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HMS Dauntless called in Colombia and joined major UNITAS naval exercise
After a major naval exercise in the Caribbean with the participation of 13 warships from several countries of the Americas and following some anti-drugs patrolling in the Caribbean HMS Dauntless is expected back in Portsmouth at the end of October. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMerco press you have this all wrong, she would of been banned from docking in Columbia because of the SA wide solidarity with Argentina. jajajaja
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, remind us in what form this support to Argentina over the Falklands takes again?
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0International co-operation and understanding, you can't beat it. Bickering RG's take note, your so called international support is a very thin veneer. Assume Tinman will now fly to Colombia and harangue the Government, making them even less sympathetic.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go CFK, we love you !!
@Santa Fe - I am not sure whether you are laughing for Argentina or against them. Is your comment sarcasm? Whatever, this report clearly shows that the support for Argentina from Colombia is not as secure as la Cretina and Timerman believe.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for Colombia!
4 - it was sarcasm
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its shows the real support the RG's have. Countries just pay lip service to Tinhead.
No problem,truth and reason triumph some day.!! Mavinas Argentinas!!
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might be a while before you find truth or reason in Argentina. Who knows, maybe after the next election.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@gustbury #6
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was under the impression that truth and reason triumphed June 14, 1982.
hahahahahh Jimlad may be you are dreaming,I do not care what he does this rat JM Santos,matter what we think!!Malvinas Argentinas my friend remember!!
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still don't understand what bothers all of you. If it is CFK or the fact that Argentina is currently denying the use of its ports, harbours and infraestructure to both, the UK and FI.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If CFK is the “bothering issue” I understand all of you and I share your annoyance.
But if it is the fact that the available ports are much farther away than the nearest ports in located in the Argentine territory I don't share your annoyance.
The fact that you cannot use any Argentine logistic support is a peaceful and sovereign decision of a country that you must respect.
Using Argentine ports, structure, waters and air space is not a “granted right”.
If having the Colombian cooperation, or the Chilean or Uruguayan one, is so important, just use their ports regunlarly and do not complaint.
Governments come and go, just causes are the remaining!!
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 010 pgerman - CFK is probably worried that Dauntless could drop off a couple of marines in Buenos Aires and take over the country.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll probably find that once CFK is gone the policy will change to something else. Everyone can see the current approach is not helping Argentina at all other than maybe giving nationalists a sense that their ego is being massaged. Non nationalists are probably more concerned that they are being laughed at.
@6 Your idea of “truth and reason” may appear somewhere around the 40th century. By that time, most people will probably have left Earth for more exciting lives elsewhere in the Galaxy. Meanwhile, 5 or 6 very elderly Falkland Islanders that don't want to travel will still be holding off the mighty argie empire!
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 You are partially right.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK might be worried about the Dauntless....or not. I would like to see her killed by a couple of british misiles. So I don't care.
I'm not worried if the UK want to deploy one battle ship or two..I would prefer to see them deploying the whole fleet..if they want to waste their money is up to them.
You might be right that one CFK is gone the policy will change... or not.
Who knows !!...I don't know but I don't undertand your annoyance with the fact that Argentine decided to close their ports to the UK. It would decide to deny the use or the air space and still be a peaceful decision.
I don't agree that the current approach is not helping Argentina. I'm not a nacionalist at all, just to the contrary, but I believe it's a correct political decision that must be keep during decades.
If the UK wants something from Argentina, the usage of ports for instance, just call the Argentine Embassy and negotiate.
Otherwise, its' like Einstein said: “you can't keep on doing the very same thing and expect different results”
@6 tune in to the Falklands referendum in march 2013, the truth hurts :)
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are the product of child brainwashing so you will believe the truth to be whatever you were told by those who should have known better, unfortunatey for you it was all lies, very sad practise by the argentine govt. indeed.
just as an experiment and whilst we are on the subject of truth can you tell me what is the “real” inflation rate in argentina and not what you are told to say?? lets see how deep the brainwash goes.
I think Argentina is the maker of its own downfall and as ever its not CFK or Tinhead who suffer but the decent working class of Argentina.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In terms of the UK position, the UK doesn't actually need to do anything but maintain its position as Argentina is powerless to force its will on the UK and is destroying all credibility on a international stage with its mindless policies and rants.
Argentina is its own worst enemy.
@16 - Xect
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct. The UK doesn't need to do anything, except a bit of quiet diplomacy through normal channels.
Argentina is destroying itself without any outside interference. CFK has done the Falkland Islanders a huge favour. By continuously bleating to the international community, she has put herself, her government, her governmental policies and her 'so-called' evidence under the spot light.
In each case she and by extension, Argentina, have been found wanting.
@16 from my point of view you are partially right. I agree with you in your concepts about the current situation in Argentina.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As regards FI my opinion is different. If UK doesn't need to do anything but mantain its position as Argentina is a weak rival, please, don't complaint against Argentine decisions.
Don't use any port, any harbour, any water and pay large flights from London directly to FI without asking for the usage of the air space.
This is not changing Argentine credibility at all. Let's asume a referendum is organize in London, or in Buenos Aires...would you be surprise by the results? I don't think so.
The problem is the lack of basic agreements on the islands between the UK and Argentina.
Until both countries, with seriousness and maturity. would not be able to accept and recognize that there is a real problem, that lasted almost 200 years, and intend to make serious progress in its solution I don't see any chance of real progress between both countries would be possible.
@18
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you want to get off your soap box, we understood your point the first time you made it. The UK doesn't give a shit whether or not they allow us in their ports, what does piss us off is when they threaten their neighbours to do the same thing. What is clear is that Brazil and now Columbia have had enough of this Argentine attititude of “do as we say or else”. Oh, and yes you are right, whilst the Kirchner dictatorship is in place there will not be any progress, there can't be anyway because their constitution won't allow any other outcome than Argentine sovereignty, therefore how do you commence a discussion from that starting point. So the Falkland Islanders get to choose their future next year and the Argentines can go and F*** themselves. Is that clear enough for you!
@19 I'm sorry it seems that you don't undertand my point of view.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't use any port, any harbour, any water that belong to Argentina or any other Latam country that agrees with the Argentine position, and pay large flights from London directly to FI without asking for the usage of the air space.
For the time being I just heard the opposite, even the UK PM complaints because its too expensive !!!!
