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Second Argentine Navy vessel retained in Africa
A second Argentine Navy vessel remains retained in Africa, although this time because of mechanical problems. So far this month the Argentine navy has suffered the ‘loss’ of three of its units: two corvettes and the training frigate ARA Libertad. Read full article
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Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't be much left - crossing bodies of water seems to be too much for them...
A military excercise? In an area of peace? The UK shouöd formally protest at this blatant militarising of the south Atlantic.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 BooVis
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do we have any friends on the UNSC???
Time to get rid of the floating things they are good for nothing better to invest in state of art Missiles development and nuclear subs.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0What I want to know is, did it go Whooosh? while it was on excercise.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rolls Royce turbines????
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Parts??
Sub standard coal, always causes problems, ask Guzz.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why has it taken so long for them to find spare parts: elastic bands are readily available.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet they are having a look through the ship breakers for parts meanwhile i bet they are crapping their pants waiting for the boat to be impounded
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry? What was that?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina conducting military exercises in the South Atlantic?
CALL THE UN!
I'm outraged and demand Argentina stops this blatant military aggression!!!!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good old Dany suggests building nuclear subs. Good luck with that Dany, if you cant even keep a very basic old school warship at sea, what chance would you have with the most complicated bit of technology in the world?
I bet the Royal Navy is quaking in its boots at the moment about the thought of encountering the immense Argentina Navy!
So the Argie navy managed to decimate itself without anyone even shooting at it.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason they where on the excise was to practise running away and they do it so well
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if they need new parts they can always buy the from Rolls Royce. However they would have to pay up front and in US dollars, Euros or Sterling.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peso's are definitely NOT accepted by the business community.
Wasn't it not long ago that ProARG Pretend Yank was in here boasting about how Argentina was going to have all it's ship refurbished and upgraded?
Well that looks like another pipe dream. I mean if they can't afford to maintain their ships now, they won't be able to afford the upgrade. And even if they did manage to upgrade, it looks like they'd not be able to maintain them properly anyway.
Where is indomitable juggernaut Conquerer. !
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8 Room101 (#) Classic
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha HA HA and I thought that Pro-Argie American said that the Argie navy was to be feared, I guess I have proved him wrong again.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0So 3 ships are out of commission, what do they have left the coast guard? An ice breaker?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their Air force has no planes and the Army has no bullets.
I think it is time Chile seriously considered taking all the productive farmland, oil fields and mines.
I don't know why they are waiting.
I am sure the USA would be fine with it.
Don't you just love it????
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0TMBOA will really scweem this time, oh-oh, she's already sacked most of the top officers and the others have run away and hid!
And how many rowing boats have they got left.
Ha, ha, ha.
I have been thinking, maybe the argies are after our peat. They want it to run their navy.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0This really is hilarious ........
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 LEPRecon
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0This will be their eventual “upgrade” - upgrading from badly-maintained ships that are old enough to vote with engines that don't work to the new improved badly-maintained ships that are old enough to vote with engines that do work until we stop maintaining them again (so as soon as they get back to Argentina).
Bring on the rubber bands and tin openers...
11 Xect
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The submarine arm of the Royal Navy have always said that “there are two types of ships, Submarines and 'targets'”
Maybe that's why they don't venture much into the South Atlantic these days.......... The 'Targets' are few and far between.......
Argentine might! HAAAHAAA-Hahahahahaaaa Classic!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe the answer for argentina is to go back to sailing ships as defence, less things to breakdown, fkin losers.
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Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For all I care of warships... But still, coal??? They aren't bloody steamships... And loosing a generator means not enough current for some operations, has nothing to do with either construction or fuel...
@25 Guzz. getting your feathers ruffled are we :) ?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The cuts made to argentinas forces and the inevitable reduction in maintence leaves argentinas vessels unable to even start or finish friendly exercises, how embarassing to its people, and to this day Argentina still want to invade THE FALKLANDS? with what? air inflated sunbeds? i doubt they would even be able to heave anchor let alone make it to the islands.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina are as effective as a runny fart.
for the worlds sake! it's good that they are ineffective.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how things sometimes have a habit of biting one in the arss.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not to long ago CFK was complaining to the UN and Britain that the British are conducting military excersises in the South Atlantic noe they themselves are doing it though rather badly by all accounts. three ships down and that is in training.
Reckon we could show them up with our token force of patrol boats right now.
Come on Chile grab your chance give them a good kicking while they are down after all that is waht Argentina does to it's neighbours. They only pick on the defencless.
it does bite them in the arse a wee bit, but we would not go to the UN and complain like a child. ha ha.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 That`s the point, you moron.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina does not want to invade anything...
