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Peruvian lawmaker supports Falkland Islanders’ referendum
Peruvian lawmaker Lourdes Alcorta openly dissented with President Ollanta Humala latest statements on ‘unconditional support for Argentina and the Malvinas issue”, and called to respect the Falkland Islands referendum next month. Read full article
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Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguayan Lawmaker
Tut tut tut....Laughing my arse off...!!!
@1
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets see... some rogue lawmakers not supporting Argentina on the one hand...
...Germany, France, and Italy on the record as OFFICIAL governments/nations saying they don't give a fark if the UK leaves the EU.
Which is a sign of more disunity... what conclusion would you draw?
:)
good for her, someone not cowtailing to the Bullies of the S Americas.At least she believes in DEMOCRACY
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finally common sense and an understanding of the UN charter have returned to latin america.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nostril
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, as an Argie, of course you are misquoting the governments of Germany, France and Italy....at no point did they say they “didn't give a fark”. Perhaps deliberately dishonest from you.
The official position of all of them is that if Britain decide to leave the European Union, then it's a shame but it's their right as a sovereign nation.
Not sure the relevance to this thread, but the fact you'd lie, leads me to a very obvious conclusion....you are a bit of a dick!
Nice attitude, because these two people have their own minds and are adult enough to make their own decisions in this matter, you class them as “Rogue” law makers. Thought you claimed to be intelligent.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does this sory have to do with whether or not UK citizens vote, in a referendum, which may or may not take place, or for that matter, the Falkland Islands issue.
Doesn't matter. Neither of these ones are on any of the 8 million meaningless committees they set up to avoid actually doing anything.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the usual bit of paper will still get passed round
*blah blah blah malvinas etc etc usurpers blah blah yawn whatever*
“just sign the bloody thing, then the mad stary bint will shut up and go away and we can all go for lunch”.
Keep that up for half a century, add in half a dozen Argentine economic collapses and the steady economic progress of the Falkland Islands and you have the story of latin america until 2063.
Curiously, there is so much fuss in Latin America over the expression of a concept that is inextricably enshrined in the UN charter, 'actual' General Assembly resolutions and in the 'designed' remit of the C24 (not it's current bastard of a remit)...
Feb 13th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... and apparently supporting this concept that is so important to the UN is seen as the most extreme kind of 'treachery'' to some kind of cause that Argentina insists all Latin American countries sign up to.
Surely this should have alarm bells ringing at UN HQ, no? Bloc of nations submitting to a cause that goes against the UN?
Peru's historic support for Argentina on this issue has its roots in their misplaced fear of Chile (my enemy's enemy). A pan-American lick of paint has been sloshed on to the position recently.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile is regarded as a serious country and Peru wishes to emulate this. Part of being a serious county in the wider world will involve recognizing the right of the FI to self determine. After the March referendum Chile will start to tone down its “support” for Arg on this issue. Cracks in the Peruvian position will follow.
Mosey the snot nose nostril power comes back on in messy mendoza and the first thing you do is divert and change the subject. Again you continue to show that you little juvenile trolls are totally incapable of arguing and debating the issues and points of the article so you resort to the lesser means of changing the subject. No one is talking about the UK leaving the EU....or are you too intellectually challenged to understand that. The fact remains not everyone in south america are the hermano cercan you think they are. They are realizing that they do not need to be afraid of the fascist nazi's trying to overtake SA. Travel out of your messy mendoza and you would know that. Now go back and suckle mommas teat, you do your best work there.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile, Peru and Uragauy should just join forces and kick the shite out of Rgenweener.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously though I agree with condorito after March I think most if not all SA will tone down support once it's been seen as a fair and democratic vote and sanctioned by the UN and the Falklands removed from the decolonization list, although thats a worthless piece of paper anyway
@11 I think it's more fundamental. Without being seen to support the referendum, hence to UN charter, they will just expose themselves to the risks of being seen as opposed to the charter itself. Asking the question, what does Latin America really stand for?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only real answer would be 'oppression', and no one wants that on that associated with their country 'brand' in 2013.
