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Argentine Defence minister ‘ashamed’ of the Santisima Trinidad sinking in port
Argentine Defence Minister Arturo Puricelli said that the sinking of the destroyer ARA Santísima Trinidad could have been a planned sabotage attack, but also confessed that when President Cristina Fernandez asks him why the ship sank his face drops with embarrassment. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Puricelli’s statements and excuses are regrettable and pitiful” said Solanas adding that he should really be ashamed because “we have become the laughing stock of the world, our men-o-war sink in our main naval base”.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Mr Solanas. Its about time that the Argentine government started accepting RESPONSIBILITY for their actions instead of always looking around for someone else to blame.
Until they do, Argentina will never improve.
well
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you must of known about it,
and you did nothing,
perhaps if you people cared more for your very own things , equipment,
and stop worrying about the British falklands,
that poor abandoned loney sick unloved ship, would be in a better position today,
would it not .
A full enquiry?
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite simple.
Ships, even when in port, require maintenance, especially if they are old.
Neglect that, and the sad sight of a Destroyer trying to turn belly up is the result.
The poor girl should have been scrapped years ago.
You should resign, Mr Puricelli.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'On its way to the scrapyard'? Nothing in RGland goes to the scrapyard, not the trains, not the planes, not the ships. Check out the railway marshalling yards scattered across BA full of derelict rolling stock, the half sunk hulks around San Fernando and Mar del Plata and the elephants' graveyard of aeroplanes as you approach Ezieza....
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pretty bizzare really as there is lots of US$$ in scrap.
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Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here here!
Either that or CFK will sack him anyway.
TWIMC
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She sank 38 years too late....
'Amidst the controversy over the “Holy Trinity”, Cristina gets in Olivos to Puricelli''
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Santisima-Trinidad-Cristina-Olivos-Puricelli_0_853114836.html
He really must have photos of KFC with a donkey.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How else does he survive? Espora, Liberturd and now this... an incompetent bufoon in charge of an incompetent military. Anyone other than a selfserving peronista snotgob would have resigned long since.
@5 I neglected to mention all the ex naval hulks behind the naval academy at La Plata... you have to wonder why Davidoff felt the need to go to South Georgia.
(9) Frank the Yank
Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“An incompetent bufoon in charge of an incompetent military.”
I say...:
I agree completely...
Even a yanki turnip has his moments!
Oh dear, no wonder they don't want to put to sea, you really wouldn't want to be serving in an ARA Muy Oxidado, can you imagine the Royal Navy having to come to the aid of an Argentine ship, I can seriously see that happening at some point. Still, a sunk Argentine ship is a good Argentine ship, even if they're doing it themselves :-)
Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sabotage” really?? why would anyone go through the trouble of such a pointless mission with a chance of being caught and implicated, when the vessel in question is due for the scrapyard??, what would be the point it had already been canibalized!!
Jan 24th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or maybe to say the vessel was sabotaged is the first rule in the Argentine book of politics on “How to cover ones arse” closely followed by “How to pass the book”.
Try paying your maintainence on your navy and maybe just maybe they will be afloat long enough to be sunk at the RNs discretion.
SELF-DETERMINATION!
At this rate Argentina won't have a navy for us to worry about. Their government will have sunk all of their ships for us!!
Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you worry, Putrid Jelly. Just tell The Hag that the British would have blown it out of the water anyway. We built it. We'd know how to destroy it. Isn't that why you lot ran away in '82? Or is just that you're cowards? Actually, thinking about it, argie like to crow about the 6 British vessels put out of action/sunk in '82. Why do they never mention the 7 they lost? Why do they never mention that the FAA and RAF crucified their aviation? 255 British dead. 3 Falkland Islanders. 649 argies. But, regrettably, 775 British wounded. 1,657 argie wounded. 115 British prisoners. 11,313 argies.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a tip, Putrid. Rename yourself Minister of Slobs. It would best describe your “forces”. They might be good at intimidating and killing civilians. Crap at opposing a real army. Or marines. Or air force. Or navy. And we've never sent our Armoured Division.
