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Son of Falklands’ war hero will take command of British troops in Afghanistan
The son of Falkland Islands war hero Colonel ‘H’ Jones is to take command of Britain’s 9.000 troops in Afghanistan, reports the Daily Mail. Brigadier Rupert Jones was 13 when his father died during a one-man charge on an Argentine trench in the Battle of Goose Green in 1982, for which he was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesQuite the best news to emerge from the depths of sadness in 1982. A wonderful career to date by this foot-stepping son. A great lad, going great places and serving his country at the highest possible level. Very well done.
Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a shining example to his father.
Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take my hat off to you sir.
Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is so lucky to have men and women of this calibre, who understand and live their lives in service to their Queen and Country.
Nov 05th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marvellous people.
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Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzzano
Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Childish comment
Gringo Mariposa
Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How come?
You ever honoured these dead;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3703213.stm
Every good soldier is covered with dirt...
@7 Guzzano
Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point is, I am NOT dishonouring any soldiers,
@5 “War hero?
Did he commit suicide??”
Blame their governments, if you must.
He is the spitting image of his Father
Nov 05th, 2012 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A thread for PH to get his teeth into, for once it really is about killing Muslims!
Nov 05th, 2012 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh you are such a hoot, it was about killing muslims before we got there, seems certain individuals forget the arena beheadings and public stoning of women to death. For me a good Taliban is a dead Taliban!
So proud of our British armed forces
Not surprised they both had a such a distinguished carreer in the army . They both belonged to a great regiment , The Devonshire and Dorsets . Two regiments with a long and distinguished history which united in 1958 . Now , with all the last cuts in spending , part of The Rifle Regiment . The Devonshire Regiment was known as the Bloody Eleventh . Due to their never surrendering in so many battles . The Dorsets also a great fighting regiment .
Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0No matter what country they come from, very few are exceptional men, his father was a hero, his son is very worthy. Sincere and respectfull greetings from Argentina.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0A chip off the old block.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see Guzz has managed to 'distinguish' himself by being banned a record number of times in 15 posts.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What an achievement, he should be utterly disgraced with himself.
@Guzz
Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still wiv argie hero,s like this you must be proud
As the first Argentine to die in the invasion of the Falkland Islands 30 years ago, Lt. Pedro Giachino was awarded the country’s highest medal for valor in combat and had streets named in his honor.
Pity he was one of the Buenos Aires: Naval Mechanics School's finest
Guzz has anybody told you that you need to be shot?
Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, conqueror mentioned something about that. His post wasn't removed by the editor.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kind of shows the value of your “freedom of expression”...
As much as i am not a fan of Guzz and his inappropriate and incorrect Le Campora propaganda posting shouldnt threaten violence on a forum, its not approriate.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Nov 06th, 2012 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing in the rules of MP that says people can't express their desire for someone to be removed from this mortal coil. There are however, rules about: rude or foul language, discriminative comments (based on ethnicity, religion, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or the sort), spamming or any other offensive or inappropriate behaviour will not be tolerated.
How does “No matter what country they come from, military should be covered in dirt, filled with worm and buried 7 feet down” fall into those clasifications?
Nov 06th, 2012 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree on “military” being a foul word, but anyway...
@19 What's the matter, Guzzle? Did you get upset when I called your bosom buddy alex a murderer? Let's see now. In 1982, some bunch of cowards tried to steal some Islands that had been British for 292 years. Not content with attempted theft, they committed some war crimes for which they have yet to be properly punished. The world, in the shape of the UN, told them to get off. They didn't. Instead they went on with their war crimes, in which I include planting innumerable minefields that they didn't map properly. Your faggoty pal in Canada is so pleased with this idea that he would like to see ordinary people walking unknowingly into such danger and being dismembered or killed. And you're upset? Let me tell you this. According to Wikipedia, there's a 2012 estimate that the argie population is 41,281,631. In my book, that's 41,281,631 war criminals. Plus the ex-pat war criminals and cowards such as yourself and alex. I make no apology for wanting vengeance. You lot killed 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders. And I'm not interested in any of your sophistry to the effect that “It wasn't us, it was the Junta.” It was YOU! We killed 649 argie military personnel. Not enough. Nowhere near enough. We wounded 1,657. we should have shot them dead. We took 11,313 prisoner cowards. Should have shot them dead as well. Instead of wasting our resources sending them home. Perhaps, had you suffered 13,620 war dead, and we'd shovelled them into the River Plate, you might have learned something. And I don't really care whether it's maturity or terror. Be afraid of us, Guzzle. Be very, very afraid. We have the maturity to prefer peace and trade to war. Don't push. You wouldn't like it if we got really angry. Your mouth wouldn't save you.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0conq
Nov 06th, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing you post upsets me.
