy etc and/or live under indigenous law. Or rather, the UK will return them to... noone, as they were uninhabited pre- UK discovery.
meanwhile, CFK is evicting the indigenous people from its lands, like it wants to do to the falklands. What the UK did was hundreds of years ago. This is happening today. Who's the colonialist power now?
I told you before, this Malvinas issue is already in its own way.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Will be continued in other stages and we all will be living happily and in peaceful.
About the Speech… I don’t think I like it very much. Was good but too long for what she has to say.
Facing the MFI is a classic. Malvinas also, the main issue was Iran for me!
One question to all…
It is good to dialogue. If we ask for dialogue with Britain it is reasonable to be open all the nations.
If Iran requests a meeting we have to accept it.
The question is... It was not enough time to be on this stage?
Should a democratic country talk with the terrorists?
I have my doubts. But they suppose to be innocents until they’ll be sentenced.
@4 La Campora stooge
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yours was a bit too long as well, for having nothing to say.
Blather on, all you like. You are really quite impotent and you will answer to the Argentine people.
2065 is dead.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stabbed in the back.
By Argentina
In 1982
RIP 2065
http://www.scribd.com/doc/103643219/Falklands-History
I'm not from L campora please lol I'm not even Kirshnerista.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still young but never voted for a peronist in my life.!
She's must get to a point where she realises that, irrelevent of what she thinks of the islanders, she will realise she has to talk to them. Her aggressive stance isn't giving her any new or changed support. The only countries stepping forward outside of SA are countries that have their own land-grab problems and think that they can set a precedent by supporting Argentina as well.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forget pride, forget what's the right thing or wrong thing in your mind to do, realise that the UK won't talk to you, the islanders will, any future has to involve them unless you intend to kick them out, so just get on with it. Sometimes the goal is more important than the method to achieve it.
I don't support her at all, I'm just stating what I think everyone with political savvy already knows.
And I would add to eradicate poverty and people living in houses like in shantytowns in the Islands.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't want to forget to promote democracy and respect of the law to the little pirates. After all Argentina sure will help them to become civilised.
@9: seeing though Argentina is rated as a flawed democracy and the majority of full democracies are either British descendants or Scandinavians, I'm not sure we have anything to learn from you.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go away, review various world ratings on democracy, freedom of speech, corruption, freedom of the press, see how glowing red or dark yellow Argentina is, reconsider your post.
The same repetition of lies, drivel, historical innacuracy, etc etc etc.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are the MLA's at the UN replying to this drivel, and available for press interviews to counter this crap?
If not why not?
The MLA's can speak at the C24 - that has passed for this year. The next talking will be done at the 4th Committee. That is generally attended by Foreign Ministers. Tinman will be there - and give out the usual crap. The British minister usually just ignores him, other than to state that the British Government “have no doubts ....” etc, etc.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0And there it has died for another year, ever since 1988.
Will Argentina do better. Find out next month :-)
@8 she'll be gone soon enough and the next guy will come in and maybe then they'll try talking to the islanders who'll say great lets work together on stuff but we are who we are. then that guy will start to get in trouble for stealing all the argy money and they'll be thrown out and the whole crazy circle will continue forever!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://webtv.un.org/watch/argentina-general-debate-67th-session/1861207118001/
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Turn off the sound and play the Led Zep classic 'Ramble On' - and you'll get the same message but much easier on the ear.
@12
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, can't they write a letter to the UN through the UK?
I appreciate CFK's talk is drivel but the MLA's should counter her speeeches to put her under more pressure even if it is by writing letters to the UN. (Are they excluded from writing to Ban Ki Moon???).
As this is a' global' issue, the Islanders should not be excluded from commenting, just because they are technically British and not independent.
What an odd woman she is, clearly has had a selective memory by-pass.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0She could have mentioned the illegal trade blockade shows set up, or the threat to destroy perfectly legal companies.
Nobody actually, outside of her world of sycophants , apologists and corrupt little Kirchonists actually take her seriously.
She will be back next year to say exactly the same and nothing will have changed.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently for Marcos, Argentina getting nowhere with their poxy claim is a “good job”. If achieving nothing is a “good job” then I suppose this tells us all we need to know about Argentina.
http://webtv.un.org/watch/h.e.-mr.-hector-marcos-timerman-minister-for-foreign-affairs-of-argentina-media-stakeout/1861346796001/
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems nobody could be bothered to translate Hector. Anyone give a brief account of his main points?
CFK is a complete and utter idiot and like all idiots she thinks everyone else is. She says she just wants to sit down and talk about the sovereignty of the Falklands, er no, remember the amended Argentine constitution regarding The Falklands. She wants full sovereignty. So, nothing to discuss there.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0De-militarise the S Atlantic? Does she mean remove the small British military detachment stationed in The Falklands? I don't think so, this would once more send the wrong message to #CFK and leave the Falklands wide open to attack from Argentina. I have no doubt she would order an attack.
She ignores the fact that the Falkland islanders have the right to self determination. They choose to be British and that status will remain until they choose otherwise.
There is nothing to discuss with CFK. Case closed.
“De-militarise the South Atlantic”?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't Argentina need to disband their Armed Farces and scuttle their rowboats, too?? Only fair.
Argentina, change the locks on all the doors while she is away, and chuck her black dress collection ...
We still have to hear what comes from their meeting with Iran. Argentina has every right to demand answers from them but Iran never does anything for nothing. What are they up to?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some Argies keep bragging about Argentina's nuclear development programmes, swap swap?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is this a global issue? CFKC was banging on that 'it's not fair' that no one listens to her and all countries should be treated the same. In the same speech she declared that Argentina will not play by the same rules as everyone else. Bonkers.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cretina , no one is interested . A quick look at US newspapers and news channels show that your comments were not even reported .
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are far more important things going on in Syria , Iran and off Japan ( now that's a real argument over an insignifigant group of islands ) .
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Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would posters care to offer their opinion on who owns the islands the Chines, Japanese and Taiwanese are fighting over? It's much less clear cut than the Falklands. The problem for the world is that it is between two major powers so cannot be ignored
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@26 I think Argentina owns these Islands. Birds flew over them once on their way to Argentina, and there were some Argentinian visitors who were harshly evicted when their visa ran out. Plus they have some resolutions from a bunch of LatAm neighbours supporting their claim.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN general assembly resolution 2065 - 1965.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“calls upon Britain and Argentina to find a peaceful resolution to the conflict”
UN security council resolution 502 - 1982
“DEMANDS argentina remove all invading forces from the Falkland Islands”
UNGA resolution 2065, not legally binding. Argtards like to claim Britain is in violation of it but...what was 1982 all about. A “peaceful resolution” by way of a war of aggression.
You killed your own resolution, argtards.
502, on the other hand WAS binding. And by your refusal, YOU are in clear breach of the UN charter.
Gutted.
Kirchner says Falklands is 'global issue'
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/9566987/Kirchner-says-Falklands-is-global-issue.html
The Falkland Islands Government wrote to the Government of Argentina at the time of the C24 meeting in NY offering to sit down and talk. GoA first refused to accept the letter, and it having been delivered to them have refused to answer.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0So who exactly is refusing dialogue? Are they scared of talking directly to the people of the Falkland Islands? Do we need to write again? Why will GoA not talk to the Government of the Falkland Islands if all they want is dialogue?
I am sure our MLA's will make the time available to talk.
1st it was a bi-lateral issue between the UK ans Argentina.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 02nd it then became a 'regional' issue of South America with only the Argentines playing.
3rd now it's a 'global' issue with only the Argentines playing.
Strange that! So South America didn't back Argentina beyond a few cooing noises, and now she expects the world to back her, when the world have already stated many times that it's nothing to do with them.
The woman is seriously deluded if she believes that anyone at the UN take her or her muppet government seriously.
@30
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0In my opinion the MLA's need to publicise the fact that Argentina ignored their letter, andalso write some to Ban ki Moon to explain the historical falacies told to the UN to get 2065 passed, and why Argentina's misrepresentation of history makes 2065 invalid.
Aklthough no one takes this big mouthed pre-madonna seriously, her dictats need challenging by the MLA's and publicising as she wishes it to go global.
Give her global!
Instead of worrying about the Falklands she should be more concerned about the fact she looks more and more like Jackie Stallone every day.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinista logic and hypocrisy is breathtaking in its absurdity. I had to laugh at this line in particular, “For Argentina the Islanders are British settlers and thus British citizens”. So, that makes settlers in the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand “British citizens” too. The Falkland Islanders have lived there for generations, longer than Argentina has existed as a nation, and long before KFC's family emigrated to South America.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0As another poster rightly pointed out, Argentina's illegal invasion and occupation in 1982 (the one they've just minted a 2 peso coin to celebrate) rendered UN resolution 2065 null and void.
If the hypocritical b******s want to talk, talk with the people you want to dispossess and ethnically cleanse.
Bla bla bla bla...what was that? Oh, it was the President of Argentina talking about these mysterious islands they call the Malvinas. Oh, so where or what are the Malvinas? Nobody knows as they have invented them and they don't talk to the people that lived there and the strange thing is, they never remember that the rest of the world know these islands as the Falkland Islands. Oh I see now, its islands really called the Falkland Islands and they want them, but, they will not talk to the people who live there, but, they have came here to complain that no one is taking any notice of them, especially Britain. Yes, that is about the sum of it. Well, how silly is that? Very silly indeed.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Yikes! The photo in that link is a shocker. Her neck and face are different colours and neither of them is the colour of any known skin pigment.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK, you can add 'the camera' to the list of things and people that are not your friend. No wonder the shots we see on here are all postage stamp size and shot from 100 feet away. Even BK would be hard pressed to knock one out over that.
Idlehands “spot the difference” competition:
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.anorak.co.uk/330315/celebrities/has-jackie-stallone-divorced-her-face.html/
http://www.anorak.co.uk/330315/celebrities/has-jackie-stallone-divorced-her-face.html/
@37 - Idlehands
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's only through the captions that you can spot the difference. ROFL.
A bit harsh on poor Mrs Stallone.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, Cristina, you want us “to sit & talk”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, no, don't sit down. This will only take a few seconds.
l'll tell you standing up, “There will be NO NEGOTIATIONS on Sovereignty”
Suck it up, baby.
Got to smile at this mad deluded woman, how many times must we tell you that we already have sat down with you and told you to go **** yourself and that the Falklands does not belong to your corrupt country, the name gives it a way FALKLAND, its an English word not a Spanish word. So once again for the benefit of a deluded woman with a plastic face and a deluded country that deludes its self in to thinking that the FALKLANDS belongs to a plastic corrupt country that once belonged to Spain and before that the Natives from that area PISS OF your not getting you grubby little dirty corrupt hands on them unless the people that live there want you to. And that wont happen for, forever and a day
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Cameron's big chance to shut up this crow will be tonight on the David letterman show, tell the world why we have ships and aircraft down there ie 1982, tell them of the constant rhetoric ,threats, attempts to starve the population out and threats against industries, give the audience of millions the real history of the Falkland Islands, tell them that rgenweener doesn't even recognise the Falkland islanders as people and therefore not entitled to the basic human right of self determination, then sit back and watch the bitch squirm. Tell millions around the world that watch the David Letterman show the truth
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@42: agreed.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly CFK was not properly briefed before her presentation. She unfamiliar with the way UN resolutions work. Tells off the UK for flying the flag whilst her government issues a new coin or 2 to celebrate their invasion of the falklands. She complains of a failure to communicate with the UK but won't even talk to the Falklands government. Argentina is flogging dead donkey... and have one for a president.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0She's got herself into a Mexican standoff
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK insists that she sits down and talks with the islanders and allow them their right of self determination. She refuses and the UK refuses to talk (I don't think there is much to actually “negotiate” in terms of sovereignty but there is plenty to talk about in terms of local issues and being good neighbours) over the heads of the islanders
That's it in a nutshell - Simples!
