MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina calls on Ghana to “assume its responsibility” in the release of ARA Libertad
Argentina demanded that Ghana “assumes its responsibility” of freeing the Navy flagship ARA Libertad, which remains impounded in the African country’s port Tema over claims of US funds and warned Argentina could take the case to the United Nations, because negotiating with ‘vulture funds’ is not an option. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment ruleswe love CFK, Negotiation is not an option, let's meet this blood suckers at the international courts. Or else let's forget the old relic ship and build a nuclear defence program 100% made in Argentina.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Argentina needs to do is get some nuclear missiles. For sure.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, please get some missiles so that the US can bomb you back to the stone age ( for Argentina that's about 2006).
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0HEADLINE: Buenos Aires,
Homemade Bomb Blows Up In Boy's Face
Funny how its a uk court order suddenly. Nuclear missiles yeah in your dreams
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the cat and mouse game continues………………..
NML-Capital is getting a bit uncomfortable with all this “Media Attention”….
Vulture funds live a good live in the shadows.. they dislike any scrutiny of their methods…
Last week they “Offered” us to invest a couple of billion U$D in YPF if we just would paid the bail….
Duly Refused by Argentina…..
As we can read today,here at MercoPress, the day before yesterday they “offered” to fly our crew and our many guests back home….
Duly Refused by Argentina….
Mr.Singer & Co.(and their friendly Courts) are getting nervous, indeed…
Let’s see who ends as Tom and who ends as Jerry……….
“No Pasarán”…..
El Think
PS:
For all the brainwashed turnips in here that parrot that “50,000 U$D a day port fee” turnipidity….
Those “50,000 U$D a day” are the ALL INCLUSIVE costs (Wages, Fuel, Food, Medical Care, “Social Activities?” Port Fees, etc. etc. etc) of having the ARA Libertad”with her +300 crew on a luxury cruise for Elite Navy Cadets during a half year…..
Jupppppp….. Quite expensive indeed!
I look forwards to the Argentinean State cutting out those unnecessary expenses in the future…
neither Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya had any nukes and look what happened to them, mean while N Korea, Pakistan, India, Iran and China are leading on with their community and some of them are doing better than UK and USA.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am fine if you people don't support a nuclear defense program in your country, that is your right, but i am in support of one for Argentina, and save your breath i have little tolerance for dictators, bias stand and injustice.
Wow anyone watching the news? Mossad just blew up a building in Beirut.
Argentina better get working on the nuclear defence program we never know when the trigger happy people will aim their guns at Argentina.
@7 Pirat- ALEX VARGAS
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I am fine if you people don't support a nuclear defense program in your country, that is your right, but i am in support of one for Argentina, and save your breath i have little tolerance for dictators, bias stand and injustice.”
Not according to your FACEBOOK page:
www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=332871196758497&set=pb.100001068575678.-2207520000.1350436
I suppose that Timerman's argument will fail or succeed on wether the courts in Ghana recognise the Libertad as a war vessel.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I accept that it is a military training ship but is it (to quote the article) a 'war vessel'?
Also, the crew has not been detained. They are free to leave.
The court will decide I expect.
They will invest 2billion to recover 20million. Wow, what type of economics would you call that! how about, CRIMINALY INSANE.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0take note anybody considering investing in Argentina, this is how hard it will be to recover even a fraction of your cash.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0this action is to recover a small proportion of the interest due, won't reduce the overall debt.
Ah yes but, no but, there is a new economic tactic to recover the debt, give them more money. Simples, can not think why nobody came up with the idea before. This could revolutionise Inernational Economics, I feel a Nobel Prize coming someones way.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman should keep it simple, get the 20.000.000.00 $ receipt the vulture originally demanded for ransom and forget the relic outdated ships to push for a 100% made in Argetina nuclear defence program. In less than 10 years every major power will want to hold meeting with Argentina. If Iran and N Korea didn't make every nation see that! chances are they will end up like Libya or Iraq.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0#8 are you still stalking Argentine guys? Give it up dude that obsession with Argentine guys is going to kill you.
i think the next move will be YPF related, as it's mainly owned by the govt. its assets, monies due etc. could be vulnerable. How about inbound gas shipments, paid for by Argentina.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0This boat will just be used to cover some of NML's expenses but sets an important precedent.
“a luxury cruise for elite naval cadets”
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ a 100% made in Argetina nuclear defence program”
titter-ye-not
Any nuclear bomb made in Argentina will be 100% Argentine i.e. 100% explosion and no effect.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think Argentina need nuclear weapons with the amount of political fallout going on in CFK government. I wonder if her government policy is based on the three stooges
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once again Argentina refusing to accept reality.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I like this bit: “In this context Argentina is expected to press on several articles of the Convention on the Law of the Sea which establish that non commercial vessels are protected by sovereign immunity and thus are free of impounds and embargoes.”
Unless, of course, the applicable country waived its sovereignty immunity on such matters in order to secure loans.
This bunch of muppets running Argentina are amateurs, and they show it everytime they open their mouths.
Oh, PH. Twenty million dollars won't buy the plans for a nuclear missile, let alone any of the actual nuclear material, parts, expertise etc required to actually build one.
But even if Argentina had a nuclear weapon, what would you do?
Let's put FANTASY MODE on:
Argentina has a nuke. They threaten to Nuke Ghana if they don't release your ship. The UNSC immediately tell you that any nuclear attack on Ghana wuld be responded to in kind?
But you do it anyway and nuke Ghana, despite the fact that your ship and crew are still there.
Then what? You sit back, slap yourselves on the back for a job well done.
Then one day you'd look at the window and say, what's that heading straight for us? Then the world around you would suddenly boil to about 3000 degrees Celsius and the skin would melt on your body, and your eyes would fry in their sockets. Then the blast wave would hit and you, the building you were stood in, and everything around for kilometres, would be obliterated. Then the implosion would occur, and everything would get sucked back to ground zero.
No more Pirat-hunter. No more Argentina.
FANTASY MODE off.
That would be the type of retaliation Argentina would receive if they had a nuclear weapon, and were then stupid enough to use it.
And who would be nuking Argentina in response to your nuclear attack on Ghana?
The USA
The UK
France
Russia
China
Take your pick.
Argentina needs to grow up and pay its debts. So do you PH.
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea:
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Article 236
Sovereign immunity
The provisions of this Convention regarding the protection and
preservation of the marine environment do not apply to any warship, naval auxiliary, other vessels or aircraft owned or operated by a State and used, for the time being, only on government non-commercial service.”
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/closindx.htm
So far so good for Hector.
Argentina's bond agreement :
“To the extent the Republic [of Argentina] or any of its revenues, assets or properties shall be entitled … to any immunity from suit, … from attachment prior to judgment, … from execution of a judgment or from any other legal or judicial process or remedy, … the Republic has irrevocably agreed not to claim and has irrevocably waived such immunity to the fullest extent permitted by the laws of such jurisdiction…”
Oh dear.
What does “irrevocably waived such immunity to the fullest extent permitted” mean in Argentina?
I am beginning to wonder about P-H. He is a great supporter of Timmerman whose every move seems to bring CFKC embarrassment and ridicule. Now he wants Argentina to launch nuclear weapons in the full knowledge that if they ever did the world would retaliate. P-H doesn't live in Argentina and has never voted for CFKC and he proffers a plan that would make Argentina a nuclear waste ground.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think he is playing a cunning plan. He must really hate Argentina and CFKC.
