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Looting extends in Argentina: two people shot dead, dozens injured in clashes with police
A rash of looting and ransacking of supermarkets in Argentine major cities and several provinces left two people killed, dozens injured and hundreds arrested. The looting and vandalizing of supermarkets began in the Patagonian resort of Bariloche on Thursday and seemingly triggered a knock-on effect across different provinces, as similar incidents began to arise in Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Entre Ríos and Chaco provinces. Read full article
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Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember the same thing happening in Argentina back in 2002, the difference being that people back then went for foodstuff as their primary target. These people going for 50 inch LCD TV's makes me believe they are nothing but common criminals, especially having in mind that they seem to have been stopping and mugging cars (and the drivers) when forced back by the police.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even so, there must be a reason for the civil disorder and clearly not everything is a one would like it to be in the proud nation that is Argentina.
Truly sorry to hear this is happening, people, innocent people will be hurt and that is never a good thing.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I support the Islanders with every fabric of my body, but I am not gloating or eeven going to try and score points from this!
I hope it is over soon.
Reminds of the song
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER
No point in suffering if nothing comes from it, nothing will. hope it ends soon!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my barrio, only 2 of the 5 local small Chinese store are open. The others are shut down, closed. We'll see what it's like tomorrow. The government is blaming Moyano (they need a convenient scapegoat.) He's pretty pissed about it and there may be a showdown. I don't think they should have picked him,..a stupid move that will not make things better.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry I feel no sorry these people are like sheep
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skO86M5XV2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skO86M5XV2Q
Looks like even the dogs are looting in the second video
GOD BLESS THE LOOTERS MAY IT GROWN TO BAs soon
@6 Ptolemy
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't know where you live mate, whetther this is affecting you, sincerely hope your out of it and safe!
ptolemy
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That guy Moyano is saying the government is behind this and they are doing it to victimize themselves. If that is true, the current government would surely draw points from this situation and comments like andy65 at #7 makes no sense.
Actually, blessing criminals makes no sense whatsoever, and is only proof of failed morals and lack of respect for the law.
I understand one can criticise Argentina's politics, but there is a big step from doing that and hailing common criminals just because it suits your ideological agenda.
I'm truly sorry for what you are living through and give my respect to those people who understands to differ ideologies and agendas.
eventhough this has been orchestrated, it shows that many argentines are still poor and suffering. too bad my goverment neglects them by understating the true inflation figures.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JB
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government may be able to proove this indeed has been orchestrated, something I have no proof of or will present as a fact, but what really worries me is that either way, it's astonishing that should that be the case, it still doesn't answer the question as to why so many people are prepared to brake the law in order to follow instructions from someone else.
A government that is in control and doing things correcly, would never have to fear their citizens being canalized to perform these actions.
What an astounding realization that these poorly planned disturbances by punks have taken place in Chaco, Santa Fe, Entre Rios, and Buenos Aires... Anyone with more than just the brain stem can very well evidence a pattern and surmise an illative deduction. Lesson of the day, which I shall keep esoteric so that only the cultured people here may ruminate upon it:
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wir haben zu viele fremde Gammler in unserer Gesellschaft, die das Sozialsicherungssystem gefährden.
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On a trop de feignasses étrangers dans notre société, qui menacent le système de sécurité sociale.
Idiots! Riots are never orchestrated, once they start they get out of control. Very quickly and very violently, if you think someone can control a riot, you've never been in one. I have, and they are very, very, bad!
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But of course can you orchestrate a riot, reality check. It's true that they are impossible to control, but not at all impossible to orchestrate.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That said, there is no proof at all that these ones are being orchestrated by anyone, and as I stated in my above comment, it makes little difference regarding to the indication of how things are going in Argentinas political spectre.
dirty war round 2? the only war Argentina will ever win
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ofcourse the governmant will take no blame and as always
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
The problem is Cristina
if it looks like a la campora duck, walks like a la campora duck, smells like a la campora duck, then it's quite probably a la campora duck.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... either that or it's opportunistic poor people raiding LIDL for chewing gum.
One or t'other.
I take it you are posting from Argentina?
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have the riots stopped?
I may disagree with you over your claims. but I have no pleasure in seeing people suffer to make my point, some might, but not me. The injured will always be the innocent and I do not want that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to correct myself, I meant political spectra. Political spectre is just too amusing.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And andy, if you want to proove a point about your dislike towards Argentinas current government, maybe you shouldn't glorify criminals. It doesn't really help your arguments.
