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Argentina says three-side dialogue on Falklands/Malvinas issue is unthinkable
Argentine ambassador in the UK, Alicia Castro described the coming Falkland Islands referendum on March 10/11 as a ‘media ruse’ and insisted that a three-side dialogue on Malvinas sovereignty is ‘unthinkable’ because the issue is bilateral: UK/Argentina. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules‘media ruse’ .. ' a media stratagem '..'a publicity campaign'...
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well she would know about that sort of thing....
Tough. Any negotiation about the ownership of the Islanders' home will include the Islanders. It's that simple.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain doesn't have any obligation to change the status quo, if Argentina wants to keep pressing their bullshit claims, they'll have to sit across the table from the residents of the territory they want to annex and give their case face-to-face rather than running to powerless NGOs and third world dictatorships to spout their rubbish far from those big scary FI representatives.
Man up or quit whining, RGs
if the referendum is not legal and will be ignored, why is Argentina so worried :) mmm
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the leader of the UN said that the U.K Goverment is not in breatch of any of The UN rules, so i'm afriad that their wrong and we are right.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have to speak to the Falklnders as they live their its their home ( has she not learnt and her goverment not learnt anything in the last 31 years !).
So much damage has been done by CFK and her Goverment, that it will take genarations to be put right. I can't ever see the Falklanders going back to Argentina at all its never ever going to happen,
She is correct, the sovereignty of the islands is a bi-lateral subject between the islanders and the British Government. There should be absolutely no room for the third party.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The third party who's sum total control of the islands amounts to 130 days, half in 1832 punctuated by mutiny, rape and murder and the other half in 1982 punctuated by the deaths of 900 people. There should be absolutely no room for them.
However, I do think that GENUINE 19th century colonialism is unacceptable, so would support tri-lateral dialogue between Argentina and the ethnic Patagonians, the FIG could be a third party overseer to ensure Argentina return the usurped land back to its true owners, the original true South American population....jajajaja
I can't remember any Ambassador to the USA ever causing such a commotion. I wonder if we would send them home?
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RGs have no dignity,
“Argentina says three-side dialogue on Falklands/Malvinas issue is unthinkable”
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To their tiny minds, it is “unthinkable”....... To everyone else in the world, who has more than two brain cells to rub together, it is common sense..................
Poor, poor dear, tiny minded, hate filled, Ambassador Castro........ Pity her.
P.s Is it me, or does she look like a man in drag?
so you keep saying change the fookin record trolley dolly, starting to panic now, backed into a corner, international opinion going against them, SA countries changing sides, Mr Moon and the UN backing the referendum, more and more countries coming down on the Falklands side, eat shit and fook off rgenweener, your goverment has embarrassed you in front of the WHOLE world and I dare say you won't let us down in the next few weeks. Hire monkeys you get nuts, reep what you sow.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She added that another issue of concern is the “militarization of the region”, given the massive presence of British forces in the South Atlantic which she said represent a “risk”. Hasn't happened and everyone knows it, less troops there than has been for years, and why are they there ask yourself that question trolly ginger whinger. Your defence secretary stated publicy that if they WEREN'T there rgenweener would have invaded AGAIN. FAIL FAIL. Sussie ten names don't even bother to respond to me cause you know you have NO arguement and this ginger twat proves it. Shame you could have had a big input now you'll have absolutely sweet fook all, because of your beligerance and lets face it STUPIDITY, keep talking the world is listening............................and laughing.
she does look like a drag, I thought that too ha ha.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL - No, it's not you........
You could compare the buck-teeth to 'Jessica Rabit', exept that charecter was more attractive.....
This makes me really sad. Why does it keep becoming more and more aggressive?
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the easiest solution would be for the Falklanders to vote to be independent from the UK and then could “renegotiate” their relationship with the UK - (ie we will give them all the same support as now, if they want it). Maybe that would get the argies of their backs. But I doubt it. The government dont give a shit about the falklanders, much as they dont give a shit about their own indigenous population (http://indigenousnews.org/2012/09/21/un-rapporteur-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples-asks-argentina-to-stop-evicting-indigenous-peoples/). This sort of aggression is completely irrational. what the hell would they do with the islands if they had them?!
Why dont they just go threaten Uruguay instead? it is
1. closer to the Argentine mainland than the falklands (therefore surely more argentine?!)
2. Colonised like the falklands was (only by spanish speakers - why should that make a difference?)
3. smaller than they are.
A perfect alternative victim, no?
Argieland, why don't you take your “case” to the ICJ? Oh yeah, it's because you have no legitimate claim.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Feb 12th, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do have a legitimate claim....in November 1832, 50 or so members of the United Provinces of River Plate navy (kinda sorta Argentina, but not really) went to the islands, did a bit of mutiny, did a bit of rape, did a bit of murder and then got kicked off two months later by the British.
And in 1982, an Argentine invasion force landed leading to the deaths of 900 people, and again two months later the British kicked them off.
The British have had two peaceful and successful periods of civilian communities lasting over 200 years..
How can you say that the Argentine claim isn't much much stronger???
Urm, reading [1] methinks the lady doth tell lies. It says nothing about no referenda. Fat ginger liar.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN Resolution 40/21 (1985)
” The General Assembly,
Having considered the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) and having received the report of the Secretary-General,
Aware of the interest of the international community in the peaceful and definitive settlement by the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland of all their differences, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,
Taking note of the interest repeatedly expressed by both parties in normalising their relations,
Convinced that such purpose would be facilitated by a global negotiation between both Governments that will allow them to rebuild mutual confidence on a solid basis and to resolve the pending problems, including all aspects on the future of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
1. Requests the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to initiate negotiations with a view to finding the means to resolve peacefully and definitively the problems pending between both countries, including all aspects on the future of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;
2. Requests the Secretary-General to continue his renewed mission of good offices in order to assist the parties in complying with the request made in paragraph 1 above, and to take the necessary measures to that end:
3. Requests the Secretary-General to submit to the General Assembly at its forty-first session a report on the progress made in the implementation of the present resolution;
4. Decides to include in the provisional agenda of its forty-first session the item entitled ”Question of the Falkland Islands
(Malvinas).”
[1] http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/p.willetts/SAC/UN/UN-LIST.HTM & typed by lord ton
@11 You tell us maybe Urugauy would kick thier sorry arses as well and then rgenweener would really be the laughing stock of the world. But they don't all they need to do is sit back and watch them implode. The Falkland Islanders are happy with the status quo only some whinging spaniards with thier balls cut off are trying to cause trouble, if they hadn't everything would be hunky dory and we wouldn't be spouting shite on here
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When will these people understand NO GOVERNMENT in the right mind can discuss British Dependent Territories citizens future where a pre dertermined outcome is already decided,you will need to change your constitution Argentina.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is all they can peddle is the same old worn out rhetoric? I'm beginning to wonder if they are capable of independent thought, or are they just repeating what the (broken) record tells them to.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glove puppets the lot of them, with CFK's increasingly delusional mind and hand up their arse controlling them.
Surely the Fat Ginger should be reading UN Resolution 40/3o (1985) [1]
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A/RES/43/105
75th plenary meeting
8 December 1988
Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination
The General Assembly,
Reaffirming the importance, for the effective guarantee and observance of
human rights, of the universal realization of the right of peoples to
self-determination enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and embodied
in the International Covenants on Human Rights, as well as in the Declaration
on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples contained in
General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960,
Welcoming the progressive exercise of the right to self-determination by
peoples under colonial, foreign or alien occupation and their emergence into
sovereign statehood and independence,
Deeply concerned about the continuation of acts or threats of foreign
military intervention and occupation that are threatening to suppress, or have
already suppressed, the right to self-determination of an increasing number of
sovereign peoples and nations,
.... et cetera
[1] https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/selfdete.htm
@16 Rgenweener will need to grow up and realise it ain't going to happen, not in twenty years (tinman will be thrown out the back of an airborne taxi by then) or two hundred years. SIMPLES
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia Castro is not really worth worrying about. She recently wrote a letter to the London Daily Telegraph claiming that the Falklands archipelago was an “enclave” in Argentine territory. “Enclave” has the same spelling both in English and Spanish and has exactly the same meaning in both languages - a territory completely surrounded by the territory of another nation.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are, of course, completely surrounded by international waters and are quite distant from the maritime limits of Argentina as defined by international laws of the sea.
Anyone noticed anything odd?
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still VERY upset that the Argentines have clearly rejected ”the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and embodied in the International Covenants on Human Rights, as well as in the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples contained in General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960,“ [1]
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have clearly NOT welcomed ”the progressive exercise of the right to self-determination by peoples under colonial, foreign or alien occupation and their emergence into sovereign statehood and independence“ [1]
Additionally they actively partake in the ”continuation of acts or threats of foreign military intervention and occupation that are threatening to suppress, or have already suppressed, the right to self-determination of an increasing number of sovereign peoples and nations” [1]
It seems that they are completely ignoring the Charter and the General Assembly. Maybe the Fat Ginger can explain why?
[1] UN Resolution 40/3o (1985)
The last paragraph of this report states ”More specifically it refers to the exploration and exploitation of renewable and non renewable resources in which the UK is involved in the area and do not contribute to reaching a definitive solution to the territorial dispute”.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE UK IS NOT, REPEAT NOT, INVOLVED IN EXPLORATION AND EXPLOITATION IN THE AREA OF THE FALKLANDS/MALVINAS. This statement is entirely false.
The exploration and exploitation in being undertaken by PRIVATE companies under licenses issued by the Government of the Falkland Islands. The UK has nothing to do with it.
I don't see ANY Trolls defending this statement - it cannot be intellectually supported.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we have refuted everything possible on this thread.
Let's save our energy for the next shot in the dark.
Please end this thread, Mercopress.
@23 The whole thing is just utter lies.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The resolution she's referring to, she has clearly not read. The resolutions surrounding the one she referred to clearly show the Argentines and most of South America to be completely ignoring the fundamentals of the UN Charter, and actively working against General Assembly resolutions.
Curiously there is a part within Resolution 40/30 that “Requests the Commission on Human Rights to continue to give special attention to the violation of human rights, especially the right to self-determination, resulting from foreign military intervention, aggression or occupation;”
So why don't the Falkland islanders get the Commission on Human Rights to come in and jolly well have a look at the Argentine aggression. I'm pretty sure the commission will be like the C24 and loaded with backward countries that like shooting their journalists (Ecuador, Bolivia, etc.)
The 'Malvinas' claim is delusion on a very grand scale.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people of the Falkland Islands have lived there longer than the transplanted population that is Argentina. And what is worse Argentina slaughtered and murdered the indigenous population and they dare to suggest the islands belong to them? They have been so indoctrinated with their own bullshit they are completely unable to see the truth and facts.
And as Ban Ki Moon said, the UK and the people of the Falkland Island's have breached no UN resolutions, in fact the only country that has is Argentina with its illegal invasion!
And if that isn't enough Ban Ki Moon said the people (the Falklands people) should determine their own future.
So no matter how many things Castro, Tinman and CFK say the truth is still very clear to anyone with half a brain.
I just read up on the Commission on Human Rights (now the Human Rights Council) and apparently it contains the likes of Russia, China, Syria, Sri Lanka and Ecuador. It apparently has one purpose which is to pass resolutions about Israel and nothing more. I doubt the Falkland Islanders would get any support by taking their story there either.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN seems purposeless and utterly furked.
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Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idiocy on so many levels is quite impressive by the trolley dolly.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the British will vote to continue being British? Obviously she has never heard that the Spanish used to live on the River Plate around the 1800s.
British forces in the South Atlantic is a risk? I would say having a Royal Navy icebreaker down there actually reduces risk, as does having more troops on the Falklands: because we all know how many people ended up dying after there were barely no troops there. On the other hand I would say having to serve in the Argentine navy is incredibly risky.
Whining about self-determination not being recognised in the UN? The secretary-general does not seem to agree, or that the UK is breaching any resolutions.
Admitting Falklanders are British but then not being willing to talk to these British politicians because they are Falklanders.
Expecting the Falklanders to stagnate and not use the resources in their territory, even though Argentina has made no effort to legally stop them. And even claiming the UK are taking unilateral actions, while at the same time claiming talks cannot be trilateral (it never ceases to amaze me just how thick these people are: they do not realise their use of unilateral and trilateral actually conflict with each other when taking an overview of Argentina's dispute).
27 Shed-time
Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Security Council is the only relevant body. All the rest are simply to make all the other nations feel involved.