Ghana is just tool !
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should find them who behind this country. !
For: 83 redpoll (#)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re: Mae hen wlad fy naha-dau..etcetera.
THE WELSH IN PATAGONIA.
Yes, I know your history–even the juicy bits that recount the sojourn of Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid amongst your community –there must be summat in our bad Celtic blood that attracts such unsavoury characters!
But you forgot to say that –just a few years ago, the Welsh language had become so infrequently used by your young generation– you had to ask the Welsh government to send you some volunteer teachers.
I’m afraid my Welsh ain’t much cop. For the want of a better word, I was ‘educated’ at Hereford, Harrogate and Oxford and much to my regret –when I was a child– the British Establishment was still doing its best to erase our ancient tongue from the face of the earth. Thank God, things have finally changed for the better!
Pob Luc!
For: EVERYONE.
WHO’S THIS ALEX VARGAS FELLOW?
So much hot air in response to this man’s unimportant utterances. From his Website, I see he can’t even spell in Spanish! He’s makes a simple mistake, common to the undereducated (DEVO, instead of the correct DEBO –in English ‘I owe’)
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
During my service in the Korean War, I was evacuated to a U.S military hospital in Hiroshima, a city in Japan which had not yet been rebuilt after suffering an ATOMIC ATTACK some 6 years’ earlier. Only a RAVING MANIAC would wish such a TERRIBLE RETRIBUTION upon even his bitterest enemy!!!
Talk about the ‘Chattering Classes’. So many members of this Group act worse than ill-bred school kids –their discourse being one of childish insults, ignorance and intolerance of all who don’t concur with their own outrageous, infantile ideas!!!
I’m about ready to give-up
Cheers!
Jim, in Madrid.
I dont know anyone who was Korean War fighter ,~80 year old who is living in Spain .
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Alex Vargas lives in Canada. He left Argentina at such a young age I doubt Spanish is his first language. He supports, but has never voted for the government of Argentina and has never visited since he left. He is obviously extremely unhappy with his life in Canada so devotes time to weaving a fantasy about a country he doesn't really know but feels some distant attachment to.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The nuclear rants are just infantile born out of frustration.
Don't give up. Let the childish stuff go over your head because there are some very relevant and interesting posts in amongst the diversion tactics. : ) Just a suggestion.
22 JimHandley (#)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:51 am
Jim. I think you might have got your articles mixed up bloke.
@21 - Lightthink
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dare you to go up to a Ghanaian man and call him a tool.
If you do you'd better look out because he would beat your sorry arse and knock you into next week.
I find it funny that Timidman talks about responsibility when the government he represents refuses to accept any.
I find it amusing that Think, in his bizarro reading of a situation can come up with the exact opposite reading of what the rest of the world sees going on with any given situation.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This must be from overexposure to the fantasy world that most Rgs live in on a daily basis.
I think it is funny he is here trying to peddle that non-sense though.
It is sad and pathetic and I feel sorry as their worldviews come crashing in on them just as their economy tanks.
This is why they are all so bitter and envious of the USA UK EU.
Sad sad sad creatures.
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Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lep
I didnt read the article.
I dont interested on gossips.
Timerman said that the impounding of the naval vessel is an “illegal action” since it violates rights of all countries because war vessels have immunities which Ghana recognizes and abides in the different international conventions of which she is signatory.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you remember this Mr Tinman :)
@28 - lightthink
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are not interested in gossip why do you post on this forum? If you didn't read the article why post at all?
FYI lightthink, If you call someone a tool it's the same as calling them a W@nker, a prick, or other similar insult.
I've met people fom Ghana, even worked with a few. They're built like brick privies. And that's just the women, the men are much bigger.
So once again I dare you to call a Ghanaian a tool to his face.
I have great reverence for his father, who was a very noble and courageous man. Hector Timerman however is one of the most useless, inept, corrupt and stupid members of the close circle that adores (and fears) the mad empress with no clothes. If the ship ever is released, it is my sincere hope he'll be aboard as a special guest to interact with the entire crew.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Pirate Hunter
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Greetings from Iran. I have been following your wise words with interest.
There a many areas of mutual interest between our two great nations.
Of course there are present difficulties, but Argentina’s acceptance that the AMIA Jewish Centre Bombing was a Zionist/British conspiracy intended to discredit our honourable nation – should remove any hindrance to full and fruitful relationship.
United we can defeat the hegemonic evil of the UK, and become a leading world power block.
I read that your President Fernandez (a Niqab would suit her so well), also wishes to rid your country of the filthy US dollar. A currency linkage between our two nations would create a powerful reserve currency – you will see the rial is performing as well as the Peso.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/international/iranian-our-money-is-becoming-more-and-more-worthless-every-day
Your desire to achieve a nuclear capability is noted. You will be aware that Iran is presently enriching uranium, but I emphasise that as a signatory to the NPT, and being a member of the International Atomic Agency, we are acquiring this technology for peaceful purposes only (wink).
The below link may help you in your quest, but we have acquired the last items presently available.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/international/iranian-our-money-is-becoming-more-and-more-worthless-every-day
PS If you require assistance releasing the ARA Libertad, from the Zionist vultures – we have just renovated our Soviet submarine renamed Al-Colander.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/international/iranian-our-money-is-becoming-more-and-more-worthless-every-day
PPS. I see on your Facebook page that you follow RT. Why not follow Press TV for independent truthful journalism – no unpleasant reader comment from Zionist lackeys like here. Possible problems with reception in some areas.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/international/iranian-our-money-is-becoming-more-and-more-worthless-every-day
How dare you try to interfere with the function of a properly constituted court.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman deliberately lying yet again, as knows full well that the court based the seizure of the boat on the fact that Argentina had wavered her immunity.
6 Think
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:- “ARA Libertad” with her +300 crew on a luxury cruise for Elite Navy Cadets”
I say
Elite Navy Cadets? You mean the escapee's from the local asylum ?
What navy? that's 3 ships out of action for impounds or repairs...... The only “Navy” you'll have left is two men in a row boat.
What a Turnip!!!! Chuckle, chuckle
There we go again “ARGENTINA DEMANDED!” when will they ever learn, their demands get them f*ck All, and if argentina believes their rowing boat is a “WAR” vessel then it proves that they are still living in the past, and would explain their outdated,colonial and expansionist ambitions.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess being flipped the bird by ghana is too much for argentina to handle, tough titties. Its all good!
I hear there are also women on board ship, crew comforts on the luxury cruise !
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/10/19/argentine-ship-held-in-ghana-causing-political-fallout-in-argentina/
They can whine, stomp their feet, bang on the table all they want but no matter what the UN says or does has no bearing on the court system of Ghana.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the same denial Argentina is currently using not to pay the judgements form ICSID since there were no judgements in Arg courts they fell like they don't have ot pay. Even though when they signed the contracts they waived portion and SAID THEY WOULD ABIDE BY the ICSID.
Liars
Thieves
Scofflaws
They want to have it both ways again
I don't think it will happen though
USA wants to embarrass and box them in
maybe go so far as to let them crash and burn
teach them a lesson on who is boss
seems they forgot
It is rather amusing to read that our dear neighbors will be arguing that some sections of the Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) have been broken when they themselves are breaching it in their rather inept attempt to blockade our country. Oh well, just another “normal” day in the South Atlantic
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Professor J. Peter Pham's article, excerpts in Ghanaweb:
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What made the country [Ghana] attractive for investment was that it offered potential partners a legally binding assurance that any money they advanced, whether through loans or investments, would be repaid and a credible judicial remedy was available in the event that things went awry; having provided for these two necessities, it is no wonder that Ghana brought in nearly $8 billion in foreign direct investment (FDI) last year.