So why are you militarizing the South Atlantic? To defend the invaded islands from whom? Argentina`s mighty army and its allies, the terracota warriors?
you are just a tossa, we are on defence, ok. we are not the attackers and never have been, you are the rapists and thieves, you invaded us.... remember.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wonder if NML can get this one too, if only for scrap value.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 031 glad you never mentioned your navy or i would have had to call a ambulance for laughing too much
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 I don`t remember Argentina going up north to invade the UK. Maybe that`s a chapter in history I never read.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do remember British invasions to Argentina: 1806, 1807, 1833, 1845.
What do you mean you never invaded us but we did?
Argentina was invaded in 1806, 1807 ummmm there was not an Argentina then tossa!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 I meant navy. And I was beiong ironic. If you haven`t noticed...
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 You have read history books, its clear. So you know about British invasions.
that still does not justify invading us!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have read history books, its clear. So you know about British invasions.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No they where just early type package holidays
@38 I never justified anything.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You`re saying we invaded you but you never did invade us.
All I`m saying is that you`re a little confused.
@39 Jo jo jo
@40
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wait until next time your bunch of losers, laughingly called your military try the trick again.
Read Carlos Ecudé, 'The Case of Argentina' if you want to see the real history of your country and what will happen next time.
Chris
Oct 20th, 2012 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you read “Las venas abiertas de America Latina” by Eduardo Galeano.
Then listen to Mario Benedetti's “Un padre nuestro Latinoamericano” to fully comprehend what you are up against ;)
How are they going to pay for these repairs? Not in pesos surely
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#6 The four modern German constructed Argentine destroyers are limited to coastal duties as all are powered by Rolls Royce turbines that we poorly maintained and average only 20% of rated capacity. The six German designed, Argentinian built so-designated smaller corvettes are powered by German diesel engines, I reported were in a terrible state of repair due to negligence and corruption. The three German built diesel powered submarines are strongly rumored to have been neglected as well. Saying that, the Argentinian Navy is far better prepared for war than the Army and air force. The small corvette participating in on a peaceful international mission was the BEST they had to send. What can be said?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Masts & Sails, much more reliable. Selling some in Ghana.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 So why are you militarizing the South Atlantic? To defend the invaded islands from whom? Argentina`s mighty army and its allies, the terracota warriors?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We aren't you numpty these military personel have been there since 1982, can't think why that is can you? The ships that deploy to the South Atlantic have been doing so since 1982, can't think why can you?
I reckon HMS Edinburgh should make haste to South Africa tie up adjacent to or alongside ARA Espora and laugh at regular intervals en masse
This is how desperate the anti-argies of this board are. They make fun of Argentina's lack of military (I guess they are not really for peace, since to them military strength determines your worth as a person or society... how comtemptible), but then if any sign of remilitarization happened, they would all be crying and screaming.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So we lose or we lose. Except that we don't. The Brits, Chichureo and company have once again proven you can't debate with mentally deranged haters and zealots. Which is why I don't even try. I just dish the facts.
Dish the fact yet provide no back up...are they really facts?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think not...
@47 well thanks for your input, you wouldn't know a fact if it came up and slapped your face, you say we're desperate, well heres a fact Britain has not increased it's military in the South Atlantic for years, in fact the deployed ship spends less time there than they have in years as it is combined as South Atlantic / West indies guardship, here's a question how much time did HMS Dauntless actually spend in the South Atlantic when you were all getting your knickers in a twist, why suddenly complain about exercises in the Falklands, which have been carried out every year for 30 years? Without a squeak from your mob, no one ever mentioned or bothered about militerizing until CFK started to lose the plot and her people, so the blame lies squarely at the door of Rgenweener for this present situation, I remember this is what happened last time and resulted in me getting sent to the Falklands war, and you wonder why you get grief. This time will be extremely different though it will be over before you know it, and your tails between legs once again
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 - Tobias, Giorgio whatever you're calling yourself today.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say, “you can't debate with mentally deranged haters and zealots.”
Well you're the most racist, hateful person on this site. You accuse people on here of things that you yourself are guilty of. You hate the British, the USA, Europeans, Africans, Chinese the list goes on.
So I guess you're right we can't debate with mentally deranged bigots such as yourself.
As for the reason we mention your military being weak, is to remind the mentally deranged bigots on here that the Argentine government is a toothless tiger, and a toothless tiger that doesn't seem to realise that it's toothless. Your government constantly threatens and demands things from other countries with impunity. Your Goverment believes that international laws, rules and regulations only apply to others but not to Argentina.