Every time I see your name, I think of myotonic sheep and I imagine you chasing them, pants down your knees. Furthermore, I'm convinced there are no penguins in the islands, it's merely pass-byers mistaking you in the run for those lovely creatures...
So, basically, you make my day with every post of yours ;)
Conqueror(#)
Nov 06th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just remember that some menbers of the Junta were not the only ones to escape punishment. How many members of the German, Hungarian and Rumanian as well as others escaped punishment after the end of WW2? Crimes were committed by the Germans under the Hitlerite regime which have no equal in scale and wickedness.
Just read Lord Russel of Liverpool's Sourge of the Swastica and Knights of Bushido.
Of course there is modern Yugoslavia with Mladic, Karadic (or whatever the spelling is), Rwanda where the US did nothing to haltthe slaughter in 1994. Think about the Pinochet government - of course he did nottryto capture the Falklands. etc etc etc......
All my respect for the enemy!! After,during and before the war!!!!!
Nov 06th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Conqueror/Captain Poppy
Nov 06th, 2012 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mind your own country the UK is broke see the UK Debt Clock
@27, yawn - crossposting accross several articles doesn't make your comments any less ludicrous, if the uk is broke how come people are still queuing up to lend them money at record lows
Nov 06th, 2012 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Nov 06th, 2012 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You believe all persons of the military should suffer a terrible death? And then you wonder why your post was removed? Those people are someone's son or daughter. What if your country was suddenly invaded? Would you still wish death on those who would protect you?
Have a little respect Guzz thinknotalot
So this is the “Hero of the one man charge”. What a bunch of hogwash. This is the guy who charged an Argentine soldier in trench who's FAL had run out of ammunition after wounding “Col. Jones”. Another Argentine soldier noticed from the corner of his eye at what was about to happen and turned his Mag and dischrged it before the “heroe” was able to reach the defensless soldier in the trench. The “heroes” buddies were smarter, they hit the ground. The Argentine soldier in the trench was thrown additional ammo and his unit fought on.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The true version this event is known well in Military circles. It was not the propaganda rubish published during the war that earned this guy his name. Hopefully his son, who has no fault, has better luck and returns home with his life.
Rupert has to start up with taking out of Taliban fearing hidden beneath of the tanks British soldiers in Afghanistan.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps [22] would agree that , all argentine military [all of it] should be disbanded,
Nov 06th, 2012 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To set an example to the rest of us.
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Losers always disgrace themselves, including you.
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31
Can you name these British tanks in afghan,
Or is this more CFK payment for you changing the subject.
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@30
Nov 06th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Propaganda? What like the Argie propaganda that claimed to have sunk HMS Invincible about 4 times and also claimed to have sunk ships in the British fleet that weren't even there? You can say what you want about Jones, but the point is insulting his memory simply wont do. He died for his country and for his fellow citizens.
@31
I have no idea what you just said. Only thing worse then an Argie, is an Argie who can't put sentences in the correct order.
30 ProRG_American
Nov 06th, 2012 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the laughs, no really, thank you....... The Victoria Cross was awarded to H Jones for and on behalf of 2 Para for his outstanding leadership and his disregard for his own personal safety.
Let me invite you to answer this:- when a gun runs out of ammo, does a big red flag pop out of it saying “Empty”?
Would you charge a trench full of soldiers in broad daylight?
Do you even know what it is to be heroic?