@10 Then don't try to threaten. We'll wipe the floor with you and then crap on your remains. There is NOTHING in or about arsieland that we give a toss about. In Afghanistan, we are being “nice”. Don't expect the same. YOU threaten OUR people. YOU are NOTHING. Walking targets. Running targets. Hiding targets. Just targets!
@14
Jan 24th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, we didn't build ARA Santísima Trinidad. This was the one they built.
ARA Hercules is still afloat because it has “MADE IN BRITAIN” stamped on the bottom!
Supposedly this web site is intended for South Atlantic News but what I see are domestic news from Argentina. If we have so much hatred could start not talking so much about us, do not you think? I do not read more “clarin.com” or “infobae.com” with less local news in my country that this site .. ja
Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the Harbour, against the wall. And they managed to allow it to capsize.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's like Monty Python, but better.
ROFLMFAO
@16
Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer - Entertainment, pure entertainment.
@XAVIERV Why read Argentine Press your governmant is strangling press freedoms so how can you belive what you read?? come here my friend anytime we British and Americans will gladly tell you the truth of what is happening in your country, as for now things are not looking to good.
Jan 24th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 19
Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am Latino and temperamental .. I could not live the life that you live complacent whites .. In your country, you drive by your lane, you get to the corner for the light to give you the green light, you go home, your neighbor greets you, you go turn on the light, you turn the heat, you take a hot shower and then view TV news ... A total boredom! But here, the cars come in without warning, crossing red traffic lights, your neighbor or you go you either challenged by anything, open the door and you have light, you cut off the gas, the water pipe is broken, the Cable you stole it .. Here's more fun my friend ... LIVE HERE!
@20 Riiiight so what you're saying is that living in a chaotic, crime-ridden, inefficient, dilapidated dump where someone may slit your throat for your wallet at any moment is your version of a theme park ride. Intriguing.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@20
Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you wonder why the Falkland Islanders don't want to be Argentine?!
Only a madman would live in a society where it is every person for themselves and the head of state steals hundreds of millions to stash them in a Swiss bank, is actually certifiably mad, a bi-polar mad woman off her medication, with a fat psychotic son in charge of a group of murdering thugs who act as her private Mafia. Whilst all other politicians are either toads & yes men who do her bidding, or cowards incapable of organising a Coup d'etat to depose her with a military that was neutered to prevent them starting another Junta.
@20
Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should work for the Argentine tourism industry “hey a sunk ship, gas cut off, no cable, it's all part of the rich tapestry of Argentine life”
Lol, once again, pure entertainment!
We are a nation rich in natural resources with a bad case of being unable to organize anything at all, and screamimg out loud to the world “we have no idea how to protect ourselves”... Please UK, France, USA, Trinidad & Tobago, someone PLEASE put us out of our misery
Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apologies in advance but I'm cutting and pasting XAVIERV's post.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0One, to make sure there is a record of it should his post disappear,
Two, to make sure I wasn't dreaming it.
'' 20 XAVIERV (#) Jan 25th, 2013 - 12:05 am Report abuse
@ 19
I am Latino and temperamental .. I could not live the life that you live complacent whites .. In your country, you drive by your lane, you get to the corner for the light to give you the green light, you go home, your neighbor greets you, you go turn on the light, you turn the heat, you take a hot shower and then view TV news ... A total boredom! But here, the cars come in without warning, crossing red traffic lights, your neighbor or you go you either challenged by anything, open the door and you have light, you cut off the gas, the water pipe is broken, the Cable you stole it .. Here's more fun my friend ... LIVE HERE!''
@25 I think it shows a fine sense of humour. I would agree that suburban UK life is boring.... but at the same time there is 'excitement ' and then there is 'excitement'.......
Jan 25th, 2013 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Jan 25th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you guarantee that I will be repeated in the outskirts of London?