Is that clear enough for you now?!
I thought the Argies said that all of Latam agreed with them? I thought they said that all of SA didn't want British militarisation? So did the Argies lie or are they hopelessly misinformed about were their neighbours foreign policies lie? On another note its nice to see Dauntless out and about.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure you actually need Argentine airspace to get from London to the Falklands. I will reiterate my point, its the other South American countries the UK could use more of a degree of cooperation and the signs are that this is starting to happen. The democratic vote in the Falkland Islands next year is going to be devastating to Argentinas claim. You said the problem has lasted 200 years? The Argentine constitution commenced in 1853, so how do you work that one out, is maths not so good in South America? I can assure you that 200 years ago, the Spanish were busy killing the indigenous population in South America and could not have cared less about the Falklands which were already at settled British colony at that time.
Just goes to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Columbia along with the rest of South America doesn't give a damn about Argentina's Malvinas Fantasy.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I back President Sariento when he spoke in the Argentine Congress on 1st May 1869 and said, 'the country had NO claims on other nations.'
Dear “Britworker” and “Birt Bob”..itsn't Columbia..the conutry is COLOMBIA..Columbia is in Canada where Vancouver is located, the place where I live now.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Presindent you mentioned is SARMIENTO instead of
Sariento. ..you seem to be a little bit missinformed !!! If you don't know the meme of a person you cannot know about his speeches. In fact, it's quite clear that you know nothing about Argentine history.
So, based on you comments, I don't understand why the Foreign Office warned Argentina about the fact that the planes that flight from Chile to FI would be allowed to fly the Argentine air space. When do you think the UK government will cancel these flights?
Please, don't try to drag me into a discussion about the Spanish conquest..what about the British one in America? In the Caribean? In Africa? In Asia? In Australia?...when is the UK government oganize a referendum in Chagos Island?..it would be great !!!
Pgerman, the problem you have is trying to speak for latam countries when its clear from all of their recent actions they really don't care about your plight over the Falkland's islands and its clear the UK can be very useful to many of these countries in different ways.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By all means speak for Argentina but don't try to speak for latam countries as its clear they don't support your position in anything other than agreeing to your demands at different meetings about wording in statements with the exception of Venezuela but lets face it having Venezuela support you means you're doing something very wrong.
We just want peace and to be left alone!
On another note, its great to see the stunning Type 45's around that region and showcasing British technology. I'm sure Colombia enjoyed seeing advanced military technology in use. Brazil will surely get more of this level of technology off the UK in coming years too!
Bad news... UNASUR not as united as it pretends to be.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:(
Santos go home.
Nothing surprising here. The artyicle does not saythat the ship was part of the fleet that participated in the exercise. If it were to be alone, that's another story.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be easy on Santos. He has cancer, operable Thank God.
Heard something interesting this AM on a Spanish language radio station from Los Angeles. Argentine DM Puricelli will be traveling to Germany early next year to discuss modernixation of the MEKO ships. Let's see, that's 10 of them. How many “Dauntlesses's” will you have?
So now we have pgerman ensconced in Vancouver but fomenting about Argentina.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is it with these Malvanistas? Anybody would think they would NEVER leave Argentina, especially TMBOA. But they can't wait to piss off and live anywhere else, except the dastardly Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas).
What a pathetic bunch they are.
@27
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 010?
You mean 4 crappy, poorly armed worn out MEKOs as opposed to 6 brand new top of the range Type 45's? Actually the Type 45 is an anti air warship, the best in the world in fact. Those MEKOs are general purpose ships. So you should compare them to the Type 23 Frigate, the best anti submarine vessel on earth. 13 Type 23s with superior weapons and crews as opposed to 4 crappy, poorly armed worn out MEKOs. You don't seem to know much about military matters do you? Anyway as an American why are you so pro RG when culturally you can most likely trace your roots back to the UK or Ireland and probably not Spain. I mean I thought we were friends.
I did think comparing a ancient 1980's ship to the Type 45 quite funny, I mean you can't be serious?
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've just compared the most advanced Destroyer in the world to a relic even if some systems are moderately modernised.
Too silly for words!
@ ProRG_American #27
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mate, the only class of MEKO warship numbering '10' is the Australian and New Zealand ANZAC class...Argentina has only 4 MEKO class frigates (Argentina classes them as 'destroyers', but lets see them for what they really are.) of questionable serviceability, considering the last I heard of them was the Argentine navy struggling to source spare parts for the engines, failing to perform basic maintenance on their engines thus rendering moored indefinitely. Even if Argentina was able to cobble the funds (which I doubt very much) together to perform any modernisation on these ships, there are only so many ways to improve this platform, and even then they still won't be in the same league as the Dauntless class.
Dear ChrisR. Are we discussing about me in this forum? I don't think so. I'm not discussing about you either. So, please, try to discuss about the subject of the article. Yes? Thank you.....
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In addition, I'm not a “Malvinista at all”, just to the contrary I hate them. I love British culture and heritage and I have been, either visting or working, in most of the former british colonies.
The fact is that in most of the cases I end meeting narrow minded people in this forum....
Dear Xect, I understand that all what you want is peace and to be left alone but it's not possible in the World. I would like to be at home all the time but it's impossible, I must go to work.
In addition, you must recognize that Argentina is now leaving FI alone. That's the issue..be alone...be isolated..or be part of the Continent...What would you (or the UK) do to work together, Argentina and the UK, in this part of the World?
31... Please don't be fooled by the log on names, we have Fake American, Fake Aussie, and British Kirchernist, it's a standard troll ruse. all of them have be proven to not to be from the country they post as being from. it's a clever RG plan to show world support , and as we can see in this article it ain't forthcoming.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ pgerman #32
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd like to see the articles and evidence you've read to allow you to state that Argentina is leaving the Falklands alone. It was less than a week ago when Kirchner was once again ranting and raving in front of the UN about how the fictional 'Malvinas' is sovereign Argentine territory.
And in reference to your previous post, #18, the reason of the lack of agreements is solely because of Argentina, under Nestor Kirchner, tore up all agreements and left all areas of cooperation between the FI and Argentina. Britain and the FI have been acting incredibly mature and very restrained on this issue, while Argentina has been screaming like a petulant child. You talk of a lack of progress between Argentina and the FI/UK. Mate, the onus is on Argentina to cooperate, as both the FI and Uk governments have made it QUITE clear that they're happy to cooperate with Argentina, provided as Argentina does not press them on the sovereignty issue.