@9
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Moyano is saying the Govt. is victimizing him and the unions. http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=668593 (one of many sources.) And, it will make no difference “to prove this indeed has been orchestrated.” because the proof will be very murky and vague.
On another note, talking to one of the small Chinese store owners,..one of these small stores 3 blocks from me was looted and thus the reason some have shut down. I live near Barrio San Telmo.
@12
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many Brits do you think were among the rioting foreigners, Tobias? Europeans? Or what were they, exactly?
I might be wrong, ptolemy, but I just translated Moyano's statements on lanacion.com and even if google translate sometimes comes up with weird translations, the headline is hard to misinterpret.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1539288-hugo-moyano-esto-lo-orquesto-el-gobierno-para-victimizarse
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Roll out the tanks and drive over them. Take the flame throwers and burn down Villa 31 with everyeone in it. Its the best opportunity to get rid of this scum once and for all. Great timing to exercise your constitution and replace this trash with some European blood.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a world of difference between Thoreauvian Civil Disobedience and Communal Garden Looting. Curiously being a proponent of the former is a reason often used by the US border agencies to refuse a visa. Even though Thoreau was himself american and had fans such as Ghandi and Martin Luther King.
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't see any political orchestration in the LA or London riots. It seemed to be bored teenagers propelled by mob-rule.
@23 PRoRGFakeSepticTank
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should check that proposal with nation spokesman Nostrolldamus before you foam at the mouth too much. I believe he's not too hot on Europeans.
@22
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The headlines NEVER translate correctly. Read the article from numerous sources.
'The camera never lies' - Bucks Fizz (1981)
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Stevie I am not glorifying criminals what I am saying is I could not give a rats ass because if kirchner does a Malvinas rant tomorrow these looters will be out waving there flags so you keep to your thought and leave others to theres OK if kissing Argie ass is your thing the good on ya
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ptolemy
Dec 21st, 2012 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not only in the headline, it's also in the video that the headline refers to, he actually says that the government orchestrated it in order to victimize themselves. My Spanish might be rusty, and I confess I'm no good at reading or typing the language, but my understanding of the spoken language is enough to make out that he actually says that in the video.
Itøs in the same page I posted, have a look at it, minute 1:40
@22
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0..you are partially right Stevie. The translations swing both ways, dependent on what you are reading.
ProRG_Yank.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tanks and flamethrowers against your own people....... Nuff said................. sick fucker comes to mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roll out the tanks and parade them thhrough the streets. Things will calm down.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have to remember Argentinians don't have insurance like we do in the North. So when their small shops are sacked it is probably all the family has to their name.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0It looks like San Fernando is still on fire.
Whomever started this wants power.
I wonder who will win
Is Maxi still in the country?
Just like London a year and a half ago,one incident and then copy cat riots and looting ,one other thing in common hot summer weather. idle hands.......
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0ProRG_Yank.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now I recognise you. !!!
Your that, “American Merccenary” of legend!
Your the one on Mount Longdon, who ran away, crying “Momma”
Whilst the rest of those brave RG squaddies died holding thier positions.
Always wondered where that story came from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to hear our brave x Prime Minister who bravely defeated these Argies Lady Margaret Thatcher is recovering well tonight in hospital after surgery
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 'peasant's get to loot a 7-11 while CFK gets to loot the entire country.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0hardly seems fair.
Did not know the old girl was ill, hang on a mo! I'll turn sky news on.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm back, says she had a growth from her bladdder and is doing well, TV showed her walking out of the hospital.
Iron lady has a bigger pair than any man I ever met!
Looks frail though, god bless her.
Funny, when we needed someone to behave like a man!
It turned out to be a woman.
Tell you what, if she was around today, none of this shit would be going on. she would freeze KFC's tits of with one stare.
Maggie would not have put up with this crap!
I find it odd this has not reached downtown BA...yet...
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what tomorrow may bring?
I hear there are neighborhoods fighting over food stamps and the Mayor of San Fernando says the people are hungry.
Is this 2002 again? Was that 5 Presidents in 5 days?
GOD BLESS LADY MARGARET HILDA THATCHER ONE OF THE BEST MALE PRIME MINISTER THE UK EVER HAD.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@39
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has reached BA, but stores were ready and closed down. Never the less, some small stores were looted.
Any chance the looters will reache Kirchners residence?? theres bound to be some rich pickings there
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You saying they are still going on?