@22
I think you're peeing out of the jar. Never occur to us to be Argentine or take our “chaotic” culture. Can remain English, Chilean or Pakistani if you wish. Because here it is common nationality of the inhabitants of the islands but the possession of the same.
@23
In like working in tourism. But my profession is more entertaining, I teach math. My task is commendable I tame a wild, barbaric and disrespectful Argentine adolescents. Surely it could not be in an English school where sophistication reigns of manners.
@ 25
Could you tell me what is your IQ?
@ 26
Here is a man with discretion. I tip my hat to you sir Frank.
Has anyone thought that maybe if the only way the Argentina's elite can hold on to power is to wip up the country into a nationalist frenzy, a competent thing to do is also remove as many sharp objects as possible. After all it is not that long ago that an Argentinian sailor pulled a gun dock workers for asking him to moor his yacht a short distance away.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just look at some of the posters on here. They have always been a bit wacky, but as an example, Nutjob the 8th has really looked as though he is suffering mental health problems over the last few days. I am actually quite worried about him.
If this is deliberate sobotage by CFK, then she is to be applauded
Maybe sticking them in the international equivelant of a padded cell to calm down might be the best thing for everyone.
Sabotage, now there's a convenient excuse and politically, a lot less damaging than loss through neglect. When her royal indulgence has recovered from her jaunt, courtesy of a British firm and resurfaces, she will no doubt grasp the sabotage theory with both hands.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@26 I agree I thought it was a statement made with humour.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I kinda like the chaos of BsAs too but I find it frustrating after a few months; as do many Argentines. It would be a dull world if all cultures were the same.
Talking to one of my Argentine friends living in BsAs last night mostly about personal stuff but she did say, “It is getting edgy here, people want Cristina out”.
I would rather live in BA than in Surbiton.....
Jan 25th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Subject to the usual caveats... access to unlimited $US.... etc
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Jan 25th, 2013 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even those former die hard and supercilious Kirchner admirers in the form of BK, Think and Dover seem to be losing the faith. Or perhaps Old Cristina's just stopped paying them.
@32 You can disagree with my view that the Falkland Islands colony should be integrated into the UK but you really, really, can't justify accusing me of admiring the President of Argentina, either as a woman or as a politician.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 - DOD
Jan 25th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times to you have to be told that the Falkland Islands are NOT a colony but a SELF-GOVERNING Overseas Territory. The difference is so obvious that a single celled amoeba could understand.
I know the standard of education in Argentina is poor, but I didn't think it was this bad. If you have difficulty with the big words you could try looking them up in a dictionary.
p.s. You also need glasses and an urgent psychiatric assessment too.
I have it on good authority that this sabotage was committed by a group of kelpers led by la Kretina's good friend, David Cameron, the British Prime Minister.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already admitted it on another thread. I used a wok to deflect gamma rays to cause a burst pipe onboard. Seriously. Now they just have to catch me mwahahahaha.
Jan 25th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I need a white cat to stroke.
LEPRecon @34
Jan 25th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually the standard of education in Argentina is not poor - compared with many developing nations its education system is quite advanced.
Their problem is their arrogance - they really and truly believe they are the greatest nation in the world!
@36 elaineb
Jan 25th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About time SPECTOR got in on the act!
@34 Get someone to read out loud to you the UK Legislation that gives the Falkland Islands its Constitution without them being a part of the UK and try to pay a bit of attention to the part about reserved powers. The following night, get them to read out to you the list of Non Self Governing Territories still recognised by the UN. Then ask yourself who is having difficulty understanding the real world. Eyesight can be corrected, psychiatrists can treat many mental illnesses but your intellectual inadequacies are clearly the fault of your mum and dad.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Bend over dover talking about the real world priceless, been down the Legion again?
