Bolivia accepted the official invitation to become full member of Mercosur and hopes to sign the first accords during the coming summit of the block in early December in Brasilia, said President Evo Morales. Read full article
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Cuba next?Nov 23rd, 2012 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You beat me to it.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I think all the usual nutters are now inside.
Pity that includes Uruguay.
A very nasty scenario for Paraguay. It will now be completely surrounded. Does it have a corridor to the Pacific as envisaged in UNCLOS? Even if it does, it would be dependent on argie and Bolivian goodwill.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
2013...:Nov 23rd, 2012 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Ecuador accepts invitation to become a full member of Mercosur
You need to get Mexico on board so you have the regions best gangsters in the bloc.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
They should rename it to CSA Communist States of South AmericaNov 23rd, 2012 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
All this will achieve is to isolate Mercosur from other trading blocs. It will make it more difficult to achieve any type of deal with the EUNov 23rd, 2012 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Since chubby chavo entered, seems he removed all standards.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
TWIMCNov 23rd, 2012 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The cool and dry climate of the Bolivian Altiplano and its fertile, well aerated and slightly acid soils are just ideal for Turnips......
The Turnipfield above is a living proof of it .....
@7 IdlehandsNov 23rd, 2012 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Not much of a trade organisation these days, murcosur.
More political/ideological than anything else, and these recent “acquisitions” will alter still further the ideological balance (or lack of) in the organisation
Raises the question how is Brazil going to get a trade agreement with the EU, if not unilaterally, now there is little if any at all prospect of it with murcosur.
The cool and dry climate of the Bolivian AltiplanoNov 23rd, 2012 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Looks like there is a Swede (who has not spent much time freezing or navigating washed out road on the Altiplano) in the turnip patch!
[ 11Nov 23rd, 2012 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Forget it .......!
comment from Chrisretard the web based research clown and still can't speak Spanish...Pity that includes Uruguay.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Uruguay a nation in the South American sub continent is in that group because they understand it is in their interest to be with their close friends in good and bad times. That something a kid (yeah I really believe you're an adult that sold his gold to live in Uruguay..sure, lolz) simply doesn't understand, that types nonsene, isn't even born there, didn't grew up in that area and has no knowledge of the region at all.
Comment of Captain poopy: They should rename it to CSA Communist States of South America
You don't even know what the word communist means. For communism/fascism, look at your own country, the best example of fascism...(a merger of state and corporations
you remind me of a drowning man you will reach for anything. Communist party's are allowed in free countries. Yes....there merger of state and corprations, like assmouth kirchner stealing PPF and nationalizing aerolinasNov 23rd, 2012 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Fido,Nov 23rd, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As you are Dutch, do you feel as strongly about the EU as you do for MS?
I am very wary of supranational organisations and wish very strongly for Chile to remain on the margin of MS like the Scandies in Europe (hence I understand Chris’ concerns for Uruguay). Although the idea of forming a regional behemoth to fight our corner against the other big blocks in the world is a very tempting idea we must be careful what we wish for.
In the EU no one country gets its way all the time. Germany is big, but relatively it is only slightly larger than France and the UK. Here, Brazil is half the territory and half the economy of South America. Economic integration will undoubtedly bring benefits to all, but they will increasingly have to dance to Brazil’s tune. In time perceived (or real) loss of sovereignty will become an issue outside of Brazil.
Seeing as we can achieve the economic growth anyway by increasing trade and investment between countries in the region (and continue to expand outside the region), why add the unelected bureaucrats and incursions on sovereign affairs?
MercosurNov 23rd, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
So you could all in future become [ mercosuriens ]
A bit like the common market, that was great as well, all mates together,
BBQs parties ect, till the empire builders raises there ugly heads and want a unites states of south America,
Or united mercosuriens,
Just a futuristic thought.
If CFK told ya to put ya head in the oven for her,
13 Fido DildoNov 23rd, 2012 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Hit a nerve have I? I think so with all the vitriolic outpourings of a spiteful child.
I will tell you frankly that you can believe what you wish to believe and be as jealous of me as you obviously are but you, like me, cannot wind back time. If only I could, I am 67 years old next April.
And just to peeve you further, my Espanol is coming along nicely now, it seems to have clicked at last, thank you for asking.
Have a nice day.
[ 17Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
dont lie .........
You live and write from London.....
You have curly hair...........
One of your screen names is Teaboy ..........
Yeah....I think United Mercosurians has a ring to it.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Chris todays 60s are yesterdays 50s
He is 40-50 years old ...Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
He has auburn curly hair....