Hello Argentina: here is the news:
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ONLY way you will get into talks with the UK, about the Falklands, is if the Islanders are present.
If you want to talk, get used to that idea.
If you want to just blow smoke, carry on as you are and everybody will see your nation in the worst portrayal.
simples.
@20 she a waste of oxygen
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whether or not the madam likes it or not we Falkland Islanders are here and it matters not whether we are of British decent or a mix of any other nation the fact is we are born and bred Falkland Islanders of more than nine generations. Anither attempt to distort the truth.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vast majority of the world are supporting our determination to hold a refferendum no matter what the out come we have that absolute right to do so. Argentine trouble makers would do well to remember the mess they have made of their own Country and what they trid to do to us in 1982. We Islanders will never forgive you for that period.
Falkland islanders will decide what they really want in March and when they do then Argentina will either acept or reject it . Their choice.
@33 well said neither will I, they will reject it ......why because they are losers
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry HB are you talking about Argentina.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way did you ever find those billions that disappeared that were supposed to be for renewing the jet fleet?
I also think you're being nice, Argentina isn't broke, its about to default so its much worse than that.....
@35: No money to buy a keyboard with a caps lock that works...
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If God had meant there to be dialogue, he'd have given us adults to talk with.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Sorry Sussie but your arse is grass enjoy your life sponging of the US, remember always get the punters to wear protection we'd hate anything to happen to you. actually I've just sussed it are these Pseudonym's all your punters names
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 I believe that if you do a little research you'll find that the exploration is being done by public not private companies. Think and I are both subscribers so I'm sure he would agree with me on this one.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 And the role of the British government is ...?
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Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares HH? We don't care, in fact we couldn't care less what Argentina is.
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is insignificant and doesn't deserve our time. Until Argentina start acting like a respectable country and stops with the lies, its opinion is utterly worthless.
@41. Face. Boverred. Is it tho?
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, you are so anti british that
You have railways (invented and laid down in argentina by the british)
You watch television (invented in britain)
You use the telephone (invented by the british)
You use the internet (invented by a brit)
You can get Fibre optic broadband (invented in britain)
You have radar at airports (invented by the brits)
Shall we continue upon the same silly vein your post actually is?
Oh, and it might have escaped your observation, but CFK recently chartered a plane from a british company for her Far East tour. It would appear she does not share your narrow minded sentiment.
Try again ''hh-bb''.
Chuckle chuckle.
@28
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sussie there seems to be a nut loose on your keyboard, if you turn it upside down and give it a shake, it might fix it
@41
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Change the record, Argentina is NOT anti British you nutter
I am sure if you had a referendum ( ok sorry not allowed because your media is censored ) anyway I am convinced that they would want to be governed by someone who would sort out your economy. Devaluation coming very soon.
These people are really odd. Have they forgot what the war in 1982 was all about? People died because Argentina demanded sovereignty above all else whilst the British demand that the wishes of the Islanders must be paramount. A compromise on either and the fighting would have ended. What has changed? Are they deaf? Void of comprehension?
Feb 12th, 2013 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0The lunatic fringe are always devoid of reason and rational thought...
It's just Argentina repeat its mistakes in one big continuous loop.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0So CFK and her government have destroyed the economy with increasingly bizarre economic policies and in true Argentina style they start to ratchet up the lies, propaganda and rhetoric to direct attention away from the fact the government and economy has spectacularly failed like in 2001.
Only the fools are deluded by the misdirection.
I think that they believe they will wear the Brits down. Like a child, can I have one dad? can I have one dad? can I have one dad? What else can it be? Spain has been jumping through hoops for 300 years. A mere 180 is nothing. The Brits are good at leading people down the garden path and back up again endlessly. And whilst smiling.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0..and she was the one bleating “why won't you talk?” When she came to office.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Absolute Muppet!
@ 52
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have to remember that she was educated in Argentina, we must respect that ( we can't all have a decent education )
ETON actually old boy, don't you know
Three cuppas please miss!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/unthinking-alicia-castro/
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The devil is in the detail :-)
20 Gordo1 (#)
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Feb 12th, 2013 - 10:25 pm
Alicia Castro is not really worth worrying about. She recently wrote a letter to the London Daily Telegraph claiming that the Falklands archipelago was an “enclave” in Argentine territory. “Enclave” has the same spelling both in English and Spanish and has exactly the same meaning in both languages - a territory completely surrounded by the territory of another nation.
Under the Palmas decision, three important rules for resolving island territorial disputes were decided:
Firstly, title based on contiguity has no standing in international law.
The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...
By Roberto C. Laver
p.74
International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”
You are utterly wrong Mrs. Castro.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two-sided dialogue over the Falklands is unthinkable.
No dialogue. Let the Falklanders be, and spare us relations with the UK.
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Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear “British” Can you tell me how many of you are saying here are actually dwelling in the Islands? (Without Lies)
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find two things interesting:
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0How the Argentinean government can lie so publicly and not think that they will be discovered. It is very similar in nature to Iran at the moment.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/irans-laughable-fighter-jet-caught-out-in-photoshop-blunder-20130213-2ebwb.html
Why anyone intelligent person can read any UN Resolution on the Falkland Islands and construe it as excluding them from self-determination.
The referendum will not change everything but it will definitely be used to show the hypocrisy shown by many members of the C24.
Which means that the Islands really are starting to win the propoganda war because they are actually evolving their strategy whereas Argentina's never changes.
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Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Deffinately getting to them more, Democracy in action, works every time, especially when they lack the means to do anything about it. Totally helpless, all they can do is stand on the outside, wriggle, squirm, shout and protest. This must really irk their national pride, they are not use to being ignored by their other neighbours around them. This is not the usual result they get from their bullying and harassment.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can not be nice to feel like the proverbial, “Spare prick at a wedding.”
Nothing they can do about it, we should just sit back and enjoy the rest of the comic opera they will surely continue to stage.
@61 - Marcos
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0And when you don't have an actual argument (not even a pathetic youtube link) you resort to crude insults.
That sums up Argentina's position nicely.
Hey Marcos, and our other resident La Campora trolls, I wonder if you will still be willing to post when your La Campora pay masters have no money to pay you with?
But then I suppose your beloved leader will just rob another Argentine business, like she has with your airline, to keep 'buying' the 'love' of her people.
But sooner or later the money will run out, and so will your beloved leader, and all of you will be left with nothing.
But you only have yourselves to blame. You allow this thieving government to get away with it constantly, and you'll believe anything they say, as long as the wave the big 'Malvinas' Myth in front of your eyes.
Your government doesn't want sovereignty over the Falklands, I mean if they got it, who would they have to blame for all of their own failings?
Face it, the biggest enemy you Argentines have is your President. She doesn't give a flying feck about Argentina, except for when she's busy 'stuffing' her bank account with all of the countries money.
What's worse is, the bugger lives here!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@59Xvv
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Dear “British” Can you tell me how many of you are saying here are actually dwelling in the Islands? (Without Lies)”
3,000 plus the Armed Forces
How many (without lies) Trolls really live outside of Argentina?
Not many, I'll bet.
Fair question, the answer is not many of us. Then again, none of the do and that's why I come on here. To make sure I express my opinion that it stays that way.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands belong to their rightful inhabitants and those are the people who live there now. We fought a war of liberation for that right and if you think 31 years passing by, has changed anything since then, your wrong. Very very wrong.
So leave them alone and concerntrate on sorting out that farce you call a country.
I don't live in the Islands but as an Australian I have a stronger link to them than any Argentineans on here!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0#66exactly
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only threat the UK forces in the South Atlantic represent are to argentinas ability to seize the falklands and other islands by force.
The UK forces on the islands by comparison to the neighbouring nations a trifle, however they are enough to provide a deterrent to Argentina.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN knows they are also exercising their rights well within the UN Charter. The only nation in this so called dispute to use armed force has a means of resolving it, has been Argentina.
Never ceases to amaze me how stupid they make themselves look, hey! If they want to look that way, who am I to stop them.
@51 - 'I think that they believe they will wear the Brits down'
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0They really couldn't make a bigger mistake. If there is one national characteristic of the British its our willingness to dig deep and resist anything. The British have fought in many wars with vastly overwhelming odds in favor of the enemy and yet we never gave up and we always win.
However when other countries are friendly and honorable we've given ground plenty of times and given up our position.
So with that in mind, I can't believe the government of Argentina doesn't understand our psyche.
If that is the case then this is as we believe nothing more than another publicity stunt to distract attention away from the many problems they are having at home!
'The cause by Falkland, at another cul-de-sac - The international resolutions that is supported the Argentine claim to the Islands are not pronounced in favour of the sovereignty of our country or are unaware of the rights of the malvinenses....'
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/opinion/causa-Malvinas-callejon-salida_0_865113546.html
'“He is a traitor to Latin America”
Julián Domínguez, President of the Chamber of Deputies, accusing the Uruguayan legislator Jaime Trobo, of being a “traitor” to Latin America”for accepting to join as an observer the plebiscite in the Falkland Islands.'
http://www.clarin.com/opinion/causa-Malvinas-callejon-salida_0_865113546.html
@71
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for the excellent clarin article. Vicente Palermo has the balls to tell it like it is. No wonder they want to close them down.
This is such a waste of time. They seem to forget that the people living are humans with rights, dialogue has to include the people who would be affected by any change. This is just logical.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 025 days to REFERENDUM
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argies on here are like turtles on ice, paddling furiously but getting nowhere.
@71 It's quite true. The argentinians only really have two levers: one being 'ignorance' given that most people have not actually read the resolutions such that they are able to see that their representatives are unabashed liars; and the second is in ignoring the islanders even exist by slipping into the anachronism that is the repetitive call for 1970s-based negotiations.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no request for a judgement from the ICJ, there is no acceptance of the 'true' resolutions of the UN based on the 'truthful' wording, and there is no acceptance of the judgement of the head of the UN with regards to who is following the resolutions or not.
It is basically piss-poor diplomacy, however if you look at the way their jewish community has just been sold down the river, you can see precisely why no one would ever want to be annexed as part of that country.
Windy Scared Argentine Government - Scared and Panicking over the concepts of Freedom and Human Rights!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have been quoting these resolutions for years, I look them up and I think to myself, am I reading the same thing they are. Is there something being lost here in tranlation. Then of course, you realise that these things are produced and disseminated in the members own languages. Is it a simple thing like lack of comprehension, perhaps the language it veiled in polispeak and to complicated for them to understand?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0But no. What happens next? The SGUN in person states that the UK are not breaching any of the resolutions, that the Right to Self Determination does exist for all peoples. It's not what they want to hear, they ignore it, marginalise his position.
They probably do not know what a pantomime is, but they are turning the UN into one. They seem to think the longer and harder they shout to the contrary, it makes something morph into the result they desire. There is no sense in it.
Why would you want to negotiate with someone who behaves like this? More to the point, why should you?
As the Argentines used to have numerous agreements with the FIG how has it suddenly become “unthinkable” to have dialogue with them today?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair to the ARGIES they have been using GOOGLE TRANSLATE, I heard that they invented it. All the rage in Buenos Aires schools.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinians should read this again.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0How Argentina mislead the UN and still does!!!!
http://www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf
Idlehands
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0That is because it is not in line with their current stratedgy.
To hold dialogue with the islands is to acknowledege they exist. To acknowledge they exist is to say they have rights. To say they have rights allows them to decide for themselves.
If the islanders decide their own future, they know they do not appear anywhere it in it.
Whatever they do, they can never, ever, enter into dialogue with the islanders, it makes their position untenable and they know it.
So they will continue to say this is a bilateral issue between them and the UK, they can do nothing else.
It's a lose, lose situation for them.
Chalk up another diplomatic victory for the UK.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is ridiculously good in this are and Argentina is woefully bad with their lies, deceit and errant behavior. If Argentina could stop with the allegations, lies and wild statements which everyone can prove are lies because they contradict the UN charter and what Ban Ki Moon has recently said then they would have a whole lot more respect.
