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Paraguay blasts Mercosur and Argentina and calls to follow ‘Chile’s example’
Paraguay’s industrial union, UIP, lashed at Mercosur over the incorporation of Venezuela as a full member and Argentina’s reiterated lack of respect for signed agreements and understandings. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesRegarding Argentina Felippo said “it does not respect signed agreements, it confiscates goods at its own pleasure and arrogance and to make things even worse the country is facing all kinds of demands the world over for not honouring debts”.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good call Eduardo, you keep sayin' it like it is..............
If, by trading with criminals, one chooses to live by the sword, then one typically will find one is going to die by the same sword.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's generally how life works.
On the positive side, it is true Chile has followed a good and steady path towards sound economic prosperity. They still have a way to go and have to deal with difficult neighbours but they really do have a bright future.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Sure. Paraguay would do well to follow suit. As would Uruguay, and Brazil.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mercosur is just another vehicle for argentinians to manipulate the good intentions of other people, into something quite evil that suits their purpose.
I think the idea of Mercosur was probably a good one but it has never really achieved what it was designed to do. Some members want the power afforded to a trading block without accepting that it means playing by the rules of that block. It probably is just not suited to the style of government evident in some South American countries.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0what incredibly wise words. I never would have expected this from a unionist
Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@6 I hope you're not talking about me! because I cannot wait for Salmondland to leave the union after your king put them into it because he'd bankrupted his nation .... again. I'm pig sick of this nonsense stereotype of Scots being good with money, which is just utter pants. You can take your 'great political leadership' with you too, so that's Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Alistair Darling, Alistair Campbell, et cetera. The best part is of course, that when Scotland is dumped from the EU, we won't have to employ scottish citizens, because EU citizens will take precedence.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That'll give you all something to moan about.
@7 I think he was referring to the fact that the guy the original article is about is a trade unionist...
Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They say,
Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you cut out the rot early, you can save your self and others,
So why leave the CFK rot in there,
Cut it out and survive,
Leave it in and it will destroy you.
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@8 Ah, I see what you mean.... I feel a bit foolish now. La la la la la *slopes off*
Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unity, LOL what a joke nice to hear the truth for once
Dec 14th, 2012 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“argentina” & “honour” in the same sentence? and there lies his answer,
Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina has no honour something the world is finally seeing, thankfully.
oh the joy argentina has coming, all self inflicted too, you cant buy this kind of entertainment, priceless :)))
“The Chilean development way is the path for Paraguay, open economy, free markets and trade agreements with as many countries as possible; it’s time to get out of the straight-jacket Mercosur has represented for the country”
Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Felippo has been cutting and pasting my posts!
Elaine / Shed:
One big problem for Paraguay is that it is landlocked and effectively held hostage by Mercosur. Paraguay’s connection with a pragmatic trade group (and the Pacific) is through Bolivia, but now that route has been blocked too. I was saying on another post that only 1500km from the power hungry mines of Chile and Peru, there is a massive excess of cheap Paraguayan hydro power. It would be in the interest of Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay and Pachamama to join these dots.
PS Shed: that was an amazing leap @ 7, you totally lost me for a minute. Easy on the union. Now I don’t know if andy at 11 @ lol-ing at the lack of union in the UK or lack of union in Mercosur!
I suggest that, notwithstanding the past, Chile could hold out the hand of friendship to Paraguay. Perhaps Peru could join in. Paraguay must have a route to the Pacific Ocean. Arica would be a good spot. Bolivia has port facilities at Arica, I believe, but isn't really interested. Couldn't Paraguay take them over?
Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice title, “Paraguay blasts...” really Paraguay?? or just the Industrial Union??? Can the UIP speak for all the paraguay people?? i doubt it!
Dec 14th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Switzerland is completely surrounded by the EU, is landlocked and does very well regardless. I think it's more to do with what you have to sell and what others need. Paraguay really should strap on a pair and just tell Mercosur they don't want to be a part of it any more, and try to get involved in Pacific-based activities.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shed:
Dec 14th, 2012 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is true what you say about Switzerland, but the Swiss have very high-tec manufacturing and financial industries. Paraguay is agrarian and exports the same products as Brazil and Argentina. Paraguay needs ocean ports to get their exports to market. The Swiss are sat right in the middle of their biggest market with neighbours who respect them and their right to exist - not Paraguay’s case.
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Yes, but Paraguay would still need to have a workable deal with Bolivia to make transport to Arica feasible. With Bolivia soon to be in Mercosur, I don’t hold out hope or fair treatment for Paraguay. For Paraguay to survive outside of Mercosur, Bolivia is key. Unfortunately for Bolivia and Paraguay, Evo is taking them down the wrong road. Bolivia has free access to the Pacific and is stuffed full on minerals. Investment should be pouring in to the country.
