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CELAC is “no threat for OAS, rather a useful component” says Insulza
The Community of Latinamerican and Caribbean States, CELAC, is “no threat” but rather a useful component for the Organization of American States, OAS, said Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza during his attendance to the Celac summit meetings. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSeriously though, how many organisations do these uneducated people need to have? There seems to be one for every day of the week, and they all have overlapping remits such that nothing they say can have any purpose. Every single one of them simply seems to be there to provide 'the evil' with a pulpit to rant from, and the USA and Canada just have to sit there staring at the poor people.
Jan 29th, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Few regions of the world have so many overlapping and hence useless regional organisations.
Jan 29th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazon Cooperation Treaty Organisation (ACTO)
Andean Community of Nations (CAN)
-Andean passport
Association of Caribbean States (ACS)
Bank of the South (BancoSur)
Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas (ALBA)
Caribbean Community (CARICOM)
-CARICOM Single Market and Economy
-CARICOM passport Central American Integration System (SICA)
-CARIPASS
-Caribbean Court of Justice
Caribbean Development Bank
Caribbean Free Trade Association (CARIFTA)
CARIFORUM
Central America-4 Border Control Agreement
Central America-4 passport
Corporación Andina de Fomento (CAF)
Dominican Republic–Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA-DR)
Eastern Caribbean Currency Union
Free Trade Area of the Americas
G3 Free Trade Agreement
Initiative for the Integration of the Regional Infrastructure of South America (IIRSA)
Inter-American Development Bank (IDB)
Latin American Integration Association (ALADI)
Latin American Economic System (SELA)
Latin American Parliament (Parlatino)
Mercosur
-Mercosur Parliament
Organization of American States (OAS)
Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States (OECS)
Organisation of Ibero-American States (OEI)
Pacific Alliance
Petrocaribe
Rio Group
SUCRE
Union of South American Nations (Unasur)
-South American Parliament
United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC, CEPAL)
So yeah Raul, this organisation is going to be different.
“33 independent nations as a space of regional sovereignty to promote integration, dialogue, cooperation and solidarity”.
Well by my counting this is the THIRTY NINTH promotion of ”integration, dialogue, cooperation and solidarity”.
Does practice make perfect?
CELAC
Jan 29th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0could well be the biggest danger to south Americans since the false prophacy.
The problem I see with both groups is that so far neither one of them have shown themselves capable of a real positive effect on the region. OAS stopped being relevant after the end of the cold war and CELAC has been good in talking but needs to begin to show more tangible results or concrete proyects at least.
Jan 29th, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mister Jose Miguel Insulza speaks a different political language from the CELAC spokespersons; he 'double-speaks', though maybe he believes it and deludes himself.
Jan 29th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CELAC has split off from the OAS to do one thing and one thing only ...
to re-create the North - South Divide.
The CELAC states have a hope that they can make it on their own without the greatest economic powerhouse of the world - which 'unfortunately' (like them) is an integral part of The Americas.
They hope that, in isolated association, they can stand apart from the great powerblocs of the world, manipulating and controlling the draw-down of their resources in their own interests - like the (Arab) oil cartel did a generation back.
Whilst Brasil (alone) may one day join the Premier League, it can only do that by progressively playing in that League.
If it plays predominantly in the CELAC League it will always win their League Cup but will never, never be a big-league player.
Perhaps it has chosen this course already, for if it were 'going for broke' it would have already 'bashed heads together' within the Continent.
Sad. Perhaps Dilma is right - Brasil will have to disproportionately militarize in order to back up the banging of heads.
I think you are reading too much into this, while is certainly true that some left leaning presidents have used anti-US discourse, the great majority are just interested in a closer relationship with neigbours and sister nations, lest not forget most Latam nations already have a strong trade with US-EUROPE-CHINA but isn´t nearly as related in trade terms along its peers, which can be problematic given the actual systemic crisis the world is suffering.
Jan 30th, 2013 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see CELAC as just taking a clue of Asia´s OPEC to keep a more balanced trade and weather the actual crisis, it will not be easy, it will not be quick and if the political discourse stays stronger than actual actions it can fail , but I do see some progress compared to before when so much regional groups were fragmenting dialogue between latam countries.
Thanks, Elena.
Jan 30th, 2013 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two processes are at work:
1. the creation of a basket containing all nations of the region
2. the advancement of individual nations within this disparate basket.
I fear that the two will pull each other apart.
Perhaps the US-Mexico/Canada model will prevail, with Brasil helping its many neighbors to advance.
But if all the neighbors hold Brasil back - perhaps for idealogical reasons - all will suffer.
(Similarly, Germany within the EU is suffering as well as benefiting, but it has already 'made it'.)
It's a difficult 'circle to square'.
You are welcome Geoff ;)
Jan 30th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh certainly a lot of things could go wrong but that happens with most proyects or political forums, I am just optimistic about this one because it pursues ideological, pragmatic,economic and political similar ends for most latam nations.
-Also, especially because of this disparities is that there are so many regional forums to manage them, CELAC would or is more like a central forum in which all else groups can agree or disagree between them or like with Pacific Alliance and Mercosur, get together to plan future actions. this in fact was one of the reasons for its creation, to help organize or in some cases getting rid of past groups that ran off theirs usefulness.
- I don´t think neither Nafta nor EU should be emulated for this group, precisely because this is a extremely diverse group with economies at different stages of development, nations with different climates, etc , it could instead, at least from the begining, pursue complementary economies I think. From what I could see from some reviews of the reunions, they are basically pursuing things like, infraestructure development between nations, with the help of Unasur which already has some experience on this, inmigration, regional banks, CELAC already has a representative at UN I think.
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