Maybe you think that doing these things make you seem powerful, but in reality it doesn't, it makes you look weak and pathetic.
Not having a strong military doesn't mean that a country won't be respected, it is how that country behaves in the international community that will decide if they are deserving of respect or not.
Maybe one day Argentina will get a government who puts the well being of all it's people first, and use Argentina's vast resources to help all Argentines. Help improve education, transport, health provision, policing, infrastructure and other things. Using the money from Argentina's resources to help the people instead of lining their own pockets, and those of their cronies.
On that day, Argentina will gain far more respect from the international community than all the sabre rattling, crying, lying, whining, and stamping your feet will ever do.
The big question is will Argentina take up this challenge to improve it's own lot in life. The 1st step is for your government to start taking responsibility for Argentina, instead of constantly pointing their fingers at everyone else.
@49
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did I say you can't play Ship around the Falklands. Do what you want.
We don't have any agreements with the Falklands or with you.
My statement stands. Besides the fact that bragging about militaries vs Argentina when your countries are so in decline in other areas (which will eventually affect your military), is laughable. I tell this to the other Latin Americans in another forum as well because all other countries in LatAm have been buying shiny weapons, and are flaunting it at Argentina.
That shows the insecure twats they, and you are.
We don't need a military to feel like our penis is average.
Oh but you would all be insulting us triple down if Argentina began to militarize. But then you insults us all the time so it must be just plain emotional insecurities.
@4 Good idea. Turn them into floating sewage works. Oh, they already are. Full of shit. Otherwise known as the argie navy.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Me here. Waving this kukri. Designed to remove argie balls. If we can find any. I gather argie genitalia retreat at the word “Gurkha”. Is retreat better than surrender?
@25 “bloody steamships” Quite right. Not much chance of “blood” on an argie “warship”. “Shit” is quite possible. Seen in 10 foot high mounds when a British vessel is sighted.
@31 You haven't got the words quite right. Instead of saying “Argentina does not want to invade anything...” You should be saying “Argentina can't invade anything...” Not that we'd believe you. Argies don't know how to do anything except lie. I favour blotting you from the planet.
@35 Strange. Do you have a problem with the concept that when you attack or take warlike actions in an overseas territory of Britain, you are attacking Britain? Attack the Falkland Islands? Take a warlike action in Gibraltar? If you had the brain of a legless termite, you would know that in 1806/7 you faggots were the property of Spain. In 1833, you cowardly, faggot trespassers were kicked off British territory. And, in 1845, you surrendered, as usual.
@40 Do you understand the difference between “Spain” and “argieland”? No “argieland” in 1806/7. You were “property”. 1833? Cowardly, argie, trespassing faggots being kicked of British territory? How do you figure? 1845 Battle of Vuelta de Obligado Argies get asses kicked. Again. It's a fairly regular scenario. 200 years of being useless, faggot cowards and you still don't get it?
@47 A faggot is a faggot is an argie. I'd suggest you were a wanker except you wouldn't know where to find it. “The Brits, Chichureo and company have once again proven you can't debate with mentally deranged haters and zealots.” You want to read that and understand it? What a totally incredible, stupid, uneducated moron!
@31 really moron, is that why argentinas defence minister only a few months ago stated if it wasnt for UK forces they would already have The Falklands (uninvited means invasion), silly billy you forgot didnt you, easy mistake for a moron to make. but i forgive you, but please tell us how great your navy is.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51 wrong again The MoD now has a fully-funded equipment programme with a planned £160bn spend on kit and support over the next ten years, including £5.5bn on new and upgraded armoured vehicles 12 new frigates and final tranch of typhoons bring the total to 160
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha. I had forgotten about Obligado all these months that I've been here. Thanks for that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vuelta_de_Obligado
YET ANOTHER BRITISH (and FRENCH) attempt to ignore Argentina's right as a country? I thought you were stand-up people that respected other countries. So you decided that you could sail through our waters without any recognition by us?
“The combined fleet suffered the loss of six merchant ships during the later engagement.[4] Therefore, the Anglo-French victory did not achieve their economic objectives. It proved to be practically impossible to sail Argentine rivers without the authorisation of Argentinian authorities.[12]”
”The battle had a great impact on the continent. Chile and Brazil changed their stance (until then they were against Rosas), and supported the Confederation. Even some Unitarian leaders, traditional enemies of the Argentine caudillo, were moved by the events, with General Martiniano Chilavert offering to join the Confederacy army.[8]
France and the United Kingdom eventually lifted the blockade and dropped their attempts to bypass Buenos Aires' policies. They acknowledged the Argentine government's legal right over the Paraná and other internal rivers, and its authority to determine who had access to it, in exchange for the withdrawal of Rosas's army from Uruguay.[13]”
And I thought the friendly peaceful UK was owed by us argies because you recognized us as a country? (lie, proven here).