Don't knock it, guys.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These states are using their 'lawmakers' to say the things that it is impolitic for their politicians and governments to say.
It is a warning to Argentina that they cannot rely on the unquestioning support of the people of their 'partner' nations.
Well the dummy went flying after the Uruguayan lawmaker broke ranks, after this it will be the rattle following on.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We could well see some of the next generation of S American leaders re-aligning themselves on this issue, not in Argentina’s favour.
It simply does not matter what the Argies think about the referendum Anyone in Argentina with some brain capacity will go with what the Secretary General of the UN said when he was being interviewed by a reporter from the Argentine newspaper Tiempo Argentino on 12th November 2012. Ban Ki-Moon said, 'The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities SO THAT THEY CAN DECIDE ON THEIR OWN FUTURE.'
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ban Ki-Moon also confirmed that the UK is not in breach of ANY UN Resolutions over the Falklands.
This woman is far from a dummy and has the most votes for a woman nationwide.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps she is more in touch than the President who only made the comment whilst he was delayed in Ushuaia.
Did the argies threaten to force feed him with a choripan unless he signed. That would do it for me! :o)
Surely these deputies have eaten horse meat they sell you, instead of beef .. ja
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome to the thread XAV... And there was me thinking you'd given up “being an arse” for lent.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think this trickle will become a flood? It's a great way for an opposition member to get their name in the papers.
Ah the smell of Argentine bullsh!t spewed by their government is being blown away by sensible people, who recognise and support human rights.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias, still no argument? Still behaving like a frustrated teenager who thinks its 'not fair' that everyone doesn't automatically agree with everything you say?
Never mind, leave the discussion to the grown up people, and go and ulk in the corner.
@slattzz
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure you will see Mercosur countries toning it down, but the Pacific Alliance I hope so.
@Shed
I don't think the Mercosur countries care much about being labelled “oppressive”. Brazil wants changes to be made at the UN, i.e. a permanent spot on the security council for themselves. The more dysfunctional the UN, the better for those who want to change the status quo.
@19
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What argument? I support self-determination for the Falklanders.
I oppose any exchange or relations with YOU. We don't want it, we don't seek it, we don't care for it.
@21 GOOD
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just out of interest but while I understand that a country can get itself off the decolonisation list by “free association”, can the C24 block such a move if it wanted to play silly buggers? That is, who at the UN will actually get to decide whether to recognise the vote or not?
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 - Tobias
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh I'm sure you do.
Yet you always seem to try and divert threads regarding the Falklands referendum.
That's hardly supporting is it?
Actions speak louder than words Tobias.
As said on previouse blog, its a free world , and democracy at work,
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and if people freely wish to support the falklands its there free choice,
and it seems more and more people from out side the falklands, are agreeing with them.
thank god for democracy.
That I missed? All good with Lent, but I'm agnostic.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding Referendum:
They can pass the list of “observers” who send international North American governments? ----> None ..
They can pass the list of “observers” who send international South American governments? ----> None ..
They can pass the list of “Observer” unofficial international coming from North America? ----> None ..
They can pass the list of “Observer” unofficial international coming from South America? ----> A Uruguayan Cabrón
This I call a successful advocacy campaign on the continent ..
In elections for club in my neighborhood, which has 5000 members get more followers ..
“”“I oppose any exchange or relations with YOU. We don't want it, we don't seek it, we don't care for it.”“”
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you mean !I dont want it, I dont seek it”... unless you are taking on representing the whole of Argentina (again)... just remember that didnt work out too well last time. :-)
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Any genuine law-maker will support the referendum; as its lawful.
Simple as that really.
They can pass the list of “observers” who send international North American governments? ----> None ..EEERRR except Canada You are a bit dopey aren't you try and keep up eh
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Woops!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle.
@24
Feb 13th, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't participate in 90% of Falkland Islands threads. I think is pathetic that you require my silence.