Pgerman remember you don't speak for latam countries even if you'd like too.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people of the Falkland Island's just want Argentina to leave them alone and they will continue to have friendly relations with all of the normal, decent countries (Chile/Brazil/Peru etc).
Argentina is simply wasting its time trying and failing to bully the people of the Falkland Island's whilst the Falkland Islands remains protected by the British.
Give peace a chance!
27... Oh that's ok then, do the rules ban hosting a series of trade and military sales events. Seem pretty cosy to me. Who would want friends like Argentina, a country that gives nothing and takes so much.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh, I see, normal, decent countries hey. What is so normal about Chile, Brazil, Peru, that has you so in love with them? Chile and Peru have a trerritorial dispute, Brazil has massive corruption, and so does Peru. Persons have disappeared in Chile and no one has gone to jail for it, while in Argentina they have. I don't understand your comment.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot have normal relations with these countries. They support Argentina. Argentina has a claim and UN resolutions to go with it.
Argentina is not bullying the Islanders, they are not blockading them, instead it is the other way around. The Islanders are hostile, threatful and insulting to Argentina. The islanders intransigaence does not allow for a diplomacy, in fact it has already lead to war.
Dear Xect, I agree with you. I just speck for myself. Not even for the Argentine people. The Argentine public opinion, like the British one, is divided. My best friend thinks FI belong to the UK and I don't hate him. He is still my best friend but I think differently.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite clear based on the money invested in defense by Argentina that a war is not an option. Under the current conditions Argentina cannot go to a war against the Vatican or the Feroe Islands. So, I believe the islanders can sleep without fear.
All the diplomatic people always make clear that they want to cooperate and be happy. Please, don't trust in politician words !!!
I also believe that the UK is wasting its time, resources and money sending battle ships here. Under the current conditions the Argentine Navy cannot chase a whale. But it's up to them.
@37
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh you really are a few cans short of a six pack aren't you? How dare you accuse the islanders of this dispute? We British have been on the islands since around 1690, proven. Argentina is the one responsible for the war because the government that they all hated then immediately loved invaded the islands for approval ratings. Argentina is the country that has banned UK and Falkland flag vessels, restricting imports and shouting t=down the islanders every five minutes. Argentina is also the country whose citizens call the Falkland islands and threaten the islanders daily. So don't give me the innocent crap. Argentina is at the heart of this dispute not the islanders.
39 Conor J (#) Actually I have not had a god 6 pack in a few months. Thanks for reminding me. Al of you mumbo jumbo is just NONESENSE!! The Argentines are a peaceful people who did not have a war in 100 years. The recovery in 1982 was the result of British refusal to abide by UN resolutios and actually telling the Argentines that they would not negotiate the futire of the Islands.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What utter bolocks! The Argies and us were in peaceful negotiation over the islands right up until 1982, Galtieri had become President of the Junta and his popularity was so low that Argentina was close to democracy. Inflation was at 600% Wages and employment had fallen by 30% in most cases. The only thing that could save the Jubta was a war. This has been admitted by some of the highest members of the Junta Galtieri included. The islands sat peacefully and the next thing those selfish Argies attacked our people and dragged us into a war that took 1000 lives. Argentina is to blame, there are even Argie bloggers on here who state it was the Junta and not hem who took the islands by force in 82. So please get your facts right before lecturing us British on our People and territory.
Pgerman, the reason the British keep very sophisticated and expensive military assets there is the lesson from last time and lets face anyone would have to be utterly crazy to think CFK is stable.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By keeping those military assets there we are simply saying hands-off because it would be a bloodbath for Argentina should they try and attack.
Besides the cost is really insignificant for the British, 150m from a 65bn budget.
As for ProRG, now thats one crazy Argentine!
What you friends say to CFK and what they actually do,
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are two different things.
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ProArgie’s comment about Argentina “being a peaceful nation and only invaded the Falklands because of Britain’s refusal to abide by UN resolutions”, is the most absurd thing I have read on this forum. I am NOT saying that all Argentines aren’t peaceful, all I am saying is that their actions 30 years ago, and the actions of some Argentine politicians today certainly isn’t representative of peace.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And to furthermore make ridiculous statements like “The Islanders are hostile, threatful and insulting to Argentina. The islanders intransigence does not allow for a diplomacy, in fact it has already lead to war”…..The Falkland Islanders WANT Argentina to talk to them so how can that be stubborn?
If Argentina think they are already at war then surely this is the right time to bolster the defences of the Island, to prevent another bloodbath re-run of 30 years ago.
@31 Argentina has ten Mekos.... 4 meko 360 frigates dating from the early 80's and 6 meko 160 corvettes dating from the same time, although it took them 20 years to build the six.......
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Word on the street is that refurbishement of the surface fleet will take place after completion of the RG nuclear submarine project......
'Corvette'... no their is a word I haven't seen for quite a few years
The Islanders are hostile, threatful and insulting to Argentina.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0on rode the mighty 3,000
to defeat 40 million argies,
yep
stupid to say the least,
still
the argies have beem humiliated once,
do they wish it again,
im sure 3,000 imortals are ready and waiting.
More Mercosur friendly Navy Cooperation - and it includes Paraguay. Where is Mr Paraguay?
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Puerto Belgrano - From Monday until Friday and is developing COAMAS 2012 exercise involving the navies of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay, countries of the South Atlantic Maritime Area (AMAS).
“This is an exercise of maritime traffic control, trying to protect against an alleged threat of a foreign country would come to interrupt the normal traffic of merchant ships from port to port,” explained Teresa Ojeda principal place of Communications Central Puerto Belgrano.
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The final report, said Lt. Cudina, will be submitted to Buenos Aires, while the final meeting will be in Uruguay where every country will gather for a review of the exercise.
and ya point is what.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha ahh, it's Briton. I knew you'd show up. You seem to live 274/7 on this site.
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tha point is that Paraguay is not being excluded from all assential Mercosur adtivities and it continues to cooperate with it's partners. It has not refused to participate and that is good for Paraguay, goood for Mercosur. Much to the dislike of some many on this forum.
nice to see you include her,
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0after all, she is in south America.
24/7
13/3
only part time.lol.
@49 You're absolutely right...
