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HMS Protector inspecting Antarctic Treaty sites; first visit to Brazil’s Comandante Ferraz station

Wednesday, December 12th 2012 - 20:49 UTC
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Royal Navy Ice patrol HMS Protector has arrived in Antarctica for the first time this season after her long sail south from Portsmouth. She will spend this, the first of her four work periods in the ice this Austral Summer, supporting an international team conducting formal Antarctic Treaty inspections of sites across the Peninsula. Read full article

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  • Shed-time

    Argentinian Base Inventory
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    1 x tank (used) - tick

    Dec 12th, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • slattzzz

    wait for it...........................that big red ship is militarizing the south atlantic

    Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    No no no, that big red-hulled ship is a spy-ship. See, it's got camouflage panels on the the side of it's superstructure.
    See the white and blue panels with the picture of a penguin on it, they're designed to fool idiots into thinking it's an iceberg...

    Dec 12th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Interesting to see what will occur when the Argentine bases are also inspected on an unannounced visit as per the Antartic treaty

    Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @4
    They will do as they are bloody well told and get inspected.

    Dec 12th, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    They will comply as they have previously done otherwise they will get a unpleasant encounter with Britain's finest marines.....

    To be honest on a sailor to sailor level its usually fine. I helped train Argentine officers when I was in the Royal Navy and they were a good bunch, well educated, fine individuals if a little under-trained and under-prepared for life aboard a Royal Navy vessel but they learn't fast and were high quality folk.

    I doubt there would be a problem.

    Dec 12th, 2012 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redpoll

    Xect I would agree with most of what you say but there are bad apples in every barrel such as Astiz.and his torturers in the Escuela Mecanica
    Of course under the Antarctic Treaty the Argentine Navy is also at liberty to inspect British, Russian and Polish bases OOps, didnt thier icebreaker catch fire and so far hasnt been repaired?

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus The 2nd

    @5

    You won't dare to, which is why you are not doing that now. The last thing you need is to open another front with us when you are in full PR-campaign around the world over the Falklands. To demand inspections of Argentine bases would not go well within that effort. Thus you are giving us a wide berth.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Ton

    looks like the Argies will have to look as though they are oing some actual research :-)

    Not that their bases will give them any advantage in British Antarctica if that Treaty breaks ..... we'll just go and throw them off - again!

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus The 2nd

    If the treaty breaks, it will simply go back to the issue of self-determination, which will make Argentine Antarctica officially Argentine given the current demographics.

    But you could still have a piece of Antarctica, just not ours... got ask the Australians for a slice.

    1833 tactics (if the “Malvinistas” history is to be believed), won't work in 2049. Try to kick us out, and you will have the entire world against you and I'm sure at that point in time Brazil, China, and India will be a militarily “slightly” more powerful... as will Argentina probably. And you I'm afraid probably in the other direction. If I were you, I woudn't try it.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    8 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
    'You won't dare to, which is why you are not doing that now. The last thing you need is to open another front with us when you are in full PR-campaign around the world over the Falklands. To demand inspections of Argentine bases would not go well within that effort. Thus you are giving us a wide berth.'

    Where does it say that they are giving the militarised RG bases a wide berth? When it is their turn to be inspected they will be inspected.... I trust they enjoy the experience.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus The 2nd

    @11

    Given there is only like one or two Brazilian bases, and twice as many Argentine bases as Chilean bases (and many more Argie bases than the UK too)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_stations_in_Antarctica

    It makes common sense just based on stochastic conjecture that an Argie base would be “inspected”. It is telling they are not. Perhaps another country is doing this and Mercopress hasn't bothered to look it up.

    What I am sure is that Argentina doesn't go around inspecting other people's bases. We have a bit more decency and don't have that tyrannical colonialist genetics to be marauding on boats and playing “raid the village”.

    I think I know from where the British acquired that trait.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    Tobias, carrying out a inspection isn't aggressive nor is it tyrannical or anything else, its the duty of the countries party to the treaty.

    Argentina can't carry out inspections as it has no ships to do so with.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vulcanbomber

    RGTROLL or Nostrolldamus The 2nd

    I love it when you comment on here. You always make me laugh.

    The UK Ship is entitled to, and will, visit all bases including Argentine bases as that is its duty under the treaty.

    It is sad little people who cannot separate a global issue from a little sad sabre rattling from cfk about a British Overseas Territory.

    Argentina has not right to inspect bases, as it is not included in the trusted association of countries that the treaty has agreed would be the inspectors which are United Kingdom, Spain and the Netherlands.

    Dont worry RG Troll, feel safe that there are no nations in this group of three that hold any grudges against your country for your bad behaviour. After all, what have you ever done to upset Spain or UK, lol, (better not mention oil or gas)

    Thing is, even after the world accepts the falklands right to sef determination, you will all still bleat on about the lies you have been brainwashed with since school.

    Oh well, let's go and have a look at some cruise ships, oops should not mention that, the guys down south have a small issue with CFK over policies that will cause the failiure of business and families there, but CFK will be fine. Following her ancestors colonial wishes, drinking the finest wines whilst her country suffers. Just like her grandparents up till 1945 when they had a little submarine ride to Argentina

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @10 TTT,
    ”Argentine Antarctica(which doesn't exist)officially Argentine given the current demographics“---an ”IMPLANTED” people?
    You even flew a pregnant woman to British Antarctica so she could give birth there! lol, how desperate your silly country is.
    And you wonder mr Dictionary why we mock you!

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @10
    Argentines in Antarctica are implanted-no indigenous people in Antarctica-and do the Argentine children born in Argentina live in Antarctica or Argentina?