@40
Big balls mate, really big balls!
And on The Falkland Islands tonight there is peace and prosperity how any none Argentine can accept the treatment these guys have to face from a spineless country like Argentina.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well there is a fully armoured flame throwing tank, ready and waiting for ProRG Yank, to come and murder his fellow Argentines.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0What an hypocritical (sorry bout this) cunt!!!!!!!!
ProRG_Yank
I love the way tou care for your fellow Agentines!
This is how a senior Argie trade unionist describes his dear leader crissy Kirchner and for some reason seems to be in line with what we all have been saying for a while and I quote.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I think the president is unbalanced. The problems have overwhelmed her. We see it in the reality our society is living. She doesn't provide any solutions to legitimate demands,” he said”
Orchestrated or not, the fact is people are prepared to participate in this. Seemingly at the drop of a hat.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0However you look at this, and whatever your political perspective, this is a case of the “shit hitting the fan”.
@ProRg_Whatever-u-are
Your concern for your fellow countrymen is as underwhelming as it is inexplicable.
Flamethrowers against your own people! Tnuc!
With people like you on its side, Argentina doesn’t need external enemies.
ProRG_Yank
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems I how you a very, very, big apology, you seem to be the real thing. I thought your post was against your people. Read it again, I believe you may infact be an Argentine patriot.
I thought you were advocating violence against your fellow Argentines. Ambigous because of my lack of knowledge.
Which means you are a real yank, rebellious to the core!!!!
I unreseverdly, and totally, here in public, withdraw, all my vitriolic remarks published on here against you.
Whilst we may disagree on the Islands, it seems that we agree that Argentina should be for the Argentine people.
Now please, for christ sake tell me I have it right this time! you are in favour of the people and the tank and flame thrower remarks, are directed against the current power?and not against your fellow Argentines?
As Elvis Costello said when Maggie T dies there will be a long cue of people waitng to tramp down the dirt. I was 18 months unemployed under that bitch in a country that had no minimum wage. She crushed the unions and left the working classes to the dogs. I am not sure if i want her to die quickly or slowly and in much pain. But either way go rot in hell you old cow.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@32 - You haven't got any Tanks or Flamethrowers - The tanks are stuck in the garage waiting for spare parts that the supplier is refusing to supply unless paid upfront and the flamethrowers have no fuel.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@49
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt about that. If a PM doesn't make enemies she probably isn't doing her job. As for the unions, they needed some breaking. They could have reformed willingly under Labour but refused giving Thatcher a mandate to take a sledgehammer to them.
As confucious said, 'laws are meaningless when men are pure, and without enforcement when men are corrupt'.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You need more pure people.
CJvR
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think that, that a PM should make enemies to show he/she is doing his/her job properly, and those enemies being the unions, you most surely agree with CFK and her politics, as that is exactly what she is doing.
Otherwise it's just biased propaganda from your side, I would say.
You can not see thése kinds of áctions in UK becouse
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK has more políce powér than Argentina.
@50 Teaboy2,
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0They'll have to use catapaults & billycarts, then! lol
Stevie, I am not following your post, are you saying CFK organized the looting/riots to bring down the Unions?
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please clarify
Oh Happy Days, Oh Happy Days!
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the price of the daily food basket has just become deadly, Oh so sad :)
@9 You're funny. On a “political” level, argieland misses no opportunity to demonstrate that it has no regard for law, treaties, agreements, respect or anything else beside greed and selfishness. It seems that the populations of Bariloche and other places have taken this on board. The penalties of showing an example. Hey ho, argies, how do you like it?
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 How nice to see argieland reaping what it has sown.
@12 What a shame. What you need is some isolation. Follow that by ejecting all those who are not indigenous. It will meet your requirements. Simple clarification. Any “white” person is not indigenous. Eject them. That reduces the population by 97%. The social security system should be quite adequate for the remaining 3%. Especially as the “white” criminals should be removed with only the clothes on their backs.
@19 Where do you get the epithet “criminals”? Have these people been convicted of any crime? It looks to me like a group of disadvantaged, deprived people, people that CFK is supposed to represent, have decided to restore some “balance”. Since the “government” doesn't give a toss.
@23 Oh yes. The Venezuelan “Bolivarian” solution.
@32 Won't it be funny when the tanks break down part way along the road? Using the example of navy equipment.
@42 Any possibility that CFK is going to follow the British example? Renaming the Pink House as the Blood-Red House? Redecorated with real blood.