Thank you for the link Idlehands:
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0webtv.un.org/watch/argentina-general-debate-67th-session/1861207118001/
She starts on about the Islands at 25+ mins in the video. If this is a global issue CFK why don't you talk to the people who this effects - the people of the Falkland Islands???????
With the upcoming Falklands democratic referendum and argentinas vile opposition to their rights to SELF-DETERMINATION, is it not time to review Argentinas membership in the UN due to its lack of democratic and human right values, bearing in mind their total intolerance of human rights for both The Falklanders and their own indigenous peoples?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0or at least re-educate Argentina on the principles of democracy and The UN Charter.
SELF-DETERMINATION!
The bit about rgenweener's human rights records and DOUBLE STANDARDS had me pissing myself, she doesn't realise how stupid she looks does she
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Global” he he he!
Give her a few more years and it will be a galactic issue...
@2 Still delusional, aren't you? Shall we remind you that Britain arrived on the Falklands in 1690, 120 years before there was a certain rebel colony? Shall we remind you that Spain only bought the French SETTLEMENT? Shall we remind you that Spain tried to force the British off OUR Islands, and FAILED? Shall we remind you that the UN-recognised Administering Authority for the Falklands is Britain? Shall we remind you that when you illegally invaded OUR territory, the UN told you to get off and you ignored it? What a sad bunch of fuckers you are!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Filthy, lying, genocidal argie!
@9 When will your cesspit become civilised? Shortly after we drop a neutron bomb!
@19 But is she offering to destroy all the armed forces of LatAm? No armies, no navies, no air forces. No tanks, no artillery, no APCs, no warships, no combat aircraft. All to be destroyed under British supervision. Since British territory is what they all threaten.
@22 Oh, goody. Then we can nuke argieland for playing ball with the mullahs? Love it!
@25 This is an unacceptable slur on the Duchess of Cambridge and a future Queen of England. Moreover, it is inaccurate. Middleton was the Duchess' maiden name. She is properly Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Courtesy costs little. Not something I would expect an argie faggot to understand!
@32 All they need to do is send him this: http://falklandshistory.org/sites/default/files/false-falklands-history.pdf
@35 You're missing the point. Let me clarify it. In 1493 one of the most corrupt popes in history issued a bull (short for bullshit) dividing the “New World” between Portugal and Spain. No-one else accepted it at the time. But argies believe it. They've trespassed and got kicked off. They've invaded and got kicked off. There's only one option left, even though it's old-fashioned. They are going to have to be destroyed!
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Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina is the biggest JOKE of a presdient in the world right now and things are about to get ugly towards her in Argentina as she is starting to collaborate with the murderous regime called IRAN. Argentina has historically been a country that collaborated with the Nazis (Evita and Juan Domingo Perón) let the Nazis escape to Argentina and hide in Argentina for decades in exchange for jewelry and works of art that belonged to murdered Jews. And now Cristina is following in their footsteps. There is some of this artwork hanging in the Casa Rosada to this day and some of those jewels are in Cristina Kirchner's possession! And now Cristina is meeting with Iran to strengthen bilateral issues!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0The most disgusting line from this article and from her speech is as follows...
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we should have moved into the XXI century with no colonial territories, which is also an issue of human rights”
An issue of human rights?! I can only assume she means the human rights of Argentines, as she, her Government, the Argentine people, her regional partners and the regional bodies she mentions, all believe that the Falkland Islanders have no human rights. This is a disgusting and cringeworthy attempt to portray Argentina as the victims and as a champion of human rights, while trying to deny people their freedom to choose to ensure Argentina can realise their expansionist dream.
The Islanders have a right to choose their political, cultural, economic and social future, and in March 2013 we will show the world, without question, what path we want and will take.
No Changes there then. CFK challanges Britain to negotiate over our Country. No mention of the Islanders involvment. While at the very same time totaly ignores the request by the UN to stop the campaign against the indigenous people in her Country. It is clear just what would happen to us as a society if Britain ignored us. The Ugly Lady of Argentina would have us all exterminated you could bet on it.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why should we want to become a part of a regime that only has one motive. Worl Power.
We will never give our soverign right away so CFK you can shout all you want in the UN and continue to fool yourself that our Islands are now a global dispute. The only dispute over our homeland is YOU but you aand your trolls are to thick to realise that the world is actually laughing at you with your childish acts.
One day a new Argentina will emerge and the world will be a better place to live in that I am sure off.
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Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you post in English instead of Potugese. You must understand the article to respond and then your responses wouldn't be deleted!!!!!! Your posts are never contraversial so might actually add to the forum IF PEOPLE COULD UNDERSTAND A WORD YOU SAID !!!!!
In the meantime you can read pecurtos posts here:
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@53 - M_of_FI
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN already have this Argentine governments number, and have already raised concerns about this governments abuse of the human rights of the indigenous population of Argentina.
The natives, according to La Campora trolls are from Chile, even though they've lived in this area longer than both Argentina and Chile have existed.
So much for CFK's claim that there should be no more colonialism, when she seems to be the only one trying to colonise, 1st by stealing native lands, and also by trying to steal the Falklands from their rightful indigenous population.
As for the 21st century, I find it curious that she's telling the rest of the world that we are in it, when she and her Peronist buddies are always trying to turn the clock back to a brief moment in 1833.
Bizarre. And basically that's exactly what the world thinks of her. This is not a global issue. This is not a regional issue. This is a bi-lateral issue between the Argentines and the Falkland Islanders. Britain is just there to make sure that the Argentines play nice.
As for demilitarisation. She must think the international community is as gullible as her La Campora zombies. It was barely a month ago when her defence minister stated that the only thing standing in the way of Argentina claiming the Falklands was the presence of the British military.
But we have now demilitarised. We have replaced the 'Death Star' aka Type 45 HMS Dauntless with a 'Super Star Destroyer' aka Type 42 HMS Edinburgh. ;0)
Maybe she should ask her friend in VeneCuba to get rid of the billions of dollars worth of arms he has bought on credit from Russia if she is serious about “demilitarization”.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Iran...she should be calling Chavez to account for his friendship with A-Jad of Iran if he is such a friend of Argentina. She is a hipocrite bar none. And a world embarassment.
So now I've listened to CFK. She is such a hypocrite, she does not value truth, does not value human rights of the islanders or her very own indigenous indians. Will she use the 'guest seat' on the UN security council to push for world peace or the falklands...
Sep 26th, 2012 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We do not ask the UK to tell us we are right, we are asking them to sit down and comply with the United Nation’s resolution over the Malvinas Islands sovereignty“
Sep 26th, 2012 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the reply from the Uk government should go something like ”We are a sovernign nation and we make soverign decisions, we will not react to pressure and threats”
Sound familiar? Its one rule for Argentina and one rule for the rest of the world. I do however agree with her that this is a global issue, however the issue is about wether we should allow neo-collinisms by allowing a group of people to be subjugated to a foreign power agaisnt their wishes. This is a global issue as to wether the right of self dtermination is truelly universal and that people have a right o decide their own future or wether they should be forced to accept rule from a foreign country with whom they share no cultural ties. Bleating to the UN will achive absoutly nothing as the UN will never ever rule that self dtermination does not apply as it is enshrined int he charter and therefore holds legal presecdence over all other documents.
In addition I would suggest that CFK abides by the Un resolutions in which is states any solution must be in line with the intrests of the population. therefore, if they dont want to live under an Argentina government (and to be honest who can blame them) how can it be in their intrests therefore any discussions are a waste of time as no acceptable solution to Argentina can be in accordance with the UN resoultion.
A live stream of David Cameron's speech will be broadcast here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9564986/Watch-live-United-Nations-General-Assembly.html
Sep 26th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boovis,
Sep 26th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that, alternativly avalible here: http://webtv.un.org/
I feel embarrassed on behalf of Argentineans. If CFK continues to have wide support at home, one can only conclude:
Sep 26th, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Good quality news is not widely available.
2) There are a lot of foolish people supporting her.
What a joke. Get over it Argies!
9 Dany
The “little pirates” gave you a good beating in ’82.
LEP
Sep 26th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see you are learning about things following these threads.But when you are learning you need to approach information with an open mind.
For example.An issue can be a global issue at the same time as a regional and bi-lateral.The treatment of indigenous people in Australia,for example,is an issue between the indigenous people and the state gvt as well as between them and the Australian gvt and between them and the international community.
Can you do the same exercise but replace the aboriginal people of Australia with the people living on the Malvinas.
Also can you clarify what it means exactly when the UN raises concerns about an issue and what number they have allocated to Argentina.Or is it like a yellow card and not a red card that other people use flippantly use to raise the profile of an concern they might have.
When reading about the Falklands and Argentina's incessant claim on them, that they're illegally colonized, blah blah blah, I always think of Saint Pierre and Miquelon. Those are 2 islands that are owned by France, the people are happy to be a part of France, and there aren't any problems with Canada....a country so close you could practically hit it with a rock. Canada doesn't cause problems and say nonsense like “Saint Pierre and Miquelon are Canadian...etc.”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's my only comment. I find the comparison interesting. I guess comparing Canada and Argentina is apples and oranges though.
@64
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably because France nor the UK want to destroy Canada. The UK and France are trying to destroy Argentina.
Paranoid are we?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is France trying to destroy Argentina?
This should be a doozy!
@67
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Holding claims on the Antarctic, which they have no business claiming. It's a racist attack against us.
The article is excellent, if the argentine press that is against c. f k's government were like mercopress, we would have a very serious and reliable press, due to mercopress never distorts any of cristina's expressions and informs with veracity, however it doesn't happen with the most important newspapers in argentina, (clarin and la nación), which distort and lie almost all the time about c. f. k's words.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her statement yesterday was briliant, she said one more time that her gov. is not asking the u k to tell them that they are right, but it asks the u. k to resume the conversations like the u. n and many integrants of the int. comunity manifest, her words destroy the ignorant and mediocre analysis that the lawmakers from the islands express when they refer to the argentine posture about this conflict. Anyway, in my opinion, i think she continues committing a big mistakes, because she doesn't include the gov. from the islands to discuss about the sovereignty, cristina always manifests that the dialogue must be with the u. k. On the other and, neather the gov. from the islands, nor the u. k . have never accepted to discuss about the sovereignty which is the main problem. Beyond the lack of intellectual honesty of many of the people who publish their opinions in this forum, and who always blame arg. only for the actual scenario, someday they will have to understand that despite the fact that c. f. k doesn't include the government from the islands in the conversations, if she says that her gov. is not asking the u. k. to tell them that they are right, or to recognize that the islands are argentine, like she expressed last june 14th at the decolonization committe, it means that if the islanders want to remain under british gov., arg. won't be able to force them to accept only the argentine sovereignty, but it doesn't mean that both gov. can't find a fair solution, due to this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation, by the d. c.