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #8
    READ WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT AGREED AND SIGNED UP TO !
    The Antarctic Treat (1959)
    Article VII — Inspections
    In order to promote the objectives and ensure the observance of the provisions of the present Treaty, each Contracting Party whose representatives are entitled to participate in the meetings referred to in Article IX of the Treaty shall have the right to designate observers to carry out any inspection provided for by the present Article. Observers shall be nationals of the Contracting Parties which designate them. The names of observers shall be communicated to every other Contracting Party having the right to designate observers, and like notice shall be given of the termination of their appointment.
    Each observer designated in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 1 of this Article shall have complete freedom of access at any time to any or all areas of Antarctica.
    All areas of Antarctica, including all stations, installations and equipment within those areas, and all ships and aircraft at points of discharging or embarking cargoes or personnel in Antarctica, shall be open at all times to inspection by any observers designated in accordance with paragraph 1 of this Article.
    Aerial observation may be carried out at any time over any or all areas of Antarctica by any of the Contracting Parties having the right to designate observers.
    Each Contracting Party shall, at the time when the present Treaty enters into force for it, inform the other Contracting Parties, and thereafter shall give them notice in advance, of
    all expeditions to and within Antarctica, on the part of its ships or nationals, and all expeditions to Antarctica organized in or proceeding from its territory;
    all stations in Antarctica occupied by its nationals; and
    any military personnel or equipment intended to be introduced by it into Antarctica subject to the conditions prescribed in paragraph 2 of Article I of the present Treaty.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @8 We always “dare”.
    “Article VII of the Antarctic Treaty and Article 14 of the Protocol on Environmental Protection to the Antarctic Treaty enable Antarctic Treaty Consultative Parties to conduct inspections in order to promote the
    objectives and ensure compliance with the provisions of the Antarctic Treaty and its Protocol.”

    Going to breach another treaty, are you? In accordance with the treaty provisions, you'd need the governments of Australia, Belgium, Chile, the French Republic, Japan, New Zealand, Norway, the Union of South Africa, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America to agree with you. Or its off to the ICJ. And yet another court case that argieland will LOSE!
    @10 Whoops. British claim predates argieland's by 34 years. But you can't have self-determination. Implanted population, remember?

    I'll be that, back in '82, you reckoned that Britain wouldn't “dare” sail south for 8,000 miles to kick your sorry asses of our territory. How did that go?

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Does anybody know of the research output of the Argentinian bases?

    Using the tiny Signy Island Brit. base (BAS) as a benchmark, do they do a valid amount of research, and where is it published?

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus The 2nd

    @13

    I think you are a little logistically befuddled. How can we have the most bases and permanent settlements in Antarctica and have no way of supplying them? If we can do that, I'm sure we can send some “soldiers” to inspect you. We just have the decency to try to coexist with those that are temporarily on Argentine Antarctica.

    @14

    I think you are more than befuddled. There would be no treaty if the “trusted” nations included only European nations, whom nobody trusts anyway, when the treaty is signed by countries from 6 continents.

    @15

    The mocking of hypocrites is nothing but positive. For you to be whinging about sending people to uninhabited lands is the acme of British Hypocrisy (pleonasm).

    @18

    No we won't. The British will leave us alone, as they wisely should.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    20 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
    Dec 13th, 2012 - 01:50 pm

    At the moment we are logistically supported by Brazil y Chile and on occasions by the UK and USA in our Antarctic bases. This is because our last icebreaker, ARA Almirante Irízar, was severely damaged by fire in 2007.

    As signatories of the Antarctic Treaty we also have to carry out inspections occasionaly, this is something that all contracting parties have to do, there is nothing agressive about it. I is just a matter of making sure that all provisions of the treaty are being upheld.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrolldamus The 2nd

    @22

    That is totally untrue and you know it. Brazil does not have an ice breaker at all, and Chile has one but it is 1/3 of the ice capacity of the Irizar. And why would they support us in our bases given we have more of them than the rest of Latin America combine.

    And the UK helping us, don't be a laugh.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @22 Nostril

    BNS Almirante Maximiano?
    BNS Ary Rongel?

    They may not be as big as ARA Almirante Irizar, but by all accounts they do appear less likely to catch fire and take at least five years (and counting) to be repaired or replaced.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    22 Nostrolldamus The 2nd (#)
    Dec 13th, 2012 - 03:01 pm

    Do you seriously think that the co-signatories of the Antarctic Treaty are a stupid as our actual government??????

    The watch-word of Antarctic (and Arctic) exploration and research is “Cooperation.”

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Before you reply to Nos. you must enter his mindset.

    Argentine --truthful, pure of thought and good. Beloved by the world.
    Europe -synonym Anglos -Hated and Liars.
    British - Archetype Anglos. Worlds biggest liars and hated by all nations on Earth - except a misguided few.

    Substitute this for any of his postings and you can save your brain from terminal seizure trying to understand what he is saying.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    '22 Nostrolldamus The 2nd
    @22

    That is totally untrue and you know it. ....Chile has one but it is 1/3 of the ice capacity of the Irizar. '

    Rollocks.... the ice capacity of the Irizar is zero negative.... what part of 'rooted ' are you having difficulty understanding?

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    When needed Argentina has been leasing the Russian icebreaker, the Vasiliy Golovnin, at US2million per month.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/08/russian-icebreaker-vasily-golovnin-supplying-argentine-antarctica-bases

    Further reading

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/02/08/russian-icebreaker-vasily-golovnin-supplying-argentine-antarctica-bases

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    We are surprised CFK did not ask [order, demand] that Brazil refuse entry to its port, by the royal navy ship.

    Dec 13th, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @20
    “permanent settlements in Antarctica”

    Implanted populations.

    Dec 14th, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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