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UK to Cristina: “no Falklands’ sovereignty negotiations unless and until the Islanders so wish”
“There can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish” was the official reply from the UK to remarks made by Argentine president Cristina Fernandez during her speech on Tuesday before the UN General Assembly. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFirst news story of the day. Did the Mercopress editors go out on the razzle last night?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 agreed. I was looking forward to Mercopress revieling CFKs comments from her speach at Georgetown yesterday. Either way good reply from the UK government showing that basicaly nothing has changed or will change. After all the UK is a soverign nation and makes soverign descisons, we wont react to pressure or threats. Sound familar?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would suggest that the CFK abonded the current diversive policy towards the islands and look at a policy of inclusion because as far as the people of the UK and many other devloped nations of the world are concerned there will never be any discussions on sovernighity untill the population ask for it. A good start would be to accept the invitation to talks extened to the Argentine government at the C24 by the FILA.
Does anyone else see an inherent contradiction in these two statements?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The UK has no doubt about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
2. The UK's relationship with all its overseas territories is a modern one based on partnership.... and the right of the people of each Territory to determine its own future.
The referendum parody is unnecessary.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The international community have the islander´s wishes already clear.
The international community just does not find ir relevant to solve the sovereignty dispute. And this clown around referendum is not gonna change that. You´re only wasting time and money.
“No civilian population was expelled prior to their ancestors settling on the Islands. / Falklands Islands has been peacefully settled” - British lies.
“The UK has no doubt about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.”
Yes, sure. That´s why the UK negotiated sovereignty with the argentine dictatorship a bew years before the war. And that´s also the reason why the only card they play is the “self-determination”.
“Argentina refused to accept an invitation from them inviting the Argentine Government to meet and listen to the views of the Falkland Islands people.” - The matters related to the colony should be dealt with the Metropolis, London, not with the colony.
3 Doveoverdover (#)
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:27 pm
No there is no contradiction, British sovereignty has nothing to do with the self determination of the people.
If the people of a British sovereign territory self determine to be independent of Britain the British Government will respect that wish, as in the case of Scotland in 2014.
Do they just change the date on the top of the memo and resend it once a week?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dimwitted Rgs will never learn.
3 Doveoverdover
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You apparently do?
Please elucidate.
oh Islas Malvinas lol ..
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No civilian population was expelled prior to their ancestors settling on the Islands. / Falklands Islands has been peacefully settled” - British lies.
No no ask the IMF who lies about things .. just because you got brainwashed by your tinpot governments about the truth does not make Britain liars .. stop bring the international community into it as if you have any support other than the very few countries in SA who cfk has moaned at to agree with her . even then there is no conviction behind the statements and will wash away once the referenda results come in as the international community will back the lawful results .. in the mean time the good old people of the falklands will continue to live in peace, drill their oil and forget about the impotent angry little neighbours LOL
@3 yes and no. If we take the two in context I would guess what they are saying is we are in no doubt over of sovereignity but are willing and able to denounce this position if the population decide they wish to take a different course of action. I would suggest the relationship is being updated regualy based on consulation between the FCO and the FILA.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”You´re only wasting time and money.“”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even were that true, we have both the time and the money (and the Islands) to be able to do so.
You dont.
:-0
4 Islas Malvinas - the UK “negotiated with the dictatorship” because they were following the UN resolution to do so. The islanders rejected all the ideas so they were dropped. Then you invaded. Funnily enough once a war has been fought the dynamics and politics change forever and now you must live with the consequences of that.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 And you must live with the consequence of being part of a continent that does not recognize you and anything else but an integral part of the argentine territory.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What consequences are those then? The list of Argentine sanctions and disruptive efforts are feeble.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 yes i don't think any of us will be losing sleep about being an 'integral part of argentine territory' though when argentines see the difference in living standards the islands enjoy under proper government i think you lot might lol
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 The way a civilised, war abiding and logical world works is on the basis of the provison of evidence to substantiate a claim. I.e. if you claim that the UK government is lying in saying no civillian poulation was expelled, you must provide reserchable, accesible evidence which shows this to be a lie. Calling it a lie without evidence is an opinion and not fact.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand it is posisble for me to give you a number of refrences (freely avalible) that show that after the actions of HMS Clio in 1833, only 4 civilians left the islands and that over 50% of the population after 1833 were of Argentine descent. I will not give the refrences here however, if you read section 18 (pages 17-18) of the attached document you will see the arguments showing that they were not forceably removed and quoting the sources which show this. http://britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf
or if you prefer the Spnaish version (I cannot gurantee the page refrences will be the same)http://britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf
You may also want to read the entire paper which presents evidence to show the Reupublic of Argentina made statements which could be interpretted as having ceeded sovernightiy (Convention of Settlement, 1849).
In addition self dtermination is not a last gasp attempt to cling to something as you suggets it is a guding principle of the UN and forms article 1.2 of the Charter of the UN, it is therefore impossible that any UN document can be legal if it ignores the right of self determination. It is not an abstract invented terms it is a legaly determined principle, (http://britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf and http://britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf
It does not matter how many countries Aregtnina has “on its side” international law is based on the common law principle “that might does not make right”.
@12
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Threats against a peaceful people now
international law is based on the common law principle “that might does not make right” - PLUS we are much more powerful than you so could kick your sorry ass back to Argentina any time.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A double whammy!!
very impressive post 15! .. Game set and match? come on Malvinas .. what have you got???
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“And you must live with the consequence of being part of a continent that does not recognize you and anything else but an integral part of the argentine territory.”“”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pretty easy to live with: you just have to put up with listening to repetitious & innefectual rubbish and unsubstantiated “history”
WOOPS! Meant to say law abiding not war abiding. Freudian slip? No, I had many ideas and was writting on the cusp, so to speak. Just wnated to clarify that I do not in any wat endorse the use of violence or war to achieve means which can be solved througth legal avenues.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Appologise to all for the confusion
CFKC has completely and utterly failed to make any progress whatsoever on her quest to colonise the Falklands.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She knows it and it is probably why is has been reduced to a footnote in her speeches.
Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
@12 The Falkland Islands are hundreds of miles across the ocean from Argentina, and as far from Buenos Aires as Reykjavik is from London. Does that mean, by malvinista logic, that we can have Iceland? As I once visited Argentina, and sat down for a while, my arse is more an “integral part of the argentine territory” than are the Falkland Islands.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Doveoverdover (#)
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sep 27th, 2012 - 02:27 pm
Only a combative fink would see any contradiction.
The UK has no doubts about the sovereignty of the islands however they respect and support the rights and wishes of the people who live there whatever those people decide.
Any contradiction is in your head and possibly in the head of the Malvinistas and only for the sheer feck of it.
sovereignty is really kind of irrelvant anyway: the islands, to all intents and purposes, belong to the Falklands Islanders, so unless Argentina starts talking to them, and can find a way to persuade them to become part of South America, then nothing is going to change.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0end of.
@5 I asked if anyone else could see that inherent contradiction but thank you for you response anyway.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 On the face of it Britain is saying it has the final say on the one hand ( it has Sovereignty) but the islanders also have the final say about who has Sovereignty (in the form of a Right to self determination ) on the other. This is contradictory.
British Sovereignty at the State and inter State level is apparently self evident, even if some other States argue that it is held illegally and immorally. What it actually has is Administrative Power. and responsibility for international relations. As an aside, on this basis it seems perverse to suggest that Argentina should negotiate with the Falkland Island Legislative body as if it were an equal.
H owever, if the enfranchised residents of the Falkland Islands have the right to determine their future they are Sovereign since a Right isn't a wish to be respected or not. It is a Right. Britain now has Administrative Power not Sovereignty and this it has because it has been granted it by the post colonial Sovereign Power, the FI electorate.
I really do look forward to seeing the question being asked in Scotland and the one for FI, together with the statutory implications of the possible answers clearly articulated before each Referendum.
@23 I value your opinion too. Is it a Right or a wish? That's rhetorical by the way.
@24 Sovereignty is a word that means ownership in this context.
The Scotland issue will be simple YES or NO
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Scottish referendum is going to be a hoot. Now that Europe has confirmed that an independent Scotland would have to apply to join the EU and be compelled to adopt the Euro if it did the whole idea is a non starter. Alex Salmond will need to be as flexible with the truth as CFK to avoid total humiliation.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sovereignty is a word that means ownership in this context.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the Falkland Islands people own the land.
That has been made emminently clear by the UK government: The Falklands PEOPLE can do WHAT THEY LIKE with THEIR land and the UK will support THEIR choices.
As I keep pointing out ALL Argentina has to do is convince 2000 odd people that they will be better off reporting to BA than London.
Its THAT simple.
I mean, how hard can that be?
“The UK continues to believe that there are many opportunities for co-operation in the South Atlantic. However, in recent years Argentina has rejected these opportunities.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it is the Falklanders that are the ones that hold the cards, why would Argentina need to cooperate with the UK on anything?
The only conclusion one can draw, given the UK's insistence that the Falkland Is. belong and are run by the Faklanders, that there has to be some other territorial ambition of the UK near Argentina, since otherwise the UK has nothing to do there.
Of course, that ambition is Argentine waters itself, perhaps even a beach head near Mar del Plata, which is why in every memo they insist Argentina should “cooperate” with them (code for “sign treaties we can then use to take away territory from you”). Just like throughout most of UK history.
No treaties ever with the UK. No cooperation. Argentina leaves the Falklands alone, and then never see these people again.
What this statement says (again) is stop wasting your time, our time, and that of the international community. Your constant whinging, rhetoric, and threats are falling on deaf ears so make your move and get your arses kicked again or FUCK OFF!!!!!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 - Tobias
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How's the paranoia today? Is everyone still out to get you? Are you always looking over your shoulder?
The British couldn't give a fig about Argentina. All we want is for Argentina to keep your thieving hands off our property, namely the Falklands, South Georgia, the South Sandwich Islands, and of course the Britsh Anarctic territory.
Just so you know how important Argentina is to the UK, we generally don't give you a 1st thought, let alone a second thought.
@31
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Antarctic Territory, you mean the future argentine province of Antarctica, based on all the evidence of human habitation, which favors Argentina in every single solitary category, except for one irrelevant first sighting and landing by either Brits or Norwegians.
But of course everyone knows that is irrelevant, otherwise all of the Americas would be Italian.
We live you alone in the Falklands, and the other islands. Antarctica, you belong there as much as the truth belongs to your mind.
TIT I thought for a minute you were being sensible then you let yourself down by talking shite, however your second paragraph is true so talk to the fucking islanders. We reiterate our defence of a British overseas territory that are self governing and will make thier own choices, get it yet, it would be the same if the USA wanted Bermuda same response let the ISLANDERS decide
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 You mean antatrica which Argetnina and the UK agreed as part of the Antatric treaty belongs to all and that no sovernigity claims are permitted over the area nor the right to natural resources. The antartic is used soley for scientific reserch only. There is no permanent population/community of antartic and no country owns land in the continent.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any tit chile is nearer so it's thiers :/
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am completely sensible, it is you Brits who are the irrational, hypocrical thieves:
My position: Falklands are yours, do to first permanent and CONTINUOUS habitation, first indigenous people (not proven it was the Brits but let's assume so), and current demographics and self-determination of the locals.
Antarctica is ours (de facto it is ours already), based on first permament (Argentina) and CONTINUOUS habitation (also Argentina), first indigenous people (PROVEN to be argentines), and current demographics (Argentines are the largest population), and self-determination (if holding a vote, we know were they would vote, since all of those argentines are patriots, or military families).
It is you Brits who hold this standard when it suits you, and deny it when it does not.
Those are the facts, and nothing can change them, both for the Falklands and for Antarctica.
Argentina does not claim Antarctica. Only a little boy in Mendoza thinks it is his. Let him live with his dream because it is all he has.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British government will defend the Falkland Islanders from aggressive neighbours but that is the sum total of the interest there. Nothing CFKC says or does will change that. The woman is stupid and pointless. What an embarrassment to her country she is.
@29
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The idea that the British or her NATO allies want a beachhead on Mar del Plata is absolutely silly and on par with reptilians living at the core of the earth. While keeping navigation open between SA and the Falklands has obvious strategic interests to the UK and her western allies (and would in turn certainly benefit SA nations), the status quo is more than sufficient for this even as China develops her blue ocean navy. No beachhead on MdP, or to be more realistic even I. de los Estados, is necessary and would be no more cost effective both strategically and in terms of the world stage as it was when the Junta tried to do the same with the Falklands.
That JiffyPop beanie doesn't look good on you, TTT.
So if we give you Antarctica will you leave the Falklands and other islands alone, I'll shake on that........... No wait a minute fuck off I'll fight you for them :)
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34, 37
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claims Antarctica fully under Tierra del Fuego, and de facto we already own it, based on all the information I have provided in this thread.
There is no way you Brits can get around the reality on the ground this time. Everything is documented, admitted by entities like the USA government, the Russians, the UN, and Antarctic organizations. All the evidence of continuous occupation by Argentina, largest indigenous population, first permanent town, and first native Antartctican, which are overwhelming reasons by we will eventually have not just de facto but full control of a portion of Antarctica, and the UK will be left with what they deserve, nothing.
Because this is not like the Falkland's case, where there was no 3rd parties, no television, no fact-checking, just two versions of history (yet still the British take this “he said/she said” as enough evidence, and I have never disputed that history you all must admit).
So what hope you do think you have in gaining the upper hand against Argentina over Antarctica when you have absolutely no argument, otherwise we would have seen it here or in the other thread?
That is why I have 100% confidence that Antarctica will be our 25th province, even though on the ground it is de facto ours anyway, the Antarctic peninsula anyway.
And that is the real world, not the fantasy world of the jingoist Brits here, and their buddies at the Foreign office, where the 19th century still has yet to come to a close. haha
@36
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine signed awya their rights to claim sovernighyt over Antartica in 1961 when they signed the Antartic treaty as did the other 11 countries who signed. Any claims to Antartica would be an issue for the 46 countries (80% of the worlds population) that have signed the treaty. Its agreed objectives are:
to demilitarize Antarctica, to establish it as a zone free of nuclear tests and the disposal of radioactive waste, and to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes only;
to promote international scientific cooperation in Antarctica;
to set aside disputes over territorial sovereignty.
Therefore Argetnina has no claim of the Antartic niether does the UK, neither does the US et etc etc. The UK does not maintain a permanent population or comunity in the Antartic only a number of reserch stations.
Toby, Care to talk about teh USA's claim in Antartica? Or doesn't that fit within your 1/2 truths and outright lies?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think the USA would ever let Argentina have Antartica? Sure keep dreaming.
Well said the engineer stick that in your pipe TIT and.......well whatever
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong, the claims and the justification for the claims were place on a hard legal freeze. Don't take my word for it, read your own cousins with dreams of empire:
“...International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty. This neither denies nor recognises the territorial claims by Australia, Argentina, Chile, France, New Zealand, Norway and United Kingdom. No claims have been made between 90 and 150 degrees west...”
“International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty.”
“International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty.”
“International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty.”
“International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty.”
“International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty.”
No where to be found are the words “waved rights”.
Once the treaty is allowed to expire... bye bye UK. Your justifications for a portion are not 1% of Argentina's, because ours are based on actual human beings on the ground living there, since 1904 without interruption, with the first town, with the first indigenous Antarctican, with the largest population, both non-military and overall.
What's the British counter to those? lol
I love winding up Tobias. It's so easy.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Light the blue touch paper and stand back...
Fight you for it
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article IV (2) of the Antartic Treaty:
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 02.No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica or create any rights of sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force.
Therefore the current treaty must be nullified by the 46 countries before Argetnina can make any claim on the Antartic. This applies to everything below the line of 60 degress lattitude.
I am afraid once signed and ratified a treaty takes the same basis as a contract and therefore can only be chnaged by mutual consent. A country or current government can not pull out of a treaty just because they do not like what their ansestors did. The person who should really be angry at is the government of Arturo Frondizi who signed the treaty.
Territory is only yours if you can defend it.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Argentina ever get their only ice breaker back that caught on fire?
http://australianempire.webs.com/australianantarctic.htm
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“International recognition of Antarctic claims has been put on hold by the 1959 Antarctic Treaty.”
Yankeeboy, the USA is irrelevant. By the time the treaty expires, you will be in no position to take any action against us without other powers siding with us as a proxy to dethrone you.
Your only option would be to move in now, but then you would find the entire planet would abominate you, and any benefits of seizing illegaly Antarctica would be outweighed by the fact that you would be a pariah state officially (you are defacto now).
So no, you can't do squat either way. And you don't even have a claim, and even if you made one what legal grounds would it be floating on?
I love winding you all up, with the facts.
Nothing better than seeing how impotent you all are to the reality on the ground of Antarctica. It is almost inevitable that if claims are allowed to stand, we will get a big chunk of the peninsula, by far the most lucrative region of the continent. Tough luck for the rest of you (Chile may get the other part, with Australia and New Zealand getting most of the continental region).
The UK remains fully committed to defending the rights of the people of the Falkland Islands to determine their own political, social and economic future. A referendum to be held by the Falkland
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHHAHAHHAAHHA
Time to NAtionalize brits assets in ARGENTINA....
Just a thought was the 61 treaty not after the 59 treaty TIT
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 “Once the treaty is allowed to expire... ”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really think the can of Antarctic national claims _won't_ be kicked down the road yet again? The global community has an interest in keeping the continent open both scientifically and yes, strategically, in light of the uncertainties of the Antarctic ice sheet stability w.r.t. the certainty of pending climate change, doubly so.