Oct 02nd, 2012 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No UK or Falkland flagged vessels have been able to dock there! ;-)
(sorry I did crack that joke a few days ago - apologies!)
pgman - we were obsessed earlier with the dream that we are sufferring shut out from Argentine ports? For your info, Faklands vessels and UK flagged vessels coming to and from the Islands have NEVER had a need to dock nor a wish to dock in argentine ports- other than a few cruise ships - which do.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your ports are of NO economic interest to us.
The Lan flight that flies through part of your Southern Airspace has NOTHING to do with UK!!! It is a commercial scheduled flight operated by an in agreement and in consultation with the dept of Civil Aviation,
Falkland Islands Govt, Stanley.
Arg could of course stop them i f she wanted to- my thought is that CFK is afraid and scared of the international - and national - criticism she would attract for such a blatant bullyboy attack.
She knows her own 1982 veterans and NOK groups want the flights left going!
It must be about time Cristina spoke to the Red Cross again
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear “Islander1”
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the articles written in this site and the public declarations of British diplomats and politicians express just the opposite about the interest and need of using the logistic support and proximity of the Argentine ports.
Not to mentioned an interview showed by the Argentine TV to some owners of Spanish fishery companies complaining about that the fact that they cannot use the nearest ports (located in the Argentine shore).
All this seems be a proof that any comercial activity would be more than happy to be allowed to use the Argentine proximity.
In addition, again, it's the concept that Argentina is forced or it's legaly and ethically obliged to let LAN Chile planes to flight from Chile to the FI using the air space. And this is a mistake !!!...Argentine people don't have the right to be allowed to visit London, Edinburg or the FI. It's a decision of the British government.
I don't know and I don't care about CFK, I hate her, she is just another corrupt politician who wants to make money as quickly as possible before being replaced
@47 oh good, plenty of targets to track for our Nuclear submarine, they can hone thier already outstanding skills, plus loads of data for future use. Whoops did I say we have a nuclear submarine down there, only speculating of course :/ But you or your ships will never know until it's to late.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37 ProRG_Argie
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0> Argentina is not bullying the Islanders, they are not blockading them, instead it is the other way around.
It's a tough fought contest, but surely with this utterance ProRG_Argie wins the award for the dumbest Malvinista statement yet uttered here.
@54 pgerman
> Argentina is forced or it's legaly and ethically obliged to let LAN Chile planes to flight from Chile to the FI using the air space. And this is a mistake !!!
I believe the continuation of the LAN flight is one of the conditions of the peace settlement following the war you started in 1982. Surely you don't want to breach yet an another agreement?
@32
> I also believe that the UK is wasting its time, resources and money sending battle ships here.
This might be true, but the UK has frequently made the mistake of leaving its assets unprotected in that neighbourhood, and look what happens : 1833 (Pinedo), 1833 (Rivero), 1972 (Thule), 1982 (Galtieri). But I think we've got the message by now.
you are using our air space to go to chile, but you can go making a curve through south of ARG and CHI and not bothering other nations.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its not our problem that you want to go to Chile and that you want to use our airspace because it is cheap.
Sure, but very sure ARG doesnt use Malvinas airspace.
Dont bother.
Conversation overheard on the VHF Guard (emergency) frequency 121.5 MHz
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Air Defence Site: 'Unknown aircraft - you are in Argentine airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a British aircraft. I am in Falklands airspace.'
Argentine Air Defence Site: 'You are in Argentine airspace. If you do not depart our airspace, we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a Royal Air Force GR4 Tornado fighter. Send them up, I'll wait!'
Argentine Air Defence Site: ( .... total silence)
You see what happens if we use Malvinas airspace............
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0so imagine why should we let you use OUR MAINLAND AIRSPACE
I think we should escolt this airpalne when using our airspace.
They can go to Chile using other airspace. they have alternatives.
Dont bother.
no one owns air,
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0air moves.
silly billy
you escolt this plane when entering in Malvinas, Ive seen it
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@61
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0??
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Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should use other ways to get to Chile, instead of bothering Argentina.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Specially knowing you have a militar fortress threatenning, we shouldnt let you use our airspace.
Dear HansNiesund, how are you? I missed you in this discussion !!!
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Back to the subject you should know that treaties (and contracts) are valid, and generate obligation between the parties, to the extent that benefit the signatories. Any change of reality that causes a benefit to one of the parties and damages to the other makes it absolutely zero.
What are the benefits Argentina takes from the usage of its airspace from LAN Chile in this case?
If they want to invest or waste resources sending warships in region... Why the UK Government does not assume its full responsibility to the FI people and invest much more resources bearing a scheduled and regular flight between London and the FI?
In addition, following some of the comments written here, if Argentina and its people are deceitful, agressive and dangerous....why are Fi people trying to use their resources? Why don't you start a regular and scheduled flight between FI and South Africa? or simply avoid the usage of any air space with a larger flight in a one sided decision?
I have already told you I don't care if the UK send one, two, or the entire fleet to the region...just waste your money!!! The more money you waste the better !!
I think the using of our aispace was allowed as they allowed the visit of our veterans to the cementary.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they should have 5 at least per day flights to London, to buy and visit all they want. They study and work there.
66 malen (#)
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 03rd, 2012 - 12:12 pm
5 flights a day to London?????
You are suggesting that 50% of the Island population wants yo travel to London EVERY DAY???????
@37 ProRG_American. You say “Argentina has a claim and UN resolutions to go with it.” Yes, I agree, Argentina has a claim - but no concrete provable evidence to sustain that claim. And as far as the UN resolutions - I am not aware of even one UN resolution which states, unequivocally, that the Falkland Islands is territory which rightly belongs to Argentina.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I am wrong, kindly point out to me where such a UN resolution is available for perusal.
@65 pgerman
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What an extraordinary attitude to treaties (and contracts). No wonder you're acquired such a reputation for untrustworthiness.
@69
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sorry but this is a recognized concept in any Legal system. I'm not a lawyer (you know) but I believe that it's also applicable in International law.
Anyway the key issue is that the UK Government is not assuming its full responsibility to the FI people. The best way to get rid of people with “untrustworthiness reputation” is to bear the costs of a larger flight avoiding the usage of the Argentine airspace or simply directly connect the FI with London.
A rich country like UK that sends large battle ships “to the end of the world” to protect “a small democracy and their self-determination” can afford it.