In contrast, Argentina—a regional power in its South American neighbourhood with twice the population, twelve times the GDP, and eight times the foreign exchange reserves of Ghana (more than enough to pay off its overdue debts many times over)—received just $7.2 billion in FDI last year. This sharp contrast is understandable when one considers that Buenos Aires has been something of a deadbeat with its obligations since it underwent the largest default in history in 2001, one involving some $100 billion in bonds.
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/features/artikel.php?ID=253706
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Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could say us what is the meaning of Farsi word “” BIM “” .
Jim,
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I used the example of the Welsh colony as an example of how any agreement to respect a culture and way of life made by Argentina is worthless. I would agree about the standard of debate. Oxford? Dry bob or wet bob??
Yes, reminds me of the time Argentina impounded a US military plane on training mission for Argentina, hmmn,..not to long ago.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What comes around goes around,.. Argentina.
@32 love it lol
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you people the most racist on Earth towards Argentines? I think so, read the comments here.
What agreeement with the Welsh? The welsh were left totally alone, if they choose to keep their culture or not is their problem.
The hatred of of all of you for Argentina is trully zapping your brains. How sad but how fun.
Look at all the comments here, all of them talking how pathetic Argentina is, but yet they spend 24/7 of their precious time talking about a pathetic country.
You can't make it up
We are al waiting for the spectacular economic crash and maybe a few heads on pikes.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gleefully waiting am I
not too long now
“You can't make it up”
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you do.
32
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you find the meaning of “” BIM “” from internet translation !
@45
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From what I am told you have been waiting since 2007. So no, you are a loser that has wasted 6 years of your life. Sorry, not my fault those are the facts, loser.
2007? I don't thinks so but I didn't anticipate the theft of Anses funds, the unconstitutional theft of BCRA funds, import restrictions...hmm what's left to steal...nada.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus the expected ( in the budget) WB and IDB loans won't happen in 2013
What's left but inflating the peso..
that's all there is
“2007? I don't thinks so but I didn't anticipate the theft of Anses funds, the unconstitutional theft of BCRA funds, import restrictions...hmm what's left to steal...nada.”
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahaha. Let his own words speak for themselves.
yet still no return for argentinas flagship, diddums.......
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Georgy, what is left to steal?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Ks added in U$15-30 Billion a year in stolen funds to make it look like the economy was doing well but now there is nothing left the illusion is broken...what do you do? What do you do?
Hmm I wonder if 3x the lithium is helping her get through the day?
I don't' think so.
I don't talk internal politics with foreigners when will you foreigners process that. I'm only here to push back at the insults against Argentina. Not to talk about the Falklands which are British individuals wanting to remain under their rules.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 052 yankeeboy
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If TMBOA is taking all that lithium it's no wonder her eyes are lighting up like flames, and I thought that was her temper!
LOLs
I'm just responding to your posts. Maybe you should stop posting or will you not be able to eat then?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear the chefs in Argentina are preparing lots of menus and recipes for barley.
MMm mmm barley soup, barley bread...yum yum
@55
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have Romnesia? Where have I EVER TALKED ABOUT INTERNAL ARGENTINE politics?
Never.
You are always the one bringing it up.
I don't discuss internal politics with US-Americans, UK-Englishmen, Eurounioners, etc. Sorry, don't have the priviledge.
Oh no Internal Politics, like the wheat export ban? Or Import ban? Or travel $ ban?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0None of those?
What else is there?
I love talking about the inept dare I say delusional policies of CFK.
Yeah delusional I will go with that.
We can talk about how they thought about coercing a politician to strong arm a judge is appropriate. I know that's how it works in a failed democracy... er um dictatorship...but not in a civilized country. No not in a civilized country. Do you think those Ministers will lose their posts? Do you think they might have a terrible terrible accident or maybe one of their kids?
Probably.
#42 what was very different, was how the US State Department quietly and politely negotiated with the arrogant and ridicoulus Argentine authorities to allow the USAF plane to finally depart. It had been sent to assist Argentina.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A less wise American administration might have taken an opposite approach and made an international scandal.... Perhaps special forces or and embargo... But instead they just used quiet diplomacy and spoke softly...
58. They should have shot that boob as soon as he tried to come on the plane. We would have 1 less idiot in the world.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It had been sent to assist Argentina.”
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wink
still no news of the return of argentinas legally seized flagship, nevermind.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(60) Tobias
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the son (Hector) was looking for one of his father (Jacobo) most “vivid memories” at that plane….
A black bakelite contraption with two wiggling electrodes at the front and a little shiny aluminum sign riveted at the back that read.... :
Made by GE
Chicago
Illinois.
Bakelite for military use in the 70's? I think he must have been a little disoriented from the electro shocks.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that get passed down a generation? That could explain a LOT!
Think: Very good comeback. You drew blood on that one.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Different airplane and different despicable dirty war. The Americans used waterbarding much more effectively and continue to research for other methods. (The worst outside the “civilized” world are the such as the narco gangs in Mexico, who murder entire families to extract informers.) Then of course, because of their special secret security laws is the DGSE and the FSB, that make the Americans look like idiots. You and I both know the Americans were promoting sales of American security equipment to Argentine law enforcement agencies. This was all budgeted and spun as training assistance.
So what is on the menu in your abode this evening?
(64) Chicureo
Oct 20th, 2012 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was thinking about some of my very own Sweet/Hot Chili Upland Goose Teriyaki with Surinam Rice........
But, lazy as I am ,I'll surely end trowing a mutton leg at the barbie…….…
@1 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Say goodbye “Libertad”.
@7 And you'll be returning to argieland to “assist” in this “defence” program?
@13 I have a new option for you. A stainless steel stake with a thread. Then you can spin round and take your last view of the world!
@21 All argies are tools! What's your problem?
@28 Then STFU!
@31 A sacrifice to the gods!
@33 “Wavered”? “Waived”!
@44 What's the matter? Upset are we? Like we give a fuck? Glad you find it fun. I hate using offensive language, except when justified, but have you thought of getting a JOB?
@48 1982. Invader. Occupier. Beaten shitless. Surrendered. Lies. Whinges. Whines. More lies. Cowards. Liars. Genocides. Murderers. Torturers. Did I mention genocides? More invasions. More occupations. More murders. More torture. Crucifixion. Burning. Garroting. Theft. More theft. The history of argieland. Did I miss out tyranny, dictatorship, colonialism, imperialism, trespassing? On the plus side they are all faggots, queers and butt-benders.
@53 But then you're a prick. What would a prick know?
@56 Of course you don't have the privilege. Argies can't discuss the internal politics of argieland. You're not allowed. Disagree with CFK? Have a thought not dictated by CFK? Shit in a small bucket so it spills over the sides and splashes on your shoes. Argie internal politics = dictatorship and tyranny. Argies are faggots. There are no quarrels about that.