Toby, As long as you are alive the USA will have the strongest, most capable military on the Planet.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are such a silly creature just like your Prez. What an embarrasing display that was yesterday! Do they teach that kind of public speaking in your country? Is that where you get it? The CFK debate style! Hahahaha
The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Malvinas Islands. They can not be British in Argentine territory.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility remains of the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that Resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”
In the Malvinas Question General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine of the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41 / 40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self. Reaffirm resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the UK), to proceed without delay with the negotiations by the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations to find a peaceful solution to the problem, with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands. ”
Since 2004 and under a process of revitalization of the General Assembly, Argentina got the Malvinas Islands Question permanently on the agenda and in the paper by the Bureau of the General Assembly.
@44
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Once the treaty is allowed to expire... bye bye UK”
The treaty has no expiration date! It can only be changed by mutual consent.
Article XII (2):
2.
a.If after the expiration of thirty years from the date of entry into force of the present Treaty, any of the Contracting Parties whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings provided for under Article IX so requests by a communication addressed to the depositary Government, a Conference of all the Contracting Parties shall be held as soon as practicable to review the operation of the Treaty.
b.Any modification or amendment to the present Treaty which is approved at such a Conference by a majority of the Contracting Parties there represented, including a majority of those whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings provided for under Article IX, shall be communicated by the depositary Government to all Contracting Parties immediately after the termination of the Conference and shall enter into force in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 1 of the present Article.
c.If any such modification or amendment has not entered into force in accordance with the provisions of subparagraph 1(a) of this Article within a period of two years after the date of its communication to all the Contracting Parties,any Contracting Party may at any time after the expiration of that period give notice to the depositary Government of its withdrawal from the present Treaty; and such withdrawal shall take effect two years after the receipt of the notice by the depositary Government.
Your also forgetting that the base which was the first inhabitaed was actualy founded by a Scotsman and then tranfered to Argentina.
@50 -Malv
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your response to not being able to steal the Falkland Islands is to steal something else. Tut, tut. It's against the 10 commandments to steal, , you'll have to go straight to hell, you will not pass go, and you will not collect $200 (especially as your president has stolen all the dollars).
Well since there is an Argentine delegation in the UK 'begging' us to invest in YPF, stealing British property wouldn't be the best idea you've ever had, but it would be so Argentine to cut off your nose to spite your face.
@53
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No you won't, I have least 6o years left, trust me it takes a fraction of that for a country to collapse.
But you need not collapse. You simply won't have any effect on the overwhelming evidence for Argentine settlement and first rights. The fact you are now falling but on jingoistic generalities “USA, USA!”, and then changing the topic is damning evidence you have nothing to back up your stamenents legally, which is the way of the 21st, or so Argentina is always lectured here.
So which one is it, are you all lying on being “civilized” and letting law and evidence dictate events, or is Antarctica Argentine?
hahahahahaha, we win, or we win. sorry.
@49 and what are you going to do with all that ice you can't afford the gin and tonic to put it in, maybe drill for oil..... Don't think so panyo
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#44
Sep 27th, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you seriously think that the rest of the world is going to let you claim the whole of the Antarctic continent ?
I think you are suffering from self delusion.
They love to talk and talk and talk but say nothing of any relevance.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They SAY the Falklands belong to Argentina but they do NOT.
One little boy in Mendoza CLAIMS Antarctica for Argentina but it is NOT true.
And there is nothing they can do about except talk and talk and talk.
@ 28 Anbar - exactly, until CFK is completely respectful to the people who LIVE on the Islands this will go on for ever. These people are the ones who will be effected by this, not people on mainland Argentina.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem is that she won't speak to them because of pride, thinking that a big grown up country like Argentina shouldn't be bowing down to a little community.
Sorry, but that is exactly what Argentina needs to do, be nice and then maybe (unlikely) one day in the very distant future the Falklanders will feel more affiliated to Argentina and might let them share their riches.
60 years left? Crikey your confident
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Selling fresh water will be a massive industry in the first half of this century. By the 2060s, desalinization processes will become extremely cheap, and “atmospheric” condensers will bring water from the upper atmosphere over deserts, so then it will be a dying industry. So selling Antarctic ice cubes is rather profitable in the medium term.
@59
I do say “Antarctica” to save typing, but I generally mean a portion of the Antarctic peninsula. The rest of the continent I don't care much for.
That's how irrational and evil you people are, that you even will try to deny us that, in spite of all the overwhelming human evidence of our presence in the upper Antarctic peninusla.
It is your delusion to believe the UK will ever control that area over Argentina.
“with the largest population, both non-military and overall.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it's the USA who has the largest population in the Antarctic.
Antarctica is home to only Military bases and scientific research posts. Neither of which can claim self determination.
Also only an Argentinian would think that shipping a heavily pregnant woman off to a distant freezing cold inhospitable land with the pure intent of making her give birth there for political gain is a positive thing.
The most obvious answer is that the treaty will continue, And no-one will have Antarctica. This is what should happen.
Wow you are hopelessly ignorant and I don't even know where to start. Kinda like your Prez yesterday.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the reference to General Washington helping Lincoln win the Civil war was a brilliant! Is that what they teach in your country?
Backwards 3rd world losers.
Do you know a WARSHIP can produce 10 tonnes of fresh water an hour using evaporaters well Royal Navy ones can, just thought I'd throw that out there ;) TIT
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are one presumptious fool are you. No one is in Antarctica at gun point, they are all there by choice, and can leave when they wish. No one was shipped or is shipped.
This is what happens when Anglos have the facts standing in the way. They lose what little noetic coherence they possessed.
And by the way, you Brits did SHIP by force people to other continents, already habitated by other people I might add. Didn't stop you from subjugating it did it?
Your history always conspires against you, brits.
Elaine, I see you have no facts to prove your point so personal attacks is the name of the game huh?
Poor middle aged cougar.
@54
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Therefore, the possibility remains of the principle of self-determination, as its exercise by the islanders, cause the “disruption of the national unity and territorial integrity”
Applies only if Argetnina can proove the claim that the civilian population was expelled. Which they can not. Also UN law does not apply pre 1945 as no nation in the 1800s could be expect to forsee the future UN law.
“Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that” But as the title says this applies to the granting independence to colonial COUNTRIES AND PEOPLES. Argetnines are not living under British Collonial law they can not use this to push a case. This applies only to the COLLONIAL PEOPLE. The current population
“included this doctrine of the principle of territorial integrity by referring to the interests and NOT the wishes of the population of the islands”
And is it in the intrests of the population to be handed over to rule by a foreign government with whom they share no ties? If not, then there can be no argreement which is compatible with the resolutions you quote.
”They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self..... , with due regard to the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands“
Actualy that statement shows that self determination does apply as it states ”in reagrd to the provisons of the UN charter, of which article 1,2 states “ the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples”
Therfore no solution is valid which does not adhear to article 1.2 of the charter therefore no solution is valid where self determination does not apply.
@54 “ ...interests of the people of the Falkland Islands”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah that nagging phrase. If Argentina refuses to speak directly to the elected representatives of the Falklands even when they are in the same room with them, then the fault of any stalemate is on... the UK? London provides far more respect to the Falklanders than Buenos Ares You can't have your resolution and ignore key phrases of them, not to mention ignore a core principle of the UN: self-determination. If the “Argentine” citizens of the “Malvinas” decided to self-determine to be British either in part of full, I assume that you would treat them better than the Junta did and respect their wishes?
@57, yes, because the US has such a big slice of the Antarctic claimed for Uncle Sam. The US effectively supports an open Antarctica for science, navigation and security. Heck, most of US Antarctic policy goes through that most imperialist wing of government: the National Science Foundation. Do come down to earth.
@66
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/sep/27/uk-gdp-economy-data-second-quarter?newsfeed=true
But you have desalinization war ships. :)
@70
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we do!
http://www.desalination.biz/news/news_story.asp?id=6709&title=Pall+grabs+another+naval+water-generator+contract
@71
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cool, with 35 billion dollars of deficits, that maybe the only thing left of the UK by the time you balance your budget.
And how quaint that you celebrate that your GDP “shrank a little less”... that's what the UK has been reduced to?
Argentina does not own the Falkland Islands and Argentina does not own Antarctica. Two facts.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where as Argentina has been reduced to lying about its actual econmic figures to hide the truth from its own citizens to such an extent that the IMF has given them 3 months to comply with the rules of the organsiation or be kicked out.
Yes I know, the IMF are a corrupt and evil organsiation who are biased towards the devloped nations. Fine then dont be a part of it.
@73
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0English transation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I
“Yes I know, the IMF are a corrupt and evil organsiation who are biased towards the devloped nations. Fine then dont be a part of it.”
Will you deny this given their track record the last 20 years?
Then fine dont be a part of it but dont complian when you are told to play by the rules or leave.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#72 hey TiT, you really needed to worry about other country's deficit s and debt. The rest of the world pays them back with interest. So again, don't stress you are the sole member of the deadbeats club.......and always will be.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sill displaying your intelligence by supporting arguments with utube and wikipedia I see. No wonder children took over the scholls in Buenos Aires. Good Lord, you expect to take on the Brits over their Falklands yet you can't handle your own children.
@76
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not part of the IMF. We paid them off and we weren't bailed out by them in 2001. So how much more clear can that be?
Why should be leave? Don't you see? That's the point, we want them to kick us out, because it will make them look bad. Us just walking away makes us look bad.
On this one Argentina is a step ahead everyone. We want to leave, but why do so when we can be kicked out and make them look bad about it?
@72 ttt
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina is doing soooooooo much better, isn't it? :)
@73 and they aren't going to, nobody will. Can anyone truly see the international community agreeing to carve up Antarctica, with our without overlapping claims? The UK ain't gonna have it, neither will Argentina, Chile, Norway or the rest. The only value of the assortment of claims is that they add color to what is otherwise a rather boring map (save for the ice melt projections that guarantee that Antarctica will never be up for grabs -- unless you think climate change is a British Colonialist plot. Argentine/Chilean/Norwegian/Aussie/Kiwi/French translation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw&feature=fvwrel)
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry TTT, you still owe LOADS of money
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 TTT “No one is in Antarctica at gun point, they are all there by choice, and can leave when they wish.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A minor correction - they may not be there at gunpoint, but at the Argentinian base at Marambio and the Chilean base at Marsh, the vast majority of the personnel are military - I very much doubt they are there by choice, nor will they be able to leave when they wish. Most who I met when I visited did not seem at all keen about being there. Of all the different nationalities of bases I visited, it was noticeable that the Chileans and Argentinians had by far the most military involvement in the running of their programmes. (I worked in the Antarctic for 12 summers)
@ 76 EngineerAbroad....
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ended up being “engineer aboard”....a member of the UK team....another UK rubbish bloody english arse!
@78
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes you paid them off but Argetnina is still a member of the IMF, thats why it is in the G20.
Being kicked out will have a dramatic effect on compnaies investing in the country. You may feel it would make them look bad but rightly or wrongly compnaies looking to invest Argetnine will take into account what the IMF says, so rightly or wrongly being kicked out with make Argetnine looks like a bad investment to the majority of the world.
@79, 81
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we are on a macro level. Our debt is much lower than yours (and we don't owe anyone anything, that was already settled), our economy actually grew in the lat 5 years, how about yours? lol
@80
We will have it, it's inevitable.
“That´s why the UK negotiated sovereignty with the argentine dictatorship a bew years before the war. And that´s also the reason why the only card they play is the “self-determination”.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Nationality_%28Falkland_Islands%29_Act_1983
Before this act, the population of the islanders didn't enjoy full rights as british citizens. Now they do. These rights include that of a referendum to determine their own future.
Since this act was passed, the british government isn't legally allowed to enter negotiations over the future of the islands without the consent of the islanders. Your government might find its own constitution to be nothing more than an inconvenience but our democratic tradition is a little more grown up than that.
@ 2012 - learn english!!!!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rubbish bloody english UK Team!
lol
@82
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can be guaranteed that the UK, US, Russians, and others in Antarctica want to be ther far less than us. All the cases of social tension and emergencies have happened in those racial groups.
@84
Companies don't invest in Argentina, they thieve.
@81 - v for victory
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be sorry for the troll. He's a genius - not. He knows everything - not.
What he is, is deluded. What he is, is a racist. What he is, is paranoid. What he is, is a fool. What he is, he's arrogant. What he's not - important.
“You are one presumptious fool are you. ”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe it was you who foolishly presumed that i said anyone was shipped at gunpoint or is forced to be there.
“Didn't stop you from subjugating it did it?”
I'm not the one living in the country my ancestors stole from the native population.
Sure, you can have a go at my government. Your family was the ones who boarded the ships and went on a merry cruse and slaughtered themselves a load of innocent natives.
My family on the other hand, have as far back as i can trace it lived in the the British isles.
But deflection aside. Shipping heavily pregnant women off to islands isn't the modern day example of planting a flag. If the US flew a seven month pregnant woman to the moon to give birth it would not make the moon there's to own.
It's honestly a crap way of artificially creating a population where in fact there isn't one. As technology progresses there may indeed some day be a real human settlement and population on the continent if the treaty allows. If and when this occurs it will be up to that population to decide there future(US, Argentina, British, Polish, Whomever). But untill that day it's just governments fighting over the land.
Personally i don't think anyone should have it, Leave it be.
@89
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isnt one a prerequsite of the other? i.e. in order to thrive they have to invest! Maybe someone should tell YPF they are thriving last I looked they were going round the world asking for investment. I think they are in London this week asking UK compnaies for money. The compnaies your own state owned oil comapny is asking for investment care from the IMF say Im afraid.
@ 85 TTT - Facts please, it's all in the FACTS...... you owe billions!!!!!!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/10/04/argentina-much-more-indebted-that-you-think/#axzz27h37aNti
AND I'm still giving handouts to your useless govenment through aid. That's my Tax money which I prefer to go to people who recognise that they have been given a helping hand. Ungrateful or what????
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/112690/moodys-cuts-outlook-on-30-argentine-banks
Sep 27th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it's been fun, this neural warm-up me against 10-15 averagely endowed humans in terms of cephalo-noetic prowess, but it is time for me to engage in more challenging eventualities for my intellect, like learning 4 languages simultaneously plus my math work.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I salute you for your valorous efforts. If you keep it up, perhaps one day I will invite you to Argentine Antarctica for a “natural on the rocks”. Keep in mind your passports for the argentine customs.
tʃau
This reply of England is worthless
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0becouse that
These Islands dominated by the Governor who appointed from London
not elected by few Islands settlers deem themselves a “” people “”.
@95
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your contributions. Im guessing my DNI means I shouldnt have a problem comming to you new continent for an Asado.
97
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The time is afternoon in Argentina ?
@ right at this moment its 15.10. Any thing else I can help you out with?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK delegation thanks the Argentinian delegation for it's indulgence, same time, same place next year, the year after that and the year after that and so on and so on, etc, etc. The answer however will emphaticaly still be the same.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.economist.com/node/21563732
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 095 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow. And can you say 'I am a complete bellend' in four different languages?
@70 ok your right I'm wrong 28 years in Royal Navy and I still can't get it right I am a clusterfuck sorry I bow to your superior knowledge....... NOT YOU DICKHEAD
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 EnginnerAbroad
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have eyes and not see, have ears and not hear. You again hit the same stone forever.
1 - His insightful analysis takes into account the historical and social processes of the time in 1833 that is where the conflict arises sovereignty. No self-determination. Historical evidence is inconclusive. The conflict he developed in the context of English colonialism and imperialism. Read the resolution 2065 of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40 / 21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self.
2 - All development and analysis and was studied and analyzed by the committee of United Nations decolonization. And in doing so had access to documents and historical evidence of many Argentine and British. This occurred prior to resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions. Finally the commission ruled in favor of the Argentine arguments. Was found to be a conflict of sovereignty. In reaching this conclusion was based on several arguments. Among them, the expulsion of 1833.
3. You know the resolutions of the UN Decolonization. These international institutions have studied the conflict better than you and me. So they have concluded that it is a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination. The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.
Just look at any web page concerning the decolonization committee of United Nations refers to are a colony.
Please reread Resolution 2065 and stop for a moment the words “sovereignty” and the word “Interest”.
“People who boast about their IQ are loosers.”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stephen Hawking.
Arrogance is an indicator of deep rooted lack of self esteem, Truly intelligent individuals have no such impulse to impress it upon others as they are confident in themselves.
They but try to put on a brave face,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plastic or otherwise,
No negotiations,
The Falklands are free people,
And the only people on this planet that are upset,
Are once again the dictators?
The devotees and the brain washed,
Is this not so,
Still,
No ,means no,
But in CFK case,????
.
Unfortunatelly i am not wrong when i say that historic facts are always submitted to omisions in both parts of the conflict. It's true what the representants from the islands say, when they argue that no civilian population was expealed in 1833, but they omit that the u. k deprived arg. of exercising it's rights that year, because it forced the argentine authorities to leave the archipelago, i know that there is a big controversy with the historic facts, thats' why the best that we can do is to investigate, and not to believe the official history of both countries. On the other hand, c. f. k. was very clear when she said that we are not asking the u. k. to return the islands to arg., in fact, the u. n has never expressed that as the solution for this conflict, all it did was to call both parts to negotiated a peaceful solution. It means that if the islanders want to remain under british goverment, arg. won't be able to force them to accept the argentine sovereignty only, beside, this report by the u. k omits also that this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation by the d. c., in fact, the u. n has never invoked the right to self determination for this cause, like it did for others colonial situations. On the other hand, unfortunatelly, the lack of intellectual honesty of many of the people who publish their comments here, don't let them see that actually their country is not acting correctly either, because it has always manifested that it won't discuss about the sovereignty, we can't ignore that the main problem is the sovereignty, which must be discussed, and find a fair solution for both, and in the case of argentina, c. f. k continues committing a big mistake, because she doesn't include the gov. from the islands to discuss about the sovereignty. Anyway, i understand that planty of the people who publish comments here, will continue parroting that only arg. is not acting correctly, that shows the mediocrity of their thoughts.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@104 You really dont udnerstand the concepot of presedence or my argument do you?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self.” Except as i have already told you they state a solution must be incordance with the principles and objectives of the UN charter and therefore must comply with the rights of self dtermination. A reoslution does not need to state it is true if a) A document of higher prescedence states it is true or b) it then refrences an additional document. In this case both apply.
b)”All development and analysis and was studied and analyzed by the committee of United Nations decolonization. And in doing so had access to documents and historical evidence of many Argentine and British. This occurred prior to resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965“
A resolution in 1965 would not of consiudered any reserch of evidence which has come to light as a reuslt of accademic reserch therefore if new evidcne exisits it must be considered.