I don't want to be rude or to offend you (or other people in this forum) but it's quite clear that, as it was in the past, the UK and the FI want to take all the advantage they can from Argentina without giving anything in retur.
@65
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no doctrine in international law, commercial law, or any other kind of law I am aware of, that allows a party to walk away from a treaty or contract just because they've decided it doesn't suit any more. If that were the case, there'd be no point in having law or contracts in the first place.
However, it would come as no surprise to anybody that Argentina would decline to honour an agreement it has entered into, and there are so many well known examples that they hardly need reciting.
As for the LAN Link, lets consider the first the two major problems with the Argentine claim to the Falklands. The first is that it is nonsense. The second is that Argentine goes about pursuing the claim in a way that guarantees it will fail. Your attitude to the LAN link is a clear example of this.
71 HansNiesund (#)
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 03rd, 2012 - 03:41 pm
“The second is that Argentine goes about pursuing the claim in a way that guarantees it will fail.”
If for some incredible reason Argentina won its claim to the Islands all peronist politicians would have immediate fatal heart attacks, what would they use to blow smoke into our eyes if they didn't have the “Malvinas”???????
#72
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think you need to worry about that. The old arguments with Chile can be revived and there are both Uruguay and Paraguay to pick fights with - sure it might take a bit of brainwashing but that is how the FI was resurrected and kept alive.
71 HansNiesund (#)
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Contracts and treaties are signed for by mutual agreement of the parties to benefit both and not to benefit only one. What you say is not correct, since all legal systems have principles and conditions that nullify existing agreements.
Anyway the key issue that you haven't answered yet. It is that the UK Government is not assuming its full responsibility to the FI people.
The best way to get rid of people with “untrustworthiness reputation” like the Argentinians is to bear the costs of a larger flight and avoiding the usage of the Argentine airspace or simply directly connect the FI with London.
Why is the UK avoiding this responsibility?
Why FI people with, who have the best income rate per person, are avoiding this decision?
74... Perhaps it's as basically is they don't trust the Rgs. and I don't blame them. Humiliation does terrible things to countries, and boy Argentina have a dictionary reference next to the word. bullying the islanders just makes Argentina seem even more weak and broken than they actually are. .sad really they showed great promise
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My friend HansNiesund doesn't seem to be able to answer my question. Or he might no want to.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr “Santa Fe” (by the way German is my given name) you might be able to.
If the best way to get rid of people with “untrustworthiness reputation”, “humilliated”... like the Argentinians is to bear the costs of a larger flight and avoiding the usage of the Argentine airspace or simply directly connect the FI with London.
Why is the UK avoiding this responsibility?
Why FI people, who have the best income rate per person in LaTam, are avoiding this decision?
Would you be so kind as to answer it?
#74 Treaties are often signed for mutual benefit but are often not explicitly mutually beneficial, at least immediately after the treaty is signed. A good example is any peace treaty in which there is a clear victor, the defeated party signs the treaty in anticipation of worse terms further down the line.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0also #74 People who go to the Falklands are not only people coming or going from U.K. Flying to Chile, for example, via the U.K. is not a particularly efficient route. In fact flying from the Falklands to anywhere via the U.K. is unlikely to be efficient.
@77 if so, the UK will have to force Argentina to sign another peace treaty. Keep trying to get additional benefits !!..With your answer you are giving CFK all the credit for her stupid policy and attitudes against UK and FI.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Flying to Chile, via the U.K. is not a particularly efficient route. In fact flying from the Falklands to anywhere via the U.K. is unlikely to be efficient”.
Please, be proud as winners of the war and pay money to use a “not efficient” route. Don't beg for favors to people that you despise. Be honorable.
#78 Firstly, I don't despise Argentina, or its people... its politicians on the other hand.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I understand there was no peace treaty, partly because there was no declaration of war. The LAN flights, as noted previously, were arranged by mutual benefit (on the Argentine side this allowed relatives to visit the graves of their families). Had there been a formal peace treaty I would hope Argentina would have been forced to pay for the removal of thousands of mines they so nicely left behind.
The route isn't just inefficient, it would effectively force the Chilean population off the islands.
@78
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've of course right that “all legal systems have principles and conditions that nullify existing agreements”. It's just that one party deciding it doesn't like the deal any more isn't considered sufficient grounds for nullification by any credible system.
Sorry, but I can't quite grasp the point you're trying to score re the LAN flight. One of the consequences of 1982 is that the Falklands is an existential issue in British politics rather than a cost one. If that flight is stopped, I'm sure an alternative will be found. And as I'm sure you're also aware, the military defence forces don't supply or replenish themselves via the LAN flight or Argentine ports.
But as long as the LAN flight remains, this alternative isn't necessary. And I doubt if anybody is losing sleep that it passes over Argentine air space or stops in Rio Gallegos once a month.
On the other hand, closing the air space to Falklands bound flights is about the only stupid, self'defeating move the CFK administration hasn't made so far.
If the air space was closed this might be the final straw in terms of relations between the U.K. and Argentina. Given Argentina exports $400,000,000 more than it imports from the U.K. who loses?
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pgerman you are wasting your time with the Brits, they are not very smart people, and when you mix low intellect with jingoistic hebetude, well you see the results.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Brits have made this argument for centuries: when someone signs a treaty with them, the other side is in their reduced minds supposed to stand by to that treaty for ETERNITY. So if Argentina allows planes through its airspace to the FI, then it must do so until the sun is a red giant.
If we sign fishing treaties, so they must be held up for eterninty.
But of course, they immediately will bay to you UK can withdraw from any treaty it signs, whenever it wants if the situation change.
Thus, if Argentina was a member of the EU, and the EU decided to impose a banking tax, we would have to simply agree with it and sign along because “we signed a treaty to belong to the EU”, and deciding not to participate in it would demonstrate how untrustworthy, lazy, corrupt latins we are.
Oh.
They are a sad people, they really believe they are above the law, can point the finger at others, and think they are the shit. I pity them.
“”“They are a sad people, they really believe they are above the law, can point the finger at others, and think they are the shit.”“”
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eh? I thought you were Argentinian?
@83
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes.
The British always accuse everyone else of “breaking treaties” with them, because people simply just don't like the arrangement anymore.
I simply point out how ultimately hypocrites they are. They keep showing they want to leave the EU, well, because they don't like the arrangement.