@19 Yes, I agree.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@20 The bot
I have very little hair, I was very bald at the age of 25, so I have had 41 years to get used to it.
Auburn curly hair, I wish!
[ 21Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
tell a lie is free at internet....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtN0brZ8LxY&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=3&feature=plpp_videoNov 23rd, 2012 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
South América is one country, Spain and Portugal colonies forever!
South América is one countryNov 23rd, 2012 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
[no its not]
Spain and Portugal colonies
[we wouldent say that to the portugeese]
they just might think you are a Nut .
The future from South América is a UNION! LIke me, very others think too.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
and what union do you belong to,Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
and are you part of the T.U.C. ..
Sorry, what is T.U.C.?Nov 23rd, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
BrasileiroNov 23rd, 2012 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Brasil and Portugal came into wealth in the old colonial world.,but you lagged behind becouse the Industrial Revolution was consolidating as a new way to make and define the wealth.
Once again you repeating the same situation..
You are emerging thanks to the exportation of commodities that have left you with some economic manipulations with an elevated GDP...with some exception ,however we continue to be importers of high-tech goods...
27Nov 23rd, 2012 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
28 is saying,you may owe your wealth and future to the great CFK and argentina,
argentina is better than brazil,
tell him his wrong .
No, brother! This is a not economic question. I work, we work from our land. Our land is América! South América!!! This is not a economic quest!!!Nov 23rd, 2012 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
mmmNov 23rd, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
you could be right,
we had the holy grail quest,
and searched the land,
but all brothers must stick together, is this correct,
south American brothers.
BrasilieroNov 23rd, 2012 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You are emerging for production and per capita income when the world has evolved toward more free time,greater cultural production,better distribution and more quality in public services respect for the environment ,lifelong education ..etc..concern for welfare instead of the moth - eaten GDP into which you are making your tardy emergence
Only one bird not make summer.........Brazil is a consequence from ALL South América......no more....no less!Nov 23rd, 2012 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
[ 33Nov 23rd, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
great reply ...
Sorry, my english is very poor. What you can i do?Nov 23rd, 2012 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I thin the United Mercosurians will go by the way of the CSA in 1865. There are too many ego issues with the leaders. Hell, argentina is hardly large enough for TMBOA's head, yet er level of economic prowess can fit neatly in her bidet.Nov 23rd, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Maybe more emotion! SOUTH AMERICA!Nov 23rd, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
In union there is strengthNov 24th, 2012 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
We are brothers, and we are meant to reunite.
Yes PHG, thanks for your support, brother in arms!!Nov 24th, 2012 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Excellent =)Nov 24th, 2012 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
My ancertors...Nov 24th, 2012 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
One more reason to dont become member of that gang....!!!Nov 24th, 2012 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Better alone than in bad company.....!!!
@35 Doesnt matter about your English. Welcome to the debate. But does Brazil have any need of the mercosur? You seem to be doing pretty good on your ownNov 24th, 2012 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Thanks for the your invite. Do you know about soft power?Nov 24th, 2012 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
44Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
don't caré English ...fiçtitious langúage...
yôu use símplé it enoúgh...
the best English spéakers are Australians ín the world
the maxímum users are Indians...
@44 You do understand that CFK is a rapacious cow intent upon becoming Empress of LatAm, don't you? Temporarily, Hugo is slated as Prince Consort. Let's see now, argieland and its province, currently called Uruguay but not for much longer, from the south. Venezuela from the north. Classic really!Nov 24th, 2012 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
United MercosuriansNov 24th, 2012 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You will become,
As for English being a fake,
Why are so many argie fakes using it then.
As for brothers,
The only thing you have in common is that you are perhaps mildly human.
You might achieve something , some day.lol.
The sad over-expansion of an organisation already too big, too big for its own boots and too politicised to be a trading bloc.Nov 24th, 2012 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Sad, it could have worked, but not now.
@46 Conks You may think Uruguayans are submissive idiots. Well we have our little country and prize our independence. We have no dreams of La Patria Grande as suggested by some trolls on these blogs, of course in that case, under Argentine domination. Political divisions apart I think every Uruguayan treasures our country and traditions and way of life. We dont want to be a province of Argentina. We are US and nobody elseNov 24th, 2012 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Uruguay is independent because Brazil don't want a Silver River in Argentinian's hand. And more, Cisplatina (Uruguay) have much from Sacramento (Portuguese colony) changed in XVIII Century for our Rio Grande do Sul. So, Cisplatina have one bit from Brazil!Nov 24th, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@50 Not quite sure what you are trying to say.We are of course Orientals first!Nov 25th, 2012 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I find it quite ironic how after 200 years the Brits are still trolling to keep us separated.Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Go away Angry Brits! We won't fall again for another Paraguayan War.