They say that the shortest books in history are “Bible predictions that came true”
“Jewish business ethics”
and the most famous of all
“Great Argentine war hero's”
Have you watched the film “Reign Of Fire” with Matthew McConaughey? In it says “Envy the country that has hero's” ( the U.K )
“Pity the country that needs them” ( Argentina ) That's the thing about the Argentine Commanders in the Falklands, they were always first at going second...........
Argentina cant even stand up to Ghana.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 falklandlad, 2 briton, 3 Pirate Love, 4 ChrisR
Nov 06th, 2012 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You gentlemen have said it all so I will just add my voice to the many others wishing him a successful and safe tour.
This man is, an example to us all
You are only as good as the men who lead you. This man attained his rank by his own efforts.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such thing as a military war hero. The only war heroes are the women and children that are forced to live through the murdering, raping, torturing and sacking of the disgrace of human waste that are the military. From lowest culprit to highest ranked hijo de 7000 putas....
Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guzz
Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I take it you hold the same opinion about an armed struggle? a revolution? or can you distinguish between one form of violence for a cause and another?
No Sir, should the military attack the people, it's their right to defend themselves. According to my constitucion, it's also my obligation...
Nov 06th, 2012 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for professional killers, those are not to be regarded as human beings and can be shot from any angle. Too bad my uncle refused to do so, he insisted to face them before pulling the trigger...
@40
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats your opinion as a Uruguayan, a citizen of a country that spent many years under military backed and run dictatorships. However we in the UK and elsewhere take offence when you refer to our Armed forces personal as “professional killers” and a “disgrace of human waste” as our country has never been under dictatorship and it never will be. Colonel H Jones fought and died to liberate his fellow citizens form the military dictatorship of Argentina. Was he a bad man?
From your answer I take it that in your opinion there are circumstances where vioence is justified.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AS for professional killers, the human race has had warriors, since we first stood upright and threw rocks at each other. The only thing that has changed, is the rocks!
The day you bring those ones responsible for crimes against humanity to justice, I might agree with you guys. But as long as they are allowed to kill women and children unpunished, they are nothing more than professional killers and human waste.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3703213.stm
Do you distinguish between a professional who drops a bomb from an aircraft or an amatuer who parks the the bomb in a car in street or carries it on to a train in a pack on his back? Orfor that matter a man who fights in an identifiable uniform face to face or a man who who indistinguishable from the rest, kills from behind?
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No difference between the murdering of civilians one way or another. Shooting a professional killer in the back is only half a jackpot.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not going to get into that arguement as an ex professional killer! easy to identify by the uniform I wore.
Nov 06th, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I do like your use of the word humanity! what humanity? whenever, ever in recorded history did we ever behave in a humane, another bastardisation of the word, towards each other, when.
I just find it so hypocritical, the word, not you, that we take a word such as humanity and turn it into a word that is used to describe how we should behave towards each other, instead of how we do!
Can you not think of a worse word to describe it, I just wish my vocabulary was better. Humanity and humane, does not exist.
@45
Nov 07th, 2012 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0?
Our armed forces have killed civilians, either by accident or because they were caught in the cross fire. Who is worse? Nato who have attempted to remove an evil regime that butchers thousands of its own people daily and kill civilians in small numbers, Or the regime itself which I have just mentioned? When I say regime or murdering force I'm referring in general to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Sierra Leone, Balkans, South America etc.
Guzz
Nov 07th, 2012 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Goodnight, joust with you again another day. Now going to watch Romney win the US election.
46
Nov 07th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only you know if you have been true to yourself and chosen your battles with pride. Just don't come and say that you only followed orders.
I might have been too harsh in my judgement, thy many military men became Tupas because they believed in morals and righteousness, I might not be the right one to judge anyones purposes. Just look at Chavez...
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Beating a 17-year old and throwing him to drown in a river is neither an accident nor is it cross-fire. And why should I have to choose between murderers and other murderers? I choose life, regardless your options presented. Actually, that's the main problem with your “freedom of choice”. You get a restricted selection to choose from in the 1st place...