I think that Nos the Turd (who promoted him to 10th?) writings on UK, Arg & Islander's relationships going forward, probably make most sense. In the foreseeable future there will be no reasonable relationship between us. Only a deteriorating one. If a war didn't end the matter, for the time being, nothing will. The UN and the whole world could come out in favour of the Islanders and nothing would change in the Arg mindset. It is futile. As Nos says, all political ties should be broken off. The Islanders should do everything in their power to rapidly increase their population (anglophiles only). The forthcoming increase in their wealth should help such a cause and then become totally independent. Better for all to have absolutely no relationship with Argentina than the one, so soured, that we have now. The UK should continue to promote good relationships with the rest of SA. With new missions and so on around the continent as we are currently doing.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reading that Clarin article it is crystal clear that Argentinean Press itself is able to blow massive holes in any Argentinean claim to the Falklands. It would be nice to hear any Argentinean counter arguments but I note that all Rg posters here are totally exasperated and have resorted to posting racism, bigotry and abuse thus having all their postings removed?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are totally stuffed...
This isn't about negotiation anyway. It's histrionic posturing for the domestic audience. I'm sure not even Alicia, Hector, and Cristina believe this can get them anywhere at all.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@82
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure Londoners would accept your idea as to what to do with Muslims, are the descendants of Pakistanis playing at triple the Christians. Bring 1000 Muslims in England and in 20 years will have 10,000 of them .. That if you all also look to Mecca to pray .. ja
@82
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agree with most of what you say. More people means more land, trouble is you still have thousands of mines still in the Islands , which Argentina should remove. My feelings are that once the REFERENDUM is out of the way ,the FALKLANDERS ought to take a case to the UN and ask them to tell Argentina to remove said items. Perhaps they ( Argentina ) would remove them as a goodwill gesture to the FALKLANDERS.
http://www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0superb, i am going to re-print that via my own website.
Are they not already getting rid of the mines. I know it is slow progress. Just throw money at the issue. Argentina will do nothing. The current bad will t0wards the UK and Islanders is immeasurable. We should walk away until the country elect a realist and someone who would wish to heal relationships. The current Government are nothing and are no threat in any forum.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xavi are you just being disrespectful for the sake of it?
How are relationships with Iran?
@86 - golfcronie
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt the Argentinians have the expertise to remove the mines, although I agree that they should pay to have them removed. Besides, I doubt the Islanders would want a bunch of Argentines lurking around the place, desecrating war memorials, and generally making the place look untidy.
But since we all know 'just' how trustworthy the Argentines are at paying back their debts, it'll just be quicker to remove them.
@85 - Xavierv
Once again you have no argument and resort to one of your racist rants.
Pathetic...just like your government.
@89
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Mine Removal Manuel
1) Stamp hard three times if no noise take one step forward ( no mine or dud )
2) After step one: Stamp hard three times if no noise ( as above or your dead )
3) Keep going until all mines removed or expended.
Regarding Iran's approach, I totally disagree, but I share the policy towards the islands. And better yet, I fully share the position to cut relations with you. I was the first to raise it in this forum, Argentina should have no link with the invaders, not be allowed to use its airspace and seas that address the islands. Zero contact with you! If someone wants to visit you navigate international waters and come out of there the same way, same with air contact. That is no contact with the Americas. This was my position has always disallow using our jurisdiction to address the islands. The families of those killed in combat and have cried enough on the islands, it's time to repatriate their bodies and then leave you to relations with Africa if they wish .
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@91 - Xavierv
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great cut relations with Britain. In fact we'd be glad for you all to STFU about the Falklands.
But then you won't be able to say to the world about how the 'evil' British won't talk to you, if you are the ones cutting diplomatic ties.
Xavierv, if Argentina's sovereignty claim is so solid, take it to the International Court of Justice, if Argentina won't, then again you should STFU about it.
Well you can lead by setting an example! Bye.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@91
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FALKLANDERS offered to repatriate your war dead but Argentina refused. I suppose it means that Argentina would be recognising that the FALKLAND ISLANDERS exist. In fact after the war in 1982 we ( UK ) repatriated all your captured soldiers.Never mind repatriating the war dead, how about you lot getting off your sorru a***s and sending a team to remove all the mines, I think that would be a good gesture of friendship.
@92
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We choose the sand .. It will be only by agreement with UK, no matter who you THINK ..
@93
It's simple, do not respond to my opinions more .. One less who relate ..
@94
Tell lies, the islanders have ever offered to repatriate the bodies. We need not make friends with invaders.
@XAIVER
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its fine washing your hands of The Falklands, God knows everyone would like that, however you have no business telling other South American countries whether they should do business with the Islands or not.
XAVIERV
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be having a monumental sulk today. Don't you realise how funny it is to witness somebody throwing all of their toys out of their pram?
I remember watching a film that has some bearing on this situation... Bear with me because it's not what you think....
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Film is Star Trek - Insurrection ( run away!!! film nerd!!! ) anyone seen it?
Well for those of you who haven't, the federation find a planet that gives off powers of natural healing and rejuvenation.
The population that have been living on this planet are all about 200 to 300 years old and this idiot decides that this is to good of a thing and it has to be shared with... well....anyone who wants it.
But there is a problem, the population of this planet who don't want to move or be “evacuated” they just want to live thier lives and be left alone.
Anyway the USS Enterprise turns up and is asked to help with this “evcauation” and Jean Luc Picard refuses saying that it is a crime against humanity..... to which the Admiral says “We are only talking about 600 people”
Jean Luc Picard then asks “How many people does it take before it becomes a crime Admiral? 10?? 20??? Or just the one? How many lives does it take?”
Reality imitating art?? Or Art imitating reality
@95 - Xavierv
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You appear to be foaming at the mouth. You should go and calm down.
Actually, the British and the Falkland Islanders have offered on numerous occasions to repatriate you war dead, but successive Argentine governments have refused because they believe that their presence on the Islands somehow increases your sovereignty claims.
Also the families of the war dead don't want them repatriated. Why? Because they know that the Falkland Islanders look after their sons far better than the Argentine government would, who only ever use them to try and score cheap political points.
But if you truly want the war dead repatriated then I suggest you petition your government to do it. Your government will then have to send a request to the Falkland Islands Government for permission. The Falkland Islands Government will, no doubt, agree, and then all of the Argentine bodies (many of which have no names because the Argentine officers REFUSED to identify them, and very few of them had identity tags) can be returned to Argentina for reburial.
As for the rest of South America, most of them are quite happy to do business with the UK AND the Falklands. The trade between us is in the billions of dollars. I'm sure that other South American countries are going to throw all that away because Argentina says so. Er...no they're not. They see the economic disaster that Argentina is, and are thankful that they have decent governments who care more about the people than they do about lining their own pockets with dollars.
Argentina is impotent. No one pays attention to you, they just mouth empty platitudes, then laugh about you behind your backs.
Toooldtodieyoung
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it just me or did one of the Duras sisters finally find an “empire” to rule?
Argentina may not be Klingon but it seems to be ruled by one....
@97
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jajaja! Not so, I have a beautiful day here in Formosa ..
Actually, just trying to show how difficult it is the position of the islanders, but try to hide it, I can smell the fear that causes the idea that Argentina decides to take the next step .. They know that if Argentina decides to block them all, right there you have a serious problem ..
I am not being funny, you are the one calling for a break, not me.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that an offer has been made to repatriate the bodies of your fallen, but your government insists they remain there because it is Argentine territory. Sick politicing with the dead, most of these young men had no say about being there and they certainly now have no say in where they rest.
The same goes for identifying the unknown, denied the simplest of genetic test, sick!
Personally has a humane gesture to their families, I wish they could go home.
Not all of their parents, spouses, sibling or friends have the financial means to visit them. If they do, it is infrquently and having had to take an indirect journey, again because of your governments politicing.
Xavi you are a real odd ball.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'That is no contact with the Americas'. Why would we wish not to have relationships with our friends in the rest of SA?
Are you reading Brasil, your SA brother (when Arg want something) Xavi?
Race mix of the rest of SA is different. Wonder what they think of Arg overt, national racism?
Does anyone agree with the reference 'invaders' when referring to the Falklands?
Relationship with Africa? We have relationships with most of the world. Hello. Anyone at home?
I think we would also take some big sticks over and if Argentina stated to get in the way of our free movement or started to take the piss. We would hit you with them.
101 XAVIERV
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can smell fear on an internet forum? Are you some sort of super-dog? You seem to take some sort of comfort in trying to disrupt the lives of Falklanders but once the oil industry becomes active there will be flights going to and from all corners of the world to move oil workers and equipment. Some sulking nation hundreds of miles away won't make any difference not matter how much you believe in your own importance.
Compared to living through a war, no problems at all. They will just adapt and overcome, when the oil revenue starts to come in, I think you will find as always, money talks.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds good money are filled with foreign oil .. The sad thing is that they can not spend in SA .. It is cute when filling appose immigrants attracted by oil .. I want to see that ..
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106 You're just sour because your whole belief system is built upon a bed of lies; the unabashed lies poured out day upon day by your leadership since the day peron thought hitler's ideology of territorial nationalism was 'quite good'.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more you squeeze the islanders, the further away from you any ties and discussions will get.
Like all argentines, you fear the law, and you fear the truth. You call them 'invaders' simply because that's a projection of what you want them to be. The reality is far from that.
You're just suffering from cognitive dissonance.
Not foreign oil. Falkland Oil. Market not Meerkat. Think we would prefer the money to be spent in the UK. It is good money though.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope I can get a job. Keep looking on the Falkland's job sites which are growing. Just waiting for the right opportunity.
@91
Feb 13th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK Government of the day offered to repatriate all Argentinian war dead but your Government refused, the reason being put forward is that Argentina wanted to retain a presence in the FALKLANDS. Be my guest GOOGLE it and you will see I am being honest.
@109 i think they technically said 'they're already buried on Argentine land'.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At which point we should have invaded Argentina, repatriated their dead and land-mines and demanded reparations for the 1982 War of Aggression.
How wrong were we, eh?
Xarv
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your not seriously suggesting that the rest of South America will turn away millions of dollars of business, to support Argentinas claim to the islands? Are you, because frankly, I do not believe it.
@107
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Error .. Urine out of the jar .. We need not go well with the neighbor who steals your backyard .. But I admit, the neighbor is stronger, has weapons and we are poor, we just sticks .. Still, being outnumbered will not stop harassing them until they return what they have stolen ..
@109
Thanks, but I have a good job with teacher .. I'm sure many Muslims want to go to London to work there ..
@109
Removing my offense, I admit you're right. So the government was wrong to refuse, you must repatriate all the fallen and cut ties with you.
@112 we never stole anything. You didn't even exist in the 1700's.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0STOP TRYING TO PROJECT YOUR FAUX-HISTORY.
http://www.falklandshistory.org/false-falklands-history.pdf
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0112- Hey Teacher (snigger) read the above non Argentine propaganda that is taught to indoctanate children from an early age and you will see nobody stole the islands off Argentina because they never owned them jajajaja biggest error only...lets stop talking about it now .
War dead as above poster, your government prefers to use them as a political pawn, as said above it was offered but refused. Wake up and smell the coffee (oops forgot about the shortages in the shops).
And what have muslims got to do with the forum, you daft racist
Pobre Xavi. Has it not sunk in yet that our version of the truth is different to yours? Do you feel sometimes that you are wasting your breath a bit saying the same things over and over? All bit bland, no? You are likely to get a thick ear if you keep harassing people.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think that you would get through any job interview Xavi. There is a lot of Arg working in London. None admit to being Arg though and tend to use their real passports (Spain - Italy - German).
I think you should come and get them and pay the cost. We have gone through the cutting bit.
@114 Sure, if he's a teacher it makes sense that they're all buggered-up on propaganda. The guy doesn't even know basic history and seems to forget that the UK found the islands long long long before the Argentine nation even existed.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then they try to project their faux-history onto the people they are talking to, as if they are as retarded and had a sh!t an education as they did. It's just retarded for retards.
That neighbour was not stronger in 1982, not unless you consider 74 lightly armed Royal Marines a threat.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was not that neighbour that attacked and occupied you in 1982 and it is not that neighbour who is a threat to you now. It is however a neighbour who will, under recognised international law, take whatever appropriate measures, it see' fit, to ensure you do not do the same again.
Not sure what you been by outnumbered, 300 islanders to 40.000.000 Argentines, is that what you mean by outnumbered?
@114
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Disqualifications only read your words, yes, any idea out of your head cap .. Not qualify for me to answer .. You are for me, what the islanders are for Argentina .. Do not exist!
@115
Typical English, only offends people when they read is not what you want .. I see that you repeat things without thinking .. Another settler to be extradited ..
@118
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CEASE PRESENTING YOUR FAUX-HISTORY AS TRUTH. IT IS 100% FAIL.