@49 Diddums. I do hope you will go ahead to prepare her way. WE don't need people like you. Very nearly as bad as an argie.
@54 Pissed again!
@55 LOL - They haven't got the parts for them either, or any glue to put them together ;-)
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there anyone here to know who is “” Jose Delgado “” ??
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yankeeboy
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read CJvR's post to get a better understanding of what I mean, I can't put it any clearer than that
conqueror
People that steals 50 inch LCD's are not people in need, they are mere criminals.
Just take a look at the images.
Do not talk yourself !
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the poor take what they want,
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the goverment blames the union, who blames the goverment,
still,
CFK will have a great christmas..
will the poor ?/
Argentine's Around the world love CFK we support her 100% and demand this looters to take their protest to the US and UK embassy and hold a national von fire there to help them see the light and share the love.
Dec 22nd, 2012 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are around the world because it's an exodus.......lol
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0briton I am not sure is cuntina will have a great Christmas, but she will certainly have a better one the the 30% plus in abject poverty in argentina because she can no longer control and run her nation. Not that she ever did. I am she she is on Lithium IV over the last few days.......Chubby Chavo had a trach so he can breath and is on life support. The weather is killing her only chances to gain trade currency. The new year should unroll to be an even more erratic year.
I invite the looters to concentrate in front of the US and UK embassy to collect the papers for their land in Malvinas Argentina and their fishing rights as well as their oil share and tax revenues. Come on down And take your share before it's all gone.
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 065 Captain Poppy
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she is losing, and going down hill fast,
but no doubt we will all get the blame,
for her corupt policies..
briton I see that alex is encouraging what argentine peronists ultimately all resort too, criminal actions because they cannot function in a normal manner. He's like a fart that can't even produce an odor.....all noise. Not even a real argentine....an illegal hiding in the shadows of Canada.
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha.
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To friends and opposition alike
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Christmas Wish For You
My Christmas wish for you,
Is not a simple one
For I wish you hope and joy and peace
Days filled with warmth and sun
I wish you happiness and friendship too
Throughout the coming year
Lots of laughter and happiness
To fill your world with cheer
May you count your blessings, one by one
And when totaled by the lot
May you find all you've been given
To be more than what you sought
May your journeys be short, your burdens light
May your spirit never grow old
May all your clouds have silver linings
And your rainbows pots of gold
I wish this all and so much more
May all your dreams come true
May you have a Merry Christmas friend
And a happy New Year, too ..
We wish you a merry Christmas
(Poet – anonymous)
@66 They won't listen to you. They despise the cowardly Argentines hiding out in rich countries.
Dec 23rd, 2012 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's 2:35pm here in Norfolk UK on Christamas Eve. to:
Dec 24th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lep
Slatzzz
briotn
Conq.
Eb
Isolde
Piarate love
Clyde
Andy
Pug H
Anbar
TB2
Ptol
Yankeeboy
Cap
Condurito
Chicrueo
Brasilea
Think the Santa Turnip
Malvi
LT
TT
ProRG Yank
And to all I may have missed here. May you all have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Elaine where do you suppose KFC is? She has been awefully quiet of the past several days.
Dec 24th, 2012 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can confirm that Kristina the rat Kirchner as been seen Christmas Shopping in Pyongyang North Korea with son Maximo
Dec 24th, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear long grain rice is in vogue this year in North Korea as the gift of the wealthy to give.
Dec 24th, 2012 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was also confirmed that a poster from this forum under the name of Stevie was walking two steps behind Crissy and Maximo carrying there purchases made up of rice and botox.
Dec 24th, 2012 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is really tragic, and suspicious too - I certainly wouldn't put it past the Moyano/Clarin axis to do this as Cristina is on a roll and all their corrupt asses are in danger...
Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
Dec 24th, 2012 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77 BK HUMBUG TROLL
Dec 24th, 2012 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is really tragic, and suspicious too - I certainly wouldn't put it past the CFK/La Campora axis to do this as Moyano is on a roll and all her corrupt ass is in danger...
LOL BK - you really have nothing of substance to say, do you?? :-)
merry xmas to all brits.
Dec 24th, 2012 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0god save the queen.
Any punter thinking of taking a cruise next year is stuck with a hard choice.... a company with balls going to Punta Arenas/Torres del Paine, Falklands, South Georgia or a weak as piss half as salty company running to BA.....
Dec 26th, 2012 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hard choice :)
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