Jan 26th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 Doveoverdover
Jan 26th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The list of Non Self Governing Territories named by a totally discredited sub- committee of the United Nations which consists of representatives of countries which can hardly been deemed to be “democratic” (Cuba?) does include several former British colonies none of which would appear to have been consulted about this designation. Furthermore, the chairman of this committee is an Ecuadorian politician who has never visited the Falkland Islands in spite of having been invited by the authorities of this Self Governing Territory.
Once this committee shows it really knows what it is talking about then perhaps it will be deserving of some respect.
@41 plus bend overdover probably got that info off wikipedia which anyone can change but I agree with you they are a sub commitee and totally discredited, they will cease to exist shortly. If the head of the UN says the result of the vote will be the end of the matter who cares what these idiots think, lets face it, it's only an excuse to have a piss up, for CFK to vent her spleen, and bendoverdover to talk pish.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Musky, best to keep Elaine's white pussy out of this.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No, Mr Timerman, I expect you to die”
@41 Gordo1. Appearances must be deceptive. They are consulted every year in regional seminars and at the relevant session of the Committee. The implication that one needs to visit the Islands in order to understand the problem of decolonising this Non-Self Governing Territory is equally false.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42 Got what off Wikipedia? The list of NSGT? Oh really. And as we are in questioning mood, just who is this Head of the UN who has the power to declare an end of the matter, in your opinion?
@44 well i think ban the man will have a big say in it along with maybe the president of the United States and a few other names you might recognise if you weren't so far up your own arse. As for your Non self Govening statement that will all be resolved very soon so get over it, now back down to the legion.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Decolonisation Committee consists of the following countries:
Jan 26th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Antigua & Barbuda, Bolivia, Chile, China, Congo, Côte D'Ivoire,
Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, Ethiopia, Fiji, Grenada, India, Mali,
Nicaragua, Papua New Guinea, Russian Federation,
Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia,
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Sierra Leone,
Syrian Arab Republic, Timor-Leste, Tunisia,
United Republic of Tanzania and Venezuela.
With a few exceptions it is a group of countries upon which one can hardly rely for democratic decisions. Furthermore, it seems to exist solely at the request of Argentina as no other country seems to bother so much about falsely claiming sovereignty over any of the other countries/colonies on the list provided by this group of misfits. Spain would have to renegotiate the Treaty of Utrecht in order to recover Gibraltar as in said treaty the Rock was ceded to Britain in perpetuity according to the terms of said treaty.
However, as the General Secretary of the UN has clearly stated that “self determination” is the first priority which affects the Falkland Islands then we must just await developments. I look forward to seeing Argentina with “egg on its face”!
@45 It's warm and comfortable up there so I'll wait a while longer to see if the Gang of Two plus x (where x is a number known only to you) inform the rest of the UN members that the problem's solved. Bernard sends his regards.
Jan 26th, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 The SG was anything but clear in his recent statement to the press. I recall it had something to do with developing competencies first, though.
@47
Jan 27th, 2013 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's all a red herring anyway, Commander. The key issue for the decolonization process isn't the precise nature of the constitutional arrangements between the metropolitan country and the (former) colony or NGST, it's the fact that those arrangements are freely chosen by the inhabitants of the latter.
No wonder the Malvinistas, their agents, sympathisers, and sock puppets are so desperate to undermine the referendum.
@48 Your principle of free choice worked well for, say, Sierra Leone but, as is regularly pointed out by Malvinistas, this is not about what the electorate (*) wants but about the legal or illegal possession of territory. It is the Referendum that is the Red Herring unless there is a No vote to stimulate a discussion on the future constitutional arrangements.
Jan 27th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0*an electorate that first generation immigrants freely admit is tightly controlled to prevent the wrong inhabitants joining the electorate.
@49
Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0> this is not about what the electorate (*) wants but about the legal or illegal possession of territory
Indeed, it's a good solid Argentine viewpoint that the electorate don't count.
The only thing is, this viewpoint is inconsistent with the other good solid Argentine viewpoint that the Falklands question falls under the UN decolonization process. That process, after all, is entirely about what the electorate wants.