”No self-determination. The committee considers UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island.”
See above self dtermination does apply as the resilutions refrence the charter which states it applies. The UN have never stated self dtermination does not apply. Ackonollging a sovernigyt disupte does not in anyway say self dtermination does not apply. In additon all those terriotories have the right to self dtermiantion. The C24 exisits to assist the population in achiving this IF THEY WISH. It does not exisit to force deciosns against their wishes on them.
I ask you again, How is it in the intrest of the population? Therefore how can any solution be in line with the Un resolution. Without intrest it is not comptable.
Please counter my arguments not just past the same argument over again
“Please counter my arguments not just past the same argument over again”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck with that. I believe most of us gave up after a few months of trying.
@104 -Raul
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina invalidated all these resolutions.
Typical Argtard. Breakpoint break the resolutions, then you blame the other party who DIDN'T break them.
Pathetic much?
@107 - Axel
As your President has said, it is the 21st century. That means 21st century laws. That means the people of the Falklands have the right to determine their own future.
It's up to the people of the Falklands to decide their own sovereignty. Since Argentina have behaved abysmally towards them, why should they EVER want to be associated with your country in any way?
# 57 TTT
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be a genius to be learning four languages and maths - math is incorrect in English - and all this at the age of ten.
As the biblical life span for man is three score years and ten, by reverse extrapolation your age must be ten.
Your young age probably accounts for your naivety.
England is a threat to world peace by having atomic bombs.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do talk Tommy rot,
UK in the wrong,
Its all the fault of the British
YOU ARGIES
Do talk Tommy rot sometimes .
.
What is intresting is if the sovernigty of the islands was transfeered, the population of the islands would still be considered a non self governining terriotry and would remain on the C24 list (just as a non self governining terriotry of Argentina, rather than Britain). The Population would then be entitled to apply for indepdence and under UN law Argetnina would have to accept this. Transferring a colont from one power to another against the wishes of the population does not mean it ceases to be a collony.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My IQ overwhelms all your thought frequencies. That's that.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#107
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's like being caught in a revolving door with this discussion about sovereignty.
The Argentine position is non-negotiable over sovereignty. You have it written into your constitution. What is their to discuss over this point ?
Your President “demands” - not asks for sovereignty
Please enlighten us.
@104 Raul,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that on the basis of the conclusions and recommendations of Sub-Committee III,which it adopted
without objection, the Special Committee (C24) confirmed
that the provisions of the Declaration on Decolonization
applied to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas); noted the
existence of a dispute between the Governments of the
United Kingdom and of Argentina concerning
sovereignty over the islands; and invited those Governments
to enter into negotiations with a view to finding
a peaceful solution, bearing in mind the provisions and
objectives of the United Nations Charter and of the
Declaration, the interests of the population and the
opinions expressed during the debate.
I've been unable to find the original conclusions and recommendations of sub-committee III (p. 449, para. 121) to confirm my understanding and I wondered if you had access to a copy in either Spanish or English? You see, without seeing those conclusions and recommendations one can't understand what it was the Resolutions were referring to in its “ruling”.
I think that what they said was that this was indeed a colonial situation (UK confirmed that it was) but I can't find any reference to a ruling”. Your help would be appreciated.
#70
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for sharing the article from respectable newspaper, The Guardian, in my opinion the best.
Interestingly, some highly rated comments, I guess, from uk citizens:
“More proof- if needed - that the Tories are dragging a once fair, decent country into the abyss”
“Tick-tick-tick-tick...”
“George Osbourne and David Cameron, please don't hesitate to f*ck off immediately. Yours sincerely, A concerned citizen”
“Quarter three will be a real hoot. The Olympics slump, floods, Royal bollocks extra public holidays Oh dear”
Last one is funny and almost applicable to others contexts in FCO behavior.
“Osbourne- finger in ears....LALALALALALALALALALALALALLALALALALAL not listening, can't hear you LALALALALALALALALA”
Difficult times ahead for the UK and disintegration already underway with Scotland to the head.
sorry .... once a decent country
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/sep/27/uk-gdp-economy-data-second-quarter?commentpage=2#start-of-comments
107 axel arg
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every time you cut and paste this, someone asks you for the specific reference to where the UN says 'the right to self determination does not apply to Falkland Islanders'.
I want to see those exact words on a document from the UN.
Put up or shut up.
(and that goes for you too Raul)
Oh and you can't decolonise somewhere by making it a colony of somewhere else. We have nothing in common with Argentina and we don't want you. Therefore we would be an unwilling colony of Argentina. Not allowed by the UN.
It all boils down to this,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[You want, what you don’t own]
You want to steal, what you don’t own,
And you intend to break every rule, treaty , agreement ,
And use all illegally to get them, no matter who objects or who loses,
IS THIS NOT THE TRUTH
thieves
.
109 Zethee &108 EnginnerAbroad & 111 Clyde15 & 106 briton
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you guys even trying? I mean really?
It says this right at the beginning of the article :-
“There can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish”
There. It's over. Simple. done. I mean ( ha, ha, ha ) you would have to be a complete moron to not understand what that means right? huh? right guys? You would have to have the IQ of a brick if you did not understand it wouldn't you?
I know that you have to keep repeating it because some people ( Argentinians ) have a thick head and it takes a while but look on the bright side!!
Their economy is right royally f**ked. In a few years, when they are chasing wildebeast around the savanna with clubs, they will be begging you to come over and run their country for them
39 slattzzz
Love it!!! you get extra points for that one!!
As gentlemen, we are but only trying to help these unfortunate people,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we can but try.
@115
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More like an early episode of the Twilight Zone!
“There can be no negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless and until such time as the Islanders so wish”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
@117 - so_far
Sep 27th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn. Even at its worst our economy will outlast yours.
Why? Because we aren't a dead beat country who won't honour it's debts.
Argentina. Plenty of natural resources, but a completely corrupt government, that makes some of the worst African republics look honest.
That's why your country is in the sh!t, and why you're on the precipice of being booted out of the IMF, and being locked out of international money markets.
Given the choice I'd rather be poor in the UK than middle class in Argentina.
but they do have mr think,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so far so good then.lol.
LEADERSHIP SKILLS TEST LAST DAYS
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) CRISTINA FERNANDEZ DE KIRCHNER ARGENTINE PRESIDENT
HARVARD UNIVERSITY:
“Argentina’s President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is speaking at Harvard University in an event that has already gained international attention.”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/09/27/argentine-president-speak-harvard/E3SGKUKtlPsPXkMhCRyqVN/story.html
GEORGESTOWN UNIVERSITY
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/09/27/argentine-president-speak-harvard/E3SGKUKtlPsPXkMhCRyqVN/story.html
2) DAVID CAMERON UK-PM
“David Cameron struggles in mock citizenship test on David Letterman's Late Show”
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/09/27/argentine-president-speak-harvard/E3SGKUKtlPsPXkMhCRyqVN/story.html
CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCES ??
MILLONS DO
billions dont,
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0silly billy
“Why are you guys even trying? I mean really? ””
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's exactly what i was getting at. I gave up trying. I am half convinced them two are just bots pasting the same stuff every post.
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Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0114 Truth_Telling_Troll (
My IQ overwhelms all your thought frequencies.
MMMMMMMMM
Well,
Eye have two,
And my [ Q ] has served me well at the table.
Lolol…
.tongue in cheek
'Cameron set to sign £100m deals in Brazil'
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.ft.com/cms/s/0/25151ca4-08d2-11e2-9176-00144feabdc0.html
'Cristina Kirchner continues to lie about the Falklands'
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100182857/cristina-kirchner-continues-to-lie-about-the-falklands/
live stream from harvard lets hope them folks put the argentine president on the rack, kicks off in 3 hours, 1am uk time.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this link may have already been posted,but what the hell.
http://forum.iop.harvard.edu/content/public-address-her-excellency-cristina-fern%C3%A1ndez-de-kirchner-president-argentina
“awkward” ,“dodge” & “deflect” will be the order of the day.
Please uk, don´t lie anymore!. Everybody knows that in this case doesn´t apply the self determination, because the few islanders (no more than 2,500 to 3,000) which are living there, were implanted by the same country who stole this territory only to try to maintain this usurpation, using this false argument !!. It´s very clear that UK has used the pretext of “self-determination” to legalize this usurpation and to avoid the decolonization. Obviously, this huge lie told by uk that can´t be hidden.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0132 johnfarrel2050
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well of course it cannot: it does not exist.
@89 TTT - “You can be guaranteed that the UK, US, Russians, and others in Antarctica want to be ther far less than us”
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said, I worked there for 12 years (summers). I visited Chilean, Argentinian, American, Finnish, Swedish, South African, German, Independent (commercial) bases. I can guarantee you that the military personnel at the Chilean and Argentinian bases were the least motivated of all the people I met about being there. Virtually everyone else was totally enthusiastic about the place - they were there because they really wanted to be there.
Please uk, don´t lie anymore!. Everybody knows that in this case doesn´t apply the self determination, because the few islanders (no more than 2,500 to 3,000) which are living there, were implanted by the same country who stole this territory only to try to maintain this usurpation, using this false argument !!. It´s very clear that UK has used the pretext of “self-determination” to legalize this usurpation and to avoid the decolonization.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont see this abomination!!!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_TeWPbN-64&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=27&feature=plpp_video
@132 its not The UKs decision, Self Determination means thats its solely The Falklanders destiny which themselves alone have to decide, and so they will in 2013 tune in you will learn something about human rights and Democracy.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@104
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul, I have stopped at the word interest as you request.
You asked for it.
”, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas); ”
It clearly states in 2065 here that the UN Charter applies. As self-determination is in that Charter, it cannot be discounted otherwise it would say here that it excludes the paragraph in which self-determination is mentioned.
It clearly does not.
Ok Raul, what in your view are the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands?
I know what they are in my view, however , I am an Englishman and can suggest them ,but only a member of the' Falklands population 'is qualified to confirm thier interests.
Put your views on what they are, and let's see if the Falkland Islanders on this forum agree.
If they don't, you're a bit stuffed aren't you.?
@135 JF
Sep 27th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of b***ocks!
What's the “magic number” then? No doubt it is current population of the Falklands plus one.
You are just trying (and failing miserably) at semantics.
“no Falklands’ sovereignty negotiations unless and until the Islanders so wish” or until prompted pocket!!!!! cinics
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peace! Peace!! Here South América, not Síria! ok?
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yankeeboy (#).hey yankeesillyboy,why you buy a life? sucker!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 Axel Arg - I think your post is refreshing.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sad fact is that CFK changes her story like the wind and so no-one will consider doing business with her. In an ideal World (ie one where their closest neighbour wasn't constantly hassling them) the Falklanders would possibly choose full independence (but stay within the Commonwealth as with Canada or Australia)
I think 1833 is a dead issue (the 1850 Treaty nullifies it in any case) and I think the only possible transfer of sovereignty is to the islanders - if they wish it. If not, then it's the status quo.
Argentina has put sovereignty claims into its constitution so it is hard to see how any talks with anyone would be fruitful. It would be a two sentence discussion.
Arg: “We demand sovereignty”
FIG: “No”
There are plenty of local matters where the FI and Argentina could have a symbiotic relationship - fisheries, environment, science, culture etc but the '82 invasion and CFK antics have put this beyond repair and I don't see a moderate Arg government on the horizon so I think it will be “business as usual”
Great link Brasileiro! Otimo o video, nao conhecía!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vida longa para o Brasil!!!
Cheers from Buenos Aires!
@141 Yes - I enjoyed the link too!
Sep 27th, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2012/09/27/uk-to-cristina-no-falklands-sovereignty-negotiations-unless-and-until-the-islanders-so-wish#comment168431: Yes, I caught the Letterman show out of the corner of my eye when he asked, what does the Magna Carta stand for in English. When the answer was fluffed I thought, “Who is this oaf?” It turned out that the oaf is the Prime Minister of the UK.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where was this man educated? I knew the answer to that question even though neither English nor Latin is my first language.
146 Hepatia
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Latin isn't anyone's first language.
The Falklands for the Falklanders, Antarctica for the Argentines.
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As most people in this world agree.
148 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 27th, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely. All of them. Best place for them, and give Argentina to someone who'll make a better job of it. Have you seen Esperanza base? I have. Good luck.
@149
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't even have a movieplex and are judging us? lol, how quaint.
Argentina has already achieved its potential, but nothing last forever.
I can tell you we may be richer in 50 years than Europe, because it is going down in a hurry, and there is nothing that can change that.
150 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0And is having a 'movieplex' your measure of civilization? How...vulgar.
50 years ago you were richer than Europe, and you blew it. Who knows what the future may hold.
@151
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it is, ask Greek Yoghurt, he says so.
No one blew it, it was sabotage. Ask yankeeboy, mastershakejb, conqueror, et at.
I'm just using the haters' train of thoughts.
jajaja
Crap_Talking_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thought you might enjoy a read :-)
http://www.temple.edu/law/ticlj/ticlj22-1Tray.pdf
@153
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would you trust a solely Latin perspective on the matter? jajajaja
So why should I trust an anglo version? We know anglos are in the tank for each other.
That's too long to read right now, but I can assure you that based on the UK's own arguments for the Falklands, the UK will utterly never have a nanometer of sovereign land in the future province of Argentine Antarctica (even though de facto the peninsula is already ours).
I love how the Brits keep digging their holes deeper, showing their true colors as the thieves they always were.
ICBR :
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Things are getting really serious for uk....Time for pay the bill......starting in America
http://vimeo.com/150936
“....We are a global network of citizens who have suffered injuries at the hands of the British Empire over the last five hundred years. We've banded together to ask the United Kingdom to compensate the world for all the damage they've done.”
http://vimeo.com/150936
@154 TTT
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0To paraphrase TTT:
“I can't be bothered to read the article, but I'm sure the Antarctic Peninsula is ours”
I understand - a well researched, complex, academic analysis of the situation, issues, and events, may well prove awkward and problematic for TTT.
LOL
@156
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anglo-saxon propaganda is not admissible in court, only the fact. I've posted the facts already. The only nationality with indigenous claims to the continent is Argentina. Like it or not, that automatically trumps any other arguments.
And besides, the UK is on the hook £31,960,000,000,000.... that's 32 trillion just to clarify.
I had estimated some months ago that the 500 of European abuse on the people's of the planet probably was around 9-12 trillion in debts, I was woefully underestimating.
So Antarctica is the last thing you should be thinking about. You and the rest of Europe should be thinking about how to pay back about 200 trillion in reparations. The more you wait, the worst it will be... given inflation rates you Europeans will be on the hook for a QUADRILLION dollars by 2056.
157 Racist Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't understand a word of that. You seem to have randomly interspersed your icky racist ranting with bits of your maths homework. Time for your medication I think.
With Europe and the USA societies in utter freefall, you are seeing a surge of racism
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0- in the UK (as seen above, and the riots, and the shooting)
- in France (deporting Roma, banning headcarfs, now they want to ban yamakas)
- in Germany (nazi terrorcells murdering immigrants and police ignoring)
- in Italy (rounding up black africans randomly and one town banning them)
-in Spain (beating immigrant girl on train, countless abuses of immigrants)
-in the USA (mass shootings, persecution of foreigners, anti-immigrant laws both legal and not, visas, etc)
- Netherlands (Wilders and the mass shooting recently at an ethnic mall)
-Norway (Brevik)
-Switzerland (banning mosques)
-Portugal (doubling penalties on non-portuguese for even traffic tickets)
- Poland and Russia (obscene levels of racial hatred to anyone a shade darker than a northern Italian).
Let's not even get to the racism in Japan, China, and Korea.
They are decaying societies which Argentina, a far more evolved society with far more religious, ethnic, racial, and sexual tolerance should avoid at all costs. They claim to be the first world but they are execrable cultures with no sense of morality and can't speak the truth.
4 times his GDP
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0...honesty....and paraphrasing Mr Malvinero. UK is finished.
look this research from Morgan Stanley, is unbelieve the dark futture comming for England and the disintegration of the Kingdom
http://www.eurekareport.com.au/graphs/2012/2/22/g10-debt-distribution
Raul and Is Malv - if you wish to insist in thelies that civilian settlers were expelled by the britiish in 1833 - please consult and study the relevant historical documents in the Archives in Buenos Aires.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or sla I send you the list of names of people who were here in 1833 - and were still here in the 1840s when Charles Darwin visited? If you like I can also email you a copy of the burial records of the last of those settlers - a lady - who dies here and is buried in Stanley cemetery?
Do grow up and stop lying all the time- but then that would be a very un-argentine thing to do i guess!
Cristina Kirchner is visiting both Georgetown University and Harvard University to give presentations.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Camoron visited some Yank talk show to embarrassed himself once more.