@65 Once a faggot............
isn't it funny how rgenweener blames everyone for thier own shortfalls, blames anyone with a military for being power mongers, blames everyone for trying to sort out Iraq (which may i say they were part of the blockade against), Libya, and now syria, which because of china and russia (supposedly rg's friends)people are dying by the hundreds everyday, but at the same time continues with the threats, rhetoric and bullshit against 3000 people who just want to be left alone. One word springs to mind ...PATHETIC. You can argue all you like but at the end of the day you whittle on we want we want, and the truth of the matter is you will get nothing but scorn, kick TMBOA out now before it's to late, and save some dignity. And all you trolls that live outside rgenweener go home and make your mouths go instead of on here, or are you to scared, or realising you bailed out at the right time and would rather be a keyboard warrior and enjoy life instead of being a part of the clusterfuck that is CFK and her policies, anyway enjoy.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NML is a scumbag vulture fund that uses the Cayman Islands to avoid legal and tax issues (“a [tax haven] that has been denounced by the G20 and the UN”). 93% of all bond holders have accepted Argentina's repayment terms, but not the crybabies at NML. Thy don't want to pay taxes but they want the courts to help them when they get in a bind.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For: 23 LightThink (#)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re: “I dont know anyone who was Korean War fighter, 80 year old who is living in Spain.”
And I’m sorry not to understand what it is you wish to tell me.
Kindly elucidate!
Cheers!
Jim.
@68 - Tompaine
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what then is Argentina?
A country who borrowed money, promising to pay it back, then refuses. That's stealing. So NML try to recoup some of their loses from Argentina by sending in the bailiffs.
Argentina is an unremitting debtor, who had flouted international law and just plain common decency to repay money that was loaned to them in good faith.
Argentina needs to accept that this situation was brought about by YOUR government. The same government that REFUSES to accept ANY responsibility for its actions. It's always someone else's fault, isn't it? In this case NML and Ghana's.
Well Argentina shouldn't have borrowed the money if it couldn't pay it back.
You have sown the wind, now reap the whirlwind.
Think: I had enough mutton in the service to last me forever... (Lamb I enjoy)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sweet and hot goose teriyaki sounds delicious. Would you serve it with a lighter bodied red wine? Or something else, like a pilsner?
@68. You seem confused. All bond holders had the choice of negotiating OR NOT. Argentina owes the full amount and if some were prepared to cut their loses and accept less, that was their decision. But the bond holders demanding full settlement are perfectly entitled to do so. They are not doing anything illegal. Argentina refusing to pay IS breaking the law.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You might not agree with NML but if you want to talk morals, you need to look at CFKC and her blatant illegal and immoral activities.
@70
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yeah? So London 2005 was well reaped, correct? You make the population bear the consequences for their government's actions.
So you agree with the terrorists then. Good.
“Are you people the most racist on Earth towards Argentines? I think so, read the comments here.”
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite a few are, yes.
Having said that, they do appear to be in very good company with some extremely xenophobic Argentines who dont reserve their contempt for just one race, but see every other human as lesser beings and contemptible simply for not being Argentine.
A well-met group...just a shame they drown out all the sensible discussion with their personal petty conceits.
@68 Tompaine is a scumbag argie wanker. No honesty, No integrity. And the proper response is 42 million bullets between the eyes. The end of 42 million argie war criminals.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong.
I dislike strongly foreigners who come here and talk down to us like their countries have no moral skeletons, has never engaged in wars of agression, and obey international all the time, even when not convenient to them. If there foreigners were humble, there would be no problem
Since all foreigners here can't keep their supercilious mouths zipped, and are not humble, then yes I don't like them much.
It's not me who dislikes everyone, it just happens that everyone here behaves in a way which makes them undeserving of any respect.
To an Argentine talking down to others and treating them like they, at best, are shit on their boots or, at worst, don't exist and therefore can be ridden roughshod over, comes as natural as breathing. As does claiming to be the injured party.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look in the mirror scum suckers and wind your necks in.
“We Brits don't generalized”
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another myth just debunked.
@76 you really don't get it do you..............oh well one day you'll wake up and smell the coffe, hopefully it won't be to late, enjoy your delusional dreams
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 066
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0indomitable juggernaut Conqueror !
All Argies are tools , whats my problem ?
well
they might be...if you show us who they are ,we'll be glad.
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J.H
We'll be glad if you explain your comment 22 in detail.
@73 - Tobias
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the duty of a citizen in a democracy to hold the government accountable, to criticise them, to demonstrate against them and if necessary to vote them out of office.
Argentina is a democracy (so the Argentine posters on here say) so it is the duty of the citizen to protest against the government.
It is also the duty of the citizen to accept responsibility for what the government does in it's name.
Argentina doesn't appear to do responsibility. Face it, your government borrowed money, and to do so it waved Argentina's sovereign immunity rights. Tough, accept responsibility for what your government did in your name, and complain, demonstrate and admonish them
They are ultimately responsible for everything that happens regarding Argentina, whether internally or externally.
If you don't like how they've been running things then vote them out. It you can't wait that long, demonstrate and demand that the President and government resign.
You see citizen's of democracies enjoy untold freedom, but with that freedom comes responsibility.
@68 where do you think argentina's governance keeps their money?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(71) Chicureo
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My days of Cru Classé's and most other ethylic niceties are over……..
I seem to have lost the taste for them, quite recently……..
Luckily, besides being astonishingly cheap ;-) …… water does open a whole new universe for the degustation of food…..
I’m still hooked on smooth Speysides though.......
Cutting them with the local waters can be an “Erlebniss”……
this is the start of something big, the boat is only around 2 percent of the monies owed, just a distraction, the proper cash has got to come from somewhere, the other funds should be gearing up too.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting times ahead certainly.
Timerman said that Argentina retains “all its options before international tribunals open, and if necessary will appeal to the United Nations, but negotiating with vulture funds is not and will not be one of those options”.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0........Famous last words?
We will see if this pretty little speech comes back to haunt Laughing Boy Timerman if TMBOA is forced into ( yet another ) embarrassing U turn.
'Alicia Castro on Malvinas: “The British public is divided”'
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.infonews.com/2012/10/20/politica-43844-alicia-castro-por-malvinas-la-opinion-publica-britanica-esta-dividida-islas-malvinas.php
'The government denies it, but the Church does not let her talk to Cristina's Basilica Itatí'
http://www.infonews.com/2012/10/20/politica-43844-alicia-castro-por-malvinas-la-opinion-publica-britanica-esta-dividida-islas-malvinas.php
'“This is a winning decade for all Argentines,” said the President in Corrientes'
http://www.infonews.com/2012/10/20/politica-43844-alicia-castro-por-malvinas-la-opinion-publica-britanica-esta-dividida-islas-malvinas.php
NML et al may consider going for the Aerolineas planes, roughly priced a used Airbus A340 is around $50m. Now if they could repossess a few of those they might start to make inroads into the debts.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a great solution as it's a high maintenance operation but it's a start.
How's this for a hypothetical scenario.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Argentina refuse to pay the bond so the Ghanaian courts seize the Libertad and award it to NML is lieu of the $20 million.
2. NML hires a crew to sail the Libertad back to the US for auction.
3. Argentina naval forces (suspend your disbelief and stay with me folks) intercept the Libertad, take the ship by force and spirit the ship and crew back to Argentina.
4. The US condemns Argentina for an act of piracy against a US owned vessel and dispatches ships to establish anti-piracy patrols in the South Atlantic.