So, another war of Agression by the UK and France against Argentina? Humiliated again in the end huh? Just like the Spanish were when they tried to retake Argentina in 1813 and were also humiliated? I see Europe is accostumed to trying to take over Argentina or disregard our sovereignty and finding ignominious defeat instead. I guess we are not Mexico (whom you did invade quite a few times, once again proving European pathetic mores).
Lots of English ships are coral reefs due to argieland huh?
@55 and the point of that mince you just posted is what?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Europe has no morals. You are arrant inferiors.
“delusions of grandeur” ??
Oct 20th, 2012 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please continue how you are superior to europe, very interesting.
@55 - Tobias
Oct 20th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just what do ny of your racist deluded rants have to do with Argentina's ship needing new engine parts?
Why od you always refer to the past? Are you ashamed of the present?
You constantly go on and on about things that one set of people who are long dead did to other people who are long dead.
Strange. One would think that you didn't have a valid argument or point of view, so keep returning to trying to disrupt the thread with random inane racist comments.
@57 Well i bow to your superiority.......................NOT. Morals Haha Obviously CFK is the most upstanding and moral person in the stratosphere, we'll see when she does a runner with millions in her bank account and leaves rgenweener in a world of hurt..........................oh sorry you already are. You are inferior to pond life mate
Oct 20th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NML is a scumbag vulture fund that uses the Cayman Islands to avoid legal and tax issues (“a [tax haven] that has been denounced by the G20 and the UN”). 93% of all bond holders have accepted Argentina's repayment terms, but not the crybabies at NML. Thy don't want to pay taxes but they want the courts to help them when they get in a bind.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59
Oct 20th, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This coming from you moron? Who says we should pay debts from 20-30 years ago?
So debt is an eternal arrear, but debt from killing and conquest is washed away with the generation that pursued it, that's what you are saying?
You make me want to vomit.
#61. The media in the USA reports that both Obama and Romney have blind trusts managing their savings/pensions that are partially managed through the Caymans. All very legal and with beneficial tax advantages. There are several countries that are accused of assisting in illegal banking which includes Luxembourg, Monaco, Panama, Bermuda, BVI, etc...
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NML is operating completely legally and upsetting the Mad Empress without clothes, who prefers her banking in suitcases from Tio Chavez....
Oh so legal = right. Ah.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So slavery, good with you, as long as the law permits. You really are losing the plot with your latest postings.
so there were no slaves in rgenweener then? hence the statue in Bummers airys
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NML investors should lose their money. I don't know of one American who didn't lose money in the great Republican depression of 2008. Stockholders at GM and people who lost their ass on a mortgage brought on by scum bankers and vultures like NML. Loaning money to people who absolutely could not afford to buy a home. Bankers bundled the bad debt with good debt and got rating companies to rate these investments as triple A. These types of investors have almost brought the entire world to its knees.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 Guzz
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0978-0-85345-990-3 Las venas abiertas de America Latina - The open veins of Latin America costs (used) USD 73 for a history lesson going back 500 years.
I would not read a book about English history that spanned 500 years.
It's no wonder LatAms are so hung up with the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas) going back to the early 1800s.
When Chavez gave Obarmy a copy the next day it went from 55,000 or so in the list of best selling Amazon books to No 2. Sorry, to tell you this it's back down to 28,363 and given the flowery language and using 40 words when 10 would have done (I managed to find a see before you buy copy) I bet OBarmy hasn't read it either.
The synopsis talks about foreigners raping the land (namely the Spanish and Portuguese – your predecessors) up to the Americans and their stupid attempt to control the southern cone by subversive force.
At 334 pages of this stodgy tome, Uruguayo author or not, it is never going to happen. Perhaps when I can understand spoken Spanish better I will listen to the poems.
@62 so if i have debts from 20 years ago ie a mortgage shall I just stop paying it after twenty years although I still owe money, think not. You lie more than you inhale idiot :o)
Oct 20th, 2012 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 055 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok then, Let's not talk about the present. Let's talk about the past shall we? I know, Let's talk about 1982. They teach all about 1982 in English schools now you know? In History!!!