117 - Yes.. at its time in 82 the RG Navy and airforce was reasonably well equipped. It had all the advantages of proximity, that being said its still 500 miles from RG land to the Falklands!!! and at the time of the mythical 1833 incident when the RG trader sought British approval to set up a business the nearest RG territory was over 1000 miles from the falklands (they had yet to steal and ethnically clense the southern part of what is Argentina.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xavi have you been offended? What have I said to do so?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was it something to do with Muslims breeding like rabbits?
What repetition are you referring? Was it reference to your repeated statements?
Argentina is a racist country, I am sure you will agree. You being a teacher, presumably educated, like to use racism and your references are racist. Tell me does racism form part of the national curriculum? Do you teach it? False history (aka child brainwashing) is also a part of the national curriculum, no?
118- dont know what half your post means, google translation training at troll hq isnt what it used to be.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards me not existing, why are you talking to me???
no reply regarding the false RG history then??? either debate the article or the points of disagreement or leave the forum. Posting rasist and poorly translated rants doesnt really add to the debate and makes you look like a troll and not a teacher which iam sure you are (giggle)
I think the Rgs are getting pretty scared about the referendum hence the increased trolling. You better get back to your internet trolling, no trolling no dollar from maximo.
@ 116
Feb 13th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0False argument exists as a country Argentina from July 9, 1816. I had this name now, but that's no excuse to discredit the fact that we were a nation. Further, UK was the first European country to recognize Argentina as an independent state ..
@ 117
I do not understand because you separate the 3000 English settlers from the rest, Argentina has 40 million and UK (Country invader) has 63 million inhabitants.
Me think Xavi's English is not up to standard.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I leave, I will see that inept Timerman says a commission of the House of Representatives ..
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be fair, I don't speak a word of Spanish, he/she doing their best. At least he/she is not shouting, which I always find helps a lot when I try to use someone elses language.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doubt he/she will get that one.
xavier, your sums treat the far off britons as part of the population of the falklands yet Argentina did not do this in 1982 when it invaded. It though 'hey, lets get the falklands, it's armed forces are very small, it'll be a walk over'.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also Timmerman treats the islanders as british but will not talk to them because he treats them as a third party. Surely this is a contradiction?
#106
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The oil industry works in US$. Are you saying that the rest of South America would refuse to trade with the Falklands for American dollars. Your country would be first in the queue.
Anyway, the Islanders could use a third party to buy things on their behalf. This is a common method to beat a boycott.
126
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go on Spanish websites and use a translator and see if they will agree to acknowledge that you are doing your best. How do you shout when writing (just interested). He doesn't fully understand what you are writing and so everything is misunderstood to a greater or lesser extent.
”How do you shout when writing (just interested).”
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ALLCAPS and copious exclamation marks. It makes you look like you or your keyboard is high and/or 12 years old.
Argentina's Malvinazi claim is a psychopathological disease, and therefore it is a only a unilateral problem (it is neither bilateral nor trilateral.)
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear FCO friends: How can you have “diplomatic” relations with such a failed state??
Philippe
You obviously have not READ////// any of
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sussies??????? all British are/////// ash...s!!!!!!! posts
T H E ladies barking.
I use the term lady in the loosest of terms when describing her.
That's what I meant by it mate. You never heard of the reputation some of us Brits have on holiday, shouting at the locals in English, because the volume might help them understand what we are saying. You must have seen it?
130 Thank you
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to ask these questions generally. Is everyone associated with the argie “government” required to take “stupid” pills? Or do they have to have the greater part of their “brains” removed? Why is this individual permitted to remain in Britain? Isn't she purporting to be a “diplomat”.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, let's have a look at the desperate trolls.
@91 Excellent idea! We're working on it. Sometime soon argies won't be permitted outside of their 12-mile territorial waters and the enclosed land. Also, argies will not be permitted west of the Andes. To avoid contamination of the human race.
@95 Plenty of sand on the seabed. Pop down for an hour or two and get some. Build some sandcastles. Are you going for isolationism (we hope)? Bearing in mind that all argies are, by definition, invaders. Go for it. We can all stand back and watch you die out.
@101 Silly child. Argieland couldn't block a drain. How are you going to do it? With that pitiful thing you call a “navy”? Or the equally pitiful entity you call an “air force”? By the way, have you noticed that its raining? And NO Brit or Falklander has ever, or will ever, be afraid of an argie. Not even if an argie got a spine.
@106 And what exactly is there in SA worth spending money on? Of course, if you had a brain, you'd realise that people spending money in your “country” would be good for you. Another example of the CFK “economic model”?
@112 Unless you're dead! As we have learned, “teacher” is a job you do when you've been turned down for anything worthwhile. MUST? How about we just pour what's left into the “Argentine Sea”? Disposing of the slops!
@123 Recognise? Maybe. Perhaps it was a joke!
@125 Be sensible. Shoot him. You could have Putridjelly instead!
@86,88 I have reservations about mine removal. Wouldn't it be better, at the first sign of argie military activity, to remove the signs and the wire? Let them encounter their own minefields! Justice?
132 RC
Feb 13th, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Verbal, I do know what you mean. Many sitcoms depict such scenarios. I thought all the exclamation marks, capitals etc. (all very funny) represented someone blowing a fuse. Appreciate it means shouting now (suppose that they could also be blowing a fuse). Thank you.
From A True And Great Admirer
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do admire the Argentinians, I really do. They are without sin.
They are God's creation.
I do appreciate them as I ply my long spoon (silver); they are bespoke; their dress is unforgettable; the cut and the colours; in our archipelago we call it “newlydubbed”; this is a very ancient fishing expression meaning a very good catch; this is high praise indeed.
What made you leave your fruitful Mother country I muse; your Mother Country was such a help to mankind indeed. I admire its benign treatment of the Peoples of South America; it was inconvenient I suppose, the unfortunate sexual diseases you lot brought from your slums to decimate the locals.
I do love the RG's; I admire you enormously.
Falklands are BritishW
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I work with a guy who regularly goes to France, for his wine, cheeses and duty frees. Got to love him. Ask him what the place is like, he says' “It's all right mate, apart from all them foreigners.” He means the French! LOL.
Wait to you come across Sussie, that's her original post name, though now she sometimes uses three or more post names, one after the other. You'll recognise her, mate your in for a treat.
@82
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THat's now how I view it even if from your end that makes sense for you to think so.
The reason there should be no relations between Argentina and the Falklanders is because there is simply nothing of common interest to discuss.
Sovereignty? I even agree with you there is a non-starter.
So what else is there? Nada. Please don't bring the fishing crap, Argentina doesn't give a hoot about fishing, never has. And we already economically control the vast majority of the continental shelf by EEZ rights, so neither you nor the UK have anything do to in our economic waters.
Simply keep to your waters around the Falklands EEZ, we keep to ours. So there is nothing to discuss.
And then what else? Thought so.
Given that both the UK and Argentina could cut some meat from the budget, and that Argentina has nothing to lose by breaking ties (what do we need in terms of products, diplomacy, or relations with the UK really?), the most sensible thing is to close the embassies. Just have the one in Paris handle the UK mission.
@138
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But of course. Why should anybody expect Argentina to behave like a mature, responsible country at the beginning of the 21st century? Surely we should all know better by now?
From A True Admirer
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I adore Argentina I really do.
Whenever I buy a hand of bananas I think of Argentina.
I love my bananas, and I muse they have come all that way from Argentina.
I am enchanted.
Well done chaps you are amazing.
I know you have killed all the local inhabitants. It is not for me to judge you.
For heavens sake use a condom; you and your women have killed a Continent with your carnal habits and diseases.
Yours ever
@139 How is not giving the UK or the Falklanders any legal avenue to hamper the sovereignty of our EEZ beyond the Falklands EEZ exactly that?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to break it to you but it isn't.
138
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree. All we are doing is making the situation worse to the point where hostilities will eventually occur. We are just bring that date forward. I can't get through to you and you can't get through to me. and at a political level, we hate each other.
137
My wife is Basque and daughter in law Brazilian. I have to be careful what I say.
@142
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't need to get through to me. I support the Falklanders self-determination always have here. There is nothing else you need to get through to me, and there is nothing I would be interested in anyway.
It is a great myth Argentina and the UK have anything in common. 100 years ago to this day, perhaps the two countries were “best buddies”, but those days are long gone and they are not coming back.
I do admire the Argentinians I really do.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is their Mother Country ranked first in the World for their remorseless cruelty to the indigenous peoples; they murdered and enslaved on a truly truly massive scale and killed them off. They were far far worse than the Third ....
Their bloated, vain strutting, newly dubbed, pride and incredible carnal gluttony for riches was inconceivable; it was a novelty; so original.
However, what did the real damage was the venereal disease spread by their carnal Men and their Women who derived from their slums, as they had their way.
@144
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So so so smmmart ma ma ma mate!
T-t-take da da that a-a-a-arg-gies! Seeee? Ww-wer smarrrrtr than u u u you!
@-Nostr...-
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolationism doesn't work if you expect to have your gleaming malls and expressways, cinemas, cafe culture and fine dining, technology etc.... And whether you like it or not transnationals and countries are increasingly going to come for Argentinas resources. Without genuine alliances (forget this shallow -brotherhood of South America- bollocks) and integration with the major players Argentina is going to lose more and more of its soveriegnty. Thats just the way of the world. Either that or get yourself some nukes act unstable, make threats and keep blowing up the desert like North Korea and Iran do. Argentina is just too big a country with too poor a management . It doesnt have the ability to defend itself. Shouting and insulting other countries might make you feel big and strong but they are just words and hot air and it shows a lack of self belief. Paraguay could invade and take over Argentina if they wanted too....
143
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not getting through to you. You are a realist and we both can see this impasse. It is immovable at this time, as it was in 1982. You know the determination of your political leaders and I am sure, if you know anything about the British, we will not move on this position particularly when we sent a task force to support it.
I know all about the history of Argentina and the UK's relationship. Peron soured it. Too bad.
Jorrocks - Your postings are the most ridiculous statements I have seen for a very long time. First of all, Argentina IMPORTS bananas from Ecuador and Colombia - it doesn't export them. So it is very unlikely that you have ever eaten a banana from Argentina.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second, your other remarks are based on what? Spain's behaviour in the New World was atrocious, especially in the Caribbean and New Spain but equally the British Empire conquests were not without their atrocities. But these events are/were historical and, believe me, except for the atrocious behaviour of the Argentine government in the matter of the Falklands/Malvinas the majority of the Argentine people are civilised, well mannered, and delightful people.
As far as your reference to STDs - nonsensical and stupid.
@146
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is your evidence Paraguay could be capable to invade Argentina?
Talk about talking out of your arse.
Youve taken that last deliberately flippant remark of mine seriously.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lighten up eh.. And of course you failed to counter any of the other comments I made...
@150
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact that is the talk in South American circles these days... that any country could wage war against Argentina and invade. Since for 150 years (1840s to 1990s), Argentina was the most powerful military in Latin America really, and we have chosen through our government to dilapidate it, the other countries couldn't say that.
But now it is the talk in Chile, Brazil, Peru, Paraguay, Colombia, etc...
I would only remind all of them, and even you Brits, of a saying by a fine Argentina general of the Chile-Peru campain:
“the mightiest and most deadly weapon at a military man's disposal is to be understimated”
Think about that quote and battles and wars throughout history. Wise words.
Where were you when Mr Galtierie was coming up with his master plan? he could have done with being reminded of that saying.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@146
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did I read that Argentina were going to invade Chile but thought taking the FALKLANDS would be easier. I would look to the West and North if I was the Government in Argentina. I see that Brazil is arming itself, maybe they want the return of the Iguazu Falls,now there is a thing to think on.Bit silly not to have a decent deterent these days.
Ok come back to the UK defence. We have sufficient forces and equipment to deal with any problems with the defence of the UK
@152
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the most powerful weapon of all, because it never becomes obsolete. Look at you in Afghanistan, the yanks in Vietnam, etc, Suez, Qaddafi and the Libyan rebels, etc, etc.
@149-Tobias
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is because your military is sh!t, as your government has kept them starved of resources and new equipment.
Quite frankly the Argentine government is the biggest threat to Argentina. Poorly maintained ships. Old equipment. A demoralised military.
That doesn't make for a good fighting force.
Besides your military is only any good when you outnumber the opposition 1000/1 and they aren't armed.
@155
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm glad that is your assessment.
“the mightiest and most deadly weapon at a military man's disposal is to be underestimated”.