5. The UK contributes ships offers the military facilities in the Falklands as a base for South Atlantic operations.
6. All Argentine ships in the South Atlantic are declared legitimate targets for US/UK warships.
7. The rest of the world piss themselves laughing as the UN security council have to explain to the Argentine delegation that it seems there are pirates in the South Atlantic after all........but it turns out they're Argentine!
@32 - Steve-32-uk
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro is like all Argentine politicians prone to making wildly inaccurate statements.
There may be a small minority who couldn't give a fig about the Falklands, but most would support the islanders right to self-determination.
I wonder what prescription medication she is on? Whatever it is they need to increase the dose.
76 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh bless you, little lamb.
Did some one tread on you Ego??? “But it's not me........It's everyone else....”
Stop being so pathetic and grow a pair will you?
“If there foreigners were humble, there would be no problem” Yes I know..... did what they were told, thought what you wanted them to think????? GROW UP!!! You are such a sniveling, whinning piece of s**t. really you are.
“It's not me who dislikes everyone, it just happens that everyone here behaves in a way which makes them undeserving of any respect.”
Oh dear, play the victim, always play the victim!! I think that it is you who are undeserving of any respect.
77 War Monkey
Nice one. tell it like it is!!
@86 I can assure you the British public is not divided about the Falklands 99.9% are behind the islanders and CND are who? Another deluded statement from the ginger trolly dolly bless her, makes her look stupid AGAIN, but that seems to be a trait for rg politicians
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 088 Lou Spoo
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Love it, afterwards, the film rights will be sold and it's Hollywood all the way baby!!!
LOL
@79
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I get it perfectly. You hate, I simply react to hate. So the hating, and I'll vanish.
@81
“Argentina doesn't appear to do responsibility. Face it, your government borrowed money, and to do so it waved Argentina's sovereign immunity rights. Tough, accept responsibility for what your government did in your name, and complain, demonstrate and admonish them.”
So again, you are accepting responsibility for the Iraq war? Therefore you are stating the terrorist attacks of 2005 were legitimate, because you surely as a country have done NOTHING to take responsibility for that war. No, a stupid protest in 03 doesn't count.
If debts are to be burdened by the people, why not war crimes? (a far worse act).
@90
I guess someone didn't like the truth spelled out to him. Don't get that mad.
93 Toby
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If debts are to be burdened by the people, why not war crimes?”
People spend money, not war crimes.
78 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos (#)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:18 pm
.........and I quote.......
“Since all foreigners here can't keep their supercilious mouths zipped, and are not humble, then yes I don't like them much.”
If you generalise, we generalise. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
If you don't want a fight, don't start one.
@93 Professor Catastrophoulous
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come off it, Tobias, you are quite the most obsessive hate-monger around here.
But fortunately with your Iraq war analogy (dumb though it is) you've put your finger on an excellent opportunity for Argentina to take the moral high ground. For, while it is too late for anybody to undo the Iraq war, Argentina still has the chance to honour the agreements it entered into, and settle its debts.
And just think, that way, you will also get your ship back, and the hostages your government has stranded in Ghana.
What are you waiting for?
If
If it is legal to arrest an Argentine Navy ship for debt in Ghana it is just as legal to arrest ARA Espora in Capetown.....
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0KFC really is living in 'interesting times'
'93 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos (#)
I get it perfectly. You hate, I simply react to hate. S(t)o(p) the hating, and I'll vanish.'
Giorgio .... you are a wonderful chap.... now fuck off!
that ship ain't never going back to Argentina that's for sure. Why don't they take it already it is obvious argentina isn't paying.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0time for payback has started, at long last.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Argentinian govt. are only being forced to do what they originally promised to do.
@surfer
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0too bad they're out of cash. Only way to recover some of the losses is to confiscate property i think, i'm not a expert though.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519145-fragata
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like the ship is in Ghana for the long haul. I wonder if Argentina will be stupid enough to riase this using their position on the UN security council.
TWIMC
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well…
It has just been officially announced that:
1) The crew of the ARA Libertad will be immediately repatriated.
2) The Captain and a ”minimum crew” will remain on board to attend the ship.
What did I write some 20 days ago?.......:
”In the implausible scenario of not being freed; I expect captains Salonio and Allievi to:
1) Select a small volunteer “chore force” to remain on board.
2) Insure the safe return of the rest of her crew and guests to their respective Countries.
3) Scuttle her in the most effective way, exercising utmost care of not damaging or endangering Ghanian property or lives.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/10/02/mla-summers-tells-tanzania-falklands-don-t-want-to-be-colonized-by-argentina
@102 Think (#)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:16 pm
Your powers of futurology are exemplary. Give yourself a pat on the back.
One question though. What has the link got to do with it?
@94
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are smart! So taking your analogy to the next logical conclusion, since I can't “spend a life”, I can kill you and walk away a free man forever. Afterall, you can't spend murder.
Nice one Einstein.
@96
And who was the country who elected an idiot to give us lesser ones the chance to have a moral ground? If you at least arrested Blair... but not even that.
I was thinking why him and W Bush got along so copasetic. W Bush was a conservative (war monger) who loved to spend like a leftie, and Blair was a leftie (spend spend spend), who was a war monger.
Man, your countries are paying for such a nefarious combo now.
Try again.
@102 You didn't need to be Willy the Wonderdog to work out 1 and 2....
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0#3? The raft of charges he would face would be impressive...... he wouldn't be going home for a long long time.....
@1
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, the USA will eventuallly pay dearly for dropping those two bombs in Asia.
Remember that the Asians, their time-horizon is hundreds of years. They will make the Americans pay, and they've told me as much (and the US government knows it too).
Arrogance by having nukes and opressing the rest of the world with them will come back to bite them (really, to swallow them whole, just look at what happened to the poor idiots for supporting some rag-tag called the Taliban in the 80s... ouch).
@106
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you actually know which country the U.S. used 2 nuclear bombs on to end WWII, or just that we bombed “Asia”?
I know it was near Guam.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You could have “ended” WWII by dropping a couple of them by the sea in front of the imperial palace, could have made the point that way. At least it would have given you moral cover to say “heck, we warned you”.
You didn't even try, and the world will never forget. Which means, you are screwed (well, likely your grandchildren are).
Which country is it that is going to remember this atrocity against them and pay the U.S. back for it?
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some. Asians are collectivists with a time horizon of centuries. They'll come around to it.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, that is not of my interest. Back to topic.
I think someone in government caught wind of my idea. Ghana want to play “we follow the law” game? Fine. I hear mass deporations of the thousands of cast-away west Africans in Argentina whom arrived in barges over the last 10-20 years is coming. All of them to be dropped by the Ghanan Supreme court.
Illegal immigrants, it's the law.
@110
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could you tell me more about these Asian “time horizons” of centuries?
No, because I'm not Asian. Ask them.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@112
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you West African?
No.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol. World Bank president? S Koean-American. Germany's finance minister? SOO Asian. They LOVE how relatively more-well managed countries reward their talent -it's NUMERACY.:D
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@110 Giorgio... look we said you were a wonderful bloke so why don't you just fuck orf like you promised...
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think many east asians shed a tear over Hiroshima.
A bomb in front of the imperial palace? Good idea .... lets drop one in Pto Madera... out in Rio de la Plata may be a better plan though .... it would bring about regime change and mean no more dredging for 100 years or so... a win win situation...