“'I need to do extra homework on British history', says David Cameron after Letterman stumble”
“David Cameron said he needed to do 'extra homework' after he was unable to named the composer of Rule Britannia! or give the correct translation for 'Magna Carta' on the David Letterman chat show”
Yes, you need to do some extra homework on British history Mr Camoron.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9570973/I-need-to-do-extra-homework-on-British-history-says-David-Cameron-after-Letterman-stumble.html
“Brutish Grime Minuster Duhvid Camoron”
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think that not knowing the name of a random composer on a bullshit chat show is far less important than knowing your facts about the history of the falklands in front of the UN and embarassing yourself, it's even worse when you really do know the facts but just choose to lie, eh CFK?
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@157 TiT
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You haven't read the article and yet you dispute it!
I submit that you really fear that it will argue successfully that the “facts” you posted are incorrect and your arguments are basically flawed or irrelevant - does not fit what you want to hear.
Poor frustrated Troll... :-(
@157 TTT
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indigenous claims to the island? Ah you mean the penguins!
You've clearly gone off target with the racism and finger poking at european states but this demands a response. You/Argentina have no moral high ground as you are innately as bad, more so with your eviction of indigenous indians, blockading of friendly islands. Your ingrained hatred for the UK which is a symptom of your schooling and the falsehood you have been taught is a worrying trait. This explains much of your troll activity. In Britain, history of the falklands has never been taught, neither has propaganda. Our teachers are free thinking and not suppressed by the kind of dogma dished out by your disgraceful goverment, now and in the past.
MA
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plonker, we are talking the US here, you make Letterman, you've made it baby!
KFC would have been on there in a trice and you know that as much as I do. University speaking engagements, pahhh! two a peso!!!
@146
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Where was this man educated? I knew the answer to that question even though neither English nor Latin is my first language.”
Fair comment he made himself look a total ass.
Howevr, your president can't get the facts right about the UN Charter or the history surrounding the Falklands considering the amount of times she keeps referring to the islands. She can't even get 1833 right, and as she has no desire to actually access the relevant records wich are in Buenos Aires, she makes Cameron look like a genius.
Many of us knew what it meant but honestly, how manyof us knew when it was signed? be honest! and you can bank on the fact that Letterman knew jack shit about it.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Islas Malvinas
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0he UK governement were in talks to habd over the Islands, you are correct. But its only because they didnt want the cost of keeping them, not an addmission of Argentine claims. The Islandsers went nuts and so won their rights for self determination. The modern world cannot accept such disrespect to people or breach of their human rights. Also you should realise that it was infact the UK who recognised Argentina as a country, which helped argentina out imensely and also built their railways.
Colonialism is often thrown into this, the UK didnt colonise South America, it was mostly Spain. I often think what would the posistion be if the Islanders were black, an ex sugar plantation? This leads me to the conclusion that the south americans are racist and are just having a go at the “gringos” I would love to see Argentina try this rubbish if they were black!
Yes the Islanders are a relic of colonialism, but so is Jamaica etc and nobody questions their rights! I could understand Argentinas views if a population had been expelled, but there was no population!
If it was up to me I would break diplomatic relations with Argentina as they cause as much trouble for the UK as possible and are harmful to the UK and try to bully the UK.
Argentina's claims to Antarctica fall way behind the British claim. The link I posted is not about the Falklands - but I know that you are inclined to make assumptions Crap_Talking_Troll :-)
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina didn't fancy its chances at the ICJ in 1953.
I wonder why :-)
While the world tries to get out of recession,
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK worries about the Falklands,
While Argentina is falling apart,
The world gets on with it,
A fool’s paradise,
For brain dead devotees perhaps…
.
Comment removed by the editor.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2012/09/27/uk-to-cristina-no-falklands-sovereignty-negotiations-unless-and-until-the-islanders-so-wish#comment168602: Its even worse than you say. When I went to bed last night my president was a male. Now that I wake up this morning you tell me that he is a female!
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've just scan the news - nothing about a nocturnal presidential gender change. It appears that you are the only one to know. Certainly he must be in shock so you claims about 1833 (whatever they are) can hardly be foremost in his mind. Under the circumstances I'm sure that you will forgive him.
Oh if only!!!!
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome back Maggie!!!!
A Poem Just for you CFK.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today she asked the United Nations to give her back those Islands
They have always belonged to us she screamed banging her fist down on the table.
Sorry lady came the stern reply you are acting like a stubborn Kid
Calm down and start again your words are but a garble.
Once again she’s been defeated in front of the whole wide world
Her temper has yet again been noted by this democratic lot.
Tears are streaming down her face , how dare they try to insult me
Her demands to take the Falklands they never really got.
So back to Argentina she now must go to face the angry mob
Who’s had enough of all her lies and want to kick her out.
Not only has she upset the world with her war like dictator ways
She has hurt her people really bad she is finished now there is no doubt.
Do the right thing you crazy cow and disappear from sight
Your Country is waking up at last to just who you really are.
Give them back what they all want and do the proper thing.
Stop your war against the Falkland people that of you I dare.
Surely now you have realised through the papers that are about
You are not as popular as you thought so do the right thing now and just bow out.
The Argentine People and the whole wide world would be a better place today
If you disappeared right now you rat we no longer want you about.
Lord ton the specialist in international law,why do you keep posting what are meant to be indisputable facts that you prove by using evidence from your other contributions to history on the Internet.As a specialist in law,you know that that is unacceptable.Its more like tabloid journalism but you forget to add the caveats,alleged or reported,to cover your attempts to deceive.It won't do,will it.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@165
Sep 28th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The one thing in all of this is, is Argentina alone in hating the UK? No.
Argentina hates everyone, with good reasons in all those cases. And many hate the UK. So given those two facts, there is nothing unusual at all about the situation.
And why should we like the UK? Let's forget the Falklands for a second. Has the UK EVER been friendly to Argentina? Look at 1806. Look at 1807. Look at the Cisplatine War (which was partly a distabilizing effort by the UK). Look at the 1890s financial crisis. Look at post-WWII how the UK and Europe banned argentine footstuffs. Look at the UK trying to deny Argentina any place in Antarctica, look at the rhetoric today.
In 200 years, the UK not one time has show but the fist, hatred, disdain, and animus towards us. And have always tried to harm us somehow. Still does.
How can you blame us then for our hatred? It's ridiculous.
Kretina's two University appearences have proved to the world that she is a total liar.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When asked why she doesn't take questions from reporters she replied that she constantly replied to reporters. She has had 5 press conferences in 5 years!!!!!
When asked about INDEC's erroneous data she said, straight faced, that it was absolutely accurate!!!!!!!
Well done the THEORETICAL 54% of morons who voted for her, way to go DOWN!!!!!
@176 kelper
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very nice, Kelper.
When CFK, the Jabberwock, arrives at the airport in BA, the band will be lined up on the Tarmac playing, “Hail to the Thief”
@3 No.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Malvinista drivel.
@12 They are islands, you fool!
@29 Fool. Why would the UK want anything from a bunch of backward, ignorant genocides? The Falklanders are British. They are happy with that and want no change. The UK will ensure that there is no change.
@32 No, we mean the British Antarctic Territory. As it will stay unless you want a war for the purpose of ensuring that you bunch of layabout genocides never bother anyone again.
@40 Could you tell us who made the first claim to that portion of Antarctica called British Antarctic Territory? And the date of the claim? And who built the first permanent weather station? And what they did with it? Incidentally, as military use of Antarctica is forbidden by international law, why has argieland got military families living there?
@54 You are so stupid, aren't you? The principle of self-determination is in the UN Charter. No GA resolution can negate the Charter. You've been told this so many times. I'm not going to tell you again. From now on, every time that you bring up your fatuous list of irrelevant resolutions, I shall report you for trolling and abusing everyone by wasting their time with your garbage.
@57 Actually, you have about 5 years left. Sometime in the next 5 years, you lot will go a step too far and will have to be exterminated. Poetic justice, I believe!
@78 Can you read? Then read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMF#Member_countries All UN members are IMF members except those listed!
@98 And soon it will be night. Everlasting night!
@107 The UK is right and you are wrong. Here endeth the first, and last, lessons!
@114 Ignorance quotient?
@120 As briton says we believe we have a duty to “rescue” the ignorant. Even if it kills them!
@181
Sep 28th, 2012 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you the UK will be exterminated before us.
As-Salaam-Alaikum
182 TTT
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Depends if TMBOA invades the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) again.
Next time, because I am sure it will happen after she wins her next election, the UK would be quite within its rights to bomb the shit out of the mainland.
Don't overlook the fact that OIL will be held to ransom then. you know who will be biting at the bit to help us. The clue is in the last two letters of the last word of the last sentence. :o)
@182 - Tobias
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You sound more like a nazi everyday (would Daddy be proud?). Hate everyone do you Tobias? I don't think you can respond for the other 39,999,999 people of Argentina.
But remember what Yoda once said: Fear leads to anger (who are you afraid of TTT), anger leads to hate (you seem awfully angry about something) and hate leads to suffering.
People like you, Tobias, revel in the suffering of others, whilst all the time pointing the finger of blame at someone else.
Well answer me this, Tobias. The people who live in Europe didn't colonise North and South America. It was the people who left Europe who colonised North and South America. So all the blame is therefore with these colonisers, your ancestors Tobias. My ancestors stayed at home, Tobias, and didn't colonise anyone.
So why do you hate Europeans when the people who colonised South America are the ones you should hate? Oh but you do hate them, don't you Tobias? In your impotent rage, you hate everyone.
You hate the rich (because they have money)
You hate the poor (because that's what you are)
You hate the British (jealousy?)
You hate the USA (ditto)
You hate Brazilians (etc.)
You hate Chileans. (and so on)
You hate Europeans (even though you are one)
You hate the Chinese.
You hate the Japanese.
You hate Asians.
You hate the Jews.
You hate the Muslims.
You hate the Christians.
You hate the Bhuddists.
You hate the Hindu's.
You hate the Sikhs.
You hate the Jedi.
You hate the Sith.
You hate Soldiers.
You hate Civlians.
But most of all YOU HATE YOURSELF for being an impotent imbecile who believes that the world owes him a living, instead of getting off your back side and earning a living.
Poor racist impotent imbecile. Aw.
P.S. the only way that the UK could be exterminated is if we were attacked by Daleks, but the Doctor is always around to lend a hand.
Argentina on the other hand doesn't need to be exterminated. You just commit economic suicide every 10-20 years. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.
184 LEPRecon
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent!
CLYDE 15. MONTY69. STEVEU.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argument that many of you love parroting all the time, about what our constitution says respecting our claim for the islands, is really irrelevant. On the other hand, if you search in the web site of the u. n, you'll read that there are different resolutions where self dtermination is invoked for those cases, but there is not any resolution which invokes that principle for the malvinas-falkland case, anyway, there is not either any resolution which expresses that self dtermination is not applicable for the population from the islands, thats' why i think that the resolutions should be more specific, however, this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation. Anyway if the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., it means that f the islanders want to remain under british gov., arg. won't be able to force them to accept the argentine sovereignty only, beyond what both constitutions say. Respecting the history, this is evident that some of you continue buying easily your own propaganda. I think that if we want to discuss about such a complicated cause like this one, we must have enough intellectual honesty, in order to recognize that the case has strong and weack aspects for both parts of the conflict. It's true what most you say respecting the fact that argentina's claim wasn't continues after 1850, which might prejudice our case, but most you omit that between 1884 and 1888, arg. suggested discussing the cause before an arbitration, which was rejected by the u. k, beside, in 1947, the u. k proposed argentina to discuss the question of the dependencies from the islands, but it didn't include the malvinas-falkland in the proposal, on the other hand, in 1968, 1974 and 1980, the u. k tried to find a negotiated solution with arg. for this conflict.
@182
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no military capability to bomb mainland Argentina. If you did, you would have used it on other countries but how come it is always the USA that does the work. Never been the UK. Because you don't have the resources, even in areas much closer to the UK. I don't buy your military might anymore. I've been doing some reading.
@184
Yes I do hate all those people. But only members of those people who are ARROGANT, racist, and see Argentines as inferior scum.
Since that by nature encompases 99% of Brits and Europeans, and Americans, and others, then it seems I hate all of you. But don't blame me, blame your attitudes towards us.
I guess you don't read all the things that are said about me, my country, and culture here.
But you do, you just have no shred of sense of fairness to admit it.
@186 - axel
Sep 28th, 2012 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The right to self determination is 'enshrined' in the UN Charter. It is one of the basic tenants, so it does not have to be specifically spelt out in every UN resolution, because it is always there.
However, every UN resolution regarding the Falklands specifically state that the wishes and rights of the Islanders have to be taken into account during any discussion on sovereignty. In other words giving the islanders a chance to exercise their right to self-determination. Selective reading of these resolutions is all you Argentines seem to do. When a resolutions says that the UK and Argentina should talk, you read it as the UK should hand over the islands to you lock, stock and barrel. When it says that the rights and wishes of the islanders have to be taken into account, you read that the rights and wishes of the islanders don't have to be taken into account.
But all if this is pointless, because it was Argentina who broke all of these resolutions, which absolves Britain of any obligation under the UN to talk to Argentina.
Not only that, but by Argentina blatantly ignoring the wishes and rights of the Islanders, the world sees you for what you really are: a would be aggressive colonial power, who wishes to subjugate people against their will.
But the point is moot. Britain will defend the Falklands until the end of time, if necessary, if that's what the Falklanders want us to do.
What Argentina should concentrate on is building friendly relationships with the Falklands, and who knows, one day they may choose to become a part of Argentina. But threatening, bullying and blatantly lying will get you nowhere.
It's about time you Argentines all woke up to the fact that it isn't 1833, and you can't turn the clock back (otherwise you would have to handover all the land that wasn't part of Argentina in 1833 back to its original owners. In the 21st century, the Falkland Islanders are considered the true and native people of the Falklands.
Get over it.
The british illegal aliens dictate to Argentina why don't Argentine's execute them and hunt them down as USA does to Mexicans at the border,Argentine's should go to Malvins Argentina and hunt down all this british illegal aliens, who is with me?even a british plane can be high jacked and crashed in Malvinas with all the british on board, we will get 2 things for sure. Change CFK for a more like taliban leader maybe someone like bin laden and clear Malvinas Argentina from British illegal aliens if we crash enough british planes. A nuclear deffence program can even the odds for Argentina, we all know UN is a UK trap just like IMF is a US trap, all I know is this two bullies never fight alone and sh!t their pants when confronted by a nuclear armed nation, talk is cheap and only a distraction, actions talk louder then words. We Argentines support a nuclear defence program for our country to end british illegal occupation, don't let Malvinas Argentina turn into another Palestine this is what the british want. And we Argentines want a nuclear deffence program to end the illegal british occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, and because self-determination trumps treaties and claims, so will Antarctica be ours.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome to the 21st century, where lies, and military threat do not change the fact the UK based on this standard won't ever have a millimeter of Antarctica.
@187
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does not have the military might? Mr TTT I think you need to read around a little more, perhaps look at the current UK military inventory.
@191
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't have the military whearwithal for a task force like in 1982, that is even admitted by top UK officials. And public admissions are usually a fraction of the reality... and you are going to have the power to bomb 3 million square kilometers of country for a sustained period of months?
Paper tiger. But you can still easily handle Argentina, since we disbanded our military.
@189, you tards tried that in 1982 and we kicked your heads in.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I, the undersigned, Commander of all the Argentine land, sea and air forces in the Falkland Islands unconditionally surrender to Major General J.J. MOORE CB OBE MC* as representative of Her Britannic Majesty's Government.
Under the terms of this surrender all Argentine personnel in the Falkland Islands are to muster at assembly points which will be nominated by General Moore and hand over their arms, ammunition, and all other weapons and warlike equipment as directed by General Moore or appropriate British officers acting on his behalf.
Following the surrender all personnel of the Argentinian Forces will be treated with honour in accordance with the conditions set out in the Geneva Convention of 1949. They will obey any directions concerning movement and in connection with accommodation.”
- General Mario Menendez
But hey, if you want to come back for round 2 we'll be happy to ruin your shit again.
@192
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0??? Why would we bomb 3 million square km of Argentina? A country like yours has no credible military deterrent and war would simply involve the destruction of all Argentina's military installations by the Submarine Service followed by their capture by Paratrooper and Royal Marine assault. Buenos Aires would be assaulted in a high intensity Paratrooper assault followed by ground assault and Royal Navy bombardment with the capital taken Argentina would quickly fall without a stable government in place. Oh and btw the UK has the manufacturing ability to quickly replace spent ammunition, money would not be an issue as war time needs trump all. Argentina on the other hand is a net importer of munitions. And even if Argentina refused to surrender the UK would simply strip mine as much finance and resources to make up for war costs and then leave. Argentina still would be powerless to retaliate. The RN may be smaller then it was but technologically it is unmatched.
@187 - Tobias
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are showing you ignorance now aren't you?
In 2002 the British bombed Afghanistan from a sub in the middle of the Indian ocean.
In 1982, Vulcan bombers flew from mainland UK and bombed the airstrip at Port Stanley.
An ICBM can circumnavigate the globe, if you wish it to.
Britain has various ways of attacking viable targets in Argentina should you ever be stupid enough to pick a fight with us again. Military bases and ports would make ideal targets.
Argentina on the other hand, couldn't touch the military base on the Falklands without exhausting you entire military.
You talk about people being arrogant. Well Tobias, you are the most arrogant and racist person on this forum. You have an over inflated sense of self-importance which is constantly being undermined by your own inferiority complex.
This makes you angry so you constantly feel defensive and lash out randomly at people. You have even verbally attacked your own people in Argentina, especially the poor.
And every time you post, your true nature shines through and everyone sees you for what you really are: a sad impotent little man, with no friends and a chip on your shoulder the size of the Titanic who is unable to take responsibility for your own failures so you blame and hate everyone else.
Poor Tobias. See a shrink, you'll feel better for it.
Where did I say Argentina would attack the UK militarily?