@Nostrolldamus the 10th Perhaps you should do a little research before you open your big fat Argentine mouth,just like your leader a loser believe me THE GERMANS want us in The EU
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229420/Germany-tells-Britain-stay-EU-Merkel-says-Britain-happy-big-bad-world.htm
Sorry to dissapoint you l
That officer is “officially” in Canada? ---> Ja
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do I really need to “speak” out about the fact we want the UK to get the fuck out of Argentina?
Isn't our government, the people's attitude, and the posters here enough of a statement to you? lol
Huh???????????????????????????????
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After three weeks in Argentina......I was amazed at the numbers of Brits vacationing there. Why is that nostril, the RG's seem to like to pound as much as the dollars? Money whores are you? RG posters here have little to do with the reality of RG's in Argentina.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know, close embassy, sell any companies you have, that sort of stuff.
@13
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you have hit the nail on the head.
It could be seen by any intelligent person as a wake up call, but then we are not dealing with intelligent people ( I am talking Argie Trolls here )
WHy did rg's go begging to the UK for money when they stole YPF? Be consistent.....Can't want the Brits...“the fuck out of argentina” when you suck them off for investments. Money whores!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not you nosey, Xavier, little hard making out what he means. Think he trying to say the Canandians in Canada, which is not make sense.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you talking about? No one asked them to put money. They asked global investors to do so. And no one would ever accept British involvement in YPF. There would be a revolution before that was allowed to happen.
@27 - Tobias
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We want nothing to do with Argentina.
Now if you and your gangster government fecked off and left the Islanders alone to live their lives in peace and freedom, then you would never have to hear from us again.
But you won't, all you do is cry, lie, beg and make alliances with despicable countries with extremely poor human rights records.
The UK will defend the Falklands until:
-Argentina accepts that the Falkland Islands belong to no one but the Falkland Islanders.
or
-Argentina collapses under the weight of its own incompetence.
or
-Hell freezes over.
I lay odds that the second option is the most likely to happen.
You don't like it when people point out to you that Argentina isn't perfect? When they do you cry, and pout and spout rubbish such as ”but the British did (insert something that happened an extremely long time ago)“ so that makes what Argentina is currently doing okay.”
Are you going to cry, Tobias? Oh poor Tobias, those evil British posters refusing to acknowledge that you are a genius (in your own mind) and that you can never be wrong.
Tell you what, go sit in the corner and pout for a bit. That'll make you feel better.
Now back in the real world, Argentina's government is being proved a liar on numerous occasions.
It's a wonder how much longer the people of Argentina can survive this mad woman and her posse of pratts.
41 LepRECON
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice post mate.
What do you mean no one asked them for money, what was the YPF director doing in London last year? giving free Tango lessons! Where do yoy think a great percentage of worlds financial business is done? Mendoza. God sake,try living up to the intelligent image you try to paint of yourself.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby,
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the voice of Mendoza, you might be able to answer this for me:
In last week's scandal revolving around cadets chanting xenophobic songs whilst training, we heard Chilean cadets effusing:
“Argentinians I will kill! Bolivians I will execute! I will slit Peruvians' throats!”
Later appeared a video of cadets in Mendoza chanting:
“Chilenito I will drink your bolld and smell you knickers”.
... and that was the police!!!
No one likes such chanting, but at least the Chilean chant is in line with our military strategy to be able to fight a war against all three of our neighbors and win. But the vampish fetishism of the Argie chant left me a bit uneasy...next time I drive over there should I pack a few cloves of garlic and plenty of clean underwear to deter the border police sniffing around?
@41
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was some mighty self-projection.
Here I have the British crying because the way most people in the world see British actions and history is not exactly the glorious man in white horse to the rescue crap you people have been indoctrinated and dinned to believe from the womb...
All you said applies precisely to what you poor folk are doing right now on this board when I mentioned that the “Great British military triumphs” are in fact neither fully British (the few of note in alliance with 2,3, even f-ing 8 nation alliances), nor against grand enemies (most against tribes), nor entirely of your doing (Spanish Armada).