@49 - Guzz
Nov 07th, 2012 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a hypocrit.
You support the acts of terrorists.
You have stated that should your ideal United Soviet Socialist Republic of South America come about, you would support the oppression, imprisonment and murder of all those who do not agree with your ideals.
You are a coward, prefering to stab someone in the back rather than be a man and fight face to face.
Col H Jones did a very courageous thing. His men were outnumbered, outgunned and pinned down. Daylight was breaking which would expose his men to Argentine small arms and artillery fire. His men were becoming demoralised.
He did what only a great leader would do. He stood up and took the fight forwards towards the enemy.
Basically he wasn't willing to order his men to do something that he himself wasn't willing to do. He died bravely attacking a machinegun position, and he was shot and died of his wounds.
But he didn't die in vain. His valiant act gave his outnumbered and outgunned men a purpose. He gave them the courage to stand up and fight, which is what they did.
And the Argentine forces at Goose Green surrended to a tiny British force.
That is a great man, a great leader and hero.
Col H Jones and his Paras had a mission. It was to seize Goose Green and Darwin, but most importantly, it was to free the Islanders, most of whom had been held prisoner at gunpoint for weeks.
You, Guzz, wouldn't know true courage. Courage isn't about killing people, courage is about performing acts for selfless reasons.
If you have ever bothered to read the testimonials of British soldiers who have won bravery awards, you will see that they don't get them for killing, they get them for saving life. Saving the lives of their comrades and saving the lives of civilians.
your ideal United Soviet Socialist Republic of South America
Nov 07th, 2012 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is an impossable dream,
unless the military aspect is used,
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but as guzz is against the military,
it is but a pipe dream..
“United Soviet Socialist Republic of South America ”
Nov 07th, 2012 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:))))))))))))
Guzz mate, freedom of expression is not a free pass to be a twat and spout moronic garbage with very little thought process arrived at primarily through a position of bias.
Nov 07th, 2012 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom of expression was intentionally designed so people could arrive at an opinion having extensively viewed both sides of the argument....
You sun shine are abusing freedom of expression and trying to use it as a caveat to justify your baffling bias.
Quite clearly because your an anglophobic Argentine, you therefore tar every British soldier with the same brush arriving at a pre dis-positioned point of bias and now your attempting to justify it with scant evidence and a few horror stories from Iraq of a few bad eggs 2 dozen individuals are not every man and woman who has ever served in the British army, and never will be....
ergo you should be shot before you embarrass yourself even more as quite clearly you can't be trusted to use freedom of expression properly and are thus useless in these forums...
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Nov 07th, 2012 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Freedom of expression was intentionally designed so people could arrive at an opinion having extensively viewed both sides of the argument....”
So what are all those movies baching islam all about then? The drawings of Mohammed?
Those acts with no other intention than to provoce have been heavily defended, claiming “freedom of expression”...
I sense some one-way traffic here...
And did that not go way over the top by Muslims,
Nov 07th, 2012 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slaughtering men , women , children , and babies.
don’t hear any Argies condemning this atrocity.
Some sections of society still live in the Middle Ages,
And use religion as an excuse to slaughter the innocent.
Briton
Nov 07th, 2012 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can agree that muslims in general lack sense of humour and they have a tendency to overreact. Knowing this though, who are we to provoke them in the name of our freedom? Does the fact that I'm in my fair right to insult you mean that I have to do so? Is that the message with our freedom of expression?
agreed
Nov 07th, 2012 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its was a very stupid thing to do,,
surprisingly then,
it was a muslim, that did it.
Ah yes change the subject at whim if you will....The so called video one speaks of was done by an Egyptian Coptic Christian, ergo my point stands about predispositioned bias....And anyway he was not out to engage in freedom of expression more less insult and denigrate...a big difference...you just say what you say because your plain daft...
Nov 07th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The video as well would have stayed in obscurity had not a Salafist news agency decided to air it.