Good for you. Luckily for us, Argentina was no part of the world financial system. We are increasingly removing ourselves from it if you haven't noticed by kicking the IMF out, soon the WB, and the rest. Freedom from the machinery of domination.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 02 TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS SPONSORED BY THE PRESIDENT OF ARGENTINA CRISTINA FERNANDEZ DE KIRCHNER
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0LA CAMPORA & VATAYON MILITANTE
LA CAMPORA - a semi military style terrorist organization that is led by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's son - MaximoKirchner. It is named after former a known Argentine terrorist of the Peronist political party former president Héctor José Cámpora. Although it was established in 2003, it became politically influential after the death and state funeral of Néstor Kirchner. Maximo Kirchner used money that his father Nestor Kirchner left him in his will to further the organization and take part in expropiations of private property, the oil company YPF, which Argentina expropiated (stole) from the government of Spain, and Aerolineas Argentinas also expropiated (stolen) from the government of Spain. The airline is going to be renamed “Aerocamporas Argentinas” by the end of the year.
VATAYON MILITANTE - The Argentine government under Cristina Fernandez de Kircher and The Argentine National penitentiary service, takes inmates out of jail without judicial permission, to attend and participate in political events of Kirchner. The prisoners are paid an “allowance” of $2700 per month for joining this political group. The creation of this Vatayon militante group which are CONVICTED AND INCARCERATED for everything from murderer to armed robbery is becoming the Kirchner government's militant force of the future. If things get rough for Cristina, these prisoners have nothing to lose for defending the Kirchner movement with violence. They also have access to guns and drugs, and prostitues all courtesy of the Kirchner government.
See these documentaries to see the scary truth as to what is going on in Argentina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
I'm kinda excited about it.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0My Arg loved one's dream is to travel the world. Which means he”ll be able achieve his dream through what the U.S. offers and come HERE :))
@116
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regime change into what?
@119
Last time I checked, the so-called “American dream” as as alive as Methuselah. Can't keep your dams plugged, your roads paved, and your bridges erect.
Did you know that the immigrant that arrived in the USA in 1920 was out of poverty within his generation? Now it takes at least two generations, and some estimates since 2008 indicated they won't get out of poverty.
Your “loved” one (surely not argenetine), will stay poor for a long long time.
@ 104 Truth_Telling_mickeyMouse
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So taking your analogy to the next logical conclusion, since I can't “spend a life”,”
You are spending your life applying false logic so yes, you can “spend a life” - Nice one Einstein.
Now tell us, Tobias, what is the origin of the word ”?
@121
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well enlighten me, how do you spend murder? You seem to have experience.
The fact you hold countries who owe money to stricter standard of crime than those that commited war crimes is all I need to know about you anyway. You are the same as Lepicron and many others here.
War crimes? nah, don't hold anyone accountable.
Some 20 billion? GO get em, nukes and all!
Please don't be surprised why Argentines have no respect for your values as countries.
@ 121 St. John
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you referring to the origin of the word “colony”?
According to Toby the Romans invented it 2,500 years ago on the expectation that Cristobal Colon would sail to America.
And how would you know “Toby”? I thought everyone here being Anglo-saxon and all were full of probity and never used clones.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely brilliant 88 Lou Spoo. An unlikely, but plausible scenario. LOL.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”“Wrong.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dislike strongly foreigners who come here and talk down to us like their countries have no moral skeletons, has never engaged in wars of agression, and obey international all the time, even when not convenient to them. If there foreigners were humble, there would be no problem”“”“”
What is “here”? You mean MerconPress forum? or Argentina?
hmmm...anyway.... seems to me that the same could be said about you and yours. (just saying)
“”“”Since all foreigners here can't keep their supercilious mouths zipped, and are not humble, then yes I don't like them much.“”“”“
Well there is nothing like a supercilious statement to show up others being supercilious is there!?
As I said; some people here have a, predisposition to xenophobia, dont assume that everybody does just because it suits your current argument: as well as inevitably being wrong its also....supercilious and anything but *humble*
”“”“It's not me who dislikes everyone, it just happens that everyone here behaves in a way which makes them undeserving of any respect.”“”“
Everyone huh?
Really? ”EVERYONE?“
and, I'm ”wrong“..?
I think you have just conclusively shown that I was most certainly correct...but, brushing that aside for now.
I imagine that you end up getting treated the way you treat others... if you are going to keep coming out with statements such as ”everyone etc etc“ then ”everyone” will assume that position anyway...so why bother coming here (mercoprass) and posting at all? You have already made you mind up about everything and everyone, so what IS the point?
If you are completely closed off to EVERYONE, having written them all off as supercilious foreigners, then what, “Pray tell” (did you like that bit of irony?) is your personal definition of Xenophobia that precludes your automatic inclusion within its sorry halls?
Im not seeing much in the way of enlightened authorship from anybody here.....
News wires: “Immediate evacuation 300 crew members-Only the captain and 26 will remain - includes sailors from Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and South Africa
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The judge also refused to allow the ship to be refueled, leaving it without power to maintain essentials.”
Think: scuttling a tall ship in port will solve nothing, except bring dishonor. I truly feel sad for the captain, but I confess enjoying the show. I can hardly wait until the press get interviews with some of the cadets. (I also expect the admiralties will order everyone to keep quiet... but many will talk.)
Congratulations Ghana! As for CFK and Timmerman there'sk an old saying... “when a monkey climbs a tree, they show their arse every time...”
It took roughly 18 days for the Argentine government to think about evacuating the crew members !! Priority 1 the ship, Priority 2 returning the ship, Priority 3 the rum, Priority 4 the crew.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0126 Anbar : you wrote in the middle of your comment...
Everyone huh?
Really? ”EVERYONE?“
and, I'm ”wrong“..?
I think you have just conclusively shown that I was most certainly correct...but, brushing that aside for now.
How can anyone possibly reply to that IF you not press the submit comment button ??
For 80 LightThink (#)
Oct 21st, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0In reply to my message a propos the aftermath of the nuclear attack on the Japanese city of Hiroshima...
You said:
“I dont know anyone who was Korean War fighter, 80 year old who is living in Spain.”
Is this is a bald statement of a fact, so simple that it’s hardly worth your having taken the trouble to make it???
Is it a sarcastic expression of incredulity???
If neither, what exactly DO you mean???
Thank you!
Jim Handley, in Madrid, Spain.
(127) Chicureo
Oct 21st, 2012 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Belive me......... I'm enjoying the show more than you…..
This is turning into a total “Win-Win” situation for Argentina.....
1) We get rid of an anachronical symbol of the undeserved privileges of our Armed Farces.
2) We get rid of a ship that leeches the Argentinean State for some 15 million U$D a year. Do you know how many rural schools 15 U$D million would pay for in Argentina......? Many…….!
3) Internally, despite the best efforts of the “Grupo Clarin” this episode is educating us Argentineans about the true nature of the “International Financial System” and uniting us against its most nefarious effects and intentions.
4) Externally, this episode will show the rest of the world that Argentina in particular and South-America in general is not ruled by self-appointed administrators of Hedge Funds and Banks but by elected politicians with valid plans, ideas and aspirations for their respective Peoples and Countries.
5) I don't feel sad for the Captain of the Libertad...
Not at all…..
As a matter of fact; I do envy his position!
He has the historical chance of becoming the first Argentinean officer in AGES to do an honorable thing….....… Let's hope he grabs it...