So, off you go now.
http://lp.landcorp.co.uk/argentina_sn_investargentina/?gclid=CMzTltOetLUCFabLtAodEFoAuA
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://lp.landcorp.co.uk/argentina_sn_investargentina/?gclid=CMzTltOetLUCFabLtAodEFoAuA
http://lp.landcorp.co.uk/argentina_sn_investargentina/?gclid=CMzTltOetLUCFabLtAodEFoAuA
Well done, Alcorta!!!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I usually tolerate your bouts of arrogance since we are all guilty of it and you are a conscientious poster, but today I'm not in the mood.
First of all, I have seen no such video you mention. Second, the Chilean chant is indefensible in the sense that the official status of the two countries is a peace treaty and quite friendly relations in comparison to most of history. So know there is “nothing” in line about that, but I quite frankly don't care about the matter, I believe in free speech.
Last time I checked though, it was Argentines being robbed and mistreated in Brazil and Chile this summer, not the other way around. Or what about last year when a guy died and the Chilean police did nothing to help find the body?
When it comes to argentines, your police is just as dangerous to us as ours is to you.
44 and 48
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, South American politicians going to observe the referendum.
Cracks in the unified armour?
@26
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't matter how many want to observe the REFERENDUM in the FALKLANDS at least they have been invited. It's called watching democracy working.
SELF DETERMINATION FOR THE FALKLANDERS
@49
Feb 13th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not the country under the real threat of disintegrating politically.
Argentina is not the country under the real threat of expulsion from a major political/economic continental alliance.
Nosey
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you dare try to lecture British history to Brits, your the genius on here, who claimed to be at war with us in 1826, when all the while you knew it was Brazil. You lied basically. Take your version of British historical events and shove them you know where, liars have no place in scholarly debate. They usually right Argentine history books.
@51 Um, yes it is, and yes it is.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The despotic regime you have in place will only be able to exist as long as it can keep bribing the thugs and various scummy elements under its control.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/123624/trouble-is-brewing
2. Even the IMF will face facts eventually - that Argentina is a thieving disgrace with no respect for law or integrity. It should already be expunged from the G20 and other international assemblies, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
Toby,
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't see it!!! Do you live in Mendoza? Well here it is for you:
http://www.urgente24.com/210518-en-dia-de-ejercicio-conjunto-chilenito-ten-cuidado-que-a-tu-casa-entrare-y-tu-cuello-cortare-
“but I quite frankly don't care about the matter”
You don't care that your local police force is singing about crossing the border and drinking the blood of your neighbours!!! As I said, no one like the xenophobic chants, but at least you expect it of soldiers who are trained to kill. The police on the other hand is an entirely different matter.
Which body wasn't looked for?
Not far from here, in the Elqui valley there was an Argie who disappeared a month ago when walking with an (Argie) friend of his on one of the hills in the valley. We had the army, the police and local volunteers looking for him for days.
I have never met an Argie who has a good word to say about your police force(s) and I have had to pay bribes several times whilst over there. In my entire life I have never had to pay a bribe to the Chilean police. It is hopelessly inaccurate to imply the Chilean police are a danger to Argies.
51
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This IS Argentina in South America you're talking about? Right?
BTW, I keep meaning to ask you. Last September, and about 10 names ago, you really went off the rails on one. You spouted all sorts of crap about yours and Think's presence on here only being part of a much bigger operation of global proportions. You said you'd gathered all the evidence you needed and that the guilty culprits would be brought to justice in March this year. Remember?
How's that going for you?
@51
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you not yet dropped out of the G20, if not only a matter of time
@51 really we'll see this year i THINK
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is a real shame, because trade is the best route to world peace.
England, alone and then in the UK, has found this out the hard way. The example is there and I would not wish any other country to have to learn it the hard way as England did.