As for the cartoons distinct difference they were printed as a response to the Iconphobia present in certain Islamic discourses, in that Muhammed cannot be drawn as there is no stipulation in the Qu'ran that says otherwise. What you saw then was not Islam being deliberately insulted like afor video mentioned but rather an attempt to challenge the assertion that:
1) Islam is beyond reproach within secular democracies.
2) The corrupted nature of certain Islamic discourses (namely Wahabism in Saudi Arabia).
Funny you mention Saudi Arabia... The most fanatic muslim nation on the planet and your second biggest ally in the region...
Nov 07th, 2012 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 Guzz
Nov 07th, 2012 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We did son. Ever heard of the Nuremberg War Crime Trials???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3703213.stm
Nov 07th, 2012 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although I agree there are similarities between the nazis and these cases, you can't really blame them for these ones...
@59
Nov 07th, 2012 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most fanatic Muslim nation? Not true actually, the Saudis are very moderate and have the good sense to throw nonsense religion out of the way of economics and politics. Its one of the main reasons they work with us in the west as opposed to their next door neighbours. OK in some fields they are rather extreme, but they are a damn sight better then, lets say Iran for example.
Conor
Nov 07th, 2012 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Women not allowed to have driving licences sounds quite moderate to you, I guess...
@63
Nov 07th, 2012 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As opposed to Iran who may allow women to drive but sponsor and support Terrorists in their endeavours to reach paradise by blowing up a girls school in Afghanistan? Yeah sounds quite moderate to you I guess?
That's your speculation. Mine was a fact...
Nov 07th, 2012 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@65
Nov 08th, 2012 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was not speculation sir, it was a fact. A large proportion of Taliban weapons are shipped in from Pakistan which in turn have come from and have been financed by Iran. But getting back to the main point, Jones died a hero trying to free his fellow citizens form a mass murdering dictatorship. Oh and if you hate military personal so much, why aren't you campaigning for the disestablishment of Uruguay's forces?
Please post some proof of your statement...
Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay forces? All the 4000 of them?
Don't worry, we send them all to the UN so they can make fools out of themselves there. And they do, trust me :)
@67 Guzzano
Nov 08th, 2012 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Please post some proof of your statement...”
I'm sure you can do that, yourself. It's pretty quiet on the Troll night shift isn't it?
But then, why bother - you don't doubt it anyway :-)
67 Guzz (#)
Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nov 08th, 2012 - 05:52 am
You have underestimated the Uruguayan armed forces by about 20.000!!!!!
There are aproximately 23.700 members of the Army, Navy and Air Force. Certainly it is a small military establishment when compared with Argentina's 153.000 but then Uruguay is a smaller country. I'm surprised that a Tupa like you didn't know exactly what the “enemy” consists of!!!!!!!
That many?
Nov 08th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn...
Military of Uruguay [approx 2003 ]
Nov 08th, 2012 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 014,500 for the army; 6,000 for the navy; and 3,000 for the air force. As of February 2003,
Uruguay has more than 2,500 soldiers deployed on 12 UN Peacekeeping missions.
The regional federation defeated Brazil after a 3-year war. The 1828 Treaty of Montevideo, fostered by the United Kingdom, gave birth to Uruguay as an independent state.
Read more: Uruguay http://www.infoplease.com/country/profiles/uruguay.html#ixzz2Bf81tW7s
just a gunning thought.
See Simón? We already lost 200 in a matter of hours. At this rate, I'll be prooven correct by tomorrow 07.30 GMT... ;)
Nov 08th, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see that your annoyed about the UKs involvement in the creation of your country. Ha Ha Ha.
please everyone do not reply to guzzy wuzzy, he is a troll who wastes everyone's time, he is sick in the head and no matter what you say he will have a sick answer so don't respond to the idiot, thanks.
Nov 09th, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 073
Nov 09th, 2012 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0But no! I an annoyed that we helped you against the Paraguayans though, sad part in our history... As for what little you contributed to the creation of my country all I can say is two things. Cheers and goodbye ;)
What's a limey?
@75 Guzz,
Nov 09th, 2012 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Google it, Guzzle
What's a limey?
Nov 09th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Americam slang for the brits,
a bit like tommy or yanks. or frogs if your french.
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