If the UK was replaced with Argentina, if Argentina even mentioned they may want to withdraw from the EU they would be shouting “untrustworthy! rogues! breachers of treaties!”
The Brits should follow their own rules they demand of others. They signed a treaty to belong to the EU. Leaving the EU is breaking that treaty. End of story they are rogues when they do.
@82
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another fine example of TTT logical consistency there. Four paragraphs declaring Argentina above the law, and then a fifth deriding the Brits for supposedly believing they are above the law.
”With the Bey of Tripoli or the Emperor of Morocco we might for a time maintain unviolated the provisions of a Treaty but with these people if a temporary advantage could be gained they would violate a treaty on the day of its ratification.”
Francis Baylies, US chargé d’affaires to Buenos Aires, July 1832. Guess who he's referring to.
Plus ça change ......
You pompous stuck up little ass! You must be very lonely in a peer group of one.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus ça change, plus les rosbifs demeurent pareil.
Fact.
@87
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch your agreements there, it should be “pareils”.
From what I've seen of your French, it's a bit better than your German, not as good as your English. Maybe a 'B' in a good school.
Je te conseillerais pourtant de poursuivre tes etudes a travers une lecture de Descartes. Une telle demarche aiderait non seulement a ameliorer ton francais, mais aussi tes difficultes importantes en termes de logique elementaire.
(Sorry, but I can't be bothered finding accents on this keyboard. I'm sure you'll manage though)
@82
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So if Argentina allows planes through its airspace to the FI,”
OK, then, if you don't allow your neighbours in Chile to make money from the Falklands by flying through your airspace then you are kicking Chile in the pants and your veterans won't get to see their friend's graves.
Fine, rejoice in your isolation but don't complain that you can't get loans or companies from other countries to help develop Argentina.
If you refuse the flights from Chile, the Falkland Islands will simply get somewhere else to fly to/from, as I am sure you realise that it is technically possible to overfly the Antarctic (the world doesn't end there, it continues as a globe to the Pacific) and to fly east or north-east.
And if the Skylon is developed in 10 years time, the Falkland Islands will be accessible from far, far greater distances than now.
I don't think it is true to say that Argentina MUST have fishing/oil exploration treaties with the Falkland Islands, but it is Argentina that keeps banging on about the Falklands being part of the South American continent, yet not wanting them to have anything to do with South America simply for the racist reason that the Falkland Islands identify more with a British culture than a Spanish one.
If Argentina was not a would be colonialist, it would be making money out of the Falkland Islands, as it has a choice to. But if Argentina prefers a poorer economy in the South as a result of refusing links with FI, and is happy for Chile to benefit, then fine.
But currently the only way Argentina will get the Falklands is to try invasion again.
But this is not 1982, and the riposte from the UK to any unprovoked attack from Argentine forces (in order to make sure there are no more) will be more damaging to Argentina than 1982 was.
@88
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you think I don't know that? Its the same rule as Spanish (quedan igualES), I do make mistakes in English as well, which are well pointed out by people here.
I love how you people watch out for every lonely mistake I make in English, or whatever else.
I also love how you pretend to know more German than me. May I remind you:
http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa012901a.htm
And you swore the passive voice is used in German just like in English. As I correctly educated you, German (spoken especially), uses all kind of constructions to avoid the passive.
It still changes not the fact you Brits have no moral center when it comes to treaties.
Francis Baylies made this statement in 1832 did he?
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets see 28 years after Trafalgar and 17 years after Waterloo.
Seems you and he have a lot in come, like jealousy and envy of the British, which both of you manifest in your statements, obviously brought about by defeat and humiliation of both of your nations at the hands of those very same British. Sad really or perhaps that should be really sad.
@92
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? You think Hans Niesund is French? lol
A brit talking about defeat and humiliation to an argentine? Your country was man-shamed by the residents of Buenos Aires, twice.
So in open warfare, we stiill up 2-1 on your sorry little island state, which is barely bigger than my province!
Envy is best defined as a resentful emotion that ”occurs when a person lacks another's (perceived) superior quality, achievement or possession and wishes that the other lacked it.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Envy is what I said and envy is what I meant, the evidence is here for all to read, the above definition is you to a tee.
Oh and if you want to talk defeat I can think of a much more contemporary one, which also involved Argentina and guess what, it occured in the living memory of a great deal of the world current, not historic population. Know what that means, it means they witnessed it. Oh the the shame!
10,000 men, 2 months to prepare, 8,000 miles and you still managed to lose.
@93
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You fool, can you think before you write? You brought up Waterloo and Trafalgar, which are contemporary to that “other” event I mentioned and the Brits so desperately try to forget.
So because I criticize your country for the bad influence and player it is on the world stage, when I point out the UK is not respected and is distrusted by everyone starting by its fellow EU partners, that is envy?
You really have no other argument huh?
And it is yet you Brits, talking about Argentina 24/7 here, in any topic that is not related to the Falklands.
I think it is clear who has the issues here.
Issues? Heh.
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The main point is this is the only english-language forum for issues affecting the Falkland Islands.
As for lost battles, we don't honestly care. As a nation we have so many victories against so many major powers, the odd defeat against colonial untermensch are largely irrelevant.
Whether it's the battle of new orleans in 1815, the parana river incident in 1845 or the battle of Isandlwana in 1879 we ultimately ended up with the greatest social, economic and military empire the world had ever seen up until 1922. Remember who it was who introduced basic industry, the steam engine and rugby to your country?
Compare that with Argentina...a colony whos genocidal expansion and economic growth rivalled the USA until they ran out of natives to oppress. In terms of the arable land you displaced indigenous populations from you rivalled the Americans up until almost the turn of the 20th century. Funny how they ended up taking over the baton of foremost power in the world while Argentina became a regressive, backward basketcase.
Ah well, let's just pretend it's still 1833 and forget you've pissed your country's potential up the wall, eh?
@94
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether it derives from envy or simply your usual knee-jerk anglophobia, it's just wishful thinking to state that the UK is “distrusted by everybody starting by its fellow EU partners” :
“Strong majorities in seven of the eight countries surveyed have a favorable view of Britain, including 84% in the Czech Republic and 83% in Poland. And these views are largely unchanged from 2007. ”
http://www.pewglobal.org/2012/05/29/chapter-4-views-of-eu-countries-and-leaders/
I think it's clear who has the issues here.