Anyway. You say we are stuck in the past so lets talk about it shall we? Lets talk about when Argentina invaded the Falklands shall we?
Not enough in the past for you? Ok then, lets talk about Argentina favourite sport of pushing their own people ( and Nuns ) out of planes?
and you say “Europe has no morals. You are arrant inferiors” LOL
I say “People in glass houses.............” You clown.
@ 35 Islas Malvinas
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I do remember British invasions to Argentina: 1806, 1807, 1833, 1845.”
You must be very old to remember it.
Britain did not invade Argentina in 1806 and 1807. Britain was at war with Spain and invaded one of its colonies; Argentina did not exist as a country before 1861.
Britain did not invade Argentina in 1833. It removed an invasion force coming from the Province of Buenos Aires
Britain did invade the United Provinces of Rio de la Plata in 1845 but Britain did not invade Argentina. Argentina did not exist as a country before 1861.
Britain did not invade Argentina in 1982 either. It removed an invasion force coming from the Republic of Argentina.
Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos you lie more than you inhale ;o) At least resort back to your original name so we can ridicule you properly, theres a good boy, your starting to sound like Sussie us. But I think your like her, live in Canada, US, Sweden, anywhere but your beloved homeland to not pay taxes I bet.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't know the Brits had gotten their arse kicked so many times around Rio de la Plata...
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0didn't know the rg's have had, and still are getting thier arses kicked so often!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have they? But not like you lot in Afghanistan though, have they? What is the plan, getting your arse kicked all over planet at least once?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like we kicked YOURS. No you haven't because you don't send troops anywhere cos you fookin can't and are too afraid, but now your in the SC there might not be anywhere to run with your white flag, we know you can't send ships as they keep breaking down or getting impounded
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still Uruguayan, merely an observer, and as one, I can assure you you aren't scaring noone lately, getting your arses kicked by beardy shepherds with sticks :)))
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really if your so good you go fight them, oh that's right you can't, i'd really like them to bomb your cities and towns and then see your opinion, oh thats right though you live in Sweden don't you, miles away from the troubles in South america
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, no nation on earth can beat Guerilla warfare which is precisely what the Afghans use. If they used conventional tactics they wouldn't be around anymore.
We don't kill their children nor do we steal their resources, that's why they don't want us any harm. Never asked yourself why noone likes you?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I DON'T GO TO EUROPEAN FORUMS TO LECTURE ON HUMAN RIGHTS, ECONOMICS, OR POLITICAL DIPLOMACY!
@79 really 3700 civilians killed by taliban in last 9 months including women and children, do you find that acceptable, and think we should stand back and let it happen, like we are in syria because your pals china and russia are vetoing everything cos they are providing the weaponry, living in Sweden you should know that, they have lost troops to the bearded shephards as you call them, or doesn't that matter? You do nothing that's why no one likes you.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So because Taliban kills civilians, you are allowed to kill women and children? Do you think it's a competition on who kills the most? Saddam was a (your?) murderer, but not even he managed to kill as many Iraqi civilians as you lot...
Oct 20th, 2012 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000 to over 600,000, estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000, and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000 to 200,000. Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000. Not even close matey
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since Vietnam you only count your own dead (for a reason), your estimates are as useless as your excuses. Stop killing children!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0who mentioned vietnam? we weren't there, you where blabbing about Iraq and i told you facts and figures. Afghanistan, 3700 killed by taliban in last 9 months is that to much for you to comprehend. Road side bombs and executions account for 90% of them. When we leave in 2014/15 the taliban will be back and stop women from having jobs, school children with no schools, women murdered in public for not living by the koran, no freedom of speech, no freedom end of, is this your vision, do you condone this cos it sounds like you do. 42 nations are currently fighting in afghanistan, thats 42 countrys trying to do something about it, including SWEDEN, so why do you think it's only UK/US involved, oh I know, you don't know you just think you do, why don't you slag off Germany or Canada, Tonga, Australia, Belgium, Holland maybe France, Italy, Spain or wait for it EL Salvador, but obviously it's only the US/UK responsible the other 40 countrys are there just to make up the numbers. Well tell that to the parents and loved ones of thier familys 56 germans, 37 Poles, 25 Dutch, 158 canadians, 88 French etc etc need i go on
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell Hanan Shmailawi (or her family) that you are there to save the women... You are there to steal, and the world knows it.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Tell the men,women and children tortured and murdered, forcing them back into third world existance by the taliban..............whats there to steal what does afghanistan offer the world..... opium? terrorists? Stop talking shite Guzz!
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@76
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it funny how support for the Taliban is concentrated in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Islamic Republic of Argentina?