(39) Mr. Mc.Dod
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say.....:
”@23 I believe that if you do a little research you'll find that the exploration (in the Malvinas Isles) is being done by public not private companies. Think and I are both subscribers so I'm sure he would agree with me on this one.
I say....:
I coluldn't agree more.....
By the way.... How's going for our BS shares?
Oooops................ BS down again today to 25 pennies!
BS shares are almost as low as before those “Great January News”...:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/01/29/south-falklands-gas-condensate-discovery-in-technically-and-commercially-viable
Thats good..........
Ah think, share prices, your favourite subject!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Who is Stupid Enough to Buy Argentina’s Lies or Its Debt?'
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://wallstreetpit.com/98810-who-is-stupid-enough-to-buy-argentinas-lies-or-its-debt/
Time to ramp my BS shares up!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/53467/market-overly-pessimistic-on-borders-southerns-darwin-discovery-53467.html
Chuckle chuckle...............
@159
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is stupid enough to have anything to do with Wall Street?
You don't know what happened twice in the last 10 years with them don't you??
@156 - Tobias
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well given your military's past performance, and the fact that your government won't give them any money, I believe that as it stands your military s crap.
That doesn't mean to say that with a decent government who funds your military appropriately that will always be the case.
But Argentina doesn't have a decent government, does it? It has a thieving government who are so busy lining their own pockets that they don't actually give a damn about Argentina, it's people or it's defence, whilst all the time waving the 'Malvinas Myth' around as a distraction to the indoctrinated masses.
Even that won't work forever though, will it? Very soon the Argentine people will realise just how badly they've been screwed over by CFK and her cronies, but by then it will be far too late to save Argentina from economic ruin.
@162
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would I discuss anything with an obviously utterly ignorant individual displaying a stentorian paucity of general education?
Past performance? We've won most of our past wars. A 3rd grader surely is more world-conscious than you.
@160
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have many shares in the oil companies exploring for oil in the FALKLANDS.
Quite happy with my investments thanks. Think. Read the article again, it says overly pessimistic ( google Overly pessimistic ) I THINK you may learn something. I am going to give you a piece of advice ( take it or leave it no probs )
BUY Premier oil, Rockhopper,Borders and Southern, and Desire shares. Premier oil have hired a rig to carry on drilling in the FALKLANDS in 2014.
Borders and Southern will also share the rig as will Desire. Where are the court papers served on the oil companies to stop them drilling in FALKLAND waters. And where will they be served. ( What court ? )
Good Luck
163... Been at the Thesaurus again, it's good, makes you seem all educated jajaja
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most important war you lost , the Falklands, where the RGs possessed well dug in and defensive positions...epic fail!!!! Use some more fancy words from your online Thesaurus go on, impress us all
TWIMC
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woooooooow...............
We got a “World Exclusive” today at MercoPress.....
Turnip “golfcronie” informs us at (164) that....:
“Premier Oil have hired a rig to carry on drilling in 2014.”
Anybody out there that can confirm “Mr. Golfcronie's” wetdream?
Anybody?
@163 - Tobias
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it's easy to win when your fighting someone weaker and less well armed than yourselves, isn't it?
Let's see.
-War of Brazil - a tie not a win.
-War of the Confederation - a win, but only because of Chile breaking the confederation.
-War of the Triple Alliance - win (really 3 against 1 hardly seems fair).
-Conquest of the Desert - win (against poorly armed and outnumbered natives).
-Conquest of the Chaco Austral - win (another brave win against the natives).
-I found in the list world war 2, but since you didn't actually choose a side until the axis were all but defeated, I won't count it, as you didn't actually do any fighting, so therefore can't take any credit for 'winning it'.
-The Dirty War - do you count this war as a win or a lose, Tobias?
The Falklands War - lose. (Yup your troops were very good at terrorising civilians that they outnumbered by more than 1000/1, but against an actual armed and well trained force, not so good).
The Gulf War - did you actually do any fighting there? Oh you sent a ship, I remember now, but fighting nope, so you can hardly take any credit for 'winning' it.
I didn't mention the war of Indpendence or the numerous civil wars you had because in the first one Argentina didn't exist, and the second one you were fighting yourselves.
So in summary, Argentina is very good at 'winning' wars against poorly armed natives, or when they outnumber the other side. They are very good at stealing the kudos for winning WW2 without actually having done anything.
And you are very good at throwing your fellow citizens out of aircraft.
But fighting against a well disciplined, well armed, well motivated military, then no you are not very good, are you?
Perhaps it is you who should return to school Tobias, don't you think?
Or are you going to throw a tantrum now?
@167, well put :D
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0166...hurts though doesn't it, in the pit of,your stomach...oil to start flowing and Falklands to vote in referendum for self determination as your friend Mr Moon of the UN recently said applied to the Falkands.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0things are not going to well are they??? But hey oh you still get your food parcels so keep on trolling
TWIMC
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C'mon Anglo Turnips.......
Help Anglo Turnip “golfcronie”.
He is, after all, one of your own....!
*“Premier Oil have hired a rig to carry on drilling in 2014.”* he said.....
Is he telling porkies?
@167
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil war we won, we got what we wanted, to drive Brazil from the Rio de la Plata. And we beat them in battle after battle. Your premise that it was a tie is ridiculous, even the Brazilian historians agree they lost, given they had a far superior navy and a far larger population yet could not hold on to their territory. To suggest it was a tie because Argentina did not annex Brazil is like saying you and the Krauts “tied” Napoleon because you didn't take over France.
I've always noted how seething your hatred of Argentina is, you do whatever and say whatever to trash all aspects of the country: history, food, culture, economics, you always clumsily do your best to disparage and basically your goal is to claim everything related to Argentina is universally bad. You do realize even the worst nations (and most nations are far worse), have good qualities.
Just admit it, you are a poor man with a huge chip on your shoulder. Thus your predictable reactions here.
And who has the UK defeated since 1700?
Bronze age natives in North America
Bronze age natives in Africa
Stone age hunter-gatherers in scattered ocean islands and Australia
WWII (really USA, Soviet Union, you, and underground French,Polish, Scandinavian forces against Germany... not very impressive really). I don't count Japan since you did squat there.
The rest?
Suez Canal, epic fail
Iraq, embarrasing withdrawal
Afghanistan, humiliation
@165
That was the least important war in our history. Sorry. Independence, Triple Alliance, Brazil war, all were more important.
Seems Britain was very good at building empire against tribes and starving countries (Ireland), but against a proper enemy in Europe... nada, nada, nada.
That's how your “mighty” empire developed... You did build your empire in Europe didn't you? Not against the French, Italians, Germans, Russians...
@164 Do you mind. I have the exclusive rights to give Think South Atlantic investment advice so cease and desist or I'll report you to the FSA.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@171 I think you forgot imposing ourselves all over China (boxer revolution) the nation with the largest GDP for the last few thousand years. The destruction of the Ottoman empire was quite a good one. Being Argentinian, we'd expect you to use a selective version of history though (or just lies).
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best part about WW2 for you was when Peron was promised the Falklands by his bff Hitler, who subsequently lost (fled to Argentina) just when Argentina decided to join in on the other side. Then engaged in germanic territorial nationalism for the next 60+ years, learned from Peron's bff Hitler.
Seriously, trying to trash-talk the long-gone British empire when you have all the morality of the nonce-wing in a prison is quite staggering.
@170
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do a bit of research for yourself.
Facts Premier oil/Rockhopper are Drilling at least 3 wells in 2014
1 well in Chatham prospect ( Discovery Sea Lion)
1 well in The S2 Prospect ( Discovery Sea Lion )
1 well in Zebedee ( in Desires licence area ) Part of Sea Lion
Try going to Rockhopper website and search for Presentations it is all there , be my guest in fact why not all of you research it.
First oil in Q3 2017
The above has to happen as part of the Licence agreement with the FALKLANDS GOVERNMENT
I have no clue about the Boxer rebellion, it must be rather inconsequential. I took a quick look therefore:
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Belligerents:
Pro-Qing Empire factions
vs
Russian Empire, British Empire, United States of America, Austria-Hungary, French Empire, German Reich, Italian Empire, Japan (8 nation-Alliance) + Shandong Army + support of Portuguese Empire, Mongolian Subversives
SHIT... that sounds like a fair fight!!
I didn't know anything about this 8+ Alliance... how typical of a European for you to be proud of such outrageous and immoral subjugation of the self-determination of others.
Thank you for once again confirming, Europeans have no morals.
(174) golfcronie
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You said “textually”at (164) ...:
“Premier Oil have hired a rig to carry on drilling in 2014.”
Fact is that...:
Premier Oil has NOT hired any rig to carry on drilling in 2014.
Besides.....
I'm extremly happy with Mr.McDod as my “Londonium Financial Advicer”.
BS shares have gone down~70% since he got me “hooked” into that BS.....
Argie YPF's shares have gone up~70% during the same period ;-)
http://www.google.com/finance?cid=662043
Goto Rockhopper website muppet
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(177) golfcronie
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still..................
NO oilrig has been hired by anybody to carry any drilling in the Malvinas Isles in 2014.
NONE...
Stop telling porkies.....
Is so lower class :-)))
@176 Thank you for your wholehearted endorsement. I continue to recommend you take the long view.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@175 ... Argentina cannot even impose its will over a desolate frozen wasteland or a set of islands that you desire in a curiously gollumesque fashion.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also you forgot about the Anglo-russian war.... Boer wars...
Seems you forgot about most wars really; which we can put down to your use of selective history thru being argentine.
@178
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0go to Rockhopper website ( look at presentations ) it is part of licence agreements
@180
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have half of Paraguay, don't we?
We have 85% of Iguazu falls, don't we?
We have the Puna de Atacama, don't we?
We have the dry Pampa, don't we?
We have 85% of Patagonia, don't we?
We have half of Tierra del Fuego, don't we?
We have Martin Garcia Island, don't we?
I love this. I can literally feel it that facing the truth about Argentina (not the lies from frustrated, sour brits), is like pouring salt on a poor slug.
@182 So it's all about seizing territory is it?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That explains a lot!
@183 we opened the door... he walked right in.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it is. If there is one people that would understand that mindset on a genetic level is the British.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@181 I think Think is trying to tell you that “plans is plans” not facts. He tends to believe that the whole enterprise is built on gross over optimism (over promise and under deliver as it were). They might find it hard to actually “name that rig” when the fear of litigation puts the rig suppliers off. One might not agree. Just remember that you're not always conversing with like minded people on here.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@182
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but you do not have the FALKLANDS and you never will unless the FALKLANDERS decide to talk to you.
Tell me how many flags have the UNION JACK on them
Get over it
25 more days , the world is going to know the result of the FALKLANDERS wish
171... I bet you wished you had had a formal education...love the WW2 facts
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I forgot the Polish forces (trained and armed by the uk) along with the mighty free French (trained and equipped) by the uk and used for political and propaganda reasons from d- day on, hardly a massed army or game changer as you have said. Plus the mighty Scandinavians that as far as I can recall valiantly fought the USSR when they were on Your friend the Nazis side. emeber the USSR Nazi pact??? Better google it. Japan , seem to remember a lot of fighting in Burma and borders of India.. USA joined in 1941 after Nazis declared war on them !!! Remember....so go back to troll school, oh forgot your pretend troll identity as a teacher, go back to your imaginary school
@184Shed-time
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was the kind of open goal most strikers only see in their dreams!
Straight in the back of the net!
@189 I did have to laugh when I read that comment as it just confirmed what we all knew. Underneath that 'pretense of normality' is one's typical Argentine, desperately proud of what they've stolen from others.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@188
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the most desultory, discursive, curtly prolix, diffuse, and staccato harangue of the week.
171... Also seemed to remember a famous 100 year war with a very close European country, the napolionic wars remember them a game changer that enabled the UK to become a major power, battle of Waterloo , trafalgar and all that jazz. We fought the Russians in the Crimean war, wow anymore European countries we didn't fight...I think your right we did only pick on poorly defended weaker nations, Germany Ww1 spring to mind, oh dam we were equally matched in men and resources leading to a bloody stalemate.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well done yet again proved your intelligence by posting utter drivel jajajajajajaj
(186) Mr. McDod
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
He (Mr. Think) tends to believe that the whole enterprise is built on gross over optimism (over promise and under deliver as it were).”
I say...:
Permit me to clarify...:
Mr. Think (me) firmly believes that the whole British South Atlantic Oil Enterprise is built on a Bubble Hoax of Mississippian dimensions.....