Bit of a Malvinista conundrum there. The dratted referendum has exposed a basic contradiction. Either the issue is legality, in which case the locals don't count, or it's decolonization, in which case, unfortunately, the locals do count.
But then the decolonization song is the one that plays best at the UN, especially when on the legal issue you have barely a leg to stand on.
If it were me with a Malvinista case to support, I guess I would try to square the circle by claiming that constitutional arrangements keep the issue in the decolonization process, while snidely suggesting the referendum is rigged, or the electorate undeserving. It would be helpful too if a Brit could be found to push the sort of unreconstructed imperialist view that delights anglophobes everywhere
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@50
Jan 27th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was the UK that introduced the Falkland Islands Crown Colony and the others to the UN decolonisation process. That is not my opinion, it is in the official UN record. We are the ones that have failed to work the system ( a system very much of our own post war making) sufficiently well enough to correct that mistake.
The Referendum is just another tactic that I predict will fail to move the debate forward. It isn't exercising self determination, it is a consultation and the true purpose is so transparent as to be embarrassing to anyone with experience of multinational organisations. No wonder the Minister who sanctioned it was moved on and the FCO civil servant who recommended it has been sentenced to live with his mistake.
Only Independence or Integration will put an end to this decolonisation circus and the UK Government is historically and currently against both. This needs to change and so a NO vote and a debate is needed.
To be clear, I don't believe the Referendum will be rigged in any procedural sense. I have never hinted snidely or otherwise that it would be. There is no need to rig it for the reason we both know. Neither is the Electorate undeserving of the opportunity to express an opinion, which it has every four years or every year if you count the Assembly members as delegates of the Electorate. To have an unconstitutional referendum in March and a constitutional election in November of the same year only highlights the PR nature of the Referendum.
As for the suggestion that I have been “found” to advance the Argentinean cause you are mistaken. I am an unequivocal advocate of integration into the UK of all the British Overseas Territories (TLA for colonies). Any coincidence of interest with Argentina is both incidental and irrelevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWvY1vz-Dzg
Jan 27th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As incidental and irrelevant as comment free links.
Jan 27th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only Independence or Integration will put an end to this decolonisation circus
Jan 27th, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is false. There are 4 ways a territory can decolonise, not 2. It is the C24 which is failing to fulfil its obligations, not the UK.
@54 It is my opinion that of the options only two are undeniable ends to colonisation. The other two are fudges open to accusations of manipulation by the colonial power.
Jan 28th, 2013 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You call them fudges, the UN calls them options. Wonder who has the sway here!!
Jan 28th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN obviously. The same UN that isn't sponsoring or monitoring the March Referendum.
Jan 28th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dover
Jan 28th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No wonder the Minister who sanctioned it was moved on and the FCO civil servant who recommended it has been sentenced to live with his mistake”.
What makes you think this is factual. Do you have a link?
The Referendum will be of benefit if only to demonstrate to a wider audience the idiocy of Arturo Puricelli, who once said that the UK was using military force “to keep the Falkland Islanders as hostages”. Has he been moved on or is he simply living with his mistake(s).
Whatever you and Argentine countrymen believe, self determination is a powerful and compelling argument and it is important that the true views of the Islanders are heard. Who knows one day “self determination” may work in Argentina's favour.
Argentina might not like the result in this instance but then if it had behaved properly and not resorted to blockades and blackmail, the Islanders may well have viewed Argentina and Argentinians differently.
I'm surprised that the gallant Commander DODO hasn't commented on the article that is under discusion, “Argentine Defence minister ‘ashamed’ of the Santisima Trinidad sinking in port”, given that he is a retired RN commander one would think he would have something to say about such a naval occurrence!!!!!!
Jan 28th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Just for you. To be honest, the trials and tribulations of the ARA in this regard ceased to be of interest to me years ago. I well recall the sad demise of Veinticinco de Mayo in similar circumstances.
Jan 28th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might be wrong Simon 68 but I thought he claimed to be a UK civil servant.
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