87
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean like in Abu Ghraib? The water boarding? Guantanamo? Withholding civilians without presnting them for a judge? What kind of democracy are you lot trying to introduce anyway?
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That the Talibans are kicking your arses has nothing to do with me supporting them, I don't :)))
Guzz give it up you're sounding more and more like a hezbollah terrorist with each sentance you speak. What about beheading on national tv of innocent civilians?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back on track.... how come ARA Espora hasn't been arrested yet? Ah... its Saturday... I'd be paying double time and a half to get those engines fixed before Monday morning.... I bet Titman and KFC have their worry beads out......
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look slattzzz, those bunch of freak are as bad as you, no better, no worse. Why should I choose between their murdering of children or your murdering of other children? You are all pieces of badly processed shit
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0made in Argentina, what did you expect, embarrassing.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@92 a bit like your mob who killed or dissapeared 30,000 of thier own, not that long ago really in the space of time, throwing people out of c130's into the south atlantic, making kids dissapear, for rich people to adopt etc etc etc, want me to go on? Go on tell me your from Uraguay and live in Sweden it had nothing to do with you, same as the Falklands has nothing to do with you.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm the son of a Tupamaro, you fool. The Uruguayan guerilla that fought AGAINST the dictatorship. It was our brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers they took. Want ME to go on?
Oct 20th, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read a book, dammi, any book will do for a starter...
slattzzz@
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no wonder the people of Falklands don't want to have anything to do with Argentina, lol. jeez, 30,000 of own people thrown into ocean, can you imagine that.
I served in the Royal Navy in the Falklands war on HMS Ardent you fool, my dad fought in aden and suez crisis, and my grandad fought in the russian convoys during ww2 want me to go on.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live his face, what do you want me to say? My point is that that mob you are talking about are your allies in SA today, and for all I care, always has been. Stop killing children.
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whatever, if that's what you believe carry on with your dillusions,night night
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(97) Opppppppps..........
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to be that we got yet another Walter Mitty.......
@100 well think if you want my facebook id i'll give it you because i'm not a false twat like you and don't need to lie to justify what i say. You'll find me on Royal navy page and take a guess from there, I look forward to not friending you
Oct 20th, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz, can't you stop lying? The Tupamaros did NOT fight the dictatorship in Uruguay. When the military took over, the Tupamaros had already been defeated and were either behind bars or living the good life abroad.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that many of those arrested were treated atrociously does NOT mean that they fought the dictatorship. The only thing the Tupamaros rose up against was a democratic government.
Participating in a military exercise, one clapped out corvette that doesn't work. It's just laughable.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@103
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what's your problem with Argentina not being interested in having or investing in a military? You do realize that no one thinks more of you because of military size, on the contrary, they dislike you or think you are insecure judging others simply based on military strength.
Funny that you would be the first one crying if Argentina started militarizing.
If only the Argentines could see that the only reason British forces are exercising on and around the Falklans is because of the continued threat from their leader. Whats to bet if Britain removed all their forces tomorrow Argentina would send a military garison in behind them. That to me would surely be no differant to having our own protection militarily in the South Atlantic. Seems it is a crime to be afforded protection from aggression yet the aggressors think it is quite OK to militarise the antartica. Think you all had better start researching a little more before you condemn the people who are on the Falklands to protect our right to self determination. Argentinas History is one full of killing and aggression is it no wonder we seek defence from UK. Nothing wrong with that.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@104 But RGland do invest in a military , and miltary size does matter politically as it gives a country muscle and in certain situations one may need to flex that muscle - some do so to gain over others some to defend against others!
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat.....RGland do invest in a military!!!! Or can you prove otherwise smart arse!
BTW wheres the theasuarus today?
@Slatzzz
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good job putting into perspective and clarifying the situation in Afghanistan.
All too often, the outrageous statements of the Guzzes and the Alex Vargas wannabes go unchallenged.
These guys actually believe the crap they spout, unfortunately.
It's too convenient an excuse to hate hate hate.
I think you gave them something to think about, but I bet in their twisted way, they don't want to believe differently.
Nice job setting the record straight!
(101) slattzzz; The one that “served in the Falklands War on HMS Ardent” says:
Oct 21st, 2012 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...Think if you want my facebook id i'll give it you because i'm not a false twat like you and don't need to lie to justify what i say......”
I say:
Sure, matey....... Sure............
Your ”Facebook” will do fine….. Excellent proof...... Why didnn’t I “Think” about that?