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK does not have the capability of a sustained attack on mainland Argentina, much less Connor's quaint suggestion it could actually put troops in Buenos Aires. Last time you tried (after trying before), you ignominiously surrendered.
Then you accuse me of delusions of grandeur? Re-read your writings you two.
You live in a world of Warcraft.
Aren't you a shrink LEP.You are very clever you could do it part-time.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'David Cameron: Let's let the Falkland Islanders decide their fate'
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.itv.com/news/2012-09-28/camerons-olive-branch-to-argentina/
@195
Sep 28th, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I've said is the UK is in economic trouble currently, it does not have the military capability you people bay (still could defeat our military), and that the UK and Europeans are racist by nature.
There is nothing controversial about those remarks. They are to you people here because you live in a vacuum bubble. I'm not the one saying Argentina is a worthless country, with worthless people and a worthless culture, economy, music, sports, etc.
All that has been said by YOU (you plural).
You figure out who is full of hatred, racism, and issues.
:)
199... No sweeping statements then, all European people are racist by nature..what utter crap you talk. I bet you wished you had finished school and got yourself a proper job, not trolling for a corrupt political wing.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0199 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it hasn't. I haven't said any of those things. I don't have any opinion about Argentina, apart from when Argentina's actions and words have a direct impact on me.
''the UK and Europeans are racist by nature.'' is a disgracefully racist remark. I think YOU personally are a racist and a bigot. I wouldn't make the mistake of assuming that all Argentines are like you. On the contrary; I think it more than likely that there are plenty of worthwhile people in Argentina.
Unfortunately, your president, yourself and the other Argentines on here are all that we have upon which to base an opinion.
@189
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Man you really are a nasty little man are'nt you. Let me guess, you are a graduate of the naval engineering school, they missed you when they rounded up the rest of Galteries crew. What? fly one way night time chopper missions over the River Plate did you?
Your insane post is the very reason why you in your life time or in the life times of your offspring and their offspring and so on for generations, will never see your flag fly over the Falklands again.
Times may be hard and money scarce here in the UK, you however are the epitomy of the very reason, why every penny invested in defending the islands, is a penny well spent.
Some people wonder why the islanders want nothing to do with the Argentinians, your insane post answers that question loud and clear , very loud and very clear! why would anyone wish to coexist with a nation that counts you and your like amongst its people.
It is a damn shame more people won't get to read your facist Argentine crap!
201... It's the latest troll word to post today, he or she has been bandying it around on other forums, possibly to provoke responses. gnome the uneducated troll.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@199
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if Argentina will ever drop its claim. Or is it so pathetically imbedded into the national psyche that this pathetic and boring claim will drive is made.
Oh and Mr TTT you know little of military matters, the UK does have the ability to attack mainland Argentina and could very easily take the capital, capture your government and force you to surrender. its not chest thumping nationalism its fact. The UK has 100 Tomahawk missiles in service and more in reserve, these are backed up by the RAF's Storm Shadow missiles 1000 in service, more then enough to destroy a single Argie military base in one shot each. But why are we even talking about this? Your country will never dare harm our citizens again, 1982 was a warning to all that the Empire may be gone but the UK would still fight for what it believed in, and always will. Oh and as for the Antarctic, does it really matter? In my opinion no one should own it. It is uninhabitable land. No use to us except for science, study it, protect it and don't bother implanting anyone that way very body is happy.
@186 Axel
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True but the '82 war changed everything.
In the '60's some kind of resolution along the lines you suggested was considered - the UK was shedding its overseas interests as fast as it could. After '82 everything became very polarised plus the Islanders were not particularly well treated during their “liberation” (several clear breaches of the Geneva Convention). It was almost a re-run of the German occupation of the Channel Islands during WWII.
Blair had the “sovereignty umbrella” discussions but there were rejected by Argentina and now, quite rightly, the islanders should be masters of their own destiny.
@176 KelperUnknown
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.........Keep the islands
in your ARSE,
as you know
millons of Argentinians
don't give a damn
about the claim,
remember.....
Argentinians are anti-british,
so
Falkloosers
all of you are:
rubbish bloody english people,
and
don't dare to walk
.... Argentine lands
will blow your head off
if you dare
Stay in your Malditas Islands
No money, no class....
Keep the islands in
your big english ARSE!
# 198 Steve-32-uk
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'David Cameron say : Let's let the Falkland Islanders decide their fate'
Lets compare what UN have to say about it....
“The chair of the UN Decolonisation Committee .............described the UK announcement of a referendum in the Malvinas Islands as a “political ploy”, insisting that the Falkland Islanders can not appeal to the right of self determination they claim, because in the Malvinas case “there is a principle of territorial integrity” from Argentina which is above other considerations and the UK is the “occupying power” since 1833.”
SO....UN recognise the dispute and side with Argentina....because of that made 40 resolutions supporting their position. FACT
What part is difficult to understand ??
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/16/c24-chair-calls-falklands-referendum-political-ploy-praises-argentine-president
@206
Sep 28th, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah Miss Sussie, stoned and drunk again I see? I'm pretty sure no man will ever touch your fat arse, as you're lacking in such class.
#189
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you need help. You are such a hard man ( as you keep telling us ) that you could do he job yourself. Just keep spouting your usual hot air, fill it into a ball0on and float across to the Falklands. Oh, I forgot, you are hiding in the frozen wastes of Canada and abusing their hospitality.
You had better get a bigger ballo0n.
By the way, the Taliban hate all westerners, that also includes S.Americans.
I regret to have to tell you that ebay does not sell nuclear weapons or delivery systems - that's your plan for world domination on the back burner.
#186
After reading your post, I am more confused than ever as to what
Argentina wants.
If the claim for the islands is irrelevant, why have it in your constitution .
You either have sovereignty or you do not - anything else is a fudge.
You accuse us of believing our “propaganda”and at the same time, yours is the shining truth.
Could you put it in plain language what your solution to the problem is.
Please don't say TALKS !!!
C24 is not the UN. C24 is one, just one of the hundreds of the committees within the UN. Its resolutions are (and here we go again for the umpteenth millionth time) Non Binding.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So no, the UN did not side with Argentina, one of their committees did and a committee with no power at that!
There is nothing difficult to understand, not by me anyway.
@204
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Antarctic should not matter to you, because you have nothing there to do.
It is ours, it is populated by Argentines, first settled by Argentines, first indigenous people born there were Argentines. That is all the rights needed under the UN self-determination clause.
De facto the Antarctic is ours anyway (at least the Antarctic peninsula).
@201
And the Brits and European are all that I have to base for opinion.
That and that little inconvinience called history of European colonialism.
#210 needed of reality check
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C-24 is not UN ? i need to trust in your english word ?
funny :)
What´s the main purpose of UNITED NATIONS C-24 COMITEE ??
“.The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation...”
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/specialcommittee.shtml
AND WHERE THEIR RESOUTIONS AND RECOMENDATIONS APPLY ??
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/specialcommittee.shtml
so yes....c-24 is the main body from UN that can address and fix this madness made only by UK in 1833.
#211
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you intend to keep it against the rest of the avaricious world ?
@ pirate-hunter (execute with what!!) and TTT etc. Not a lot would be needed to protect the people of the Falklands if we had to from agression. One of the new subs would track any of what is left of your navy before turning the corner at Rio de Janeiro 3000+ miles away. Anything stupid enough to endanger the lives of the Falklanders would receive a couple of RGM/UGM-109E Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles. Designed to make anyone in to Asado :)
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all about great quality..... where's yours my little South American friend????
197
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0199
207
It is you that is full of hatred not us,
You go on and on and on like a washing machine,
And yet time and time again all we get from CFK and you lot, is abuse threats intimidation and hatred,
Yet all you get from the British government, is olive branches, friendship ,
And still more offers of peace and friendship,
For it is you, that hates not us,
Soon you will be out of power,
Out of favour,
Out of friends,
And out together in a bar, the 3 of you with CFK,
Drinking and going on about [what could have been]
Just the 4 of you,
Whilst the rest or Argentina gets on with their own lives,
Still,
Old coffee , new coffee, all the same coffee.
.
The SECURITY COUNCIL is the UN.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A MINOR COMMITTEE, set up to look into decolonisation does not constitute MAIN BODY of the UN.
It constitutes what it is, A MINOR COMMITTEE, a MINOR BODY of the UN.
You don't think so, then take a good hard long look at what is happening to SYRIA.
No SECURITY COUNCIL Resolutions, No UN action.
Simples!!!!!!!
@213
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing to defend from. We have all the evidence on our side in terms of human population there, longest uninterrupted presence, first permanent settlement, first families, first born indigenous, etc, etc.
In the 21st century, you can't just take with military power, your countries have grown up out of that. This is what I am repeatedly told by dozens of people here.
RIGHT????????????????
@202 reality
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Pirate-Hunter” @189 is actually a kid living in Canada.
His real name is Alex Vargas.
Claims to be Argentinian -sometimes he says he is Amerindian.
He has lived near Toronto, Canada all his life or most of it, and we are sure he still lives with his parents.
He has NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY, of any country.
Therefore, his juvenile rants about Nukes.
Usually he includes wild accusations of racial abuses by UK, US, and Canada, while raving that he himself is a racist.
LOL
example:
@189 “The british illegal aliens dictate to Argentina why don't Argentine's execute them and hunt them down as USA does to Mexicans at the border,”
The reality is less dramatic:
Mexican illegals running the borders get picked up by the US, fingerprinted, given a free lunch and bussed home in comfort.
Best to ignore this boludo.
He is very angry and responds with more of the same nonsense.
No point responding to him, nobody else does.
:-D
@212 - so_far
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonisation committee was set up to decolonize, not to hand a colony from one colonial power to another.
There are 3 ways to be removed from the decolonisation list.
1. Full independence (that means the Falklands are not Argentine).
2. To become fully absorbed into the colonising country (for example become a full part of the UK) or a part of another country.
3. To become an Overseas Territory of the colonising country.
Now none of these choices can be forced upon the population. They have to be in agreement. In other words, they have te right to determine their own future.
Next year the Falkland Islanders will hold a referendum which will tell the UN what they want. Then the Falklands will have achieved one of the 3 possible scenarios in order to be removed from that list.
Once removed, they can never be put back on it. If the C24 refuse to remove the islands after they have achieved one of the desired outcomes, the UK will petition the UNGA to disband the committee for not following it's own rules.
Either way, the Falkland Islanders win. Not only that, they will also petitiion the UNGA that as a self-governing BOT that the offensive word 'malvinas' be removed from all official documentation, and only the rightful name Falklands be used. For example in Spanish: Islas Falklands.
Perhaps instead of trying to bully, coerce and terrorise the people of the Falklands, Argentina should've tried to make friends. You should have realised that the UN would never undermine its founding principles, especially over a mythical event that happened (or rather didn't happen) in 1833, a full 20 years before the Republic of Argentina even existed.
People in other countries can count, you know. They can also read. They can also look at the evidence and see who is telling the truth and who is lying.
Britain has proof that the so-called expulsion of 1833 is a lie.
Argentina just keeps on lying, and cannot produce any proof.
@215
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is no one saw Cameron's “olive branch” (a threat against Argentina).
I found out about it just a couple hours ago, only because I'm here. There is absolutely nothing in the Argentine press about Cameron, in fact I didn't even know he was in Brazil. And neither does 99% of the population since it's not news.
Or you actually thought the news channels here follow anything that happens in the UK? You would be sadly erroneous. Since the Olympics ended, haven't heard one mention of the UK or London in the news.
@219
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great post, keep them coming.
@220 that's a shame, all the great action is happening right here in Blighty
Sep 28th, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's Blighty?
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0220
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I belive you,
Thus perhaps you may consider that your leaders are keeping lots of other things from you,
Every time CFK makes a rant,
On British television, the governments always get asked for a response,
And the response is the same,
Even in parliament,
We the British people hold out the olive branch to Argentina, we just wish to be friends,
What's Blighty?
Britain…
.
@224
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is a country dependent on other countries, just like other countries are dependent on other countries. That is why in your countries news from mainland Europe, China, USA, is important, and viceversa to them.
I also see it in Chilean, Uruguayan, and Brazilian television. much more coverage of international news.
Since Argentina is not in need of much from the rest of the world, and the rest of the world doesn't really have anything to offer us, then all you see in our news is stories of passion, crime, the latest sports, and occasionaly an interview with an actor.
We just have no need to know what is going on elsewhere, it affects us in the least.
Heck even WWII didn't affect us whatsoever, the only country on Earth completely untouched by it (even Australia was attacked and Brazil had to send thousands of troops).
And if that didn't even bleep on our screen, nothing ever will. We are very removed.
intresting..
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0225... It's certainly seems to work, the Argentine dream jajajaja
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0225 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you should set up a link to North Korea. Then at least you would be able to see what you're aspiring to.
@225 Tobias First I'll comment on your mention of learning 4 languages. It's pretty impressive, but I will be trumping that soon as I'll be learning Italian, Spanish, my ancestral tongue which is Gaelic, and Afrikaan. Also, you claim to have a higher IQ than everybody else who has posted on this site today. Again, this will be trumped as there are certainly more intelligent beings on here than you, for example LEPRecon( even though I disagree with him on the most important upcoming issue which is the possible, and probable, breakup of the UK). An intelligent being wouldn't say that they hate 99% of Europeans or any other races that don't originate from their homeland. An intelligent being would also know that the UK still, to this day, has the best trained and skilled army in the whole world. This view is shared by millions across the world. 1,000 of our SAS could decimate 1,000,000 Chinese or Russian soldiers as we are superior in terms of skill and professionalism. I'm not trying to brag, but simply making a point that we are still one of the major global powers that has more respect amongst the international community than your country does, because of your government's absurd stance on focusing on the Falklands, breaking international law and largely ignoring their own economy. This means that it is your civilians that are being punished because of these factors, which is a shame as most of them are probably decent and hardworking people.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't understand why you say that 99% of Europeans basically view Argentina as scum, because that is false. We view CFK and HT as antagonisers by constantly trying to terrorize the FI and UK, to try make them give into their demands. Most of us are open-minded people, who embrace cultures from all across the world, and that is what the UK's society has largely been about for over 100 years.
Just remember Tobias, that's why wars start- because of a lack of understanding with cultures. Try and be nice please.
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Sep 28th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting post there. But isnt Argeinta now trying to reach out to the rest of the world and claiming the Falklands is a “global issue”? If you want global support should Argentina be trying to join the global stage with more intent?
230 mein Luftkissenfahrtzeug ist voller Aale ;-)
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@THEMan (#)
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 01000 SAS against 1000000 russians, i think thats a bit too much! Also the MOD has sold training knowlege to other countries and also equipment, the worlds armies are slowing coming into the same league. Argentinas special forces were trained by the SAS and are highly respected. In the war they also had a very good air force, it was thanks to the yanks that we had the latest sidewinder on our planes. But a war now would be vastly different, despite cuts etc the Royal Nazy is very powerful and has some very advanced stuff, the UK could attack Argetinas mainland with criuse missles whist being out of reach to Argentina. Also the UK could invoke NATO, “an attack on one member is an attack on us all” and other countried would have to send military equipment
@231
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously I'm made it clear I do not agree with Argentina pursuing the Falklands, both for our isolationism and for our future administration of Antarctica.
@232
I don't think that is particularly German. Seems like a British thing to me.
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry troll but i havent had time to read all the posts, nice to have an Argentines view! I myself think that they should be left like the Jamaicans, yes they are a relic of colonialism but I think they have earnt their right to do what they want with their future. Ok they werent forced into slavery, but the Islands are cold wet and windy a harsh existance and doubt very much many Argentines would want to live there anyway I would not live there, looks grim to me
Was wollen Sie dass ich sage? Ich stimme mit Ihnen nicht überein. Ob England die Beste Armee in der Welt oder nicht hat, ist mir gleichgültig. Was wichtig ist, ist die aktuelle Lage. Ich wiederhole zu Ihnen: Die Stärke der Britische Armee ist mir vollkommen übertrieben. Verstehen Sie? Keiner werde Ihnen glauben, was Sie hier geschrieben haben, vor allem dieser Dinge mit dem 1000 Soldaten SAS gegen eine Million Russen.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'est tout. Or, j'ai un service à vous demander... Les mensonges, ça ne me plaisent pas du tout. Vous savez bien que le racisme en Europe c'est épouvantable aujourd'hui. Ceci a toujours été comme ça. Quel continent a vu naître le supremacisme blanc? L'Asie? L'Afrique? Cela n'est pas un mystère: c'est l'Europe et tout le monde est d'accord. Alors, laissez tomber cette discussion, je ne vous croie rien.
Então, eu recomendo a vocês europeus não procurarem discutir comigo, e a você senhor fazer um esforço para estudar a suas línguas. O dia que você possa falar com uma pessoa como mim em 4 ou 5 delas, eu farei reconhecimento do seu excelente trabalho. Só lhe digo que procure não adiar as coisas difíceis para mais tarde. Sera muito melhor para você confrontá-las rapidamente.
Fue muy lindo hablar con usted, a pesar de ser un típico Europeo arrogante. El día que ustedes en el viejo mundo dejen de ser tan narcisistas y faltos de conciencia y humildad, las cosas van a cambiar entre Argentina y ustedes. Pero mientras tanto, habrá que seguir con nuestra posición de resistencia a todo lo europeo, nortamericano y demás, para dejar en claro que no son la ultima gaseosa en el desierto.
Have a wonderful evening. Oh and by the way, Mercopress removed my original posting, so I took advantage and corrected a couple of minor mistakes in all the languages (yes I even had a minor error in my Spanish paragraph). This is how I know my opposition well: I have studied them, heard them, read them, even learned their mother tongues. An invaluable weapon to wield in disposal.
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done, my skills are a different kind, computer stuff. You consider the all these your “opposition”. Do you hate the English?
