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UK displays ‘red line’ in plan to merge defence giants EADS and BAE Systems

Tuesday, October 9th 2012 - 20:26 UTC
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France and Germany must reduce their stakes in defence firm EADS if the UK is to allow a proposed merger with BAE Systems to go ahead, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has said. Read full article

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  • briton

    You and your red lines,
    allow us,
    Europe
    Falklands
    Gibraltar
    ECHR
    Immigration.
    Merkle .
    Are they red lines.

    Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    I see more shrinking of Britain down to size here. Scottish seccession in 2014, followed by Wales, and then Northern Ireland to be merged with the Irish Republic. No wonder the English are trying to hold on to far off stolen lands for as long as possible.

    Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    we think you misunderstand history,
    for it will ultimatly not be them to gain freedom.

    but those who gave up a country to join a nation.

    Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @2 - Just because you have the gift of speculation it doesn't mean anything you say is or even will be fact. What you say is no different to me saying “i see all provinces of argentina declaring independence from BA” - The sad truth is itys more likely to happen in argentina long before the UK splits up regardless of whether scotland leave or stay.

    Though you will look funny with all that egg on your face when they decide to stay part of the UK. Afterall, there is more spent on public services and state benefits by the UK government in scotland, than scotlands annual economic income - So if they left they would be bankrupt shortly after.

    You really thing the scots will be that stupid? Though i suppose they are stupid not to see that Alex Salmond only used the independence scenario to get voted into power in the first place.

    Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Alex Salmond
    Thinks he is braveheart.
    He is not.
    Like most politicians he thinks only of his ego, rather than your future.

    Two things to remember.
    1, an unilected president awaits, with a name very few even know,

    2, why did Alfred burn the cakes, what was he thinking, and his ultimate goal,
    Achieved only 500years later, so great was his legacy , that Britain became ??

    Night night .
    .

    Oct 09th, 2012 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    This is dead in the water now the EU has said they would become a succession state and have to join the Euro if they wanted to rejoin the EU.

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Santa Fe

    2 - As has been said many a time and i am sure you remember, the rest of the uk would welcome Scotland leaving the UK if they so want. The money we pump into Scotland outstrips its gdp. Therefore we would be better off.

    Its democracy my troll friend, if the majority of the population want it then it must be so. Now where have i heard that one before????

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Boovis

    The last poll in Scotland, asking if they would support Scottish independence said:

    54% no
    28% yes
    18% no opinion/undecided

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    The deal is off.

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • v for victory

    I wonder what will happen now that the BAE/EADS deal is off?

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 Where do you see this? In your crystal balls? As it happens, 2014 cannot see Scottish secession. Any referendum will simply indicate the wishes of the majority of the Scottish people. The United Kingdom is under no obligation to give them independence. In any event, a seceding Scotland would be a very poor place indeed. Despite Alex Salmond's wishful thinking, and that's all it is, an independent Scotland will get what the UK is prepared to give it and no more. Examples: Salmond thinks he can go on using the pound sterling. He can't. The pound sterling is controlled by the UK and the Chancellor has said that the UK would have to have full control over the Scottish economy. Scratch one. Salmond thinks Scotland is going to walk into the EU without an application or negotiations. Wrong again. Barroso has already said so. Scratch two. Salmond reckons he's going to have a ready-made Scottish Defence Force. Still wrong. He might get the men/women if serving members of HM Forces choose to leave and adopt Scottish citizenship. Equipment? Only if it's about to sink, fall out of the sky, has no engines and won't fire. Scratch three. You should read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states . It's very enlightening. In any event, if the UK were prepared to let Scotland go, it would take years to work out all the details. And then the Scots would find themselves cut off! As a non-EU state they would need costly passports and visas. Some of their biggest employers would leave for England. Then they'd need to cater for the tens of thousands of Scots being repatriated. All wanting homes, jobs, welfare benefits. You should also look up some history. Scotland joined with England largely because they tried to compete and couldn't. And made themselves virtually bankrupt in trying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    thats settled then
    dead as a dodo.

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ProRG_American

    Alex Salmond should be awarded a medal for Bravery then.

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    dont worry,
    he will get his cross of iron..

    Oct 10th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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