For months on end you have been filling this pages with inconsequential one-liners or exchanging insults with the Argie psychos……
Until today, when you suddenly “remembered” being a veteran of the Ardent…..
Surely we can look forward to some real juicy anecdotes about your 1982 South Atlantic experience, now that you have trusted us with the truth about your past…..
Ain’t that so, matey.?
Thicko...what have you done with your Norski falklands veteran chum.. is he still in your sock drawer...?
Oct 21st, 2012 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0ynsere
Oct 21st, 2012 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0“our” police shot and killed Liber Arce 1968. When you think our fight started is your issue...
Troy
What perspective are you talking about? The ons that gives you the right to kill children and point fingers? Like Hanan Saleh Matrud? Ahmed Jabbar Kareem Ali?
Stop killing children dammit! Its easier and much better morally than trying to find excuses...
Really poor excuse for a navy.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 080 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know that “people who try to dig themselves out of a hole only dig themselves deeper”
Now that I've got you to f**k yourself in public ( and again @104 Giorgio_O._Tsoukalos ) why don't you get the message and go away?
“I DON'T GO TO EUROPEAN FORUMS TO LECTURE ON HUMAN RIGHTS, ECONOMICS, OR POLITICAL DIPLOMACY!”
ok so you've proved that these things have no interest to you. I would have guess that, being Argentinian. I suppose that the Argentinian view on human rights and Political diplomacy is always done through the cross hairs of a rifle.............LOL ( and we all can see what a success your ecomonic policies are )
and you say “Europe has no morals. You are arrant inferiors” LOL
I say “People in glass houses.............” You clown.
By the way:-
97 slattzzz
It's an honour sir. To meet someone who's family has given SO much and who has served their country with such distinction. A pleasure.
110
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liber Arce was shot and killed by an ill-trained young policeman surrounded by a violent mob, in 1968. The Tupamaros had started their attack on the democratic government of Uruguay several years earlier and they, and the Communists, made a martyr of him.
Three days ago another policeman panicked when attacked with stones and gunfire, and killed a man in Montevideo's Marconi neighbourhood. The Minister responsible for the police is a former Tupamaro. So what's the difference?
Now, are you going to swear in Spanish because more of your lies have been exposed? That's what your masters, the Argentines, often do on this forum, and so do you.
Tell me what actions the Tupamaros did prior to 68? Tell me when they took up arms? The Tupas proir to 68 fought for a better distribution of wealth and an agrarian reform. They did indeed finance their fight with robberies of banks, but there was no bloodshed until your beloved police and military started firing on their own people.
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will never apologize to a bunch of murderers and torturers for doing what my constitution tells me to do, you do know it is your duty as an Uruguayan to stand up against any usurper of power, don't you?
114 Guzz
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I will never apologize to a bunch of murderers and torturers for doing what my constitution tells me to do”
Just like those SS gaurds in the Concerntration camps and the gas chambers? Indeed.
Then, in true Argentinian style, the blame just slips off your shoulders doesn't it?
115
Oct 21st, 2012 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, do you think the people should apologize to the military for murdering, torturing and kidnapping its own people???
You have no clue who is who is SA, do you? So you just have a go at everybody...
Look, the guerilla fought against the dictators, both in Argentina and in Uruguay (Montoneros and Tupamaros). The dictators killed its own people, in Arg they did what you love to repeat, they threw people out of helicopters into the ocean. In Uruguay they tortured people using electricity and an early form for water boarding, not taking “common” torturing methods into account..
These are the scums ynsere wants us to forgive, and the ones you say I “blame”...
@108 stink I don't have to justify myself to you, you either believe or you don't i care not either way, I know the truth and have stated on loads of forums on here that I served in the falklands and am proud to have done so, you done anything to be proud off?
Oct 21st, 2012 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@112 thank you
TWIMC
Oct 21st, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About poster (117) slattzzz......................
As I said before...............yet another Walter Mitty.......
Who wants to join the Argentina Navy?
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whatever think as i said i won't justify myself to you, your not worth the effort
Oct 21st, 2012 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0117 slattzzz
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This poor excuse for a human being who calls himself El Think, is nothing other than a bald liar and obfuscator of the truth.
He would not know the truth if it slapped him around the face.
Please do not even concern yourself with this abominable person. From your previous posts it is obvious to everyone that you a not a liar.
@121 he doesn't concern me buddy, nobodys never concern me, thank you anyway
Oct 21st, 2012 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(120) slattzzz
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At ease Mr. Mitty..............
Now, please go back to your inconsequential one-liners and your interminable insult exchanges with Argie turnips as Pirat-Hunter and Sussie whatever.....