@ 2 - it's not sign of disunity - it's a sign on democracy. The UK government is giving the British people the choice to stay in the EU or not as, in some respects, the EU needs to change, even German Chancellor Angela Merkel understands it needs to change. Oh and by the way... the only war we care about winning was the one in 1982 when 100's of RGs surrendered, in 3 battles unconditionally to, more often that not, only 10's of British superior forces. That's the only war that counts and that's the only war that means the UK will never let the Falklanders islanders be governed by the RGs who everyone in the world knows is the shittiest government that has existed in the 21st century.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Feb 13th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My aunt had to pay bribes twice in Chile. She goes there a lot she has friends. First time was a while ago like 20 years, she got “stopped” in the middle of Santiago at 9 at night they claimed she was walking suspiciously (she was looking at the store windows of closed stores)... we was held for 40 minutes until she just “took care of it”. She only did because 5 other carabineros were there and she overheard them make sexual jokes, chatting away in their patrol car. She got scared of the talk and the looks and just paid them off.
Second time was a few years ago, in Viña because of a bogus car parking ticket during the festival. Apperently it happens a lot during that time.
@55
I guess you ate that magic Donkey Lasagne too huh.
There are no on the spot fines by police in the UK. You get stopped in a car or on the street and asked to pay one. don't. he's either bogus or bent. Chances of getting caught are so high, he's probably bogus. Never ever, ever pay an on the spot fine and never ever try to bribe a bobby, you will get nicked!
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, Always seems to have some aunt's mother's cousins sister's husband's friend who had a problem somewhere everywhere where except of course in Argentina.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you ever think maybe they thought your Aunt was a old hooker and that is why they stopped her?
So, it seems the usual La Campora paid bollocks-merchants have tried their best to derail the comments here again.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With that in mind the question remains, if the presidential flunkies at INDEC haven't been openly fabricating inflation data and persecuting anyone who dares to speak out of turn, why is the new government price cap on commodities necessary?
And aren't you concerned that this step is almost always the last hilariously ineffective step that pushes an economy over the edge into full hyperinflation?
Also how will you square your “WE DON'T NEED THE WURLD. ARGTARDIA STRONG. ARGTARDIA SMASH!” isolationalist chestbeating with your inevitable bipolar bleating about how the world owes you a favour in your time of need after your next default and blockade from the international loans market you abuse whenever we let you near it?
Nostril - if you want nothing to do with the UK then you will have to build a big wall around your borders and close yourself off. Every time you want to make any international transaction, investment, debt swap etc. your money gets mixed up in a big pot managed my the market makers in the City of London.
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which banks aranged your debt swaps etc.?
Even your Anglophobe president has ditched Tango 1 for a UK operated aircraft!
Our influence is like horsemeat in beef. You only know we are there if you bother to look :-)
@61
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only time you would need to put your hand in your pocket would be to take out your wallet and show some sort of identity to prove who you are, if you have erred. Having said that, there is no requirement in law to carry any ID.You would still have to tell the law enforcement officer your name and address. Very easy for the police to verify your identity, seconds in fact.
@62
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the first time I have ever brought up a direct family relative in this website in over a year.
That ecoli ridden American ground meat is doing tricks with you. Or maybe is that West Nile you contracted in your backyard.
Another thing I've never done is insult another's family members, since they are not here to defend themselves. But I'm good with it because it shows the class and refinement of the average american.
Though I was thinking the same thing... everyone here is super rich, dines on 1000 steaks, go on weekend getaways to Dubai, Milan, and Paris, have masters in rocket science or derivatives, travels the world for their job, and has been to all continents and the only place they got robbed, mugged, sick, or had bad food was in Argentina...
Those are some terribly hapless unfortunates you lot... all those coincidences in one isolated website!
hahahaha, what a loser you are.
@66
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many U$D can you take on holiday? Is there an unlimited amount you can travel with?
@68
Feb 13th, 2013 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see all the climates and geographies within my country, from the world's greatest waterfalls in the middle of jungle to the world's greatest glacier (seen the news recently) in the middle of tundra.
I can see most of the cultures of the world by just doing a drive around. In one trip I went to 12 different countries (Necochea- Denmark, Tres Arroyos - Netherlands, Pigüe - France, Lincoln - Ireland, Rafaela - Northern Italy, Villa Belgrano - Germany, Alta Gracia - Spain, Bariloche - Switzerland, Gaiman - Wales, Villa Angela - Serbia, Obera - Ukraine, etc, etc, etc...