Argentine is not a race silly. What have you been learning in school?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.nsf.gov/od/opp/antarct/anttrty.jsp is this another treaty you choose to ignore?
The Governments of Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Chile, the French Republic, Japan, New Zealand, Norway, the Union of South Africa, The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America,
Recognizing that it is in the interest of all mankind that Antarctica shall continue forever to be used exclusively for peaceful purposes and shall not become the scene or object of international discord;
Acknowledging the substantial contributions to scientific knowledge resulting from international cooperation in scientific investigation in Antarctica;
Convinced that the establishment of a firm foundation for the continuation and development of such cooperation on the basis of freedom of scientific investigation in Antarctica as applied during the International Geophysical Year accords with the interests of science and the progress of all mankind;
Convinced also that a treaty ensuring the use of Antarctica for peaceful purposes only and the continuance of international harmony in Antarctica will further the purposes and principles embodied in the Charter of the United Nations;
@63 - Yuleno
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your post doesn't make any sense, a bit like your President doesn't make any sense.
@67 - Tobias
Your paranoia is a strong as ever. Britain and France couldn't give a toss about Argentina, except that you owe us money, and refuse to pay it back like the deadbeats your government is.
As for the Antarctic, the British were their long before Argentina existed, so get over it.
The only racist attacks that have happened lately are your government attacking defenceless natives. Oh and your own racist attacks against Europeans, native Amerindians and anyone else who doesn't agree with your imperialist colonial expansionism.
Bah, she barely talked about Malvinas, it literally took me more time to read this article than to hear Cristina talk about it for a minute, she actually went on and on about Iran and such...
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No country has claims of Antartica! How is it a racist attack! What claim does Argetnina have over the Antartic? The only one I can think of is proximity which provides no claim in international law. Like Yankee said I suggest you read the antartic treaty and understand that there can be no sovernignity claim over the Antartic.
@70
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you fooking nuts? Argentina has been there since 1904, in permanent fashion, when everyone else had gone away.
Sound familiar?
So nope, it is ours. It is the UK and France that later settled there permanently.
Dont' take my word for it
http://en.mercopress.com/2004/01/03/argentina-s-first-century-in-antarctica
from a PDF document
“Of all the claimant nations, Argentina has had the longest presence in Antarctica, starting in 1904. ”
minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/country/1994/9501094.pdf
USGS
So, bye bye UK, and France. It's ours, and can't do shit about it. Remember just like with the Falklands, it's who starts permanent occupation first, not who first sighted or set foot on it.
I'm consistent, and honest, that's the difference between me and you filthy brits/europeans.
“Oh and your own racist attacks against Europeans, native Amerindians and anyone else who doesn't agree with your imperialist colonial expansionism.”
You are utterly nuts. You are a racist, look at your double standards at us. Falklands, you settle first, yours.
Antarctica, we settle first, yours.
hahahahaha, now you know why a Brit (or Euro) is not worth of any basic human respect.
@73 You are funny. One little boy still attached to his mother's apron strings claims Antarctica. Sweet.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44: What irony. At the UN meeting over the summer she refused to recognize the democratically elected representatives of territory she wants to slam her boot heel down on to*while in the same room*, she claimed to disown the conduct of the Galtieri Junta (“We're not them...” blah blah) now she and her treasury claims ownership over the expansion of Galtieri's dictatorship to the Falklands by issuing commemorative coinage of the bringing mainland fascist militarism and colonialism onto the necks of the Falkland Islanders in 82.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, “Malvinas” apologists, we now have an endorsement by Argentina of the boot on the human face, courtesy of CKF. When you mint it, you own it loud and proud -- just like when the Germans issued a commemorative Deutsche Mark in the 20th anniversary of annexing the Sudetenland, and when Japan did the same for the Invasion of Manchuria, and the US's special state-issue of South Dakota quarter featuring Wounded Knee, and... . Oh wait...
@74
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you can't disprove the links that I just posted, which are Mercopress itself (hardly a pro-argie outfit), and an American government entity. Both are admitting we have been there longer than anyone else in a permament fashion, and that is a big part of sovereignty. That and population count, were we win also:
http://www.indexmundi.com/antarctica/population.html
So, longest military and scientific presence, most population, geographic propinquity, first permanent settlement (Esperanza), first person born in Antarctica
http://www.indexmundi.com/antarctica/population.html
I rest my case. The UK has nothing to claim, nor France. The facts hurt huh?
Toby, Will you be removing the USA base there? I would start by sending an email to Hillary Clinton at the State dept.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.usap.gov/
I love to watch Toby get crazier with every post...it is the main reason I come here.
@77
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who said anything about removing anyone? All the current bases can stay, just under the argentine flag.
Argentina can't really use the “we've been there the longest” argument as long as they are laying claim to the Falklands.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is true, but that is partly why I think the issue should be dropped, more importantly because the people there are Brits, which they want to maintain.
However, I have no doubt that if we did somehow renounce the Falklands, the UK being the world's biggest hypocrite would double down on Antarctica, living well to their long history as a race of untrustworthy geopolitical criminals.
@78 Unfortuantly for you Argentina signed the antartic treaty in 1959 in which it agreed that no country can claim the antartic continent. This post dates 1904 and as such hold slegal prescendece i.e. in 1959 Argentine signed away any claim it had as did all the nations that signed the treaty. Sorry just like everyone else you have no claim to OWN the continent. Also how exacly did Argentina start the first permanent settlement in Falklands it was France in 1764 followed by the UK in 1765 Spain in 1767 and Argentine in 1820.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 079. Also its not true. And I don't see Argentina mentioned anywhere in the first 150 yrs of it's history do you?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.antarcticaonline.com/history/history.htm
Toby, I would immediately contact:
Debra Wing, NSF
703.292.5344
dwing@nsf.gov
and let her know you intend to replace the USA flag for the Argentinian flag flying over the base.
Please post her response.
I love to watch you melt down.
I love that TTT is so narcissistic that he thinks one insignificant boy from Mendoza dictates to the world.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even the batty President of Argentina's ego is not that big.
@81
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a liar and you know it. How sad for you, but it sure butresses my case (which is based on the facts).
The Antarctic treaty did not in any form or shape whatsoever “do away” with the claims, or with the history pre-1959. It imposed a “freeze in time” of them.
So when the treaty expires, everything simply resets back to how it was. Like stopping real time... if you could do that, you would be frozen too, its not like everyone and everything is frozen but you can still move about. Everything is put on hold, so that when it resumes, there is no one that had any advantage.
@82
So you are admitting that the USA does not care about international law? Good, thank you. But everyone else already knew you are not worth the respect given to a larva, worthless human beings morally speaking.
You don't need to fly our flag, you can stay all you want, it is the territory that will be ours based on all the data I put forth, which NONE of you have denied or disproved... because you can't. (and because it is your own government and Mercopress itself that admit it).
hahahaha.
What is this obsession with flags? Even if the entire anarctic existed under an Argentine flag they'd have no capability to do anything with it. If economic activity did begin in antarctica you can bet that the Argentine contribution would be pushing the burger van round and frying the chips.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are talking about a country like the UK that is disintegrating. Please.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Move on!
What really made me laugh was how TMBOA has decided that the west has mis-interpreted what happened with the 'Arab spring' and (by inference) is responsible for the death of the American Ambassador.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rest of it was the usual junk and how 'it wasn't us mister'.
Best yet TIT talking about international law laughed so hard I nearly pissed myself. You are a numpty mate, you pretend to know a lot but in fact know fook all, im sure you just scan over all these things you google instead of reading them properly, always read the small print and remember anyone can update wiki stop making an arse of yourself FFS, do some proper homework and fookin grow up. Antarctica belongs to no one pal, if you cared so much why don't you have a Antarctic survey ship constantly monitoring the situation, why do you constantly rely on the UK / US AND other countries for your data, I'll tell you why you are decades behind in your technology so eat shit and go to bed knobhead
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 40 Isolde= @ 77 Yankeeboy etc etc etc.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here she is again, “Mrs Vagina Neck” “Courtesy Stiches” “Mrs.Touching Toes”,
Miedosa y Asquerosa posting under different names in this Port-A-John page...
of course,....
the UK TEAM claims “winning” the biggest CRAP contest...
old rubbish bloody english people are known all around the world as “rubbish bloody”.....keep away from the rubbish bloody UK TEAM!
70# LEP.Its quite straightforward really.You said the UN had concerns.You focused on the Malvinas issue.You said the UN has argentina's number.You are the one who raised the issue of indigenous people.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you having difficulty understanding that.How do you understand speeches and audiences.Do you have difficulty with that.
Same old same old...lies and half truth from Rg,s. Nobody is listening and her own people have bothered to travel to NY to demonstrate against her. Down with Kretina and her lies booooooo
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@89 2012
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Sussie, how are you today?
How much would it be for you sell me a rusty trombone?
You so nasty!
Another little note to make CFK's visit a little more pleasant:
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Down, Down, Down
By Andrew Stuttaford
September 25, 2012 7:38 P.M. Comments12
From FT/Alphaville:
Poor Argentina.
Once it was a ‘Developed’ economy, for investment purposes. Then it stepped down to become ‘Advanced Emerging’ (unintuitively), before becoming plain ‘Secondary Emerging.’ Next came relegation to ‘Frontier’ (‘wild’, rather than ‘new’). And now this…
“The following markets have been confirmed as Watch List countries at this Review:
“Argentina – Possible demotion from Frontier
That’s from the FTSE Group’s annual country classification review. There’s nothing below ‘Frontier” in FTSE’s world view.
@ 89 James cook explores Antarctica in 1773 how long before rgenweener existed? It's ours I tell you .... lost again !!!!!!!!!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@90 - Yuleno
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a difference. The world recognises British sovereignty over the Falklands. All they want Argentina to do is pay off the money you owe the international community, and stop breaking international trade agreements.
The hypocrisy of your government is staggering. On a scale never seen before.
Your government wants to have it all it's own way, and refuses to follow the same rules and laws everyone else in the world does, whilst at the same time accusing the rest of the world of not following the rules, and when they do you accuse them of 'picking' on you (this is really how pathetic your government is).
Your government also shows its blatant hypocrisy over colonialism, when they seem to be the only ones interested in colonising other people's lands. They accuse Britain of not living in the 21 st century, when they are the ones who keep trying to turn the clock back to a 3 month period in 1833 when an illegal penal colony from the UP mutinied, murdered their own commanding officer, and raped his wife. Your government are the ones who blab on about human rights when they are the ones denying those very same rights to the people of the Falklands and the indigenous people's of South America.
Your government even blames its own people. It's the fault of the upper class, the middle class, the working class, the unions etc... Well if all these people can see something is wrong about how the government is working, then have you ever thought to yourself that they might be right, and the government wrong?
I know it's difficult for you brainwashed la Campora trolls to think for yourselves, but until you do, your government will continue to rob you blind whilst at the same time buggering up your economy, and your future.