I wouldn't hesitate a second.
Have a nice Sunday
El Think
Pay Up!
Oct 21st, 2012 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Negotiations fail and ordered to evacuate the crew of Freedom
Oct 21st, 2012 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0In a surprise announcement, Timerman said there are no guarantees for seafarers, spoke of an international conspiracy and predicted that tomorrow will present the case to the Security Council of the UN'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1519271-fracasan-las-negociaciones-y-ordenan-evacuar-a-la-tripulacion-de-la-libertad
Ghana 1, Argentina 0.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In this context Argentina is expected to press on several articles of the Convention on the Law of the Sea which establish that non commercial vessels are protected by sovereign immunity and thus are free of impounds and embargoes.”
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0See how they wriggle!! like a worm on the end of a fishing hook!!
It would appear that in the eyes of KFC and laughing boy Timerman “Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others”
It is a typical sentiment I hear in Argentina. They like the idea of laws as long as they don't apply to them.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although much venom is aimed at the so-called “Vulture” funds they do provide an important service. By tormenting defaulter nations they make the default option less appealing for governments in trouble.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Snce it (Argentina) mistrusts the impartiality of the local magistrate. what a laugh!
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the Argentina judiciary are there any impartial judges/magistrates?
But the stupid argies cannot even get his status right.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a Ghanaian Law Lord.
Subject only to the Ghanaian Supreme Court, who rightly, only interest themselves on matters of the law itself, NOT the semantics of a case - that is what the judges do.
I know I am speaking a foreign message to AG, but they do need to grow up and stop behaving like drunken tarts on the international stage.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Was it not Timerman himself that impounded and unlawfully withheld an American war plane last year? Yes it was.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a war plane, did have immunity? Yes it did. However America has not debt arrears, therefore no court injunctions for its assets to be seized.
Argentina's Assets, whether military or not are securities against their debts which they defaulted on or refuse to pay. Therefore they lose the right to immunity under international law. Just like people lose the right to keep their own home if they default on secured debts or refuse to pay.
Also as far as am aware Argentina has no state assets in the UK so nothing here that they can seize from Argentina.
Though i love how Timerman said the Ghana court acting on an injunction granted by the UK and made no mention of the fact it was an injunction granted in the US, not just the UK. So clearly a bit of spiteful finger pointing towards the UK as a ploy to further increase Argentine citizens hatred of the UK.
And as for the UN - Lol what planet is he on, as the UN does not interfere with another countries legal system when it is acting in accordance with international law and is a fair and just legal system.
No one dares to answer my question, why are debts more immoral than war crimes?
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you can't, I repeat, terrorism as on September 11 2001 and July 5 2007 is completely justified.
@140
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0?
I want to ask a question about the $50K/day harbor charge. This bill is adding up and will, in the end, be quite large.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever it's final amount, CFK will write out a check to get the ship back, but she'll cancel the check afterwards, right?
@141
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All you on this website state with glee that the Argentine people are responsible for the government's actions vis-a-vis the debt.
So why do you not understand that terrorism is a legitimate response to the actions of your governments towards the civilians of the middle east? Or did you think you are above the law?
TTT desperate attempt at distraction.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@142 I think CFKC has to deposit the money before the ship is released. No cheques.
NML have offered to settle the port fees, I think. This is not about profit for NML, the 20m is a tiny amount of the debt owed. It is about forcing Argentine to take responsibility for the money it borrowed and make an effort to pay it back. It also sends a clear message that anything not nailed down outside of Argentina will be seized.
@140
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably nobody's answering your question because a) nobody ever did claim that debts are more immoral than war crimes b) it is a stupid question anyway and c) everybody knows it is just a typical troll attempt to divert attention away from the main point at issue, which is Argentina's attempt to convince the world that signing an agreement waiving sovereign immunity doesn't actually mean you've waived sovereign immunity.
Then how do the UK and US pay for their war crimes?
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you self-police?
Did you have others bring you to justice?
How do any of you suggest you pay the consequences as a people for the actios of your government?
Call it distraction, but it is the crux of the legal question that you all push with such élan. You all want the people of Argentina to bear the burden, and consequences or unpaid debt.
Why is it therefore such a problem for you all to then use the same logical argument and conclude that your war crimes in the middle east which your governments pursued, are to be redressed by you, the people?
Glib answers like@145 “no one is comparing debts to war crimes” do not suffice. None of you have been capable (either literally or consciously) to provide specifics as to why if this “moral ukase” applies to arrears (the people “pay” the price), it does not apply to what are even more abominable bellicose transgressions... or to elucidate why following this logic of retribution are terrorists not justified.
None of you have, because none of you can't without destroying your hateful attack line against Argentina viable. If you all argued that crimes commited by government with people's tax money is not transfearable morally to the populace, then much less could you argue that debts incurred by such a government should be beared by the people at their expense.
That is what it comes down to. You cant outwit my observation, and that's that.
Nice try.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the unfortunate difficulty for you is that there is no relationship whatsoever between Argentina's legal obligations to its creditors and anybody else's (alleged) war crimes. Or in other words, the coalition invasion of Iraq no more absolves Argentina of its debts than the Mongol invasion of China.
It may not, but it completely justified jihadist retalation against you. See, either way, you can't hold Argentina's people to one standard and yourself to another (immunity). If you argue the people must suffer for the debt, then you must also suffer for your wars. If you should not suffer for your wars, then we should not suffer for our debts.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple moral question. And it is this elegantly stated relashion which renders the postings of every SINGLE anti-argie here as abased hypocrisy.
No way around it.
146 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!
Ok then Lets talk about war crimes then shall? LIKE painting a red cross on ammo dumps, soldiers barracks and cook houses.
War crimes like leaving uncharted mine fields strewn all over the Falklands
War crimes like leaving hand grenades in the desks of SCHOOL CHILDREN!! are those the the war crimes you are on about?
As for the so called “war crimes” that the UK and US have suppostedly commited:-
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/ArrestOfRoyalMarinesAnonymityOrder.htm
See? we take these things seriously you weapons grade idiot if they are found guilty then justice will be served.
But these were “crimes” done in “war” ( hence the name ) who in Argentina is going to speak out for the 30,000 people that were “Disappeared” by your government?
as for:- “You cant outwit my observation” PLEASE!!!! two planks of wood could outwit you and a goal post.
@148
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus H. Christ, does your grasp of logic not even encompass cause and effect? The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan occurred AFTER the jihadist attack on the US.
Yet you haven't been able to. All you did is deflect the issue with the most pathetic acts of stretching reality in the history of Mercopress.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(assuming they are true), painting red crosses on buildings, did that kill innocents?
Your link proves your pathetic lack of courage. As typical with anglo mentalities, you arrest the underlings but never the top brass. How many scandals have ocurred with US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan? Yet the only ones ever to be held accountable are contemptible privates and perhaps some underperforming sargent they wanted to get rid of anway.
Never a commander, much less a vice-general, or a civilian politician.
You have no morals, just admit it.
151 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Giorgio, Giorgio, Giorgio!!!! More “projection” I see.............. just insert the word “Argentina” in that last post......show and tell again.
151 TTT
Oct 21st, 2012 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British officers die with great regularity as they are often deeply involved with their troops, politicians might get away with immunity but the men in the field suffer along with the rest of them! It would have been easy for Argentina to arrest their entire officer corps as they were still all alive and well.