That's why the can ban all USD for travel and I can still see the world. The world's cultures, climates, and geographies are already in Argentina. I never have to leave.
A pov from a very provincial life.
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@TTT
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Those are some terribly hapless unfortunates you lot... all those coincidences in one isolated website! ”
Hmmmm, the one thing everyone has in common here is an intetest or a connection to, SURPRISE!!, South America!!!
All the articles centre around SURPRISE!!, Mercosur !!!, it's called MERCO PRESS!
And who is deliberately and PUBLICLY creating controversy to call attention to themselves?? ARGENTINA!!
Who is doing this because their economy is in the Crapper?? ARGENTINA!!
Who is facing riots by the poor?? ARGENTINA!!
Who has massive inflation, and is on the verge of Hyperinflation?? ARGENTINA??
Who has an escalating unemployment rate and and a growing crime rate?? ARGENTINA!!
Who is attacking British tourists to Argentina, and British and US Tour Operators and Cruise liners?? ARGENTINA!!
Who is affected by all this???
Chilé, Uraguay, Paraguay, UK, US, Spain, Italy, The Falklands, and the people of ARGENTINA!!!
Get it, your government is the lowest common denominator!
@68
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pobre Tipo
“”“”“”“”Do I really need to “speak” out about the fact we want the UK to get the fuck out of Argentina?
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't our government, the people's attitude, and the posters here enough of a statement to you? lol“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“
Precisely my point: you claim to speak for all Argentinians, yet of the dozen I know you represent none of their opinion.
At best then, if you are actually Argentine, you can speak for 1/13th... if that.
the idea that your radical views are universally accepted across all of Argentina is, frankly, farce.
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”“”“That's why the can ban all USD for travel and I can still see the world. The world's cultures, climates, and geographies are already in Argentina. I never have to leave my TV chair.”“””
I have fixed your sentence for you (above): It is now infinitely more accurate and apropos than originally....as I am sure many here will agree.
@Nostrolldamus, I have seen a photo of your aunt and know way would a Chilean police officer make sexual jokes about a woman with a face like a frog this woman was glorifying her sexual fantasies of being stopped by a man in uniform.
Feb 14th, 2013 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder how big liers some guys are. The only corrupt police around here is Gendarmeria argentina that even use patrol cars to commit robberies and every sort of crime. Not long ago two indecent police assaulted a woman that was asleep in her car (opened the trunk and got a laptop) all recorded and aired. Remember it before talking lies a about the only decent police in Latin america (the chilean one).
Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 068 Tito The Clown Troll
Feb 14th, 2013 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The world's cultures, climates, and geographies are already in Argentina. I never have to leave”
Firstly, how can all the worlds geographies be in Argentina? What/ so argentina is now the whole world?
secondly, how narrow minded are you? Hey what about a trip to Las Vegas? I hear that they have all the famous land marks of the world there. That way, you have the whole world in one town.....
You narrow minded clown
Tobias
Feb 14th, 2013 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say, “I can see most of the cultures of the world by just doing a drive around.”
Well I've visited China town but it doesn't mean that represents the whole culture and diversity of China, does it?
You are very narrow minded, and you are afraid to travel because of the 'big bad foreigners' that you are afraid of.
But how do any of your comments apply to this article?
A Pervuvian lawmaker who says that they support the right to self-determination and the referendum in the Falklands?
I smell a troll desperately trying to divert the thread from the fact that your government lied when it said it had 100% support from all countries in the world.
That isn't just a lie, it's a big lie, isn't it.
Why don't you comment on that, Mr 'I don't post on 90% of Falklands related threads” Nostil/Tobias/TTT.
Are you going to go away and sulk now? Perhaps come back in a few days pretending that you are from Africa, or the Far East, and claim that you speak for all the people of that region who back Argentina 100% against the 'evil' European colonialists?
That's your usual Modus Operandi isn't it?