Argentina needs to grow up and accept responsibility for its own actions, instead of blaming everyone else. Until you do, no one in the world will take you seriously, and Argentina will never develop its full potential.
Those are Argentines that escaped ass lips oppressive and anti middle class policies.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some images to keep ass lips warm and fuzzy when she heads back to the land of Oz
http://s1064.beta.photobucket.com/user/CaptainPoppy1/media/580356_10151194786248728_2001742477_n_zps059d8e8c.jpg.html?filters[user]=131749904&filters[recent]=1&filters[media%5Ftype]=video&sort=1&o=1#/user/CaptainPoppy1/media/580356_10151194786248728_2001742477_n_zps059d8e8c.jpg.html?filters%5Buser%5D=131749904&filters%5Brecent%5D=1&filters%5Bmedia_type%5D=video&sort=1&o=1&_suid=134867765505609459582449618036
@ 92 Isolde known as “Vagina Neck” “Courtesy Stiches” “Mrs.Touching Toes”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0answering under another name to prove that the “UK TEAM” is winning the biggest CRAP web site contest!...what else can the “UK TEAM” DO WITH THEIR ENGLISH LANGUAGE? ,,,,,,....just ... dropping more CRAP in this Port-A-John contest....OH, yes, the UK TEAM is the Winner ....of the Biggest Crap!...
lol
Cap, That is quite a big crowd! There aren't too many Rgs living in NYC so I wasn't expecing many.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh for gosh sakes she's going to do a speach at GT in Spanish! Good gracious how embarrasing. Her entourage look like hoodlems, chewing gum, bad suits, bad hair, yikes!
They came from Connecticut....Maryland the entire east coast to yell at her
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 2012
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey why you so mad init. can I from you rusty trombone buy please?
Special delivery please init.
“The Government replied to Cristina Malvinas”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://tn.com.ar/politica/el-gobierno-de-malvinas-le-responde-a-cristina_273658
UN resolution 2065 is dead killed by Argentina in 1982.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This witch is impossible to follow...do the Rgs understand this rambling stream of conciousness?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's claim is similar, and about as moral, as Saddam Hussein's claim to Kuwait. That Kuwait was a natural part of Iraq carved off, as a result of British imperialism.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch the master class at Georgetown live. Maybe we all can learn a little bit more. And also maybe some of your arguments could be answered!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.georgetown.edu/webcast/argentina-president.html
Cheers!
For those watching, David Cameron speaks in a moment, after Mexico has finished.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gaston I am watching it now. Your Presidenta por Vida is making a fool out of herself rambling about nonsense using 1/2 truths, incorrect facts and fantasy to make her arguments.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, what can we expect from you !
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An absolute situation where estoppel is an appropriate remedy. Argentina breaches a UN resolution and then has the effrontery to ask for it's reinstatement.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 076 TT
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A correction: Chile is closer to Antarctica. Remember Cabo de Hornos is ours.
Anyhow, proximity is not a good argument, the fact that the British claimed both the Chilean and Argentinean sections before we did is always going to be a problem. If our claims are valid, then theirs are too.
I doubt the French are interested in undermining Arg claims in Antarctica, because their claim does not overlap Argie’s.
If Argie has an established presence on one tiny corner of the peninsula, they might have an argument to claim that tiny corner, but to project that insignificant presence over a vast territory is delusional and threadbare.
@108 She is seriously embarrassingly dumb. I am cringing.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is your job to send a neo liberal speech and to speak against Argentina!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What on earth is she on about??!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The interpreter is struggling! ;)
Re: georgetown speech, it's lucky CFK has now said twice (there and at the UN) she doesn't want to be told she's right, because she rarely is.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The President, very eloquent as usual.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK thinks the resporters are to uncivilized to give a press conference and at a press confernece she is too important to have questions asked of her.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow!
She has been asked why she does not take questions from students and the press. She basically said that in Argentina they are not civilised, so they cannot hold press conferences.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN Resolution 2065 (XX) states that a peaceful solution should be found based on the UN Charter (To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination), Resolution 1514 (XV) (All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's dopey Kirchner that refuses to discuss finding a peaceful solution as directed by the UN.
I can't watch her anymore, she is an embarrassment. How could any country elect someone that THICK as their leader? No wonder Argentina is lurching from one crisis to another, she has no clue.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ugh I 'm out too. She is really nuts. NPD and paranoia..lovely combination.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not liking what you hear right mister???
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David Cameron's on webtv.un.org, less mental, still a politician, but at least he's slightly respected in the world and might drop two or three sensible sentences.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL stay a bit longer....she is now offering tours of Buenos Aires and claiming inflation could not be 25% because people are eating in restaurants and shopping. Sure they are shopping and stockpiling before the currency crashed and the shelves are empty.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep reminding them of their obligations to the world Mme President,
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0121 GastonBaires
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody likes hearing a mentally unwell person embarass themselves in public.
Cinderella came back after five minutes and full of joy exclaimed:
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm still the most beautiful in the world”
Then Tom Thumb went in and within minutes left happy shouting:
“Still no one smaller than me”
Dumbo came out happy and then flapping his ears said:
“I'm still the only flying elephant”
Ali Baba came in escorted by his 40 thieves. After 10 minutes he came out full of rage and insulting:
“Who the fuck is Cristina Kirchner and his cabinet”
Maybe while she's visiting the US she can pop over to disneyland and get more members for her mickey mouse operation of a government.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice speech of Cameron :))))))))))))))))))
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 095# LEP oh LEP all you write there,almost,could be directed at the Brits.How you want to colonise places not in the UK.How you are being robbed under the guise of negative/low growth,when your own gvt created it.Decieved into thinking you are important in the world,while your gvt spends your money helping the USA to install regimes that are acceptable to you and not the people of an independant state.Do you know your PM is promising Egypt your money to secure the gains of the Arab spring,when for Egypt,the principle gain was to rid itself of the tyrant that the UK and others installed and protected.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are learning aren't you.New word for today= TROLL.
I don't know what it means but you will tell me.
She is trying to crack jokes to avoid answering a question about Hugo Chavez. “Let's take one bit at a time, said Jack the Ripper”. Oh, dear Lord, take her away for her thorazine injection. She is embarrassing herself and her country.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack the Ripper is probably the nickname for her cosmetic surgeon.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whew what an embarrasement. After yesterday and today she has get those meds fixed.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Want to bet the Argentina Chair at GT doesn't make it 2 years.
Difficult to know where to start with this one, suffice to say wrong on just about every level.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Patricularly liked the, ”colonial territories, which is also an issue of human rights”, reference.
And good luck with persuading Brazil and the US to stop militarizing the S Atlantic.
Not to worry though, the IMF got a right slagging.
Mostly for internal consumption, rather than external effect, she must realize that many people there believe a different story to the one she tells, on just about every issue.
@ 84 Truth_Telling_Troll
Correct, nothing you do while the treaty is in effect can later be used to enhance your claim.
So Argentina implanting a foreign population on British Territory since 1959 will not count.
An illegal occupation does not gain legitimacy through the passage of time, who said that I wonder.
The Claims remain as they were in 1959, when Argentina and Chile had easily the weakest of all claims.
I sex up Argentina !
Sep 26th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They hàve no any chances likely war between UK who have
so mañy new téchnology mass destruction weapoñs which onè is called -- stork leggéd kate middleton --rockets.
I loved this comment from a blogger on today's Daily Torygraph....
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ This woman would make a boil on the arse of Satan look good.”
Chuckle chuckle
Tipsy ya drunk again,
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well you heard it at the UN and the world has been informed,
The indocronoughts are on the rampage,
And the war clouds are looming,
But what does it all mean,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
until CFK talks to the Falklanders, she will never know or understand what the world [except south America] already knows,
The islands are British by consent of the islanders, who freely wish to remain so,
Still,
She likes to talk, and her indocronoughts like to listen...,
[ps /ps]
,
We have to explain everything to some people,,,,,,,,,,,,
Well I thought she was right on all counts.............Just joshing what a fookin deluded waste of space she is, funniest thing I've seen since still game :)
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For you Briton mate!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/depeche+mode/dream+on_20039291.html
“Of all the claimant nations, Argentina has had the longest presence in Antarctica, starting in 1904. ”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/country/1994/9501094.pdf
So, longest military and scientific presence, most population, geographic propinquity, first permanent settlement (Esperanza), first person born in Antarctica
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TTT,
The 1904 base is the Orcadas base,the meteorological station on Laurie Island, part of the South Orkney islands, which were first claimed by the UK in 1821. The Station was set up by the Scot William Bruce in 1903. He then sold it to the Argentine government, who took over in 1904. Bruce did not sell sovereignty to Argentina.
The Esperanza base on the Antarctic peninsula dates from 1952.
There is no such thing as proximity as the basis for territorial sovereignty in international law. In any case the South Orkneys aren't even close to Antarctica as they are 350nmi away. Argentina's presence in the South Orkneys would at most be a basis for a claim to the South Orkneys, nothing else.
The UK's first formal claim in mainland Antarctica was in 1832 (Graham Land - Antarctica Peninsula) extended to its present boundaries in 1917. Argentina did not make a formal claim in mainland Antarctica until 1943, even later than the Chilean claim which was in 1940
cheers.lol.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129 - Yuleno
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your grasp of history is tenous to say the least. The UK did not install the previous Egyptian regime, in fact during the Seuz crises the British and French were oppossed to that regime.
Further to your comments about colonialism. Yes in the past the UK, Spain, France, Belgium, Holland etc.. all created colonies. Your country is the product of that colonialism
But, as your president says, now we are in the 21st century, and in the 21st century Argentina is the would be coloniser not the UK.
The people of the Falklands have a history of 180 years continuous inhabitation. Under 21 st century law that means that the islands belong to them, and they have the right to determine their own allegiance.
No amount of threats, begging and crying from Argentina will ever change that, will it?
Another quote from the daily Torygraph
Sep 26th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Medusa without her curlers”
Time to get the LOLercoaster out...........
Yank the Uk was traing for years to kick out Argentina from the G20 and look where they are... Almost jumping into the abyss!!!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am assuming if they get booted from the IMF they'll get booted from every world economic forum. It's not like you see N Korea or Myanmar doing much with the big boys.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems like the USA has washied its hands regarding Argentina I guess we figure when it impodes Brazil will have to help bail it out.
Fernández de Kirchner stressed that “Argentina is an example to the world when it comes to human rights.”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this woman is out there, playing with the fairies.............
@142 too old
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”“Medusa without her curlers”
Thanks for that.
LOL !!
@143 Really? What conspiracy theory is this? A continuation of the anti-English sentiment imbedded in the minds of Argentines as part of their nationalistic training?
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think for one moment that Argentina gets a lot of thought from the UK with the exception of the bullying of Falkland Islanders.
That said, Chile is a more worthy candidate for the G20.
141#I80 years hardly classifies a population to be an indigenous people.Colonial only applies to a traditional population,otherwise the population is comparable to Northern Ireland where they claim to be British do the descendants of the occupiers.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm afraid the suez crisis was during a much earlier period the Sadat era let alone the Mubarack regime.The Mubarack regime had been heavily supported by the UK ( and others).Are you an expert on history or do you just think you are.Dont bother trying to dictate where an era starts because it is accept in Egyptian history,that the Nasser period end with Sadat followed by Mubarack.Or do you think different.