@237
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the arrogant English, same with the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, etc.
Problem is, everyone in European is arrogant. Thus the confusion you all have that I hate you all. No I don't, just the haughty and supercilious ones.
Can't help the fact there isn't a humble European.
@230 Tobias nice use of translate, anyway...
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that most do agree with me, as we have proven time and time again that we are capable of this.
You call me arrogant. Well you have shown your arrogance too in your post by again thinking that by 'knowing' 4 languages makes you intelligent. It doesn't.
Next, I want to say that Argentina isn't a political force in the globe, that has substantial influence on nations that aren't on the same continent as them, unlike the EU, UK etc. You love to be critical of the UK to deflect attention from the mess that your own country is in. 25% inflation, the government tarnishing your country's already broken image amongst the international community, and the failure of your governments policies to try and gain support for a bullshit story of which, history doesn't back up. Your country is just as bad as every other country out there, including ours, so don't go on a rant on how superior you and your country are compared to the rest of us. We've contributed more to the world, both positive and negative, than Argentina, so we have a higher standing politically and business-wise than you do. So don't give all that crap, cos if the Argentinians or SA want to play that game, we could trump you a thousand times over and pretty much embarrass you.
And I would like to add that you could have Antarctica all you want, because we all know that you won't have it for long since it's gradually decreasing in mass by the day, until it's gone. Just for you... Je suis un expert aussi, depuis que je suis à parler français depuis que j'ai huit ans. Peut-être que vous devriez essayer une autre façon de montrer votre arrogance. Juste une dernière chose. Il est des gens comme vous qui font que votre regard pays comme un lieu plein d'êtres vils qui ne peuvent pas être décrits comme des gens normaux, et nous font sentir comme ça vers votre pays. Donc, c'est votre faute si les gens vous détestent. T'es un connard pour eux. Bye to you too.
219# LEP.Have you been reading something.A comic or captain Marvel.What a load of drivel.How about giving one or two references as to what prompt your scenario.Dont refer to any of the international law specialist,lord ton,as a source of fact.It won't do.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Connard? Tu as blessé mon coeur.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does the UK have influence in Argentina? Nothing. You are an influential country I have never denied that however. But you don't matter in Argentina, but then again most countries here don't matter or affect us.
“And I would like to add that you could have Antarctica all you want, because we all know that you won't have it for long since it's gradually decreasing in mass by the day, until it's gone.”
Can't wait... till its gone.
Chuckle!
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough, im a bit shocked though I thought us europeans were better thought of. Well i suppose it is build in the psyche from a young age and wont change any time soon. But when i look at the facts, what exactly has an Afiricans Asian, native American Indian done for the better of human kind? Where are their Nikola Teslas, Einsteins,Von Brauns, Edisons, Fleming the list is endless thanks to the development of education. South Americans are largly from Europe, but as the saying goes, “you snooze you lose” Argetina should be pushing its way on the world stage and challenging its limits and not sleeping like it is doing now, look at India, they havent sloved their poverty issues but they are becoming powerful thanks to skills they didnt have before and who draqgged them into the new world? The UK !
@242
Sep 28th, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was a time us Argentines admired Europe. We've grown up now.
South Americans are mostly not from Europe, that I can guarantee you.
Argentina already had its time in the wold stage in 1880 through 1960. We were already the world's 5th largest economy, the 6th most traded currency, the most immigrated nation on Earth, had the world's largest gold reserves, the 3rd largest trading balance (for a while you Brits had more trade with us than with India), the already won many expansionist wars and acquired territories.
We don't need to prove anything to anyone. All countries rise, fall.
@234 very German and yet very British
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are you from then mate? Yes Argentina had a good run, do you know who built your railways to help you do this? from Wiki:
The building of the network began in 1855 at first with Argentine finance. Major development of the Argentine rail network occurred between 1870 and 1914, primarily financed by the British Empire
The UK were the first to agree that Argentina were a country in their own right, in the face of Spain. The UK helped you and you repay them by trying a land grab and making every trouble you can on the international stage? I find it a little unfair.
@245
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Helped us? You partly financed the railways because it made you money. More railways through the Pampa, more cheap nutritious beef and wheat for you. There was no “goodness of the heart” there, strictly business.
And our independence solely served your purposes against Spain. Ditto above “no goodeness”.
UK has never been friendly to Argentina.
For all those reasons, we owe you nothing.
(sorry just the facts)
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you were going to reply something like that. The real world is business, why is your president having a meeting with big US oil companies this week, they are all friends right?
The UK didnt have to invest in you, India was by far more important at that time for reasons similar to what you have stated.
To invest you need to trust the partner and the deal is good for both, as was the case. back then Thats is when Argentina could be trusted, look at you now, nobody trusts you with money or deals. You dont like like most Europeans, but we stick to our word!
@248
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And see I'm two steps ahead of all of you.
Of course the real world is business, so you still say we should be thankful to you?
That's not what certain cultures say about such arrangements. They say that if something is for money, it is not done for friendship and nothing is owed. For example, when you face an existential threat in a total war that could wipe you out, or starve you, and some country provides foodstuffs for both your army and population. If I suggest to that country they should be thankful to us for providing for them, they have responded to me “oh, but we payed you for that stuff, so we owe you nothing”.
The country that needed the food to survive was of course, yours, in WWII.
The country that provided was of course, us.
We did the same for France, and Germany, and the same for Italy and Spain post-war to avert famine in your continent.
You see, I'm cleverly turning all your arguments against you... I've done this multiple times today. Just scroll above. Like when Clyde asked me how would Argentina defend militarily Antaractica? All I hear from the Brits and Europeans and Amerricans is “this is the 21st century, there is no colonialism and Argentina should drop the Falklands”.
So I smartly posited, why would anyone take Antarctica from us since argentines have lived there, been there sinc 1904 longer than anyone, and even have been born there?
Of course I got no reply.
You people can't deny I'm a clever debater. But I'm not that clever. I just have a philosophical center that I apply to my country and yours.
You all on the other apply one standard fo you and another for us. So its really easy to turn all you arguments upside down.
:)
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cool, interesting view again! But im of the opinion that no single coutry has any rights to the south pole, including the UK, Argentina and shockingly the USA apparantly “reserves the right” to take a piece of the pie. Thats right the soutb pole is virtually already cut up like a pie! The south pole belongs to the world and not Argentina, UK or the USA! Any action there should be put to the world and not us lot! Also you are incorrect about the features of the south pole, if the ice melts there is a rather sizable expanse of land that it is attached to. Besides it is isnt the land so much it whats under the sea bed, supposidly massive traps for oil! Also as far as im aware the UK was reliant on the USA for food suppplies short term, this supply line was stressed by the German wolf pack. Also you should remember that it was Argetina who gave safe passage to Nazis murders after the war had ended. You claim that you dont need the rest of the world, but doesnt the rest of the world really need you?
@249
Sep 28th, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You also seem to have missed the flying UFI that unkempt TheMan's top strands. You hair is messed up.
I was making fun of TheMan's comments of Antarctica melting. If it does, then that would be a slight problem for the UK, but mostly more land or us.
Antarctica is Argentine. No doubt about that based on self-determination and rights of settlement. When I say Antarctica I mean the peninsula. You can have the South Pole for all I care.
Argentina was immigrated to by 300,000 Jews. Was your country as accomodating?
http://www.kveller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/kosher-mcdonalds-1024x768.jpg
Again, don't you see what you are doing? I'm asking you because you actually seem sensible. What you are doing is always highlighting the dark side of Argentina and never the good.
That is what everyone here does, and that is why I'm here, the Truth Telling Troll.
206 2012 (#)
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the real world if you could act as well as you brag you would be a film star.
Clearly you are one of those extremely brainwashed people that think everyone else should be like you.
Truth always hurts. Your so called wonder women made a right dogs ear of her UN trip and lost any high ground she thought she had. Must feel terrible for you to have your excuse for a leader snubbed in front of so many.
Just like her you are deluded and judging by your comments never really had a chance to learn anything of any value. Mind you saddly that is how your previous trolls worked by brainwashing their children. Thankfully not all of them turned out like you as the recent demonstration in BA showed. Over half the population are sick of this idiot you idolise which hurts you even more.
Anyway cry and shout or spit out your dummy if you want . Reality is we are here on these beautiful British Islands and your stuck over there with your wacky CFK reckon we Islanders have ended up with the better deal don't you just hate that .
Try as you might shout as hard as you want but you won't unrest us we are better than that but do like to see your irrational writing. I am sure most are wetting their pants with lafter at such an idiot that you obviously are.
Makes my day even better when I actually write something that gets to people like you. Almost like fishing you just have to use the right bait and wham you get one every time.
Happy grumbling 206 2012 (#)
Tonight I am going to enjoy a very relaxed evening with my family spending some quality time. and a bit of our surpluss cash we often have laying around.
@248Tobias Actually most Argentinians are white, so they're most likely European or other regions with whites.
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can answer the question you posted above. It's because no-one would want to waste money fighting over something that's not worth it. Simple as. Anyway Argentina has their own slice of it, and other countries have theirs, although some claims overlap others, which needs to be sorted out.
As for your remarks about being a good debater, well... you only really mention the same few points;
Antarctica
Arrogance
Invasions
Intelligence
So far, from what I've seen, you are limited to what you can actually debate about. I, or someone else, could easily bring up another topic, and be better than you at debating their side of it.
Most of the arguments that the English posters(not me since I'm from somewhere else) are sound, and make sense. On the other hand, you've got Argies who love to pull out the same straws like;
“The right of self-determination doesn't apply to the FI”- well it does, since it's enshrined into the basic rights that the UN fights to provide for all people.
“The British are a bunch of lying, war-mongering thieves”- no we're not. The government takes us into wars that we don't necessarily agree to, but we will fight if we have to as we need to beat the enemy.
“All British people are scum”- I don't agree with this, as we have some of the nicest people that are on this planet. We just unfortunately have ignorant people like the BNP who don't like multiculturalism.
“Britain is in social and economic decline because of the 2011 riots and recession”- false because the riots lasted for a day, and a select few were involved.
Anyway, you mentioned that Argentina was once had the 5th largest economy. I read a little into this, and I find it cool how an SA country was so big, but shocked at the same time as to how your politicians got it so wrong, and your economy destabilised quite badly. 1910 Argentina lookes really cool as well, similar to London
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The country that provided was of course, us.”
You did all that for free of course? No you didnt you saw an oportunity to make money and did so! Turned around right back to you sir. Although i didnt want a fight with you i intended to learn from your views and have a good discussion, lets not sink to stupid behaviour please mate?
Hey dude, i know that in 1986 the “hand of god” goal thing, it didnt change the result anyway, I remember watching as an 8 year and being mesmerised(and heart broken when England went out) by Mr.Maradona's goal, you know when he smoked the enire field and scored! There was no doubt then and there is no doubt now Argentina and Maradona were the best! I have been watching some Messi videos and youtube and I hink he has gone beyond Maradona, his touch is like what you would expect from a god or something, lobbing the keeper and making them look silly, what a skill! Argentina, please get rid of your silly president and challenge the world once again!
@252
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad you say that. But the point is that Argentines have been always the first (except for the exploring part), to be involved in that continent, that is a powerful self-determination legal recourse.
“So far, from what I've seen, you are limited to what you can actually debate about”
And this is, somehow, bad? Quite the contrary as you may expect, it means I know my limitations. But then again, those are the topics discussed here, so what need do I have to bring up other issues? Would you like to discuss the nature of black holes with me? Do you believe in the singularity or do you believe as I do, that if a singularity exists by nature Black holes must produce a Big Bang in a new region of space-time?
I'm up for it, I'm all ears.
ps- It was you Europeans and Americans who sabotaged our economy, full of jealousy of our success. But that is in the past now, and you are all coming down fast as well.
@253
You can't turn around what was already turned around. You brought the matter up, you said we should be thankful for the railways and independence (which you did for mere self-interest), so I merely retorted that then you should be grateful to us. And now, the USA was not your biggest food supplier.. and Churchill knew this which is why he had to fight with the Americans who wanted to attack Argentina (actually in an alliance with Brazil), because we had bruised their little egos by not joining the war when Pearl Harbor ocurred, like they demanded all of Latin America to do (and mostly they followed). Because we stood our ground, being the only powerful country in LatAmerica at the time, they got upset the poor losers. So anyway, he knew Britain needed us so he kept the Americans from acting, well, like Americans (like barbarians).
Anyway, I don't follow Messi much because I don't watch European football. I only watch the Argentine league, I've not seen much of his career. Messi must be the only player who is loved more outside of his coutry than in.
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now your cooking, i do love some space-time theory! I think the membrane theory has some weight and there could therefore be multiverses, that we cant see, here or touch, but none the less they are still there!
@255
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's possible, but membrane theory says there are how many dimensions? 11? Can't remember, they aren't really other universes, but dimensions within our own space-time. What it states if I remember correctly is that when to “branes” touch, a massive energy is released, producing a new Big Bang. But are those membranes eternal or are they universes as well?
correct sir, indeed! Let us please stop about a tiny group of islands and a tiny group of people and remember the braves from both sides in a needless war! Just for 5 minutes if you please!
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@257
Sep 28th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thing is, and everyone here even though they hate my guts can't deny, I don't want the Falklands. I don't want to bug those people. I also don't feel the need to have any trade with them. But leave em alone.
@Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chill out mate, the world grows stronger with team worrk, simple as that, please join us mate, to Mars and beyound!
I don't think so.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have fun in Phobos, or Deimos.
@255 & 256
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest that you read 'A brief history of time' by Stephen Hawking. He holds the Isaac Newton chair as Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge (the one in the UK).
His book, if you can follow it, will sort out your misinterpretations of multi-universes but there is not time and space (get-it?) to educate you on MercoPress. :o)
@261
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0If there is no space and time, what does he replace it with? I've never heard he held this view.
I hope you don't tell me he is in the “universe is a hologram” camp.
@259 TIT
Sep 29th, 2012 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Thing is, and everyone here even though they hate my guts can't deny, I don't want the Falklands. I don't want to bug those people. I also don't feel the need to have any trade with them. But leave em alone.”
So, why are you on here, then?
All interesting information about Argentina and the Kirchner dictatorship, these links can only be accessed from the USA though, the Argentine government as part of their censorship program of the internet have blocked these sites!
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@ 4 Islas Malvinas
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“No civilian population was expelled prior to their ancestors settling on the Islands. / Falklands Islands has been peacefully settled”
For once you got it right after having been presented with original and official Argentine sources, which said exactly that.
If you think otherwise, show us your sources and explain why we can't trust the original and official Argentine document from the Pinedo trial in 1833.
#178 - Crap_Talking_Troll - Argentina did not exists in 1806. Do try and learn some history !
Sep 29th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0#182 - people have been betting on our demise for 500 years or more - without much success.
#211 - Crap_Talking_Troll - all claims to Antarctica are 'frozen' - you attempts to populate any territory there is therefore illegal and will not count for anything should that Treaty unravel. If/when it does Argentina willbe lucky to limp out in one piece. Even the Yanks have their eyes on a chunk.
#238 - allegations of arrogance - from an Argie - too funny :-) LOL
As for hatred - do you really think your neighbours like your country Crap_Talking_Troll ?? Self-delusion is a wonder thing I suppose - keeps you well away from reality,
@ChrisR (#)
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont insult me fool, I have the book and have read it! The main point to it is that the theory of relativity breaks down the closer you get to the big bang and what steve thinks is the singularity. But membrane theory could actually explain to a point where the big bang came from. I gather from your comment that you havent read this book
“We did the same for France, and Germany, and the same for Italy and Spain post-war to avert famine in your continent. ”
Sep 29th, 2012 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be an act of compassion and generosity if you had done it for free.
You did it for money.
I believe the term is “war profiteering” and is a criminal offence in many civilised countries.
Once again, I am not sure why you seek to trumpet certain actions as “triumphs” when in reality they often smack of nothing other than self-interest.
Perhaps I should change my name to “pulling the truth from the troll”?
250 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sep 29th, 2012 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''What you are doing is always highlighting the dark side of Argentina and never the good.
That is what everyone here does, and that is why I'm here, the Truth Telling Troll.''
I hate to break bad news, but you don't show the good side of Argentina. Your posts come across as vain, narcissistic, intolerant and racist. You have a massive inferiority complex which distorts your thinking and actually makes you into a rather poor debater. I don't hate your guts, but I wish you'd get out more, for your own sake.
I hate to break bad news, but you don't show the good side of Argentina. Your posts come across as vain, narcissistic, intolerant and racist. You have a massive inferiority complex which distorts your thinking and actually makes you into a rather poor debater. I don't hate your guts, but I wish you'd get out more, for your own sake.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whew couldn't have said it better! I thought I was the only one who saw it!
#236
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most impressed with your language skills.
To paraphrase Otto von Bismarck - “You have all the skills to make you a good head waiter”
#243
“South Americans are mostly not from Europe ” I could not argue demographics on this point.
270# yankeeboy
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whew couldn't have said it better! I thought I was the only one who saw it!
Don't you simple mean
You thought you were the only one.
236
Sep 29th, 2012 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can better that, using what’s between ya ears,
We can speak 199 different languages,
But only one can be understood by the masses,
ENGLISH,
Does exactly what it says on the tin..???
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LEPRECON. CLYDE15. STEVEU.
Sep 29th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LEPRECON. If it soposes that only the right to self dtermination is what matters, then why this cause has always been considered like a special colonial situation?, why there is not any resolution in the website of the u. n. which invokes self dtermination for the population from the islands, like it exists for others colonial situations?. Anyway, i don't deny that perhaps that principle is applicable for them, but for being honest, i have serious doubts about it, due to all the resons i explained in this comment and in many others. On the other hand, c. f. k was very clear respecting what argentina asks the u. k., however, if you prefer to believe anything else, thats' your problem.