What ?Nov 25th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Seperated , trolling , paraguayan ,
what a funny old world we live in,
Congratulations to Evo and his Bolivian compatriotas. Another dud joins the biggest dud pretend free trade block in the world. Maybe he thinks they'll help him get his ocean back. No chance pal.Nov 26th, 2012 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
BTW everyone knows that Brazil is the only country that benefits from Mercosur, the rest are only hurting their economies by not freely trading with the world. Hot tip though... Keep your eyes on the Pacific alliance. Now this is a REAL free trade block, and it's going go places.
@52 PGHNov 26th, 2012 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
You seperate yourselves, nothing to do with us, i.e. try not planning to attack Chile for a while and they might think more of you.
BTW where does Argentina stand on the issue of Bolivia's claim to a corridor to the sea, through Chile???
And WTF did the Brits have to do with the Paraguayan war????
@54 The Chilean perspectiveNov 26th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
the rest are only hurting their economies by not freely trading with the world
It seems to me that you're praising the ALCA/FTAA and similar liberal approaches. You obviously don't know about Menem and Argentina in the 90s, do you? That didn't end up very well...
Planning to attack Chile??? You must be joking! Or maybe you're living in the 1970s? Ohhh or maybe you're trolling to keep us separated ;)
@PHG.Nov 27th, 2012 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
The reason that the liberal reforms didn't work is that Argentinians didn't give them a chance. The process takes over ten years of pain and hardship to get through, you guys gave it up as soon as the going got tough, we in Chile persisted and sure we had 30% unemployment, severe contraction in our GDP, wholesale bankruptcies of inefficient protected industries etc, but look at us now! The only creditor nation in the Castellano speaking universe, a balanced fiscal position as the norm ( we aim for 2% of GDP surpluses annually), two massive anti cyclical savings accounts, growing wages in real terms, almost full employment, the lowest inflation in Latin America, Plus reforms. reforms and more God damned reforms. Our professional and almost non corrupt political leaders of both parties share in their commitment to FREE trade with everyone and entangling alliances with none. Take note as we pass you by on the FAST lane Argentina. You guys should have stuck to the liberal plan, your loss.
TCPNov 27th, 2012 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well said TCP. I would add to your list:
- We have the lowest borrowing costs in the developing world. Recent 10-year bonds issued at 2.38% were oversubscribed 600%.
While the Argies pass around the begging bowl we have to beat investors off with a big stick. While no system is perfect, we have a very pragmatic model which slowly and surely is giving results – the Chilean way: de atrás pica el Indio!
The other Indio picando is Humala. If things carry on as they are, Argentina will have to watch Peru pass them in the fast lane.
““Planning to attack Chile”??? You must be joking! Or maybe you're living in the 1970s? Ohhh or maybe you're trolling to keep us separated ;)”
You might mean the 1980s not 70s. I do remember a grotesque Argie land grab in ’82 that would have continued to Tierra del Fuego if the Brits hadn’t put half your air force in the bottom of the Atlantic.
Since independence Argentina has tried to take land off all its neighbours. That is 180 years of tension versus 20 years of relatively good relations (the latter just happen to coincide with Argentina having a dilapidated military, who would have thought it!). Given Argie’s long held designs on our territory we would be extremely foolish (which we are not) to base long-term strategic plans on the attitude of your current administration. Remember the story of the 3 little pigs? That’s right, we building this house of stone.
No one is trolling to keep us separated. We are separate and intend to stay that way. Happy to be a good neighbour, no more, no less.
@ 56 PGHNov 27th, 2012 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I think the Chileans posting above have explained to you my first point.
You have not answered the other two questions:
BTW where does Argentina stand on the issue of Bolivia's claim to a “corridor to the sea”, through Chile???
And WTF did the Brits have to do with the Paraguayan war????
Pugol. Re Paraguayan Warperhaps youshould read a bit of impartial history before sounding off. Brits didnt take part but they certainly financed the combatants. Sorry to give away an axe to grind to the RG trolls, but I think one should be honest about Britains past which the Argentines are not being about thiers.Well it IS 130years ago and people thought different then than nowNov 27th, 2012 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@60 redpollNov 28th, 2012 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I agree, the fact is Britain did finance Brazil and Argentina in that war.
However the reasons the war happened in the first place had absolutely nothing to do with the British, purely a S. American dynamic.
My question was to PGH, I just wondered if he knew anything about what he was talking about, clearly not.
People thought then as now, money to be made.