@95
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Potential to be like the US? With only 10% of the population?
How many times will I have to laugh of this suggestion that Argentina somehow failed to become another USA? *thank goodness btw*
@96
How coincidental that it is eastern europeans that think so. They know no better, they are like kids that just became part of the west so they like anyone from the west. Why do the WESTERN europeans dislike you so much? hahaha
@97
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 076% in France, the ancient enemy.
But tell me, in your scheme of things, how much is an Eastern European opinion worth, compared to a Western European opinion? 50% maybe? 65%? And I thought you hated all Europeans anyway? Does this mean there's a troll hierarchy among the European bad guys? Pray elucidate ......
Of course, they were isolated for 50byears from your treachery, and furthermone they have been fed the saga that the UK “liberated” them (and not themselves).
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0European opinions are worth to me only when comparing them to other Europeans. To me as an Argie they are worthless, since you will never find an ounce of truth in them.
76 pgerman
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are already connected to the UK directly, as well as via Ascension Island and Santiago. We like the Chile route because we like South America and the friends we have there. Many Falkland Islanders have family connections to South America.
If you go back on the terms of the 1999 Agreement, then we will put in another air link, probably to Miami. We'd rather not but, well, never mind, I think we'll bear it.
97 Truth_Telling_Troll
Sorry, TIT. but you really are an unpleasant piece of work. Now it seems we have to number the whole of Eastern Europe among the people you think are worthless. I know this will be disappointing for you, but Western Europeans don't dislike us particularly. Apart from the ones like you who hate almost everybody.
@97
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Behind the comedy, there lurks a proper bigot.
Hahaha, just hurling whatever to see if it sticks?
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How is saying the Europeans of the ex-soviet states are BENIGHTED. They were isolated from seeing the real UK and thus have a tabula rasa about you.
Give it 10-20 years when the UK insults their countries as it does all countries by saying they are always right and righteous, and then we'll see.
102 Truth_Telling_Troll
Oct 03rd, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where you got this idea that the entire world hates the UK, and that the UK insults 'all countries'. It simply isn't true. UK universities are stuffed full of foreign students who just can't get enough of the UK and everything it has to offer. I shared a house once with 8 people from 5 different countries; they thought the old house we lived in somewhat barbarous, and the weather a little damp, but were entirely complimentary otherwise.
I think you need to broaden your horizons a little. It would do you good. You're sounding like one of those nerdy types with no friends who ends up going to a mall and killing people because they don't recognise their unique genius.
@103
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines don't go to malls and kill random people. When anglos join civilization on such things, you'll understand.
I have no interest in going to the UK or Europe. You have nothing to offer Argentina.
104 Truth_Telling_Troll
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0''You have nothing to offer Argentina.''.....Hmmmm yes, well maybe..it sounds like half a sentence though doesn't it? It should say ''You have nothing to offer Argentina that we want''. I mean, those foreign students are all getting something, a decent education for a start, making friends from around the world, learning how to get along with people from different cultures, accessing great art, music, history and ideas. You might decide you don't want any of those things, but that doesn't mean they aren't offered.
Imagine never never never a tornado fighter of Malvinas usurping southamerican airspace
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that supposed to mean something?
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@106
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you please spell with a bit more care please? None of us have a clue about what you are saying. If you are referring to the RAF in the Falklands Airspace then the only way to get rid of them is to shoot them down, but with what? The Argie airforce is decommissioning some of its last interceptor aircraft. LOL Britannia Rule The Skies!
didnt you once had a problem and needed to land in Chile using our airspace??
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0you should not let those things happen
a very very high mistake
@105
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough. Europe, the UK and the USA have nothing to offer that we are interested in.
110 TTT
Oct 04th, 2012 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see. You don't need information technology or medicine either. Well, good luck with that. I don't suppose we'll be chatting for too much longer once your current computer craps out.
Malen
You're talking like an idiot. Not even your country is going to deny innocent passage to emergency landings and medical evacuations.
high mistake coming from your militarly fortress
Oct 04th, 2012 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0112 malen
Oct 04th, 2012 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, still don't understand a word of that.
@111
Oct 04th, 2012 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0We make our own computers. And even if/when we don't there's Asia.
114 Truth_Telling_Troll
Oct 04th, 2012 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that's why you have massive inflation and an economy heading down the toilet. And the EU are still your main trading partners after Brazil. Oh and look, there's the US at number 4. Oh dear; I wish I hadn't started looking now. It's not looking good for you, is it.
@115
Oct 04th, 2012 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares? You just have 700 million people or 300 million people. There is nothing magical about being “big” trading forces like that. If you take Latin America as a whole then we are one of the world most important trading partners for tons of countries. Whatever.
Look I just don't like you. You see us argentines as inferior, as less than you, as not producing anything of worth in anything.
Does it shock you I dislike people as arrogant as that?
TIT
Oct 04th, 2012 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's another that apt word to describe some of your ramblings.
RESENTMENT.
Resentment (also called ranklement or bitterness) is the experience of a negative emotion (anger or hatred, for instance)[1] felt as a result of a real or imagined wrong done. Etymologically, the word originates from French “ressentir”, re-, intensive prefix, and sentir “to feel”; from the Latin “sentire”. The English word has become synonymous with anger and spite.
Robert C. Solomon, a professor of continental philosophy at the University of Texas at Austin, places resentment on the same line-continuum with contempt and anger. According to him, the differences between the three emotions are as follows: resentment is directed towards higher-status individuals, anger is directed towards equal-status individuals and contempt is directed towards lower-status individuals.[2]
Resentment can be triggered by an emotionally disturbing experience felt again or relived in the mind.
I particularly like the bit about it being directed towards higher status individuals. Whoops, we are back to ENVY again.
I think I might look up the meaning of insecure next.
You keep avoiding the fact that it is you anglos you are barking up Argentina's tree. I'm sure you will say it is not resentment and envy.
Oct 04th, 2012 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the standard you apply to me not applicable to you? That's why I don't like you (as well), hypocrites.
You want to force argentines to like the Europeans, the Brits, the Americans. We don't like you, we don't want to have associations with you, we don't admire you.... why can't you respect that?
118 - nobody wants the rgs as friends, just leave us and the islanders alone.
Oct 04th, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now have a whip round for your Frigate (snigger) that has been impounded due to lack of cash.