Beside, when you refer to the lands that weren't argentine 200 years ago, you should know that despite the genocide that the argentine state made to the originary populations from the patagonia, when it started to occupy that territory. The rights of the indigenous populations are included in our constitution, in fact, article 17th of chapter fourth, signalizes as a duty of the congress, to signalize the preexistence of the indigenous populations, to protect their lands, to regulate the giving of lands, and give legal protection to all their lands. Anyway, there is a lot to do for them, but unless our state made a historic reparation for those people, however the u. k has never made any, for having deprived arg. in 1833.
STEVEU: Despite the war of 1982, the u. n has always continued calling the two parts of the conflict to resume the negotiations, and find a peaceful solution, however the u. k doesn't respect it.
CLYDE: The fact that our claim is included in our constitution, doesn't mean that both parts can't find a fair solution for this conflict. When c. f. k. manifested our claim before the u. n., she read a ducument from our chancery of 1974, where both gov. proposed to share the sovereignty of the islands, maybe that would be a very good idea.
@ 274 axel arg
Sep 30th, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The rights of the indigenous populations are included in our constitution, in fact, article 17th of chapter fourth, signalizes as a duty of the congress, to signalize the preexistence of the indigenous populations, to protect their lands, ...”
Whatever your constitution may say:
United Nations Special Rapporteur on Indigenous Peoples, James Anaya called on Argentina to cease the eviction of indigenous communities from their lands, during the presentation of the annual report of his office before the UN Human Rights council in Geneva.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/09/19/un-calls-on-argentina-to-stop-eviction-of-indigenous-peoples-from-their-lands
Axel - show me the website at the UN that talks about the right of self-determination for the Caymen Islanders.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then show me where it says that the Falklanders do not have the right, enshrined for all, in the UN Charter. That's ALL - in case you missed it :-)
@274 - Axel
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Show me where the UN states that the Falklands are a 'special' colonial situation?
Show me where the UN states that the people of the Falklands do NOT have the same right to self determination as the other 7 billion people on the planet?
You can't because the UN has never stated this ever. Even all Thomas UNGA resolutions you are fond of spouting ALL state that the wishes of the islanders have to be considered in any sovereignty talks.
Now since the UK listens to the islanders and take on board their wishes, then the UK IS complying withh all the UNGA resolutions, because the islanders don't want to be a part of your country.
Next year, it will be over for Argentina regarding the Falklands, as the UN will accept the result of the referendum. I know that Argentina won't, but the UN will.
Then the wishes of the islanders will be known officially by every international body, and their right to self determination accepted.
The Falklands will then be removed from the decolonisation list because they will have achieved one of the desired outcomes as set out by the UN.
Argentina will just have to learn to live with the fact that you can't have everything that you want, and you especially can't steal someone else's land.
But you have your governments to thank for that, don't you? They have acted in a deplorable way to the islanders, and the world could see it.
Instead of trying to build friendship and trust with the islanders, proving that all Argentines aren't like the military junta of the 80's, you continued to treat them like an enemy, sub-human even, refusing to recognise their rights as human beings.
That has been noted by the international community too.
One day, the Falkland Islanders may choose to become an independent country in their own right.
On that day will Argentina welcome them into the world as the newest nation on earth and build friendly relationships with them, or will you try to invade and subjugate them?
@LEPRecon and Lord Tom
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're wasting your time talking to axel - he'll just go round and round in circles with his “we should share the isalnds and both sides are wrong” line.
He can't and won't provide any real justifiaction for Argentina's claims.
axel
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0man walks into wall,
broke his nose,
man walks into wall,
breaks his nose,
again man walks into wall,
again breaks his not,
the point is,
he never learns. ?
#274
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the answer is shared sovereignty. Fine, get your government to contact the Falkland islanders and propose this. If they accept this, then I am sure that the UK government would agree.
@274
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyway, there is a lot to do for them, but unless our state made a historic reparation for those people, however the u. k has never made any, for having deprived arg. in 1833.”
Argentina did not exist in 1833, so how can it have been deprived?
Britain protested about the military presence of the Buenos Aires Government military on the Falklands in 1832 which I would like to remind you murdered its own commander and raped his wife in front of their children. However there was no British objection to Vernet's civilian settlers as he had gained permission from the British to be there) because it had a prior claim to the islands which it had not dropped.
Again you repeat that Britain ejected the militia of the Buenos Aires government, but not a single one of them was fired upon-they were asked to leave and there was no bloodshed pricipally as the sailors manning the ship were guess what?
Yes, 80% British mercenaries who refused to fight their own people.
Again I repeat that the militia was not legitamately on the Isalnds as its presence was protested by the British government who had claimed the islands since 1690, and first settled the islands in 1765.
Perhaps you could quote some evidence please that the Buenos Aires Government /United Provinces of the River Plate settled the Falkland Islands before 1765?
Or landed before 1690?
You cannot speak to greed,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Full stop.
If by a miracle they had joint sovereignty,
Within hours after claiming victory, they would demand full sovereignty
Stating, by giving them half, you are admitting that you really do belong,
No no no.
That’s the only answer.
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276#and277# International lawyer and The genius.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you want people to show you things.One of you would only refer to their own website of non-independant facts(propaganda if others do it,he would claim).The other would post a chapter of irrelevant claims the would cover everything he wants to say.
Spend some time checking out what the history of the de-colonisation committee is.Why it was established and what places are covered by it.And while you are doing that,you might consider the difference between the land and the people.And then you might stop expecting Argentina to do things you want it to do that it clearly cannot and will not do.
Try to remember that the UK,your country,has its place in the world and its not the same as it was.
Keep busy.
283 Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We know why the decolonisation committee was established, and it wasn't to hand over territories from one colonising power to another.
The decolonisation committee is a complete waste of time. Most of the territories on it don't want to be decolonised.
Try to remember that your country, Argentina, has its place in the world and its not the same as it was. You are now chiefly known for wanting to subjugate a tiny population that doesn't want you, for bullying your neighbours into pretending to support you, for mismanaging your economy, and for forging alliances with states such as Iran and Venezuela.
Dear FCO friends:
Sep 30th, 2012 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you keep repeating this appeaser's double talk rhetoric:?
“No Falklands sovereignty negotiations unless and until the Islanders so wish.”
Is it not crystal clear that no bona fide Falkland Islander shall ever wish to “negotiate” collective suicide?
Honni soit qui mal y pense,
Philippe
Monty
Sep 30th, 2012 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True to your British tradition,the committee doesn't do what you want it to,so it's a waste of time.This committee looks out for the other 'countries' but,to you that's a waste of time.
Likewise Monty ,Argentina is involved in many things beside trying to rid South America of occupation by a European nation.You display British self-indulgence.
@Yuleno (#)
Sep 30th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Try to remember that the UK,your country,has its place in the world and its not the same as it was.”
very true there, the empire was given back to the people and reason why the UK isnt giving Argentina the islands is clear! You dont have any rights to them, Argentina also signed an agreement in 1840 saying they had not issues with the UK.
@286 - Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonisation committee was set up to decolonise. There are 3 way a territory on the list can be taken off the list.
1. Become fully integrated with the colonising country, or another country.
2. Become self-governing, but still under the protection of the colonising country or another country.
3. Become fully independent in their own right.
However, the charter for decolonisation states that the wishes of the people of that colony should be paramount when making a decision. In other words they have the right to determine their own future.
Next year the Falkland Islanders will vote under UN supervision, and in all likelihood will choose option 2, which is where they are now. In other words maintain the status quo, but with an option to holding a referendum in the future to become completely independent.
That means they well have fulfilled one of the possible requirement as laid down in the charter of the decolonisation committee, and will have to be removed.
If the decolonisation committee refuses to follow its own charter and remove the Falklands from the list, then the UNGA can disband it.
Either way it's a win-win for the Falklands, and Argentina will just have to accept that you can't spend your whole lives living in a brief 3 month period in 1832/1833. The world has moved on, it's been 180 years, and the population of the Falklands have developed their own culture seperate from the UK and South America in that time. The only position the UN can take is siding with the Islanders, as stated in its own charter.
By the way Yuleno, how can Argentina claim the Falklands in 1833 when your country wasn't formed until 1853?
Envious, hypercrit and jealousy.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never learn, never change,
[ Trying to rid South America of occupation by a European nation ]
[Amazing France is never mentioned]
Proves its just anti British rhetoric,
And greedy Argentinean territorial ambitions,
Full stop..
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286 Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The decolonisation committee exists to 'look out for' the territories on its list. If it stops doing that, and I think it has in most cases, it should disband itself.
It certainly isn't there to 'look out' for you. Wherever did you get that idea?
Monty.The committee 'looks out' for territories(countries) that were colonised and are not yet independant eg the Malvinas.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you are independant it will delisted the Malvinas.Until then you are living on a colony (a British overseas territory) in argentina's territory.
Lep
The decolonisation committee was set up to decolonise.
2. Become self-governing, but still under the protection of the colonising country or another country.
In other words they have the right to determine their own future.
You do say some wonderful things,don't you LEP.Now have a think as to what they mean.
1/There is a need to decolonize the Malvinas.They are not a part of Britain.
2/They are not self governed but are occupied by Britain who determine what laws are allowed and to who oaths are sworn.
3/The right to determine their future has been denied to the people who live on the Malvinas for 180years.
Why LEP.
What you are in fact doing,
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is forcing independence on a country that does not want it,
Because CFK knows bloody well that it would be harder for the British government in intervene with an independent country,
And this would remove the biggest obstacle to Argentina’s territorial ambitions.
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291 Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No. We have a legislative assembly which passes its own laws. The British government does not determine what laws are allowed. The Queen is still head of state, as she is for many countries. The Governor is her representative; he or she doesn't actually govern.
When we have our referendum, our wishes will be clear and our right to self determination will be exercised and then we should be taken off the C24's list.
Monty
Sep 30th, 2012 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hear hear!
CFK would have more chance of hosting the Olympics than having sovereignty talks over the Falklands. Is there little wonder that Spanish speaking nations have only ever hosted the games twice in the history of the Olympics? A fact that isn't about to change any time soon either.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle.
@Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You need to get into the real world, the UK governemt didnt want the Islands and were in dicussion to give them to the Junta. It was the people who went nuts and eventually won their own future. This is the modern world you cannot move people around as if they are chess pieces on a board! The west Indies is a relic of empire and i dont see many South American countries moaning about them and they have the same freedoms the Falklanders have and want without question. Your president is looking like a clown more and more each day, she simply hasnt got a clue about modern politics but the sadess this is she thinks she is leading Argentina out of the dark when she is doing the opposite. She needs to stop trying to follow her dead husbands dreams and step down.
Monty you know if you try to pass a law the UK doesn't like it won't be passed.Stop kidding yourself.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe asslips need to stop voicing Falkland claims which is unattainable and focus on her country no getting oil. I assume the London Tour was as successful as the US tour for investors. The next industry to fall is electricity.....I bet a lot of brown outs this summer.
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/28/4864240/argentinas-ypf-oil-company-runs.html
@291 - Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No matter how much you try to deny it the Falklands are a self-governing British Overseas Territory. They are no longer a colony and haven't been one for many years. They have their own democratically elected government and are financially independent. They are only dependent on the UK for foreign policy and defence, both of which are supplied by the UK in full consultation with the Falkland Islands Government.
They should've been taken off the decolonisation list years ago, but don't worry Yuleno next year they will be and there's not a damned thing Argentina can do about it. :-D
Is that why you're so upset?
297 Yuleno
Sep 30th, 2012 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way the UK could intervene to stop a law being passed, under the new constitution, is if it represented a gross breach of 'good governance'.
Examples of this might be if we decided to nationalise privately owned overseas companies, or decided to take over the media and gag free expression, or hinder free passage of shipping through our waters, or ban Argentine boats from our ports; you know the type of thing.
I'm quite happy with this arrangement, because we enter into it willingly and freely, and because we wouldn't want to do any of those things anyway.
Hope this helps.
The fact is the Falkland Islands/Malvinas are listed as a non-self-governing territory based on their colonial government status in 1961 and in 1965 due to their original listing by the Great Britain in 1945 at the formation of the United Nations.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that in 1961 the people living in the Falkland Islands/Malvinas were subject to colony government and in accordance with the U.N. Charter have the right to self-determination.
The terms of reference of resolution 1654 requires the Decolonization Committee to report on the progress by the administrating country, in the case of the Falklands/Malvinas, Great Britain on implementing the granting of independence to the people who live on the Falkland Islands/Malvinas to the U.N.G.A.
Resolution 2065 acknowledges Argentina disputes British sovereignty in 1965 and claims sovereignty for itself. A peaceful settlement is recommended.
The applicability of the U.N. Charter Articles 73 & 74 to the people of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas is paramount under Article 103 and is therefore unaffected by any opinions of the Decolonisation Committee, which is by its nature politically partisan, and is therefore limited in its powers by its terms of reference of resolution 1654. The same reasoning applies to the non-binding resolutions of the U.N.G.A. and their many competing interpretations and the opinions of any other international body and or any other international treaty.
All U.N. Members agree to the supremacy of the U.N. Charter.
Therefore the U.N. Charter shall always prevail in the U.N. International Court of Justice.
LORD TON. LEPRECON. S. T JOHN.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LORD: I don't know what the caymen islands are, respecting the right to self dtermination, I already said what i think about it, in fact i have always thought that the u. n resolutions should be more specific, it's true that there is not any resolution which invokes that principle for the population from the islands, but there is not also any resolution which expresses that self dtermination is not applicable for them, that's why i have always said that they should be more specific.
LEPRECON: Respecting the right to self dtermination, read what i typed for lord ton. Regarding the fact that this case has always been considered like a special colonial situation, read the statement by norma edwards at the u. n from june 24th 2010, you can find it in the news archive of this website. On the other hand, it was obvious that you were going to blame argentina only, without recognizing that neather the u. k, nor the gov. from the islands are acting correctly either. I don't deny that our gov. commits a big mistake because it doesn't include the gov. from the islands when it asks the u. k to discuss about this conflict, but at the same time, like it ro not, if the u. k and the gov. from th islands continue rejecting to dicuss about the sovereignty, which is the main problem, they won't be acting correctly either. Beside, if the u. n has never asked the u. k to return the islands to arg., it means that arg. won't be able to force the islanders to accept the argentine sovereignty only. Respecting the referendum, let's see what happens next year.
S. T. JOHN: What you say is true, in fact i have always recognzied that we still have a big moral debt with our brothers who belong to the originary populations. Anyway, the situation of many of them improved so much in the last 9 years, but there is still a lot to do for them, because some of them are still victim of powerfull masters who expeal them.
They just can’t win,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So they resort to other means,
Notice how they all have started to carry [Wedges]
It wont work..
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301# Domingo
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I won't challenge what you post.
In general what the position is,is that the Malvinas are occupied by a colonial people,hence the matter is at the UN.The problem on is that there are two people,the occupiers and the colonial state.Argentina can not discuss anything with the occupiers,only with the colonial state.The occupiers,unfortunately do not have the power to make agreements.
The problem on this site is that there are people,not living in the Malvinas,who are defending the rights of the occupying state,and they are defending a colonial act,for the sake of military and economic benefits.If they would post in the interests of the people living in the Malvinas,they might realise that the people have different interests to them.
304 Yuleno
Oct 01st, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing being defended is the right of Falkland Islanders to live under the democratically elected government of their choice. The UK gets no military or economic benefit from the Falklands. Maintaining the base at MPA costs the UK £90 million per year. The UK gets no benefit at all. What are you talking about?
Can I ask you a question? If we vote in next years's referendum to become part of Argentina, do you think you UK should respect our wishes? Would you respect our wishes?
He speak with fork tongue,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still,
they nicked British Patagonia, what else do they want.
@303 Briton
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They just can’t win,
So they resort to other means,
Notice how they all have started to carry [Wedges]
It wont work..”
Notice as well that now “Sussie 2012”, the recent troll “Patonzunu”, and TTT, are all making a point of saying they are not personally interested in the Falklands, and neither are the Argentinian people.
“Patonzunu” goes on to say that we (paraphrasing) “should relax and forget about invasion - the Islands will be fine after 2013 referendum”
I would say they are weighing up the opportunity to invade, and trying to catch the Brits off guard.
Interested to hear from pgerman and see what his attitude is now. He has said that he hates the Peronist government, but feels that Argentina should take the Falklands as they rightfully belong to them.
I don't expect anyone will be deceived.
they know they have no answer,
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they try to use the wedge between us and the falklands,
perhaps they want to use it as an exuse to rescue the falklands from the brits,
they will try every trick in the book to get them.
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@308 Poppy
Oct 01st, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they know they have no answer,
so they try to use the wedge between us and the falklands,”
Classic propaganda tactics...
Monty you are being a bit simplistic saying the UK gets no military or economic benefit from the Malvinas.Why do you think they occupied them in the first place.And they want to keep control as well,just like Wales,Northern Ireland and other places.The point about the referendum is it is run by the colonial state.
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU WILL NEGOTIATE!!!!
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@311
Oct 01st, 2012 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you a Dalek?
262 Truth_Telling_Troll
Oct 01st, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming that you are asking a genuine question about the universe, there are four dimensions.
Width, height, and length, plus the fourth: space-time, because there is NO absolute time.
It depends where in space (distance, etc) the observer is to another observer at some other point. Watching a photon of light (the event) both observers record the distance travelled by the speed of light (distance /time) BUT the measured distance is actually not as predicted using the Newtonian rules which means that space is NOT absolute (this is verified by very accurate radar over many thousands of miles).