148 Yuleno
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody said we were indigenous.
Where does it say that 'colonial' only applies to a traditional population?
How about the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica, St Lucia...
How about the Chagos Islanders? There's nothing very indigenous about them. How about the rest of the British Overseas Territories? Do you think St Helena should be a BOT for ever, because they aren't indigenous?
You aren't making any sense.
He seems to know a lot about Egyptian history,
Sep 26th, 2012 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think he knows who built the pyramids.
@139
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems TTT doesn't get the idea of a lease, any more than he gets the idea of a loan.
Rest of the world calls on Argentina to shut the f up
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem solved....If one replies with the same incoherent sh*t at “Sussie” or “2012” she shuts up and doesn't reply.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All we have to do now is get David Cameron to apply the same tactic to Frau Scrote Throat.
http://ukun.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=PressS&id=816014282#.UGN5eH8_KAk.twitter
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British reply to CFK
A standing ovation?
So they say….
CFK walks out in disgust,
So they say,
What do I know, I wasn’t their.>>>>
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I found this on the net.
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¿DEBERIAMOS RECLAMAR LAS TIERRAS QUE NOS DESPOJARON EN LA GUERRA DE LA TRIPLE ALIANZA?
La Argentina reclama las Islas Malvinas como suyas, ahora en poder de Inglaterra. Asegura que los ingleses le arrebataron ese pedazo de tierra en 1833. Paradójicamente 40 años después de esa prepotencia colonial, la Argentina se quedó con 94.090 Km2 de tierras de Paraguay como botín de guerra de la Triple Alianza, lo que serían actualmente las provincias de Misiones y Formosa. Deberíamos también nosotros reclamar las tierras que nos despojaron en esa cruenta guerra? Opiná que te leemos...
DO WE SHOULD RECLAIM THE LAND THAT WE STRIPPED IN THE WAR OF THE TRIPLE ALLIANCE?
The Argentina claims the Falkland Islands as theirs, now in the possession of England. It ensures that the English took him away that piece of land in 1833. Paradoxically 40 years after this colonial arrogance, the Argentina stayed with 94.090 Km2 of land of Paraguay as spoils of war of the Triple Alliance, what are today the provinces of Misiones and Formosa. Should we also reclaim the land which we stripped in that bloody war? Opiná you read... (Translated by Bing) Well C.F.K do you plan to give these provinces back to Paraguay ? The moral high ground can be a little hot !
@ 40
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, We want to talk and sit with uk goverment that they usurped our islands 179 years ago!! insolde, you understand baby
Daleks,
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cybermen,
Zombies,
CFK
And what do they have in common.
You just can’t talk to them,
They won’t listen,
They never learn,
All they want to do,
Is invading and take what is not theirs.
Destroying all who get in their way.
Press , innocent people , reporters , nuns …..
.mmmmmm
benny, you really make me laugh with your comments!!!
Sep 26th, 2012 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@156
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sit down with the islanders and talk with them or it's no dice
Your choice.
@156 portly argie
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The government of the Falkland Islands is, surprise!!, the Falkland Island Government, the FIG, not the UK Government.
They live many miles away, but are closer friends than many of FI's closest neighbours.
There are, according to some old hand-drawn maps, some Islas Malvinas around somewhere, but nobody has ever seen them or met anyone claiming to be from there. Perhaps nobody lives there?
The main question here is, “If CFK is so determined on this issue why doesn't she stop raising it in pointless forums with no legislative power and do something useful?”
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So far she's tried the OAS (the only countries there we give a shit about are the USA and canada and they were both like “meh” on the issue), the C24 (which we don't care about, has no power to influence anything and is the wrong place for a territorial dispute anyway), the G20 (which also can't be arsed with the dispute and just wants argentina to stop being such a deadbeat and pay its debts), and now the UNGA (which also has no legislative power over us).
It's almost like she doesn't actually want to DO anything useful or substantial and just wants to make it *look* like she's doing something by shrieking about it to tons of other people who really don't give a shit.
@161 I think you could be right...
Sep 26th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She picks situations that will never result in a successful outcome (for Argentina) that she can push as hard as she likes and create those “Putin-esque” photo ops (maybe they should get together one day!).
She hopes this will play well at home - fat chance!
Puerto Argentin0 - 3 months ago a formal offer to sit down and talk with Arg Govt was made by the elected Islands Govt and delivered to your Ambassador in London for forwarding to Buenos Aires.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0So far there has been NO Reply - a TOTAL SILENCE from Buenos Aires.
It is not us who are refusing to talk!
“”“Sorry, We want to talk and sit with uk goverment that they usurped our islands 179 years ago!!”“”“
Sep 27th, 2012 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you say it enough times do you think people will stop believing the actual historical facts and start believing this Argentine myth instead?
Seems kinda airy-fairy wishful thinking to me... because if Argentina had such a rock-solid claim why havent they taken it to court?
Of course you might counter that by asking ”Why havent the British” but the answer to that is easy: Because it belongs to the Falklands PEOPLE and they are already there, already own it and always will... regardless of the renewed attempt at colonialism by the current Argentine government.
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What is odd about Argentina's government is highlighted by two of the current Mercopress articles: 1 covers the CFK saying that this is a world issue, whilst refusing to even acknowledge that the Falklands people exist, and how the UK should bow to UN pressure, 2 is the Argentine president (CFK) saying that Argentina is a Sovereign nation and will not bow to ANY external pressure or orders.
You know what? It doesnt take a particle physicist to spot the contradictions there, but it does seem that CFK doesnt know her physics (a bit like her history).
What CFK has still failed to relaise is that “the world” all asks the same question: WHy doesnt she just be nice to the Falklands People and convince them to become part of Argentina... she only has to convince a couple of thousand people... not convince the billions she is current trying to convince.... when you think about that it kinda says everything you need to know.....
Question:
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the government of Argentina, instead of going to London, speaks to Port Stanley, would you be willing to negotiate sovereignty?
Explain your answer
Malvi.
@165 Malvi
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you offering?
Nice question, please answer it.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to know the opinions?
How can sovereignty be negotiated if Argentina have nothing to offer in return?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@165
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Question
Would you be willing to negotiate the sovereignty of argentina?
Where does this woman get her information? The last UN resolution calling for talks between the UK and Argentina re the Falklands was in 1988. In 1989 the UK and Argentina sat down and talked. They came to an agreement, the “sovereignty umbrella” agreement. The UK has complied with UN requests. That Argentina wants to go back on agreements (like that is a big surprise) is a matter for Argentina.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0@165 - Malv
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would Argentina offer the Islanders that would make them want to change their sovereignty?
Would you:
-Let them have their own democratically elected government.
-Only pay taxes to this islands government.
-Keep all the revenue from the exploitation of the natural resources around the islands.
-Allow them to keep and their own language, traditions, currency and culture.
-Protect them from any aggressive neighbours.
-Allow them to travel freely around the world.
-Allow them to buy as many US dollars as they wish.
-Allow them to import goods and services without having to export items to a similar value.
-Allow them to buy goods with their credit cards and PayPal accounts without imposing a 15% tax on them.
-Give them the option of becoming an independent country in their own right in the future should they wish to do so.
Can Argentina offer these things? The UK does. So what can Argentina offer that is better than this?
Not only that, but the Argentine government has shown time and time again that it doesn't honour treaties, so even if they offered the Islanders this and more, who would actually trust them to stick to any agreements once sovereignty had been transferred?
So Argentina has nothing to offer the people of the Falklands. The British guarantee their freedom and give them the option of full independence should they wish it. Argentina offers them oppression and aggression.
Tell you what. Grow up as a country. Take responibility for what happens in your country, and hold your government accountable, instead of blaming everyone in the world. Sort out the corruption, and then you'll be able to exploit all your countries natural resources for the benefit of all Argentine citizens.
Prove that you have a stable governmental system where corruption has been virtually wiped out, a stable justice system where police and judges can't be corrupted. Then come back and talk to the islanders.
But I won't hold my breath on that happening soon.
@171 Good answer. I think that if for some reason the islanders wanted to negotiate on their sovereignty, whether that is to become independent or (for some reason that we can't foresee now) become Argentinian, then the wishes of the majority should prevail and the UK should accept that.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So 165, 167, the answer to the question is yes. In exactly the same way as we listen to the wishes of the Falklanders now, when it looks like they will vote enequivocally for the status quo in the referendum next year, if that changes and the majority votes for it, then the UK would respect their democratically expressed wishes.
So the argument here seems to be “We won't talk to the islanders because they won't give us sovereignty either”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I never liked Cameron, never voted for him and never will. However, compared to the likes of CFK and her despicable cronies, the man is a paragon of honour and virtue.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@174 - Alexei
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's face it. CFK makes Jeffery Archer seem like a paragon of honour and virtue. ;0)
@150 briton,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone knows that Argentina built the pyramids.
@165 Malvinese1833,
Our country is not for sale.
ls yours?
Would YOU discuss Argentina's Sovereignty with a foreign power?
No?
Neither will we.
@156 Puerto-someting or other,
No understandee, no talkee
Better you go away & tellee lie someplace else.
How will CFKC cope with her complete and utter failure to make any progress whatsoever on colonising the Falklands? She will go down in Argentine history as utterly incompetent.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@177
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure her bags are already packed for Venezuela anyway.
@156
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Sorry, We want to talk and sit with uk goverment that they usurped our islands 179 years ago!! insolde, you understand baby”
Argentina didn't exist 179 years ago.
Vernet was= asked by the government of the Buenos Aires government in 1829 (not 1820) to claim theFalkland Islands but there is aproblem. The governor at that time had MURDERED the previos one in Buenos Aires thuis making that government illegal. Also vernot also asked permission for his settlement from the British. If he was convinced of the BA claim to the Falkland Islands, why did he ask permission from the British Government to be there?
So according to family documents of the Vernet's (read out at the UN this year) the first time the Falkland Islands were claimed for the Buenos aires government was 1829. Vernet was removed by the USA who did not accept this claim. The illegal garrison which became a murder/rape fest arrived in October 1832 and was asked to leave in January 1833. Three years is not enough of a valid claim when compared with the British claim that started in 1690, then the first British settlement was 1765-1774. that is NINE years, three times as long as the alledged BA settlement claim.
Not only that, the UK did not drop its claim.
Also your claim ran for three years. Even excluding the British claim, either from 1690, or 1765, from 1833 the Falkland Islands has been under british juristiction for 179n years (minus 3 months in 1982, when the UK did not drop its claim).
It was the military garrison october 1832 to January 1833 that USURPED Britains claim to the Islands , and they were rightly expelled.