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Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, Paraguay´s problem is its geography and size, and with the actual state of Mercosur it only isolated Paraguay more. Maybe Paraguay could get an agreement with Bolivia and Peru via CAN. while Bolivia is politically closer to Mercosur, econommically it actually beneficies more with the CAN and Peru does too, including Paraguay there could help it out of isolation and Peru and Bolivia with more resources and trade. it could even get Paraguay closer to the Pacific Alliance if it wishes .
In this scenario either Mercosur gets more flexible or CAN and Mercosur merges. I dont think it will merge given CAN members already have trade agreements with other countries that could get affected by Mercosur´s tax policy and Uruguay already understood this situation given its arguments in favor of more oppenes and flexibility after Venezuela inclusion, it would even benefit more Ecuador and Bolivia in the long run, they can´t ignore geography.
That would leave Brazil, Argentina, and Venezuela to decide what to do, more flexibility or more isolation from their neigbours. Argentina and Brazil could very well manage being more isolated and Venezuela with its petrol maybe, but Argentina and Brazil definitely need to get less protectinist between each other at least.
“”“”and Argentina’s reiterated lack of respect for signed agreements and understandings.“”“”“
Dec 14th, 2012 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0good luck with that old bean... should you ”win” anything just bear in mind that the Argentine Government will write it out of history, say it doesnt apply or you are a perfidious anglo.
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#17 100%.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay needs alternate routes to the sea. Bolivia for sure, and possibly Brazil via rail or dredged rivers. Colorado won't deal with Morales out of ideology, rather than being realistic and practical and trying to find some way to get Paraguayan products to the Pacific.
If Brazil and/or Bolivia start making money and creating jobs shipping to and from Paraguay, they will stand up to Argentina to protect their own profits.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/119350/us-moves-to-back-argentina
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, the US is a debtor nation. I remember the EP-3 incident just prior to 9/11, and am thinking of the dispute over the Sengkaku Islands. The US doesn't want a regional power to have a precedent to seize a US warship, because the State of Alabama might have defaulted on some bond held by a Chinese, Indian, Brazilian Bank.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, the vulture fund that holds the Argentina debt isn't the original debt holder AND is an Obama political opponent, which makes this easier for the WH.
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Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And they just love Argentina: www.atfa.org/
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Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that this has anything to with Paraguay but I don't think Argentina going bust right now would help the US economy, I doubt very much it's a benevolent act.
TRAITOR!
Dec 14th, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/12/royal-navy-officer-jailed-russia
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Dec 14th, 2012 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and what has this got to do with this article?
ignore the troll.
Dec 14th, 2012 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 023 Brit Bob (#) “And they just love Argentina: www.atfa.org/”
Dec 14th, 2012 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AFTA does not represent the USA. They are an organization of speculators using funds of quesationalbe origin that want to collect on the sweat of Argentines (and others). They operate from from nubulous offshore locations and do not pay US taxes. Their existence is largely unknown to the vast majority of Amricans and most of those that do, do not think very highly of them. The US Government wants to see them brought under control if not irradicated altogether.
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Dec 15th, 2012 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding Argentina Felippo said “it does not respect signed agreements, it confiscates goods at its own pleasure and arrogance and to make things even worse the country is facing all kinds of demands the world over for not honouring debts”.
what do you think about what Felippo said???
All of Latin America could go the way of the bankers for all I care, I'm sure if Chavez dies in Venezuela you may witness a paradigm shift in that country as well. That, combined with Paraguay's rankle at Mercosur and Uruguay and Brazil leaning towards a treaty with the EU... it maybe a plausible scenario that Argentina is alone in 3-5 in its isolationist, anti-northern stance.
Dec 15th, 2012 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's fine, if the others believe it's best for them to acquiesce to one-way trade that forces them to open their markets to the northerners but then sees their products detained, blocked, and turned back, or simply destroyed (after all the hard work to produce them) for “safety” reasons... it is clearly up to them to be hoodwinked in that fashion.
Argentina knows better than to trust those duplicitous, avaricious nations that have no real intention to be partners in increasing worldwide prosperity. Never were, and most certainly will not be now that they are sliding down the oily ramp of austerity and decline.
@30 I think you need to read up on 'Viveza criolla', the underpinning of Argentinian culture. Which in itself professes duplicitousness and avarice. It also explains why Argentinians do naught but tell lies, kill their weaker brown folk, and mistrust each other.
Dec 15th, 2012 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever you were talking about what just nonsense, once you have considered the above.
@31 i agree is 100% true is cultural.
Dec 15th, 2012 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Dec 17th, 2012 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0dany stop spamming
Dec 17th, 2012 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#13 “Felippo has been cutting and pasting my posts!”
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes thats what I thought, the resemblance is uncanny
#15 Indeed, a sloppy title, I thought at least it would have meant Franco, not that he really speaks for Paraguay either given how he came to power...
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