121 ChrisR
Oct 21st, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There, that's said it all hasn't it?
I always thought that Think was a cheat a liar and a fraud. It's not just me who “Thinks” that then...............
115
Oct 21st, 2012 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why can't you break your habit of lying?
1. The Tupamaros did NOT fight against the dictatorship: they were the terrorists who took up arms against a democratic government. I realise your parents may have told you otherwise but, if so, they were also liars.
2. I never said anyone should apologise to the Uruguayan military involved in torture or other illegal actions. This, your second lie of the day, you cannot blame on your parents.
I shall make it a point to expose every single lie you tell on this forum, but I do hope you can control yourself and stop. I'm far more interested in news and opinion regarding tha Falklands than in you.
Oh yes, but we did. And we would do ot again, should the need arise ;)
Oct 21st, 2012 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0126 Guzz
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? so you admit that you were lying, that you are lying now and that you would lie again, “should the need arise”
I rest my case............liars always lie.
ARGETNINA IS THE WINNER
Oct 21st, 2012 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These ships don't worth nothing!
@128 Sussie
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0La Campora 'think' that you, Sussie, and Pirat-Hunter, are half-wits best ignored, LOL LOL
@123 Think wrote:
“ interminable insult exchanges with Argie turnips as Pirat-Hunter and Sussie whatever.....”
47 Toby
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“This is how desperate the anti-argies of this board are. They make fun of Argentina's lack of military (I guess they are not really for peace, since to them military strength determines your worth as a person or society... how comtemptible), but then if any sign of remilitarization happened, they would all be crying and screaming.”
I agree with a lot of what you say here, but you must consider that if Argentina remilitarized we would all be threatened. If you put to one side for the moment you duty (to fight fire with fire against the Argie haters) you must surely recognise that when Argentina has had a powerful military it has threatened it neighbours. Argentina’s drive for unity with SAmerica (not yours) is inversely proportional to the strength of the Argie military.
If you turned the tables now and had Argie with a modern, well trained, disciplined Army, Navy and Air Force; and Chile with fighters with no spares, ships that break down, not enough bullets to 25 hours of conflict and a personnel on strike....how safe would Chile be? How safe would the Falklands be? How safe would southern Bolivia be?
Ok, so maybe it is not right for us to make fun, but it is understandable.
4 Dany,
“Time to get rid of the floating things they are good for nothing better to invest in state of art Missiles development and nuclear subs.”
Subs need to float too you know.
What is an Argentinean navy ship doing out side of Argentinean waters,
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this not militarising the north Atlantic,
Is this not provocative to innocent African nations,
Is this not provocative to ascension isle
Is this not a sleek test trial attack on the UK .
By pretending to be sight seeing, but actually looking for landing beaches in Cornwall.
Watch out watch out, there’s and argie about.lol
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They lost another ship? !!!
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Desceptive title by Mercopress as usual. A normal breakdown in one of its generators during an exercise. It does not make the ship inopperable. It has happened to many a ship and I have seen it.
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@133
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah but for the Argie navy there are constant breakdowns due to the poor level of equipment and finance.
its just a matter of ?????
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nuts and bolts old chap.
133 ProRG_Argentinian
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you believe ONE generator breakdown resulted in the ship needing to port?
Come on, even you can't be that gullible.
That is very much possible Chris, pretty much depends on which one it is and if it's backed up. Either way, if you are close to port, you'd want to fix it before crossing the ocean...
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny when one writes a factual comment as I did at 105 there is complete silence from the Argentine critics. Probabilaty is that they know it is impossible to deny the truth.
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0137 Guzz
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree if we are talking commercial vessels especially the diesel electric ships like what happened to the Carnival ship when one of the four diesels blew up because of the oil vapour escape problem. It stopped the entire ship dead in the water and it had to be towed back to port (system design problem as well looking at the photos).
But this is a MEKO class fighting ship; surely the redundancy would cover the loss of ONE generator? Otherwise the thing would be useless in a naval battle.
@138
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ver true, well spotted.
did not one of our carriers have to have a engine refit on its way the falklands 30 years age,
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or something along those lines.
128@ CAPS LOCK ON:
Oct 22nd, 2012 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA IS THE LOOSER. IT IS A BORN BE A LOOSER TO BE BORN AS AN ARGENTINIAN.
139
Oct 23rd, 2012 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyhow, even if it would be the backup gen, you'd want to fix it before crossing the ocean...
( 142) Hook .....(once again)
Oct 23rd, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q: What's a “looser”
A: A Briton that can't spell “loser”
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