No no no no no no no no no no no no
Sep 27th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At United Nations: Britain responds firmly to
Spain , Argentina , no no no no no no no
Do you understand,
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British Military,,,
More than 3,000 sailors and marines are gearing up for a three-month training deployment
of the UK's high-readiness task force
Royal Navy warships, Royal Marines commandos and naval airpower, which make up the Response Force Task Group
HMS Ocean launched repeated Apache gunship strikes from her flight deck while
HMS Liverpool , HMS Illustrious , joined by the nation's flagship, HMS Bulwark,
Participants in Cougar 12 are:
HMS Bulwark
HMS Illustrious
HMS Northumberland
HMS Montrose
RFA Mounts Bay
MV Hartland Point
Headquarters of 3 Commando Brigade
45 Commando (currently the UK's on-call Royal Marines unit ready to respond to world events)
30 Commando IX Group
539 Assault Squadron Royal Marines
814 Naval Air Squadron (Merlins)
815 Naval Air Squadron (Lynx)
829 Naval Air Squadron (Merlins)
845 Naval Air Squadron (Commando-carrying Sea Kings)
846 Naval Air Squadron (Commando-carrying Sea Kings)
854 Naval Air Squadron (Airborne Surveillance and Control Sea Kings)
656 Squadron Army Air Corps (Apache gunships)
659 Squadron Army Air Corps (Lynx)
NO NO NO NO NO , LEARN IT,
Great Britain Says NO NO NO …
MEANWHILE AT THE CLYDE
WARSHIPS are arriving on the Clyde as part of the largest tactically-focused military exercise in Europe
Royal Navy ships involved include Type 23 Frigates, HMS Kent and HMS St Albans, and mine hunters HMS Penzance,HMS Cattistock, HMSHurworth and HMS Bangor
We are fed up with you,
Are you ready.
FXUCKERS .
....
She's right!!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0149 Monty-as you will notice, my post at148# was directed to a specific poster.That poster claimed that the people who occupy the Malvinas were indigenous.I know they are not indigeous as if they were they would have the right to be on the islands.But they are actually the descendants of the colonizers and have the continued protection of the colonizer.Indigenous people are tied to the land they live on by their traditions,culture and history.Clearly that does not apply to the occupiers of the Malvinas.When people suggest that there is a platform for discussion if Argentina would garuantee certain conditions(not including the minimum wage)they seem to be suggesting that they get preferential treatment.That is exactly what the British want everywhere they go.The remnant of their colonial history,culture and they would like,their tradition.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#)180briton:Oh I feel so afraid!!!.ASSHOLE!! You know where you can introduce all that!!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0182 Yuleno
Sep 27th, 2012 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are entirely wrong, in so many ways I hardly know where to start.
Clearly a population that has been in place for nearly 200 years has had plenty of time to develop ties to the land through their traditions, culture and history. The idea that the Falklands population is indistiguishable from mainland British population is a myth.
Secondly, there is no platform for discussion with Argentina about sovereignty, whatever conditions were guaranteed. The answer is no. The only condition we need is guaranteed by the UN, who will not allow us to be dominated or subjugated by a foreign hostile power (you). We have no need of 'preferential treatment', and you will never be in a position to allow or deny it to us. We will govern ourselves, and better than your corrupt, shambolic and racist country ever could.
I asked you whether the Chagossians as a non- indigenous implanted population have the right to be on their islands. What is your answer? You can answer for the St Helenians, the Bermudans, the Jamaicans, the Pitcairn Islanders etc etc as well while you are at it.
Then you can tell me whether you as the 'remnant of colonial history' have the right to be in South America.
“APPARENTLY” ass lips tried to cancel tonight at Harvard but was convinced to attend (read in Clarin newspaper) seems she is annoyed both with the protest and with all the questions from yesterday
Sep 27th, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet to be seen....
182 Yuleno - My only question is how come the national language of Argentina is Spanish?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0184 because southamerica is not an overseas territory of other country, it is it of southamericans, the conquerors that stole land were sent away in 1800 and the land stole was recovered by its real owners
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@187 - Malen
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the conquerors that stole land were sent away in 1800 and the land stole was recovered by its real owners”
Bollocks. Absolute bollocks. And totally hypocritical.
If what you said were true, why isn't the language of Argentina, or any other South American country a native language instead of a European language? Why do you have European traditions? Why do you have European architecture?
Why is the native population of Argentina only numbered at approx 600,000 people, when the population of Argentina is 40,000,000? Why does your president and the majority (if not all) of the government have European names?
No Malen, the conquerers didn't leave in 1800. They stayed and contined to conquer and colonise land, by murdering the real owners of that land.
The descendants of those conquerers and colonisers are still stealing the land off the real owners. Shame on you.
Yuleno.
As regards to whether the Falkland Islanders are indigenous to the islands. Well since they were the 1st inhabitants, I guess that does make them indigenous now, doesn't it? I suppose it depends on what criteria is used.
188 LEPRecon (#)
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:56 pm
It is no coincidence that 193 towns in Argentina have the first name “Colonia” (Colony)!!!!!!!
“As regards to whether the Falkland Islanders are indigenous to the islands. Well since they were the 1st inhabitants, I guess that does make them indigenous now, doesn't it? I suppose it depends on what criteria is used.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So forget almost all my other arguments of Argentina owning Antarctica. Just remember this one: Since the first NATIVE indigenous inhabitant of the continent was a lowly argie, I'm sure the UK is ready to acknowledge Antarctica is argentine.
Anything else would be utter hypocrisy, and as I'm told here the UK never lies, never engages in hypocrisy, never breaks treaties, and are the only nation in Christiandom without the original sin, that's how pure in probity they are.
Right?
@ 180 Briton, Mr. drip drip drip
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0likes to show off about the UK military
ps:
He knows the Taliban is looking to hit the UK and USA embassies overseas with home made explosives...hehehe
I can't wait to see real action
Once more: no money, no class: ..... keep the islands in your ARSE.
Toby, Care to comment on the utterly failed of a speech yesterday at Georgetown by your overly medicated paranoid NPD bi-polar Prez?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She reminds me a lot of you...same debate style.
I don't comment about internal argentine affairs with evil foreigners like yourself, who are full of hatred, racism, narcisism, and depravity of act.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weird I thought you did that many times almost everyday.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@190 -Tobias
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anarctica doesn't have a permanent population. Only transient one. So no that wouldn't be the case. Do try to keep up.
The Falkland Islanders have lived continuously on the islands for 180 years. Longer than the country called 'Argentina' by the invading 'conquerers' has existed.
@195
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't recognize how buffonish you sound don't you. Argentina has existed for 200 years, do your math... 200 > 180 (I know education is a low priority in the UK these days).
Second, if permanent habitation by the Falklanders counts, so must it count for Argentines, which have lived in modern Argentina since 1580.
Third, Argentina has permanently had people in Antarctica since 1904, and the only permanent town is Argentine.
http://www.polarconservation.org/education/antarctic-bases/argentina-and-antarctica/stations-bases-camps-and-refuges/esperanza-base
It is the birthplace of Emilio Marcos Palma (born January 7, 1978), the first person to be born in Antarctica.
The Base has tourist facilities that are visited by approximately 1,100 tourists each year.
On February 18, 1976 opens the first Antarctic catholic chapel under protection of Saint Francis of Assisi. In 1978 the first families settle down. On May 14, 1978 open a nursery, kindergarten and Antarctic school in the base, depending on Institute Dr. Damaso Centeno. As from August 11, 1997 becomes dependent on Education Ministry of Tierra del Fuego province with the name of Provincial School nro 38 “Julio Argentino Roca”.
On October 20, 1979 opens the radio broadcasting station LRA 36 (Radio Nacional Arcangel San Gabriel).
In Oct. 2010, a census stated that there are 66 people at the Base, “which includes 9 families and 16 children”. The census operation involved an hour and a half, but had to be done under freezing conditions of minus 3 degrees.
Check mate. The indigenous and first humans in Antarctica are Argentine.
Bye bye UK Antarctic Fantasy Territory.
@185 Conqueror/Captain Poppy
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...so what?
Greek riots/Spain Debt ruin calm across Europe...60,000 people protesting in Athens came a day after anti-austerity protests ....
what is the remedy.... in these difficult economic times?...
here in the USA is the same situation...
people are becoming desperate for the lack of employment and the high cost of living...homeless all around the 50 states of the USA.
....starting 1/1/2013 the new US budget calls for more cuts in all departments: education, transportation, department of defense, health care services and other social services.....more poverty.....more unemployment....more hunger....
183 gustbury
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that you final answer,
Losers .lol.
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196 Truth_Telling_Troll
once again you speak with forky mouth,
but it seems perfectly ok, once again for argentina to steal land that is not hers,
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Antarctic Fantasy Territory,
you have no rights to it either,
bunch of hypercrits.
is this not sow,
@165 Malvinense 1833
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer is yes they would, if Stanley agreed first, the British can do nothing without the FIGs agreement.
The question is what do you have to offer the Islanders that would persuade them to agree.
To negotiate you must have two things, someone to negotiate with, and something with which to negotiate.
Be honest CFK & Co have neither.
@196 Truth_Telling_Troll
An implanted population, who when liberated by the British will no doubt elect to stay there under British rule, rather than be returned to Argentina along with the invading foreign military and administration.
No convicts this time, as yet.
AND ON THE LIGHTER SIDE OF THE NEWS:
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A grade school teacher explaining to her class that she is a peronist and how nice it is that a peronist president in office. She asks her students to raise their hands if they, too, are peronist and support Asslips kirchner. Everyone in class raises their hands except one little girl. “Mary,” says the teacher with surprise, “why didn't you raise your hand?” Because I'm not a peronist,“ says Mary. ”Well, what are you?“ asks the teacher. ”I'm an anti-peronist and proud of it,“ replies the little girl. The teacher cannot believe her ears. ”My goodness, Mary, why are you a peronist?“ she asks. ”Well, my momma and papa are anti-peronists, so I'm an anti-peronist too.“ ”Well,“ says the teacher in an annoyed tone, ”that's no reason for you to be an anti-peronist. You don't always have to be like your parents. What if your momma was a thief and your papa was a thief, too, what would you be then?“ Mary smiled. ”Then we'd be peronists.”
Q: What's the difference between a Christina Kirchner and a trampoline?
A: You take off your shoes before you jump on a trampoline.
Q: What's the difference between a Christina Kirchner and a prostitute?
A: The prostitute gives value for the money she takes.
Q: What's the difference between a dead skunk in the road and a dead Kirchner in the road?
A: Vultures will eat the skunk.
Q: What's the difference between a Christina Kirchner and a catfish?
A: One is an ugly, scum sucking bottom-feeder and the other is a fish.
Q: Why should the Kirchners be buried 100 feet deep?
A: Because deep down, they're really good people.
Q: What happens when you cross a pig with a Peronist?
A: Nothing. There are some things a pig won't do.
Q. How many Kirchners does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. Just one, but it really gets screwed.
Q: How many Peronists does it take to change a light bulb?
A:It's irrelevant; they still don't know they're in the dark!
It's irrelevant; they still don't know they're in the dark!
h
@200
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thx Poppy,
Love the Anti-Peronist joke!!
Read this and see what oil company for the USA will invest in RGland
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120927-709987.html
184# You said-
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idea that the Falklands population is indistiguishable from mainland British population is a myth.
But you have never attempted to be independant from the UK.Your legal system is underwritten by the UK.You have no separate tradition as this example highlights.What is your currency,the Malvinas pound?No it isn't even your currency.