Now that Nostril has shown his true colours, can I just say that the fat ginger lady that spouts easily refutable lies still looks fat and ginger.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if she's married.
@192
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can compose the next 200 messages here and the fact remains, the UK is an anti-democratic nation with a zest for oppressing, subjugating or denying others their rights. The very constitution of the UK is based on the oppression and attempted effacing of Welsh, Irish, and Scottish culture.
There's a reason Irish is almost dead as a language in Ireland, a travesty since celtic languages deserve better.
Not difficult for us in the rest of the world to understand, really.
@171 - Tobias
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The war of Brazil was a tie, according to the history books (well none Argentine ones anyway). Do any of our Brazilian posters want to educate Tobias on real history, not history made up to big up Argentina?
As for the rest of your post it's just drivel as usual. A case of trying to deflect from your own failings.
As for the British doing nothing against the Japanese, you seem to have missed out how we and other Empire (now Commonwealth) troops stopped them at the border of India, and pushed them back.
I don't hate Argentina. The only problem I have with Argentina is your 'brave' bullying and sabre rattling that your government does, that is supported by people like you.
I don't 'hate' anybody, stop projecting your own prejudices onto others.
In Britain we don't deny our past. You deny your past though, don't you Tobias?
The conquest of the desert. Well it was against native Amerindians, but they started it, didn't they? By trying to defend themselves.
Or perhaps they came from Chile, because we all know that those native Amerindians knew that in the future South America was going to be divided up into countries.
In fact, I've heard all your excuses before Tobias, about how it isn't Argentina's fault, it is the fault of (insert name of scapegoat here).
It doesn't wash with anyone.
But when is Argentina going to stop harassing and bullying a small population who want nothing to do with them?
If its about sovereignty then take it to the International Court of Justice. If you won't then you can shut up about it.
But Castro is right. This is a bilateral matter between the UK and the Falkland Islanders.
Argentina butt out where you are not wanted or welcome.
191... Back to the old trusted Thesaurus jajajajaja
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0195... More drivel , forget your previous posts that have been proved to be utter rubbish, onto a new lie
UK undemocratic hahaha love it, with the oldest democratic parliament in the world jajajaja. Fighting dictatorships from Mussolini to the nazis to the Argentine Junta.... How's the free press in Argentina, anymore further government control on opposition views. nowmove on to your next subject, litter your posts with Thesaurus searches to make you seem educated. Any indiginous people or languages left in Argentina???? Road signs in Wales are written first in welsh...dam those English repressors
@ 192 Nostri
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Selknam Genocide
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selknam_Genocide
We've never managed to go that low!
@198
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did most of the original settlers to Tierra del Fuego come from?
Check mate.
@197
“Democracy” only for the English (and btw your are the biggest dummies for believing you live in a democracy).
The UK exist by oppressing the nationality of three other societies, it's as simple as that. You Brits, Germans, French and Italians were smarter than the Spanish, you ruthlessly destroyed the Scots language, Irish, and Welsh; Low German, Occitan, and Friulian.
You are a joke and non-democratic. You oppress other countries to this day and refuse to apologize for past crimes.
Deluded Argies CFK ect
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do talk rubbish sometimes,
Your rhetoric isn’t working,
We both know, and everybody on here knows, this is all about resources , minerals , oil , ect ect , you just want to steal something you have never owned , never administered , its all nothing but anti British hatred,
You deluded Argies don’t give a stuff about the British , or the Falkland islanders , or democracy , or freedom of choice,
All you Argies want is the wealth of the Falklands,
The fact of the matter is for all to see,
As for the islanders, they themselves freely stated they want nothing to do with argentina, and prefer to remain British , full stop,
Soon there will be a referendum, and we will respect the result, as it is there choice, and not argentines,
They have a right to remain British , and the British will defend them,
Now whether Argentina or the rest of South America likes it or not,
There is nothing, but nothing you can do about it,
But let your leaders make a complete fools of themselves, by telling lies after lies ,
You don’t have the Falklands, and you wont get them either,
No matter how much insults and threats you throw out,
One day Argentina [the government] might grow up and respect other people’s rights instead of acting like juvenile bullies.
Just my opinion.
.
@138 Good. Fuck off!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@141 Ever tried using real English? Here's a tip. Don't get in our way.
@143 Too true. What would Britain (homo sapiens) have in common with slugs and bacteria (argies)?
@149 It's easy. What you have and what you are are the same thing. NOTHING. I've flushed better down a public toilet.
@151 Don't you worry. Any SA country that wants to annihilate argieland, we'll be glad to explain how. Which should we go for? Telling them how to stop you shagging each other? Or telling them to encourage you shagging each other? Just the “males”. Real women wouldn't notice those 5 millimetre erect pricks!
@156 Britain doesn't take chances. Annihilate everything. You still owe for 255 British servicemen killed. I reckon half a million argies for each British serviceman. Aren't you a few argies short?
@157 Piss off, slug.
@163 Sure. If that's what you want to believe. Here's a few thoughts. You've “fought” indigenous people with stone-age weapons. You've “fought” other colonists. Then you came up against a real nation. and got squashed. Should we turn you into a puddle?
@171 How nice that you believe your “government”'s propaganda. And what happened when you finally came up against a real nation with real armed forces? Didn't you get creamed? And is that we only sent 10% of our armed forces? Want to try again so we can halve your population? Go read some real history. French. Beat them from 1807 to 1815. Italians are like argies. Cowards. Germans? Twice. Russians? Anytime. Nothing in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America can defeat British forces. With Canada to the north and Britain to the west, the United States would have a problem. Seem to recall we've burned their White House before now. Be sensible. What do you really have besides a big mouth? And we WANT to kill you.
@195 Would you DARE get close enough and visible enough to be in my sights? Look around you. NOTHING is SAFE. YOUR death is close. have a nice day!
Xav- love to know how Arg can “block us all” - that is going to make us so scared?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cut the Lan flight if you like! A lot of Arg veterans and families ogf the dead will be bloody annoyed with you!
A lot of Chileans who live here will be bloody annoyed with you.
A lot of us Islanders will laugh at you - as we develop another airlink that does not overfly Arg territory.
So we dont exist? I said that the other day acting as a tourist guide “they must understand it was just my voice talking not me the person”- the Ecuadorean and Mexican family laughed - and said well - “you Islanders must be Gods! - and as Christina says she is a catholic - you should be able to tell her what to do”!!
@201
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You bet stone-age tribes. You didn't beat French in 1807 sorry, just a fraction of pro-Napoleon forces. You didn't beat Germany, the Russians did. You didn't burn the white house, you had “inside help” from traitors. Your history started with the Italians conquering you... your modern language started by the French-Normans conquering you. Your importance on the world stage started by getting lucky and the weather defeating the Spanish Armada, not you. The Soviets could wipe you out tonight 100 times over in your little island, you would not be able to touch 99% of their huge territory. You are a puppet of the USA, you lost three hand to hand engagement with Argentines in 1806, 1807, and 1845.
That is the reality, that is your laughable history. You AMOUNT to NOTHING.
(203) Nostrolldamus the 10th
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always remember the archetypical Britons words........
“'History will be kind to me,' Churchill said, 'for I intend to write it myself.'”
That's what Brits always do......
Brainwash anybody?
@203
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ouch... that's just rough talk!! But true... !!!
@193
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oil in FALKLANDS
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The Falklands don't have 30% inflation, a sinking currency becoming more worthless every day, a defeated military force with low morale and clapped out equipment. The Falklands isn't run by a load of nutters whose only international pals are idiot clapped out washed up dictators. They don't have to fear going out after dark when they might get mugged raped or murdered. They don't have to have metal grilles on their windows because of thrives. The don't have bent police or politicians lining their own pockets who everyone fears and no-one respects. Their islands aren't under warning by the IMF. They can hold their heads up to be part of an international community of nations that fought fascists and won against the odds and stands for freedom and democracy.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paltry insults and stupid interpretation of history is all you can respond with in reply to overwhelming evidence that Argentina's claim is patent nonsense. You were beaten in the only war that now counts, the last one. A bit like your navy that ran, your army that surrendered to a much smaller force. Continue to dig your hole, we are watching with laughter and pity as once again the Argentine is falling back into a pit of poverty and isolation.
@204
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reading a British history book is like following the steps of a drunken limp through a curvy road during an Earthquake.
Think
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Think what do you think, look at the website it is happening in front of your eyes. Buy some shares ,you know you want to. I bet you cannot dispute my earlier post. looking forward to your reply
are reading argentinians version of british history.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mr churchill may be dead,
but he had some wise words to say, [as well as bad ones] before you say it.
but the falklands wishing to remain british, should be respected.
@203 and your history
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You couldn't beat your meat since the 1800's till now.
You are Spaniards with thier balls cut off.
You side with Nazis and behave in the same manner.
You are thieves and murderers of your own people.
You are cowardly bullies.
We could wipe you out tonight a hundred times over.
You will never own the Falklands.
(206) golfcronie
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll refer you to the concise and wise words of my esteemed Londonian Financial Adviser, Mr.Doveoverdover .......:
“I think Think is trying to tell you that “plans is plans” not facts.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/02/12/argentina-says-three-side-dialogue-on-falklands-malvinas-issue-is-unthinkable#comment216990
208... Some good books... A nice small book only one page.. Famous argentine military victories... A longer read is the argentine book of human rights violations
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@211
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have never beaten an enemy without some sort of alliance.
You are like the Scotts and Welsh with all the decency removed.
You side with with European history of empire and are proud of it.
You are thieves and murderers of your own and OTHER people.
You are cowardly bullies (behind the USA)
You can't wipe out even 1% of Argieland with what you got.
You will never have relations with us again.
I repeat
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You couldn't beat your meat since the 1800's till now.
You are Spaniards with thier balls cut off.
You side with Nazis and behave in the same manner.
You are thieves and murderers of your own people.
You are cowardly bullies.
We could wipe you out tonight a hundred times over.
You will never own the Falklands.
I repeat again we could wipe you of the face of the earth tonight. 4 x ballistic submarines. 16 missles per boat 12 independantly targeted warheads per missile you do the sums, and the best thing is they'd never have to leave British waters. We have alliances because we have friends something you sorely lack
@212
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAAAAAAAAAAAA
Facts you lot do not know what facts are. You always distort the truth.
He does not know a fact if it bit him on the a**e
@215
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not even the most optmistic estimate says you have over 150 warheads. Your 4 x 16 x 12 is just crap, and because they are missile tipped, their yield is not as large as even some of the test bombs in film... that was the trade off to make the technology work ballistically.
And using all your precious source of arrogance to take care of at best 1% percent of Argentine territory (would still leave millions out in the small towns and country side intact), would cost you all your alliances, and at worst a retaliation since you would be out of warheads another nation would have no qualms using them. Since you would have no friends from such action anyway, and likely the entire world as an enemy, they could bomb your little island where your population is far more concentrated and take care of far more of you. And said enemy may have thousands of war heads.
Try it... lol
I'm not saying we should try it I was responding to your shit arguement that russia could wipe us out tonight and I say we could could wipe YOU out tonight. And by the way they are not missle tipped they are MIRVS 100Kts. Nobody would have any friends from using them that's why they are there a DETERRENT but even so 150 warheads would wipe your sorry arses off the planet. Oh by the way don't forget Tomohawk can be fitted with Nuclear warheads and we have thousands of those bad boys
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(216) golfcronie
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I “Think” its time to stop this “monologue” with you.....
Regards to your poor lovely missus....
You don't deserve her ;-)
217 Tito The Clown Troll
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Tito, Tito!!! Don't you know??? You should NEVER get into a d**k measuring contest with an Englishman because:-
1/ All Englishmen are hung like a horse
and
2/ You are KFC's little b*tch, and so you have no d**k to measure.
See? Now I am sorry to point it out to you but there you go.... You will never win against:-
slattzzz RN Phd ( That's Pretty Huge Dick to you and me )
@220 Horse no way Elephant lol
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@219
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think
Silence speaks volumes. seriously you need to buy Premier oil, Rockhopper shares
Not worth much now but in 2015/6 could be worth a lot of money. Obviously your choice.
@208
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which British history book have you been reading, Tobes?
The one that he read when he posted that we were at war with them in 1826.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When in fact he knew it was Brazil, easy ferkin mistake, both start with the letter B. Then the nasty little man accuses us of cowardice, for not fighting with Brazil. Duh, someone work that one out!