@113 Monty...malen is talking about the time the RAF did a photo recon together with an rg defences and sigint test by overflying Rio Gallegos a few years back on the pretext that they couldn't land at MPA due to fog.
Oct 04th, 2012 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The pilots were sitting down to breakfast in PA before the RG airforce knew they were coming.....
Sydney Cotton would have been proud of them...
@102 TTT
Oct 04th, 2012 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot, defined by Merriam-Webster as ”a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance”.
Sound like anyone you know?
118 Truth_Telling_Troll
Oct 04th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are misunderstanding. I don't care in the slightest what you think about Europeans, the British, Falkland Islanders, Americans, Blacks, Jews, Gypsies, or anyone else. You are a racist and a bigot.
I'm telling you that you do not speak for your entire nation, let alone your continent. It just so happens that you have a government that shares your inferiority complex and is using it to lead your country into ruin. I don't take any pleasure in that, although it would like to ruin my country too.
I don't see Argentines as inferior. I see you personally as inferior based on what you say. I would never make the mistake of assuming that all Argentines were like you.
wow TTT you have been a busty boy, multiple post throughut the day and night on numerous articles, I hope maximo is going to give you double rations this week..
Oct 04th, 2012 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0To go back to the original thread, its great that your allies are supporting you jajajajajaa
Dear “inthegutter”
Oct 04th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As regards trade between Argentina and UK I got the following information:
Imports from the UK increased by 40% compared January/November 2010 with January/November 2011. At that period in 2010 Argentina imported from UK U$S 440 million in the same period of 2011 imports rose to U$S 614 million.
Thus, Argentina lost in a year, over 60% of the trade surplus it has with England happened to U$S 274 million in January/November 2010 to U$S 104 million in the same period of 2011
@84
Oct 04th, 2012 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-The British always accuse everyone else of “breaking treaties” with them, because people simply just don't like the arrangement anymore.
I simply point out how ultimately hypocrites they are. They keep showing they want to leave the EU, well, because they don't like the arrangement.-
TTT,
Individual members of the public have said they want the UK to leave the EU. No British Government has said so.
-If the UK was replaced with Argentina, if Argentina even mentioned they may want to withdraw from the EU they would be shouting “untrustworthy! rogues! breachers of treaties!”
The Brits should follow their own rules they demand of others. They signed a treaty to belong to the EU. Leaving the EU is breaking that treaty. End of story they are rogues when they do. -
The EU Treay allows for members to withdraw from the Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union
So the UK would not be breaking any treaty if it left. But as I said no British government has expressed such intention.
29 Conor J (#) No, No, Noooo man! There are 4 Meko 360's and 6 Meko 140's. Everyone with some knowledge of naval technology knows that Mekos are designed for modular modernization and upgrade. There is a need to modernize the fleet and theminister admitted of the intent to modernize instead of purchasing new over a year ago. The ships will be totally renovated, re armed, with German, Israeli, and local technology. The radio announcement also said that the visit is the result of discussions that have been taking place with Germany for some time and included submarine technology. Following the Argentine Government policy of reactivating its ship yards, the work would be done in Argentina in the coming years and would include transfer of technology. Long range anti-ship missile systems will be considered as discussed by Puricelli during his recent visit to China. While in China, Puricelli’s was also briefed on the DF-21D long range coastal defense systems, among others.
Oct 05th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not surprising about Puricelli. He is one of the most nationalists among Christina’s ministers. His previous post was that of head of Military Fabrications. He was responsible for its recovery and modernization, implementing modern production methods in the manufacturing of ammunition and explosives. Argentina is just doing what any country their size would do in matters of its defense, which is quite modest really.
I don’t have roots going back to the UK. Most of the leaders and fighters of the American Revolution were, and see what happened.
I am of Italian heritage my friend. There are two types of Italians you know, those that are and those that want to be. I am the previous and you are probably later. I proudly served my country, and happen to know a few things about ships, I served on one. I have seen war and I don’t like it. I lived in Argentina and visited it several times; I love the culture and know their history, and you are occupying their territory.
We are friends, but you should beha
@126
Oct 06th, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, you're a WOP. That's why you love that well know idiota Putridjelli.
He of the shitty 10 years out of date 'new' AG designed and made (except for the engine, the avionics and countless other major components) that the bunch of AG tossers could only make two prototypes of in 10 years.
Of course. Italian courage; band together and shout how brave you are, on your own shout 'Oh shit' and run away as fast as your little bandy wop legs can carry you.
Met plenty of your type in Southern Italy, got the gist of you now!
@126
Oct 06th, 2012 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Christ mate it takes you a while to reply doesn't it? I'am well aware that Argentina has 10 MEKOS the point is they are shit. I love your enthusiasm for this project when like every other Argentine project it will end in tears, do you remember when this fool Purcielli said Argentina would combine an unporven reactor to a 35 year old submarine design? I don't need a lecture form you on military matters, I know a lot more then you. Those MEKO 360's are underarmed pieces of junk they have no CIWS limited anti-air ability and weak anti-ship ability. And these 4 ships are supposed to be the best in their fleet. As for the MEKO 140's well they are crap as well they have no anti-air ability limited general purpose characteristics and anti-ship abilities carried out with the older worn out Exocets. Not to mention that every ship in the RG fleet is seriously outmatched in every way to RN vessesls in terms of weapons, training, numbers and quality Argentina is nothing. And even if they do upgrade their small escort fleet do you really think they will ever be as good as a type 45 or a 23 or the upcoming type 26? No exactly, oh and FYI were are they going to get the money for these projects? To quote a former Argentine defence chief: “We can only afford to operate a small battle fleet at see for two hours in terms of ammunition.” I mean this is the same navy that has half of all these MEKOS laid up in dry dock constantly rusting. So don't give me Purcielis half baked lies.
Here is some extra reading on what Argentina is up against and how little we are afraid of these Crappy worn out relics of RG Land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier
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@126
Oct 08th, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0But if you reckon these MEKO's stand a chance against even a few RN ships, you can always have a go if you think you're hard enough.
spend!! spend!! on defence while back home everything is falling apart!!
Oct 08th, 2012 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0why do I need a sub or a carrier if I haven`t got money to pay for libraries or help out the OAP or the unemployed....
@130
Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How have Argentina got money to spend on ships when some of their people actually starve cobber?
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