You have been a colony for the vast majority of your 280 year occupation of the Malvinas,not a independant country that could past its own laws or have its own celebrations.
The only reason you are not still a colony in name is because the UN has a role in the dispute.You couldn't discuss your legal position if you wanted to.The UK reserves that ability for itself.
Why don't you declare your independance from the UK.Their economic interests would ensure that they would come to your defence if it was required.They don't trust you is why they won't.They only want the resources that lie in the Malvinas,Argentina.If you are there they can use you as a smokescreen.Nothing else.
Why are you Argies so jealous and envious of the Falklanders,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or do you yearn to be run by the British, instead of an eating outlet,
[CFK][KFC]
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'Cristina Kirchner continues to lie about the Falklands'
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100182857/cristina-kirchner-continues-to-lie-about-the-falklands/
Nice pic in that article Steve. I wonder is asslips uses oil or latex based paint on her face? I suppose whatever sticks to the concrete foundation she starts with, but it's obviously cracking.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently a few Argies have been taken to hospital with burns,
Relating to them trying to blow up a few cars,
The doctors say ,
The burns around their mouths,
Caused by sucking exhaust , pipes, may well be the cause…
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@203 - Yuleno
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you spout lies and distort the facts.
The UK speak for the islanders in matters of foreign policy, but only after consultation with the Falkland Islands Government.
Freedom. I know it's an alien concept to you. Democracy. Another concept that is fast disappearing from reality in Argentina to be replaced by the dictatorship of CFK.
Does she really have nothing else on her agenda with which to address the United Nations? Let's face it, the Falklands (not, of course, the Malvinas) do not affect Argentina in any way at all. The life of Argentina continues as it always has done - so why so much emphasis on the matter? Surely there are many problems which should concern the lady(?) after all!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the lies and fairy stories she tells to gain sympathy from the audience - there should be some rule in the United Nations about only telling truth! The good thing that comes out of this is that nobody seems to be paying her much attention anymore. Peter Wolf beware! - you will have a name change soon to Cristina de Kirchner!
Global issue?!?!?! It is the way the silly old demented cow tells them.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno @ 203- kindly inform us which special care unit is responsible for your welfare as I am frankly worried that you have a problem of perception and that the professionals responsible are falling down on their duties for your care.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You clearly have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the malvinistas but this time they have gone too far and I am concerned about your wellbeing. Get better soon!
203 Yuleno
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Epic fail, again.
Yes, we do pass our own laws.
Our two biggest celebrations are Liberation Day and Sports Week; nothing whatsoever to do with the UK.
We remain a British Overseas Territory because we want to. That's it. No-one is forcing us. We want to part of Britain, because it suits us, and because being British is a fine and admirable thing to be, whatever brainwashed nonsense they crammed into your poor little head at school. When the time is right, we may well declare independence. It will be for us to say, not you.
The last time the UK came to our defence, we had nothing; no oil, no fishing, no money, a declining population. They did it because it was right. You should think about that and think on.
Think yes,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they nowt what anything is anymore,
just what they are told,
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A great future destroyed by a deluded has been ..
@ conquistador - Dear conquistador, intelligent, wise, learned man. You who see beyond the darkness, refered to @25 I say: YES, YES, you´re right, my love Catherine, love her, has beautiful nipples, that showed her topless, worthy queen.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahahahah, deserve no respect, ridiculous patan, fogot cries to remove my post. Idiot, respect my Country
208# Eygpt was the last I heard from you.I wonder why.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0211# My health is excellent.I think it's the fresh clean warm air that's responsible.
212# Monty,I know that you pass your own laws,but only laws that the UK is happy with.You can't be free when you are not free.
To be free to pass your own laws,you have to be independant.You are not independant,you are,now,a British overseas territory.You are not a land,you are a territory.You are fooling yourself to think any different.
You are a colony occupying Argentine territory.Do you really think Liberation day and a Sports(I mean a sports) week constitute proof of a culture. Really Monty you don't think this is convincing.
And by the way Monty,it has been known,well before 82 that there are valuable resources in the Malvinas.However I'm happy for you in your Britishness but that isn't a separate tradition, culture or history is it.Its a part of British history culture and tradition of occupation and colonialism,isn't it
188 the conquerors didint leave in 1800??? jajajajajaja
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there was no revolution
there were not independence wars
there were not combate de cotagaita, batalla de suipacha, batalla de paraguarí, batalla de tacuarí, combate de san nicolás, batalla de tucumán, combate de las piedras, batalla de salta, batalla de vilcapugio y ayohuma (these 2 I always remember), batalla de chacabuco, etc, etc
we didint fight with realistas
The viceking (virrey) Liniers didnt scape with the money of ours
San Martín and Belgrano didnt exist and didnt liberate SAm
It was just a film.......
300 years of spaniards colonization made us speak spanish, but natives continue with their language too.
@215
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are a colony occupying Argentine territory”
Yuleno, please enlighten me, in what year was the Republic of Argentina established?
@216
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, you are truly an idiot. When colonists declare themselves independent of the implanting country, it does not make them equivalent to the indigenous population. And your forebears weren't called conquistadors because they were on some kind of aid project.
@196
You should read @139 again instead of just restating your original argument. As it is, a reasonable person might conclude that you're just playing your usual trick of sneaking some population or other, be it whalers, sealers, scientists, scrap metal dealers or whatever it is you can think of, onto somebody else's territory, and then claiming that this jiggery-pokery makes the territory yours. Only this time, when the treaty expires, it's not just the UK you're going to have to contend with. That's going to be fun.
215 Yuleno
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're an idiot. I don't like to call people names as a rule, but I don't have to justify anything to a 15 year old halfwit. You must be 15; that's the only excuse for spouting off about things you know nothing about. You don't know anything about Falkland Islands law and you aren't qualified to decide what constitutes a culture.
The truth is, I don't care what you think. It's never going to make any difference to anything.
@204 briton Jack the Ripper
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Millons of argentine citizens like myself don't have any interest in such Islas Malditas and the Falkloosers....No money...No class Keep the islands in your BIG Rubbish Bloody English Arse! jeejjeeeeeeeeeejee
@215
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another point Yuleno, if the Falkland Islanders do not have their own culture can you explain to me why their gear for riding horses is named in Spanish?
And the cattle grids in the Falklands have a Spanish, not English name, (Islanders, is it a Passilibra?)
The Falkland Islandsin the mid 1800s had their biggest population increase when 150 gauchos came over to work from South America, at the time this was a bigger influx of population numericall ythan people arriving from Scotland, the Scottish Hebrides and Wales.
Transplanted population=Argentine myth, unless you now think that Danish, Swedish, German French and Argentinians are English.
The myth that the Falkland Islandspopulation has been made up mostly of English people is a myth perpetrated by Argentines who can't be arsed to go to Stabnley and look up the census records which shows the Islands stock derives from many nationalities
My uncle (in England)has riden a horse for years, since the 1940s when he was young and he has never termed his saddles reins etc in Spanish.
I have never hear dthe word 'guddle' used recently in the UK
I have not heard my mates in England call their tea breaks Smoko
yes criollos, mixed people, indegenous are all equivalent and on the other side were the spaniards. all colonies got independence in SA the same way. do you have a problem with all SAm continent???
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0222 malen
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a problem facing up to the realities of your own history. The 'Spaniards' didn't go anywhere. All you did was decide you didn't want to be ruled from Spain any more.
We might well get our independence one day. The only difference is that we won't have to fight for it.
Cristina Kirchner is visiting both Georgetown University and Harvard University to give presentations.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Camoron visited some Yank talk show to embarrassed himself once more.
“'I need to do extra homework on British history', says David Cameron after Letterman stumble”
Yes, you and your fellow Brits need to do some extra homework on British history Mr Camoron.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9570973/I-need-to-do-extra-homework-on-British-history-says-David-Cameron-after-Letterman-stumble.html
Invitations for University debates, two a peso for any politician. Letterman on the other hand, you can bet your boots she would have been on their in a flash.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well seems KaMoron is not good for history, he is not good for languages and translation, he is not even good for economy (everyone can realises that) and he is not good for jokes because he looks like a poor idiot.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can someone tell me what for may be he is good?
226 DanyBerger
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is very, vey good at telling Argentina that there will be no talks about the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless Islanders wish it.
93 days to the end of 2012, not a very good year,
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0wrong 222 very wrong........we couldnt be indepenedent with spaniards here, they didint want to give power, so we fought and KILLED them in the battles that I named before and even that Liniers was FUSILATED with all his chiefs in Córdoba. Yes we had to kill them,many many realistas killed, they didnt want to go.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry its our history and we know it better, no need you to teach us how it was or you to tell us that we make distortions in things like our wars of independence our liberation our cabildo abierto our revolution. There were two sides fighting, it is very clear who was in each side and what it happenend.
@229
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders won't have to fight the UK if they wish independence, the British will allow them to achieve this status as they did with most of the countries they colonised.
If they want to stay with the UK, the UK will allow this too.
If the islanders wanted to be Argentine, this woulsd also be allowed.
Its nice to be associated with a country that respects democracy, and waht its people want, however small it is.
If they really want to talk why are they not talking to the Islanders? They offered to talk and ignored the request. Asslips does not understanmd what self determination means. Otherwise asslips is shoveling more shit.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0229 malen (#)
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:08 am
“There were two sides fighting, it is very clear who was in each side and what it happenend.”
No malen, it wasn't at all clear who was on each side in our war of liberation, brother was fighting brother and fathers were fighting their sons. That is the horror of a civil war. Don't crow about killing people, it is not a nice thing to do!!!!
@ malen
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And when you sent the Peninsulari back to Spain, did they take your genetic code with them. Or did you simply change your name from Spanish to Argentinian (or UP), Conquistador to Criollo.
You are the descendant of those who conquered and cleared the land of its native population, and implanted your people.
And the native people you and your forbearers dispossessed, what do you say to them, when they say to you:
return the stolen land, people from another continent!!!
Unlike Atahualpa the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.
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Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ malen
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the dead joke,
she was not as big, as the mersy tunnel,
but definatly had more traffic..lol.
Ah, the Brits are funny!
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0saimon civil war?? in one side those who fought against those that subjugated them
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0on the other side those from other country that wanted to subjugate others
where were you born?? if you dont mind to answer
and 233 we are not implanted and have already answer that many times, we were a new people that had been subjugated by spaniards and fought to liberate from them. its not a change of names, like you do, it was more deep more couraged more important the transformation in all the continent.
The RGs just make it up as they go along!
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0malen, you are implanted.
if not implanted, you are descended from a mixture of the native peoples & implanted European colonists.
Other than that, you must be pure Amerindian.
and if this is so, then why do you side with the descendants of murderers.
People who murdered the natives, then stole their land?
Get used to it malen, lying & refusal to accept facts will not change anything.
You are IMPLANTED.
(and you still, will NEVER get the Falklands)
@Isolde and the other Falklanders and Brits.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK is just looking increasingly sad and desperate, isn't she.
She has made Argentina an international pariah in terms of finance, and has pursued populist policies to keep herself rich, and in power, at the expense of the average Argentinian.