@224 he's a complete and utter brainwashed arse, THINKS he's clever then gets shot down at every corner, believes what he reads on Wikipedia (anyone can update it) and thinks it's gospel bless him. Won't tell us where he lives or his job when we will tell him ours (not that he will believe you. Why LIE?). And is in a love affair with the trout that is SussieUs and all her twenty aliases
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOS.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was about to set you right on some of your various comments but then thought, I just can't be arsed. You are not amenable to any view but your own which you pontificate at L-E-N-G-T-H over and over and over ad infinitum . So, I will just go and play the guitar. You should try it, it's good for anger management.
Think
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ref; My post @206 You called me a liar, well have you researched it or not, I await your answer. Doubt you have anything constructive to disprove my post.
@227 course not mate the truth usually shuts them up
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is your problem foreign losers,
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You enjoy the game of trashing the other country with over-exaggerations, outright lies and fantasies, peppered with jots of half-truths in order to make the whole pile of Euro credible.
You stop liking that game when someone does that same thing back to you...
You all would make pusillanimous scullions.
@229
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth hurt dont it. In about 20 yrs time the GDP of the FALKLANDS will be greater than Argentina, in fact they will probably be invited to join the G20 by GREAT BRITAIN ( a colonial power if the Argies are to be believed )
@230
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed. That good old donkey lasagne is a European/UK classic now.
Should be put on all travel brochures.
@231
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK Government have sorted it out. It is fantastic with Magic Mushrooms, were are going to do a deal with the FALKLANDS ( Oil for the UK industry and Penquin meat , seal and whale meat for the populace )
Donkey curry sounds manky.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately it won't be long until Argentine supermarkets won't be able to afford to import it. Along with any other foodstuff not produced domestically.
Then your farmers realise government price caps force them to sell at a loss and export restrictions have basically ruined them.
Then all that's left is government expropriation of farms and the army being sent in to confiscate produce.
Welcome to being the new zimbabwe :))
I'm not surprised, you Europeans destroy the environment wherever you go.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0European lion? gone.
European bear? gone.
North American passenger pigeon? gone.
Thylacine? gone.
Warrah? (falkland islands) gone.
I'm sure you euro-aussie-yanks are so proud of exterminating utterly defenseless animals (far more defenseless than even the most stone-age backwards tribe of homo sapiens).
Thank goodness Argentina is not part of such a morally rotten culture.
@234
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am thinking of going to Argentina for a holiday shortly, how many U$D can I take in and do I have to declare them. I was thinking that I could buy ARSpesos on the black market so that I could buy what I want cheaper than if I was to change them in a bank. Would this work for me? Provided I don't get mugged.
European Lion!
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wow this has really degenerated.
Everyone discuss ANYTHING except the topic.
Even an animal that went extinct 2,500 years ago and may not have even been a separate species.
' ...you Europeans destroy the environment wherever you go.'
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's South America knackered then (especially the bit those euro-colonists named Argentina).
@236
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't deny it can you? Why are their lions in Africa, tigers in Asia, jaguars in the Americas but no big cats in Europe? Europeans exterminated them? It is obviously genetic in Europeans to lack empathy for animals, the evidence is overwhelming.
@235
It has nothing to do with dollars, we are tying to keep you Europeans and yanks out without being to coy of it.
@237
Argentina is not european.
@238
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have eaten them all, our Government told us it was beef,anyway you should try the Magic Mushrooms. Might chill you out man
Toodlepip
This evenings selection of completely contradictory ludicrous hyperbole from the poison pen of Nostril;
Feb 14th, 2013 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0''You enjoy the game of trashing the other country with over-exaggerations, outright lies and fantasies, peppered with jots of half-truths''
....followed by....
''I'm sure you euro-aussie-yanks are so proud of exterminating utterly defenseless animals''
Followed by...
''It is obviously genetic in Europeans to lack empathy for animals, the evidence is overwhelming.''
Mwaahahaha. Is there some deep irony here and you are playing this for laughs? Or are you just incredibly stupid and giving us all a giggle by accident?
Carry on anyway, you crazy boy. I think you probably should be doing your homework, but I think you should consider a career in comedy,
What about the Milodon, you hideous giant sloth killing monsters? You exterminated them, every one. I just hope you are proud of yourselves. And those sabre- toothed tigers. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
@238 TTT
Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Can't deny it can you? Why are their lions in Africa, tigers in Asia, jaguars in the Americas but no big cats in Europe? Europeans exterminated them? It is obviously genetic in Europeans to lack empathy for animals, the evidence is overwhelming.”
You are quite right, thought you would never find out that we killed and ate them centuries ago. I suppose your Great grandmother told you about it - she was there in Europe about the same time.
Oh, no!! You are going to claim the Amerindian ancestry “get out of gaol free card”, now. Damn!!!
Are you getting enough personal attention now, from posting outrageous nonsense??
BTW, there are no Penguins in Hertfordshire any more.
They were tasty!!
@240
Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no irony. YOU people started the insults. I'm merely retaliating.
And the difference is there is no conclusive evidence linking the extinction of the Smilodon, or the Terrabirds, to argentine/human hunting.
OTOH, there is not just conclusive, but definitive PROOF that the European Lion, the Passenger Pigeon, the Thylacine, and the Warrah were E-X-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E-D. By Europeans, and not by black slaves, native Americans, or Asian mine diggers.
“definitive PROOF that the European Lion” was “E-X-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E-D by Europeans”
Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please feel free to provide this proof.
There's not even D-E-F-I-N-I-T-I-V-E proof they were even a species!
If it wasn't so blatantly your own writing style I would suspect some other troll was using your login Nostrils.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/06/100614-neanderthals-cave-lions-predators-science/
Feb 14th, 2013 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Say hello to the Thylacine for me...
OMG Nostrils.....
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0What in that article was D-E-F-I-N-I-T-I-V-E?
Non sequitur dude.... non sequitur.
Should we introduce ourselves? Because this isn't the guy that I used to argue with. It is as if you have become dumber as summer has gone on.
I want to see a Thylacine, you Aussies as anglos supposedly take pristine care of the environment, so I'm sure you can send me a picture of thylacines at your local zoo. Thank you for fulfilling my request.
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@246 - Nostril/Tobias
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you don't post on 90% of Falklands related articles, yet here you are proving that you are a liar.
Tut, tut, shame on you.
Even bigger shame that you try to divert the thread with irrelevant crap.
Also here you are again denying your European heritage. Poor Tobias, a deluded self-hater.
However, what do any of your pathetic attempts to divert the thread have to do with your looney ambassador sticking in her big nose where it isn't wanted?
I ask myself that very same question when Cameron sticks his incarnadine cheeks into matters where he isn't wanted nor relevant? (Argentina's trade policies at G20 last year; Hague and Argentina's fishing policies last week).
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do understand, you don't have any sovereingty over us, right?
214- Nostrils
Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Loved the bit, you are the murderers of your own people
Did you forget the 30,000 of its own citizens that the glorious Argentine Government murdered in recent history. Bet you dont see to many nuns of internal RG Flights.
I note the troll script change, you are desparate to try to flood forums with Scottish and welsh subject, but as our friends the Falkland Islanders our great government has let the opressed masses of scotland determine their own future, its called Self Determination, and Mr Moon top UN chappy agrees with the UK. Suck it in
@248
Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0” You do understand, you don't have any sovereignty over us, right?
Where has anyone said we had?
244 Nostrolldamus the 10th
Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I followed your link, and very interesting it is too.
I'm really struggling to see any relevance to anything though. You appear to be offering up as evidence of 'Euro' degeneracy and cruelty to animals the fact that 300,000 years ago some early hominid ancestors of Neanderthals killed and ate big cats.
Is this really what you are saying? You'll have to forgive me if I see this as humour and irony here, because the only other interpretation is that you are quite incredibly thick.
Firstly, most modern day humans don't have any Neanderthal DNA. And if by any chance any of these pre- neanderthals are ancestors of homo- sapiens, then they are your ancestors too.
Meanwhile, a mere 100 years ago, Argentines were still earning money for hunting native South Americans.
It must be a strange world, living in your head space.
Tobias/TTT/Nostil
Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another attempt to divert the thread from the fact that your government is sticking its nose in where its not wanted.
Yet you don't post on '90% of the Falklands threads'.
I have yet to find one where you haven't posted in one or other of your incarnations.
That makes me believe that you aren't being entirely truthful.
Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom? YES or NO
Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/questions/477553115645297/
Join the debate on https://www.facebook.com/questions/477553115645297/
Falkland Islands Desire the Right!
Argentina says ==the blogg
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argie bloggers==
dinosures, just how far back are you going with this CFK falklands
concidering neither existed then,
unless you argies have time travel, we dont know about lol
#238
Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is obviously genetic in Europeans to lack empathy for animals, the evidence is overwhelming.
An interesting slant on things.!!! I would say our record is pretty good on animal coservation and protection.
Conservation societies in the UK
RSPB - over 1 million members active in world wide conservation of birds.
British Trust for Ornitholgy. Scientific research and surveys.
Wildfowl and Wetland Trust -conserving wetland habitats worldwide. Currently involved along with Russian naturalists, with saving the Spoon Billed Sandpiper in ASIA
World Wildlife Fund. The number one society world wide-started in the UK.
Any amounts of local wildlife groups in the UK who actively create reserves and try to protect and re introduce species to their former habitats.
Hows that for starters ? Argentina's record being ?
I looked up the list of endangered animals in Argentina and it listed quite a few !!
@251 Your comment (if I understand it correctly):
Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Firstly, most modern day humans don't have any Neanderthal DNA. And if by any chance any of these pre- neanderthals are ancestors of homo- sapiens, then they are your ancestors too.”
According to the forensic anthropologist Prof Svante Paabo (whom I met in the early days of PCR DNA amplification about 25 years ago), Neanderthals “died out” because they bred with homo sapiens and therefore part of the neanderthal genome is now part of ours.
See http://io9.com/5939148/new-dna-evidence-could-explain-what-happened-to-the-neanderthals
256 Steveu
Feb 14th, 2013 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought there was something in the news last year suggesting that about 3% of modern humans have neanderthal DNA, and that Homo sapiens most likely out- competed them.Don't have time to look for it now. Could be mis- remembering.
I don't know the exact figure for DNA sequence homology - it will depend where you are in the World (I think we share about 97% of our DNA with chimpanzees and about 50% with bananas!)
Feb 15th, 2013 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the last Neanderthals were living in Spain. There are examples of their art (simple beads etc) dating from about 30-40,000 years ago
@238, and @255 Clyde
Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's not forget the largest animal protection organisation in the world, the RSPCA, Royal Society for the Protection of Cruelty to Animals.
Started in 1824, in the UK, it was started and funded by caring citizens and later received State funding.
It's Patron is Queen Elizabeth II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Society_for_the_Prevention_of_Cruelty_to_Animals
Especially for TTT and the Trolls:
Althought it does receive some funding from the State, it is not an instrument of the reigning Government.
In fact,
”There have been controversies about the politicisation of the RSPCA in relation to badgers[6] and since Gavin Grant (Chief Executive), an activist with the British Liberal Democrats, was appointed as Chief Executive, repeated attempts at prosecution of the Heythrop Hunt,[7] David Cameron's local hunt, have increased the political accusations,[8] which are denied by the RSPCA.[9]”
@258
Feb 15th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry mate, I think Neanderthals still exist in Argentina. They are called the Argentinian Government. As fas as diplomacy is concerned, they are light years behind the civilised world.
TWIMC
Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of the positive things about MercoPress’s Falkland debate is that it made me ”discover” Mr. Samuel Johnson…..
What a pleasant ”discovery” it was.
What an intellect!......... His Scandinavian ascendance is undeniable.
Anyhow,…. Back to the Falklands (and Samuel Jönnson) …..:
“…… the whole system of European Empire can be in danger of a new concussion, by a contention for a few spots of earth, which, in the deserts of the ocean, had almost escaped human notice, and which, if they had not happened to make a seamark, had, perhaps, never had a name….
”The advantage of such a settlement, in time of peace, is, I think, not easily to be proved. For what use can it have, but of a station for contraband traders, a nursery of fraud, and a receptacle of theft!”
(Jupppppp….. He is speaking about the Malouines ;-)
http://www.samueljohnson.com/falklands.html
Samuel Johnson loyal & patriotic yet rational & restrained style resembles that of my honourable foe on these pages, Mr. McDod…..
Nice to see that British style and class still exists ;-)
Just take a look at Castro's picture, she looks angry and expression of hate! When are they going to let the people in the Falklands live in peace?
Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@261
Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are really digging for scraps aren't you?!
Got anything recent? Like, within the past 200 years??
(263)
Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British style and class has not “Best Before” date.
On the contrary......
264 Think-me-not
Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor think me not, getting it wrong with all the La Campora clowns..... Somethings never change....
Make the most of it Think-me-not because after March the whole world will know, You bullying thugs can not, will not silence the Islanders any longer...... HA, ha, ha!!
Your attempts at trying to bring them to heal has been laughable.
Your President has been exposed as the spoilt, snot-nosed, 5 year old that she is and your Foreign minister is a idiotic buffoon, who should have no place in serious politics.
And all this over some British islands.......
Why haven't you woo ed them into your fold yet? Come on Think-me-not!! Should be easy shouldn't it? after all Tito the Clown Troll and yourself always go on about how f**king great Argentina is, why haven't 3,000 British citizens gone over to you then?
I mean ( chuckle, chuckle ) Argentina is such a nice place, as Tito points out, you've got the whole world in one country, there is no need to go anywhere else....You should have them eating out of your hand shouldn't you? No???
You mean 40 million Argentine's don't have enough common sense or idea's between them to persuade 3,000 Islanders that Argentina is great?
“British style and class has not “Best Before” date.”
Your right... It doesn't. Argentine stupidity however, is still as fresh as it's ever been.
TWIMC
Feb 15th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BOR down 3.50% yesterday....
BOR down 3.63% today!
Testing the lower levels?
Sedco 712 not booked?
Chuckle chuckle©
@261 Think
Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What an intellect!......... your Scandinavian ascendance is undeniable.”
266 Think-me-not
Feb 15th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still waiting................................................
TWIMC
Feb 15th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good news.....
http://www.quadratinmexico.com/hugo-chavez-esta-consciente-y-al-frente-de-sus-tareas-fundamentales-senala-comunicado-oficial/
@261think
Feb 15th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Samuel Johnson loyal & patriotic yet rational & restrained style resembles that of my honourable foe on these pages, Mr. McDod…..
Nice to see that British style and class still exists ;-)“
LOL, ”mr. McDod“ are you still persisting in that fiction?? You are certainly making a point of casting him as your ” honourable foe“ - over and over again.
Your Dog and Pony show is obvious to everyone on here. Except perhaps, PH ALEX VARGAS.
Your ”Mr McDod, Commander McDod, Doveoverdover, 'Dame Dover' persona, is a very entertaining alter-ego for you, I'll grant you that.
In a way, he is such a caricature that he is easy for everyone to imagine. However, the stereotyped image you have created of a “gruff but affable” retired British serviceman and his dog, is 50 years out of date, and absolutely laughable.
Are you sure you didn't read the 'Beezer' 50 years ago as a child??
A certain character comes to mind:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JsT2sunEVI0/S1M-8kpV64I/AAAAAAAAACY/EzU-9GaSmgo/s1600-h/Colonel+Blink.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JsT2sunEVI0/S1M-8kpV64I/AAAAAAAAACY/EzU-9GaSmgo/s1600-h/Colonel+Blink.jpg
Poster (270) says...:
Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the stereotyped image you have created of a “gruff but affable” retired British serviceman and his dog.....”
I say...:
As far as I'm informed, Mr McDod shares domicile with two dogs.................; Nelson & Nigger ;-)
@271 - Think
Feb 16th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would know since it is you.
Strangely enough, I'm not even surprised at the racist name you've given your dog.
Why don't you post as DoD again, so you can back yourself up?
That always makes you feel better, doesn't it? Then at least one person is on your side.
(272)
Feb 16th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0U don't mean good old boy “Nigger”, do you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgePEO7GUtE
What a Turnip....
@273 - Think
Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always the racist. Always the loser.
But Castro is right. This is a 2 sided dialogue between the UK and the Falkland Islanders.
Perhaps Argentina should take a leaf out of North Korea's book, and BUTT out of things that are of no concern to you.
Go and live your racist life, in your racist Nazi led country, which is currently being destroyed by the very government you support.
When it all finally collapses, Argentina will have got its wish and will truly be on your own.
No international aid. No access to the World Bank or the IMF. No help from the G20.
But that's what you wanted.
And when you realise that what is about to happen will make the default in 2001/2 look like paradise in comparision.
And you did it all to yourselves. No outside help needed.
Well done Argentina. And well done CFK for ensuring that the Falklands will be protected from aggressive Argentinian colonialism for decades, if not centuries to come.
In fact, CFK may go down in history as the person who destroyed the country of Argentina, causing it to cease to exist, without so much as a shot being fired.
Quite an achievement that. You should be so proud of her.
“and insisted that a three-side dialogue on Malvinas sovereignty is ‘unthinkable’ because the issue is bilateral:”
Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the ISLANDER'S interests that have to be taken into account NOT the Argentine or British interests, according to the NON BINDING resolutions so YES 1+2+1 =3 participants.
It is clear the Argentines do not actually want sovereignty of the Falkland Islands as they won't talk to the people born there (a guarantee of NEVER getting them(-or if the Argentines were actually clever), benefiting financially from the resources they seem aggravated they can't get), and they won't invade as the collatoral retalitory damage on military targets in Argentina would never be accepted by the Argentine people.
@271think
Feb 16th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”As I say,,,
As far as I'm informed, Mr McDod shares domicile with two dogs.................; Nelson & Nigger ;-)“
And, as I said, ”an outdated caricature“ of a retired British serviceman.
”Nigger“ in the 1930's might have been unremarkable. I could even see an English person naming their pet dog, ”Nigger” in the 1950's perhaps, but since that time, in North America and Britain, the word has taken on such a negative connotation, that it would be utterly unacceptable. To do so would be to invite comment and criticism on a daily basis and it would not be viewed as humourous or 'clever'.
Racism is so commonplace still, in SA, it probably didn't occur to you that your caricature needed updating to reflect the changes in the English people and the Britain of today.
BTW, we don't have Gollywogs anymore, either.
#269
Feb 16th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good news.......?
Sounds ominous to me.
The communiqué adds that “as reported earlier respiratory infection arising in the postoperative course was controlled, but there is still a certain degree of failure.”
He added that “the medical team applies aggressive treatment for the underlying disease is not without complications” and that the head of state “cooperates with treatment and rehabilitation in close coordination with the medical team work.”
(276) Troy Tempest
Feb 16th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a lot of horse manure you Anglo-Canadians can spread .....
Because of the likes of you Mr. McDod had to name his youngest Labrador Retriever as “Gibson”....
I just happen to “Think” that he would have prefered to call him “Nigger”
As the star of one of the worlds best propaganda films...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgePEO7GUtE
Come here good “Nigger” boy.... Come here...
@278 think/col. blink
Feb 16th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Because of the likes of you Mr. McDod had to name his youngest Labrador Retriever as “Gibson”....
I just happen to “Think” that he would have prefered to call him “Nigger”
As the star of one of the worlds best propaganda films...
http://youtu.be/vrCGW5CjtY0
Come here good “Nigger” boy.... Come here...”
Not funny, Think. Weak answer.
Nobody is laughing.
Like the Nazi's and many of the La Csmpora Trolls, you cannot defend racism, or morally justify it.
Your only recourse is to try to ridicule or intimidate those who are opposed to it.
You have shown everyone what a vile “untermensch” you really are.
Are all Argentinians like this??
““In 1985 the UN told the UK that a referendum of that kind would not be recognized by that body” recalled Ambassador Castro”
Feb 17th, 2013 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Selective amnesia?
UN General Assembly Resolution 40/21 (1985) says
”Requests the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to initiate negotiations with a view to finding the means to resolve peacefully and definitively the problems pending between both countries, including ***all aspects on the future of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)**, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations;“
”... all aspects ...” - ALL aspects - means all aspects, including the Falkland Islanders' opinions and best interests.
@279
Feb 17th, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what other racial epithets the good Commander might have considered suitable for naming his dog?
(281)
Feb 17th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bomber Harris?
@282
Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since when was “Bomber Harris” a racial epithet?
(283) HansNiesund
Feb 17th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask...:
Since when was “Bomber Harris” a racial epithet?
I say...:
Since nearly a century ago in places like Sudan, Somalia, Kurdistan, Iraq (not to mention Germany and Austria....)
It epithomizes “Britishnes” true face and methods....:
”Wing-Commander Sir Arthur (Butcher) Harris (later Bomber Harris, head of WWII Bomber Command) was happy to emphasise that “The Arabs and Kurds now know what real bombing means in casualties and damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured.” It was an easy matter to bomb and machine-gun the tribespeople, because they had no means of defence or retalitation. Iraq and Kurdistan were also useful laboratories for new weapons; devices specifically developed by the Air Ministry for use against tribal villages.”
http://www.againstbombing.org/chemical.htm
Or this pearl from his boss, Sir Winston Churchill:
”I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.”
http://www.againstbombing.org/chemical.htm
Does the above answer your question?
@284
Feb 17th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In a word, no. By racial epithet I would have expected something like “The Bomber Harrises are defiling our women” or “The Bomber Harrises are coming over here and stealing our jobs” or perhaps something in a more Nostrolldamus flavor, such for example the idea that all the world's ills are the result of Brits acting out if genetic determinism.
But no, all I got was a typical Think distraction attempt, without which virtually no post, let alone thread, is complete.
(285) HansNiesund
Feb 17th, 2013 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And all I get is more of the same typical British pious platitude.
No “Distraction attemps” here....
Every word I write goes to show that Britain and its haughty colonial ways have no place in this world anymore....
@286
Feb 17th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You remind me of those Japanese soldiers who emerged from the jungles to general astonishment, years after the war had ended.
There hasn't been a British Empire for fifty years, and the smart money already knew that capitalism and the world had moved on back in the 1920's, when colonists were still pouring into Argentina.
All that remains now are those parts where the majority population, if not the totality, is determined to remain British. Do look it up sometime.
(287) HansNiesund
Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A Japanese soldier emerging from the jungle years after the war had ended”.....
How poetic......
Never thought about myself in that way......
I regard myself as a average Argentinean citizen fed up with some Haughty Brits trying to steal some 12,000,000km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory hiding behind the pretended “human rights” of some 2,000 British squatters.....
@288
Feb 17th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Groundhog day again, I see.
Your problem is that you are unable to make a better legal case for ownership than the status quo, you've failed militarily, and your diplomatic strategy isn't faring much better.
Meanwhile, in the past, your governments have been so inept that they couldn't even negotiate a solution when elements within the UK actually wanted to give the whole shebang up.
What I find perplexing is why you so much effort goes into nit-pickingthe events of two, three, or even four hundred years ago, and so little into considering the question of what you are doing wrong. I mean, it's not rocket science to figure out that antagonism breeds antagonism, or that antagonism from a weak position is a sure-fire loser.
But that said, I think we can agree that there is a greater game being played here than a disagreement over the rights of 3000 islanders. And in that respect, I find myself seriously wondering if the current diplomatic strategy, with all its apparent clueless undermining of its own stated objectives, isn't a deliberate tactic in that greater game. (although the possibility of just plain stupidity shouldn't be ruled out, of course).
@288think/blinky
Feb 17th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I regard myself as a average Argentinean citizen fed up with some Haughty Brits trying to steal some 12,000,000km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory hiding behind the pretended “human rights” of some 2,000 British squatters...”
Good summation, that's how we define you, too.
Interesting that you describe Brits as “haughty”, is that a genetic trait, then??
Do I detect your inferiority complex showing through??
Must be a skewed perspective you have.
“I regard myself as a average Argentinean citizen fed up with some Haughty Brits trying to steal some 12,000,000km2 of South Atlantic and Antarctic territory hiding behind the pretended “human rights” of some 2,000 British squatters...”
Feb 18th, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0They're not squatters, and the UK doesn't use them to justify its claims to the other territories. The UK has never argued that Falkland Islanders' right to self determination extends to SG&SS or the BAT. Argentina on the other hand does use Spain's activities in one of the territories to justify its claim to the other territories even though Spain never claimed the other territories.
@291 - dab14763
Feb 18th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They'll be claiming Spain next, stating that Argentina can never be whole until its territorial 'integrity' with Spain is re-established, and that Spain was left to them by Queen Isabella in 1811.
From there they'll then claim that Portugal, France, Belgium, Holland and Germany are all part of Argentinian territorial integrity because some Spanish people invaded these countries in the past.
Can't use that claim to get the UK though, can they? Spanish Armada didn't get through. :D
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