153 Zhivago
Oct 21st, 2012 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TTT / Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos / Gaol Gook Riotous Is (his anagram)
Poor old TTT. He will never understand the British, even though we made AG number 7 in the world in the 1900s. And he will most certainly NEVER understand fighting for ones comrades of every rank.
Since then of course the bastard Peron and other morons and of course the prostitute and latterly the Peronista look alike light, The Kirchener Dynasty, have well and truly ensured that the poor stay that way whilst revering them as gods.
No one can help these poor, deluded fools.
151 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 21st, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(assuming they are true), painting red crosses on buildings, did that kill innocents?
What do you mean assuming they are true?
Ok so you have just shown complete lack of knowledge of the falklands war. I notice that, by the way, you didn't deny the one about the uncharted mine fields and the leaving hand grenades in the desks of school children.
Second, were any Argentine Generals, tried for those war crimes? Cause if the Argentine government “overlooked” them then they are, as you say just as hypocritical as you are
Third, why should I care about how many scandals have ocurred with US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan?
and Finally..... You're showing us again through your outrage.... You yourself are angry with yourself at the failings and corruption in your own government. ...... I thought it was just you being a t-wat but now I see. You are angry at everyone because you are angry at your government but don't know how to properly express that anger.
I am here to tell you that it's ok. If you just admit to yourself that's what is going on in your head then we can get started with the healing process.
@ 153 Simeon pudrido
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA IS THE WINNER!
The ship don't worth nothing!
@154
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You did? How? Haven't you disavowed and renounced all the evil the UK did during that time?
Or, let me guess, you once again try to have it both ways, take credit for the “good” (of which your mention of Argentina is not one of them, you had nothing to do with it), but then wash your hands of the bad as something comitted by your great-great-grandfather???
No you can't have it both ways.
@157
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha.
Sucks to have no counterpunch to the truth huh? ha ha ha indeed, you are brit, thus not worth my time.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@157 - Tobias
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British accept responsibility for all acts, whether good or bad. We don't try to rewrite history to suit our own needs, and we act upon crimes committed in the past by British Forces, even if those acts occurred nearly 60 years ago.
We don't believe that the British Empire was a completely good thing, but neither was it the completely evil thing that you try to make out.
The British, like all people, did bad things, but we also did good things. We don't pretend to be saints and if we disagree with out government, we'll bloody well let them know about it. In other words, we are not adverse to criticising our government.
You, however, Tobias constantly try to ignore the bad things Argentina has done in the past or try to blame someone else for them. For instance, you are always blaming Europeans despite the fact that Argentina committed the most bloody acts after independence from Spain.
You perceive any criticism of your government as a personal attack, and react with outrageous comments, some of them extremely racist.
Argentina, meaning the Government, needs to start accepting responsibility for everything that happens in Argentina. That does not relate to something necessarily being their fault, because blame and responsibility are two different things.
So, for instance, the government of Britain accepts responsibility for things that happened during the time of the British Empire, even though it was not their fault, as in they weren't born at the time.
So, when your government refuses to accept responsibility for the Falklands Invasion, it shows how childish they are. No one is saying it is their fault, but it is Argentina's responsibility.
The first step in accepting responsibility would be to apologise to the people of the Falklands, for the acts that the Military Junta did in the name of Argentina.
Until you do Argentina will not be respected by the international community, and hypocritical to slate Ghana when you refuse to take any.
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Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0161 Sussie
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sell your pasteles or you will be beaten when you get home, stupid little cunt!
159 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So if, by your own words ChrisR is “you are brit, thus not worth my time.” why do you continue to post on this forum?
Why do you “waste your time on here then?” This sounds like a cry for help. What is it son? Is it that you are not getting any attention at home and so the only way you can make yourself feel better is to go on line and insult and confront total strangers?
That's it isn't it? you haven't got any friends have you and your parents either don't lsten to you or don't understand. You can't relate to your peers and the only way you can reinforce you fragile ego is to make up lies and misinformation.
For you to say that and then to carry on posting on here why, you must so desperately need attention that to not have the internet must be like cutting an arm or a leg off.......
Ok then. Lets get started shall we? what is your favourite body of water and why?
”Mr Ernest Kofi Abotsi , also a law lecturer at the Ghana Institute of Management and Public Administration (GIMPA), added that Argentina must understand the issue “has nothing diplomatic about it.” He stressed it is Ghana's judicial process that is working and Argentina must respect that. Kofi Abotsi believes Argentina “may be just testing the will of Ghana to see if we will back off” and release the ship.”:
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=253937
@164 lol oh i bet Ghana is quaking in her boots, after all what have they to fear apart from a a few Argentine politicians making themselves look like clowns on the world stage, as per usual.
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@163 toooldtodieyoung
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, if TIT were a paid troll, that would account for all your questions of motive.
How else could he spend all day on here?
Why else would he have unwavering support for CFK, every action, every edict, every policy, no matter how untenable, and never, ever criticise his Peronist government?
Why else would he defend deflect distract deceive dismiss disinform every issue raised with Argentina, and do his best to discredit any party/people/ideology/principle/action, that does not support his gov't position?
TTT/ GOT etc. has no mind of his own, and is paid solely to refute and disrupt any debate or argument pro- US/UK, or anti- RG.
Additionally, he is paid for his groundwork sowing disinformation to undermine later arguments or deceive other readers of this site, and likely, others.
The danger is, If these false statements go unchallenged, other Internet users may accept them at face value, without the true story.
Naturally, most readers on here, know that by now, the ongoing war of propaganda and disinformation...
Aparently CFK is sending the mighty argentina navy,
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0minus the 3 that are already laid up..
This ship really has only historical value. Plus it is a god school for training sailors on the real challenges of the sea. Most navies no longer invest in these types of ships, despite their beauty. The US Navy does not even have one for training, with the exception of the USS Constitution, which is anchored in Boston Harbor as an histrical mark. The US Coast guard has a training ship which is German built and a WWII trophy. Given that it has no material value, Argentina can just place its own historcal value and just bill Ghana if the ship is damaged or lost. $300M for starters I would say. It would ore than cover a replacement.
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@168 PRo Sussie
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weak tenuous link LOL !
Is that supposed to intimidate anyone???
Just as an exercise, how would you enforce that demand ???
We all want to hear that argument. :-)
@168 - 300 million dollars lol, you really think Ghana would pay it and you would get your ship back? I don't think so, its a stalemate pure and simple and only way you will get your ship back is by paying up.
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well?
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We could tell you how to get it back,
Nah, that would be helping you guys,
Oh sod it, ok,,, but don’t tell anyone or we may get in trouble,
1, secretly approach Airfix industries,
2, make a scale modal replica,
3, sneak in at night and swap it over,
4, hey presto, by morning you will be long gone,
4, just hope no one notices at all ??
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and still....... argentina havent got their ship back :) tick... tock ....tick...tock.......going once ......going twice.......Sold!
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@120 Ah, THERE'S ur comment!!!!! ;) Hahaha
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I like that you've demonstrated that you haven't left your borders.
A professional can reasonably expect to make $2,500 a month on arrival to the U.S.: Ar 14.000 pesos a month at light blue, more or less.
My Argentine-American roommate was making $5,000 a month at age 26 :) She got the job with her beautiful Castillano.
168@ it's not the ship, it's the humilltation, LOL
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