So, how to measure these parameters accurately (between two observers observing the same event from their different positions)? In relativity (remember Einstein?) there is no real distinction between the space and time co-ordinates so distance can be measured in meters using the speed of light where one meter is the distance travelled by light in 0.000000003335640952 second. This time is easily measured by a caesium clock: SO why not measure distance in light seconds / light years, etc.?
Think of the four co-ordinates of an event by specifying them in a four-dimensional space which can be called space-time. It is very difficult for us to imagine a four dimensional space simultaneously so the approach is to think of the four dimensions in terms of sets of two dimensions which are called space-time diagrams.
These diagrams use time measured upward in years and the other line directly in the distance to the event in miles. Now Maxwells equations predict (and have been verified) that the speed of light should be the same whatever the speed of the source so any light emitted from a source (or stationary event) will spread out spherically and after one millionth of a second will be 300 meters diameter and so on. Light from an event travelling through space can be considered as two cones: one going forward and one facing backwards to where RUN OUT!
@Yuleno (#)
Oct 01st, 2012 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I live in Wales and we already have a Welsh Assembly, taxation is still central though, but i like it that way, we in Wales have less population than London and couldnt afford the Fireservice, police, hospitals, schools. Ok still some bad feeling about England invading, but in the long run we have benefitted greatly. Welsh people support the Falklanders and Argentina needs to have a think about the modern world, it doesnt matter if the Islanders settled there from Mars and took it by force, its 200 years later and isnt the present day peoples fault either way. Argentina has amassive expanse of land, why do you want these islands so much?
310 Yuleno
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0When Britain first colonised the islands, it wanted a safe haven for shipping trying to round Cape Horn. Later on the Islands were a coaling station for Navy shipe in WW1. Neither of those uses apply now. In 1982 there were 50- odd Marines here and the UK was trying to persuade the Falkland Islanders to accept Argentine rule. Britain didn't want the Falklands then, and doesn't want them now.
The referendum is being organised by the Falkland Islands Government and will be monitored by overseas observers from many countries. You didn't answer the question; would you accept the result if we voted to become part of Argentina? Should the UK accept the result?
@311 ProRG_American
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0EXTERMINATE!!!
The referendum is a totally waste of time and money because no one country bealieve nor will accept it.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dont take my word, ask the chairman of c24 comitee from United Nations.
This nosense is a very sad circus.....almost childish.
The only hope and credible future for inhabitans from Malvinas is that Uk sit to negotitate with Argentina, the legal owner of the Islands.
Today in the eyes of the international civilized comunity, an alien power of South America (UK) is occupying illegally the islands military since 1833.
Thats all.
@317
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The referendum will expose the logical absurdity of Argentina's attempt to deny the Islanders a voice in their own future while calling it decolonization.
#317
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0So , if a country agrees with you it is civilized, if not , it is uncivilized.
So, if Canada, Australia and New Zealand disagree, they are uncivilized.
A rather arrogant statement but it is what we have come to expect from some of your countrymen who have been brain washed with a made - up story of Argentina's claim to the FALKLANDS.
If the referendum is a total waste of money - so what. It's their money.
As to the C24 Comittee, I looked at the membership !!!!!!!! Who cares !
#310
“Keep control of N.Ireland and Wales” What gibberish is this, You have not a clue as to what you are talking about
311 ProRG_American (#)
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0YOU WILL NEGOTIATE!!!!
What is there to negotiate. The Falkland Islands belong to the people that live there. Just so happens that the vast majority of us who live on these Islands are of European decent.
Now let me turn this around.
Are you prepared to negotiate with the indigineous people of Argentina the Country your ancestors took by force. Are you prepared as a younger generation to give back to them all that land.
The day that your Country does that and gives back the entire Country of Argentina to its rightfull owners then I would be more than happy to delcare you can have the Falklands. BUT remember that if do you then no longer have Argentina there would be no one left to accept my offer.
Why don't you just accept that we are here right now and will be for many centuries to come.
Troy....you confuded me with Briton
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0314#Where do you,personally,get the idea you can speak for all people of Wales.You have certainly took on the idea that you know more than you could possibly know.Or you are trying to kid me,thinking it would be that easy.Have another go but with more sophistication.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Monty.Your question.Let me answer it with a story and another question.
You and your family are at home one night.In the middle of the night you are all woken by burglars.They say they want your computor and that they will either buy it for £1 or steal it.The choice is yours.
Question.Would you discuss it with your family and sell it if that was the conclusion of your discussion.
You have the answer to your question there I think.
322 Yuleno
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm guessing that we Falkland Islanders are 'the family' at home. That must be it. Clearly this isn't your home. You are the burglars, offering to buy or steal our computer.
We say we will have a talk about it (the referendum) and let you know what we decide.
Yes I see. You will try to steal it anyway.
Well, good luck with that.
@322 - Yuleno
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I prefer option 3 - get your shotgun and blow the feckers head off for invading your home.
Problem solved and you get to keep your computer, and all you have to do is call the police to do the clean up for you.
322 Yuleno
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is of course another option if you have legally held firearms at home (which I did).
You shoot the bastards.
You NEVER discuss anything with burlars: they are trash. Much like TMBOA.
No Monty.You got the story wrong.It was a story and I wrote it.You who occupy the Malvinas are the family and the colonial state is the burglars who robbed Argentina's territory,quite obviously.Argentina couldn't be the burglars but you imagine that Argentina should respect the referendum.Its not a choice,and noticeably some people resort to violence for imaginary events of a story.Clearly,as this matter directly affects you,Monty,you didnt.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Moral is that you have a intimate connection to this matter,while others who are less affected recommend endangering people while they sit in their home, safe and well.
Methinks Yuleno's allegory @322 fell flat on its face. Everyone living in the real world out of the Galtereri apologists' bubble recognizes his failed scenario as the 1982 invasion -- save for the buyout option which I s'spect would stand for the negotiations that were tried before the Junta tried to export their dirty war on the Falkalnders by brute force. And yes, the morally correct and historically accurate option was Curtain Number 3. How'd that work out for you again, Yuleno.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#326
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your scenario has one glaring flaw - the Falklands are not Argentinian territory so how could anyone have robbed them of something to which they have no title ?
Please spare us the 1833 fairy, tale blah blah blah.
288 LEPRecon
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“.how can Argentina claim the Falklands in 1833 when your country wasn't formed until 1853?”
The United Kingdom recognizes the independence of Argentina from 1810, even in its centennial of the Declaration of Independence and the foundation of the country, your goverment made a major gift to the city of Buenos Aires and important British authorities were present at the celebration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torre_Monumental
i suggest you to please study a bit about the Malvinas issue from UN formal documents and another imparcial historians, even british ones. They´re so good. Avoid Argentineans ones, no problem, all them say the same. Malvinas are Argentine.
.. ..nothing personal but it´s really not motivating for build an answer the high level of ignorance you show in each one of your publications.
322
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what we do aint nothing to do with you,
trying to put a wedge between the brits wont work.
still,
its about time british patagonia was given back to us, or offered independence..
@329 - so_far
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No the UK recognised the independence of what would become the United Provinces of the River Plate, the Republic of Argentina didn't come into being until 1853.
The United Provinces were not so united, were they? They broke up to form the countries that would become Argentina and Uruguay.
There is no such place as the malvinas. However, I have researched the history of te Falklands, and guess what? All Argentina's claims are lies.
In he 1960's Argentina LIED to the UN.
You still lie today. The Falklands are NOT a special colonial situation. The Falklanders DO have the right to self-determination, a right they will exercise in March. Now I know the result won't shut Argentina up, but it will clarify to the world exactly what Argentina's position really is, an aggressive would be coloniser, who wish to oppress and perhaps even murder the people of the Falklands.
Yuleno.
Your allegory was only partly correct, and you misunderstood it. Argentina is the burglar trying to steal the Falklands (computer). You only gave 2 options to the family (islanders) - join Argentina or we will force you to join Argentina (sell us the computer for a pathetically low amount or we'll steal it).
However, in my scenario, the family reached for their shotgun (the British Military) and shot the burglar (June 1982).
Now the burglar actually survived and limped off, but being stupid, the burglar thinks he can stand cross the road from the families house, try to prevent people delivering goods, and attempting to tell anyone who will listen that the computer you failed to steal last time is really yours and get them to illegally enter the families house and seize it on your behalf, as you are too afraid to try in case you get shot again.
The point is everyone knows you are a thief and just laugh at your pathetic rhetoric.
Hope that clarifies matters for you. :-D
Falklanders face crucial questions as referendum draws near
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Falklanders-face-crucial-questions-as-referendum-draws-near_12667584
@331 ”(sell us the computer for a pathetically low amount or we'll steal it).“
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And let's not forget that the Argentines want, metaphorically, to force the Falklanders at gunpoint to use Windows 95 on rigs so old the keyboards are in mayan and have 5 1/4” slots that the Islanders haven't seen in years. Meanwhile as part of the deal by point of gun the Argentines will be taking the Islander's state-of-the-art supercomputers (and of course their Macs) back to the mainland with no benefit to the islanders to be squandered and used to play Pong.
LEP you really astound me.What so-far says is correct with regard to the recognition of Argentina by the UK.As you like to say,check out the history.Read it impartially and not to fit your preconceived scenario.They recognised the UPLP in 10 and consequently Argentina as its successor.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas are on the list of the decolonisation committee of th UN.They are not independant and therefore a dispute is recognised by the UN with respect to a colonial situation and a resolution for talks to end the colonial situation.
I am also flattered that a person of your genius should tell a story as a follow up to my story.However you fail to pay attention to detail once again.Again your project is to re-enforce your prejudiced position of defending your country's colonialism.As for my story it was in relation to a question I was asked.There can only be two choices as the referendum question is what it referred to.Argentina was not involved and I was highlighting that fact.You really do try hard dont you.But unfortunately for you,there is no correlation between effort and veracity,or even quality.Try being honest with yourself and that you only have opinions and repeating them over and over will not make them true.
@334 - Yuleno
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello pot, this is kettle. Send colour status, over! LOL
The UK has that pesky thing backing up our claim called evidence. Evidence that supports British sovereignty claims and shows that Argentina has lied and continues to lie. Argentina had ... Er ... Lies, more lies, and even more lies to back up its claims.
Argentina never has had and never will have a valid claim to the Falkland Islands.
As for your question. Well in life there are always options. Maybe in Argentina you allow thieves to dictate, intimidate and steal from you, but in the UK and Falkland Islands we choose a different approach; resistance, self determination and freedom.
I know these are alien concepts to Argentinians.
In response to your claim about your allegory referring to the referendum, where does it say that the Falkland Islanders only have 2 choices? The question(s) haven't even been written yet, so how do you know that there will only be 2 choices?
They could choose:
- to become fulyl independent (not probable but possible)
- to remain a British Overseas Territory (maintain the status quo)
- to become a full part of the UK and send an MP to sit in parliament.
- to become a part of another country (could be Argentina but more probably Chile)
See lots of potential options. However, they will probably choose to maintain their current status (although anything is possible), but unlike Argentina, the UK will respect their right to choose for themselves. Argentina would just enslave or murder them.
It is you who is blinded by your indoctrination by the Argentine Nazi (Peronist) party. It is you who refuses to accept any evidence that doesn't conform with what you have been taught. It is you who cannot think for yourself.
You should take note of your last sentence. This is what you do, repeat and rinse, repeat and rinse. LOL
to become a full part of the UK and send an MP to sit in parliament.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why
france and spain has this set up,
no C24
no interearence,
no problems,
part of uk. argentina would have to drop its claim or rick war.
end off.
still.
not my choice.
322 Yuleno (#)
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We in Wales socialise! Out of the hundreds of people that I know not ONE supports Argentina despite most hating the English! They have hated the English for generations! In my village a couple were on board the Sir Galahad and died and the anger sir is pointed at Argentina, NOT England! What Argentins did was try to bully a small bunch of people off their rightly claimed land. If you dare attack again, you will get a patriotic response from Wales who hate the English most of time. Most I know fell about laughing (a few were visibly angry)when news broke of Argeintina trying to get support for their claim from Plaid Cymru. Plaid Cyru told Westminster, you complete idiots! It just goes to show that your silly president has no clue to the real world. Alot of Welsh guards died of the Sir Galahad but everyine knows their cause was just!
its always very hard to hate ones self .
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0LEP here is something for you to cut and paste whenever you are responding to my posts-
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are wrong again Yuleno,and you know what I think.
Now that will save you a lot of time and effort.
Scottbart
You socialise in Wales do you.Well isn't that unique.I'm sure people in England socialise as they do in Argentina,Chile,Bolivia, ect(you don't want me to go on and name every country in the world,do you) so what makes you think others don't socialise.
However mister spokesperson,what does all of Wales say about other topics.I always like to hear genuine views on events where ever they arise.
339 Yuleno (#)
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:11 pm
Sos reboludo, Yuleno!!!!
scottbart is giving his/her opinion, the organization that gave Wales' opinion was Plaid Cymru, the nationalist representative of Wales!!!!!!
You have yet to give any convincing proof that Argentina has a valid claim to the Falkland Islands. Neither you nor the Argentine government has ever provided any evidence supporting Perón's stupid claim!!!!!
Yuleno (#)
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody likes Argentina the Nazi helpers, nothing good has ever come out of Argentina or likely to, corrupt flea pit of a country.
Well well simon68 you sound like a man who doesn't mince words.Its a pity you are not necessaryily accurate in what you say.Is Wales a one party state of colonial or some other English like political system.There is a welsh community in Argentina and they have differing views on things.They are not forced to agree with something they don't agree with,and you can say what you like you won't convince me of something the spokesperson can't convince me of.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0342 Yuleno
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wales is a principality and has been since 1282. It has its own devolved government and also returns MPs who sit in the UK parliament. Some of these MPs represent Plaid Cymru, which is a (Welsh) nationalist party. It is not 'a one party state of colonial or some other English like political system'. What a completely insane thing to say. The correct information is out there for anyone to read.
Your posts make me really sad, for you, and your generation, and the type of education you are getting. Why don't you put all those prejudices on the shelf and start thinking for yourself?
“”Nobody likes Argentina the Nazi helpers, nothing good has ever come out of Argentina or likely to, corrupt flea pit of a country.“”
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And with comments like that I can only hope you aren't British.
If you are, hang your head in shame.
Argentina is a lovely country, has wonderful people but just happens to be clinically insane for voting for total idiots, dictators and families with monumental delusions of grandeur.
They get CFK, We got Tony Blair.
At least CFK hasnt started a war (yet)
(although, admittedly, only because she knows she couldn't win it)
{Which, I guess, puts her 1-0 up on Blair & Bush}
you are letting these clever argies get to you,
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0change of subject from argetina to the UK .
they are looking for cracks,
throw them cement only..
@342
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is a welsh community in Argentina and they have differing views on things.They are not forced to agree with something they don't agree with”
Neither are the Welsh in the UK forced to agree with the UK parliament.
Ever heard of the Welsh assembly?
The Conservative Party do not run the Welsh assembly, ie the political system running the UK parliament in London are different from the political make up of the Welsh Assembly.
Welsh students do not pay university tuition fees at Welsh Universities.
They have probably more autonomy than the Welsh in Argentina, who do not have their own assembly.
@337 scottbart
Oct 04th, 2012 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Steady on with the broad assumptions scottbard...
England is what is termed 'the old enemy' in Wales, just as it is in Scotland. I should know, I'm english so is my wife and we have lived in Cardiff for 18 years and have never ever suffered from any kind of racisit slur. OK, so perhaps in deepest darkest Wales[where witchcraft is still practiced ;-) ] then there is more hateful opinion but generally, there's only a rivalry on the sports pitches that is worth mentioning when it comes to antagonism.
Wales as a whole has no intention of splitting from the Union, Wales helped make britain what it is today. But individuals anywhere can think what they like, however racism is not tolerated.
Cardiff is a great cosmopolitan city, home of BBC TV series Dr Who, Torchwood and now Casualty. I'm pleased to be living in Wales (except for the bloody £6 bridge toll)!
Why don't you put all those prejudices on the shelf and start thinking for yourself?
Oct 04th, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Neither are the Welsh in the UK forced to agree with the UK parliament.
OK, so perhaps in deepest darkest Wales[where witchcraft is still practiced ;-) ] then there is more hateful opinion but generally,
Steady on with the broad assumptions scottbard...
These are comments and what I was highlighting is the last one,broad assumptions.I know instinctively that no welsh person doesn't believe that the UK should get out of the Malvinas.But I wouldn't try to convince anyone that everyone in Wales has a single view about anything.Why is there a national party.I don't think there's one in the Malvinas.Do some people in Wales want greater independance from English dominance.Well not if they all have the same view as scottbart tried to suggest by his socialising and listening skills.
Monty,not for one minute would I accept such a claim,equally I wouldn't deny that I have some prejudices.I would expect you have them as well.What are yours?
Musky (#)
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have no idea what your talking about, Cardiff is multi cuktural city without many Welsh in it! The real Wales is the north, if you walk into some of the pubs up here on rugby day with an England top on, your going to have problems!
Also there are plenty of witch covens in England, Scotland etc, not sure why your going on about that anyway and consideing you dont know anything about “deepest darkest Wales” isnt it you who is showing prejudice?
There we go again.The man lives in Cardiff and according to mister spokesperson,he doesn't know what he's talking about.Wales is less than 250km long and he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Oct 04th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that comment shows I was correct in my reaction to this font of knowledge.
Yuleno (#)
Oct 04th, 2012 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So he lives in Cardiff so what? it like an extention of England anyway. Tell you what Yuleno, come here, get on the next plane and start wearing your countries football top around my town and see what happens to you
What town are you in.Wales and you socialise there,but not in Cardiff where the English live and you no longer consider Cardiff as a welsh place.Expel them if they have taken your city,it will be your place next.Theyve occupied our Malvinas.
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