She has ensured that Argentina has very few friends of any real weight in the international arena and made Argentina look like a obsessive compulsive liar suffering from turrets and kleptomania. No-one in South America is going to seriously back up any action over the falklands.
Meanwhile, at home she has crashed the economy. Doubtlessly her defenders will reply, stating that “socialism is best” or “how wonderful she is”. Meanwhile many Argentinians have become disillusioned with her and are increasingly taking to the streets to protest.
This could lead to her making a desperate gamble in the mold of Galtieri, by staging some sort of incident, but if that is the case she will almost certainly fail to garner any fresh support, other than that already given by such worthies as Hugo (fat boy) Chavez and the leaders of Iran..... I don't see them sending combat assets to help her out either.
Meanwhile we in UK and the Falklanders can tell her to MYOBB (mind your own bloody business) and while keeping calm and carrying on.
It's enough to make me LOL.
Dear Harvard Students, this link will take you to a video. It's important that you watch it because it will show you the type of forum Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is used to speaking in. A “political” rally which her government organized, where she just talks about herself, all she's done for the people and gets thousands of people to clap, cheer and wave banners in her support. She's not able to hold any other type of forum. And the people attending? Who are they? Poor people who live in shantytowns (villas) as we call them, who are paid between 20-50 pesos to attend, they get served a sausage sandwich (called Choripan) and given cheap wine (that comes in cardboard packs called Tetra). Then they show this on television for days and days with all the people cheering for her to make it looks like she has all of this political support! This are true 3rd world south american poltics.......a political forum at Harvard is way TOO much for Cristina!.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcmymeZf8jM
Sep 29th, 2012 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#200 CAPITAN POPY
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahah, the queen is bich aged, hahahah, is dead, capitan popy = toy soldier hhahahahahh. RIDICULO
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fa301a08-0970-11e2-a5e3-00144feabdc0.html#axzz27zSSMiuY
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina days are numbered. But it does not matter, you can flush and clean a tiolet, but in the end.....it is still a toilet.
@242 Conqueror/Captain Poppy= same rubbish bloody UK man
Sep 30th, 2012 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina and the USA..... my 2 countries are having difficult economic times...like Greece, Spain, France, Italy, London..... you name it!....
We all know that will take years for the economy to improve...that's all...
Referenced to the islands please be advised that millons of argentinians like myself don't have any interest ....I repeat, past, present and future argentinian presidents have a duty to claim the islands, but the fact is no money, no class, keep the islands in your ARSE!
@243 Soozy,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0You could keep the lslands in your mouth,
lts big enough.
Halooooo Soozy, Who are you today?
The USA is not and never will be your country. The Falklands will never fly argentine colors, it belong to the people of the Falklands.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you claim to live in the USA....you have abandoned your country then. You should be earning and spending money in your country to help it's economy.
78 days and counting !!!
I thank you sussie, I missed you
“I have long known that it is part of God's plan for me to spend a little time with each of the most stupid people on earth. ”
Bill Bryson
@245 Conqueror/Captain Poppy= rubbish bloody english man!
Oct 01st, 2012 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am the only one in this web site residing in the USA that LEGALLY have 2 citizenships US and Argentina.
Send me a postcard:
S.Brown
P.O.Box 7141
Tempe, Arizona 85281
If I don't receive a post card from your “State” that means your the biggest WIMP on earth...
counting.....
PO BOX no way, you have a forwading serivce. SOP idiot
Oct 01st, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@237
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“new people that had been subjugated by spaniards and fought to liberate from them”
Whereas the Falklanders are new people formed from the nationalities of different countries (including Argentinians) but enjoy the support of their former colonisers.
The Falkland Islanders therefore do not have to rebel against the UK, because the UK will allow the Falkland Islanders to be Independent, British or Argentine.
But don't expect the Falkland Islanders to choose Argentine nationality as they have inherited the bad parts of the Spanish colonisers that the Argentines rejected, and wish to become colonisers themselves.
@247 Conqueror/Captain Poppy=Same rubbish bloody english WIMP
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yoouuuuuuuuuu see? BIG RUBBISH BLOODY ENGLISH WIMP!
YOU ARE NOT RESIDING IN THE USA!
I repeat,
I am the only one posting in this web site residing in the USA.
@249 s**t--for--brains,
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't live in the USA.
The Americans would never allow a misfit like you into their country.
l'd say that, well, NO country would have you, Soozy-Woozy.
Prove it 2012....give me your email address or your phone number?
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heard something interesting this AM on a Spanish language radio station from Los Angeles. Argentine DM Puricelli will be traveling to Germany early next year to discuss modernixation of the MEKO ships. Let's see, that's 10 of them. How many “Dauntlesses's” will you have?
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK's new face lift......freaking amazing!!!
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0s1064.beta.photobucket.com/user/CaptainPoppy1/media/CFK_zps99e88b2d.jpg.html#/user/CaptainPoppy1/media/CFK_zps99e88b2d.jpg.html?&_suid=1349206744467024654043383597574
We've downsized our Navy to the max.......only 286 war ships now.
@250 Isolde ...haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak ....such ugly name.....
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she is the one she touch her toes for the UK rubbish bloody men to screw her ARSE.....and then...she claims be a “Mrs”....and have “children”.....
you are the biggest whore on earth!
@252 ProRG_American
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The meeting is with Airfix.
@254 Sussie
You must stop drinking that firniture polish, you lose what little control you had.
Soozy-woozy,
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time for your injections,
l forgive you,
Shouldn't laugh at the afflicted.
Now don't struggle with the nice men in white coats, dear.
@ 156 La Isolada Pavota.....
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you talking about?....Everything about me is perfect...
I am single, in good health,,
and good looking,
and have time to travel as much as I want....
good food, casinos,
shopping and fun....
while you are residing in the MALDITAS islands
wasting your life.....
@252 - ProRG (pretend) Septic
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are boasting about an upgrade to old vessels, whereas the UK currently has the most ADVANCED type of destroyer in the world! LOL
However, the Germans don't work for free, especially in this economic climate. They certainly won't accept an IOU from Argentina, as they (you) are notorious for not paying their (your) debts. Just how is Argentina going to pay for all this hardware?
Argentina only have 2 types of MEKO vessel:
Almirante Brown class destroyers (4) - more than 40 years old, with armaments to match. Speed 30.5 knots. Even with an upgrade all 4 of them are no match for a type 45 class destroyer.
Espora class corvette (mini frigates) (6) - 4 are 10-20 years old, and 2 delivered between 1999 & 2004, with armaments to match. Speed 27 knots. Even with upgrade they are no match for one type 45 destroyer.
Now Type 45 - Daring class destroyer (3 in service, 3 under construction) - brand new (less than 10 years old). Stealth technology. All the latest weaponry systems including; air defence, land attack, ship to ship attack, submarine detection and attack capability. Top speed 31.5 knots which can be achieved in 120 seconds (that's fast).
Then let's see. We currently have 2 Astute class submarines in service with 5 more under construction.
We also have 2 aircraft carriers under construction, with new aircraft currently being built.
Hmm, I don't think the UK or the Falkland Islanders will lose sleep over this, especially as I doubt Argentina has the money to pay for all these ships to be upgraded.
This is just another meaningless announcement for the 'folks' back home, just like when the keep announcing that __________(insert country) is going to invest in YPF, only to find that actually they're not. LOL
However, no matter what Argentina does, the Falkland Islanders will remain free to choose their own future, Britain will ensure that they will.
@257 sussie
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If life is so “perfect” then why all the anger and hate?
Get some help!
@259 Pugol-H = same la Isolda pavota responding again under other names....
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......................such dirty trick is typical of the rubbish bloody english people!
YOU, Isolda needs “some” help....
YOU don't have any rights to insult the argentine leader, my country Argentina and the argentinians ....
FUERA DE MI PAIS INGLESES O D I O S O S!
The Falklands are not your country though, are they.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British territory and always have been, end of.
@252
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentine DM Puricelli will be traveling to Germany early next year to discuss modernixation of the MEKO ship”
The same guy extolling the defence virtues of a jet trainer named after a babies nappies/diapers that could have been dealt with by British jet fighters of the 1950s-yeah yeah these MEKO ships will be great-10, 20 whatever, they will not be used against the RN as they will end up as target practice.
More false pride by Argentina.
@260 Soozy-woozy,
Oct 04th, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're a laugh a minute, Soozy.
So now l'm Pugol-H in your crazy world?
What happened to Zhivago?
(pssssst, Soozy, don't tell anyone, but l'm actually Think, Marcos Alejandro, Yuleno, so_far, JUBA & Malvinero1) l know that you can keep a secret.
Lets not tell the men, lets keep it to ourselves, ja? je je je je!).
@263 Isolde “vagina neck” “Mrs”
Oct 04th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and the UK team are in a crazy world....you use the same words in The Economist under KretinaK...
hey I know you since I started to place my comments in the Economist under Argetntina cooking books...
You damn stupid woman!
.....
Soozy-woozy,
Oct 04th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l'm not actually a woman. l'm a computer/answering machine.
A lot of my quality components are manufactured in Argentina.
Very sophisticated & can think for myself & insult malvinistas at will.
Expertly designed so that nothing could possibly go wrong..................
...........go wrong................
............go wrong..........
.............go wrong.................
...............go wrong..............
............go wr.........clunk..........clunk...........splat
@265 Isolde “vagina neck” “Mrs” “keep touching your toes” for the Brits.
Oct 04th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! My.....I can't believe it....your defense tactics.....
HIDING BEHIND A COMPUTER.......MIEDOSA Y ASQUEROSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
KEEP SCREWING THE BRITS...THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE LEARN...TURTLE HEAD!
@2012,
Oct 05th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Went straight over your stupid head, didn't it?
You really are a shΦt-for-brains, aren't you, you ridiculous article.
267@
Oct 05th, 2012 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0you continue with the same aggression, baby, stop taking pills, I think you will need a professional people for your help, nena
268 Port Stanley (#)
Oct 05th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 05th, 2012 - 10:02 am
Your comment to 267 lsolde (#) is absolutely incoherent, when you look at the comment she was answering:
“@265 Isolde “vagina neck” “Mrs” “keep touching your toes” for the Brits.
Oh! My.....I can't believe it....your defense tactics.....
HIDING BEHIND A COMPUTER.......MIEDOSA Y ASQUEROSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
KEEP SCREWING THE BRITS...THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE LEARN...TURTLE HEAD!”
I think the ones that need serious professional help are you and 2012 who obviously have some serious issues!!!!!
@269 ssssssssssshitSimon68=Zhivago=ChrisR=chinese residing in Tierra del Fuego.....
Oct 05th, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK Team started using offensive words against the argentine leader, Argentina and argentinians.....
I do the same ....keep insulting the rubbish bloody english people..... and the UK “royals”..... bloody rubbish UK “royals” with dirty assholes!
@269 Simon68,
Oct 05th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your support. l think now that 2012/Sussie is not in full command of her/his senses.
Someone is winding her/him up just to see whay damage they can do.
l know l said before that l wouldn't answer her/his posts anymore & l have been doing so, but now l will just ignore her/him.
She/he makes absolutely no sense at all.
Oh Goodbye, Soozy, bye now
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