@60
Feb 14th, 2013 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NT8
I am sorry to hear about your aunt's experiences and I have no doubt they are true. Back in the early 90s the police were going through a major re-branding and change in tactics, which over the years was very successful, going from one of the most hated institutions to one of the most loved.
On two occasion I had experiences similar to your aunt's in the early 90s. It is just the way the police were then. Admittedly I was drunk on both occasions and that was reason enough for the police to hold you in the comisaria until morning. I have never known anyone to pay to get out of the comisaria. Being objective, perhaps your aunt offered money as is the custom in Argentina.
What happened in Viña would have had nothing to do with the police. The police have nothing to do with parking tickets. Sounds like a scam targeting tourist.
The carabineros can be heavy handed and officious, but as an institution they are not corrupt. In Argentina that is just not the case. I mentioned on another post that on a recent trip to Cordoba I had to pay 3 bribes to police who stopped me. After the first incident I asked locals what the normal procedure was, they replied, just pay 5 pesos. In other words the locals know the police expect money. Ask a local here how much the police expect and the answer will be: on no account try to give a policeman money.
Did you see the video of the Mendozan police cadets?
@65 Golfcronie
Feb 14th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Giving your name and address (not for trafficoffences) used be a requirement before the law governing power of arrest was changed, under the then Sec 25 of PACE, if an officer suspected you of an offence and could not ascertain or had reason to doubt your details you could be arrested for ANY offencence. Now you can be arrested for any offence, if the officer considers it neccessary and can justify the reason for that arrest under the rules, I won't go into them, but the name and address requirement no longer exists. Basiacally now, you should be told why you are being arrested, lets say theft and, you MUST be told for the reason for depriving your liberty. Example. “ I arresting you on suspicion of theft, the reason I am arresting you is for further enquiries into the allegation/s against you.” That's it basically.
Any time you are stopped in a street it must be explained to you why you are being stopped and rules followed, even if it is to ask you something as simple as, did you witness anything. Not a witness, but canvassing you as a potential witness. You must be told the Grounds for stopping you, the officers identity and where he is stationed etc. There are a lot of rules.
You do not have to provide any details name or address in those circumstances, The officer will fill out a form, on which if he does not have your details, he will write a description of you. He will give you a copy of this form, together with a copy of your rights reagarding the stop. If for some reason he can not do that, he will tell you where you can obtain those, within one calendar year of him talking to you.
We do things a little more different here in the UK! it is not South America.
Your right, it does take seconds to verify an identity, but it might not neccessarily be yours, a photograph licence always come in handy to confirm it, but so do simple questions.
Personally I would not like to see ID cards as a requirement for UK citizens.
@78
Feb 14th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that , you are obviously in the police or practicing law.
@21 Are you not on here having “relations”?
Feb 14th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26 Your unintelligible and imbecilic comments have not been missed!
@33 The UK isn't “in” argieland. If you want to sever diplomatic relations, get your mad cow out of London and remove the rest of her crew, go ahead and do it. Won't be missed!
@40 Proof?
@45 N obody is “crying” except you. I think you miss part of the truth. “Go away.” you say. “Leave us alone.” you cry. And then the bit you never say “We can't compete.” A look through argieland's history tells a lot. And the main features? You invade. Always somewhere that you think is smaller and/or weaker. You attempt to subjugate. You murder. And, time and again, you steal. YPF is an example. You may call it “expropriation” but it's still theft. You try to undermine other countries. As you tried to do with the Uruguayan pulp mills. Accusing Uruguay of polluting the Uruguay River. Until it was found that it was argieland doing the polluting. And when has your economy ever been any good? When world circumstances were such that anyone would have made money, or when the British were effectively running it! And we wouldn't be “here” except to protect and defend our own from the likes of you. You admit that the Islands are OURS. But, time and again, the subject is dragged out to cover your incompetence. We'll be here until you are no longer a threat.
@51 There is no meaningful threat to the UK!
@68 Good for you. Now try making yourself unnoticeable. Be honest. For a change. You're just a bunch of self-important, lazy incompetents. It's always “How can we get the goodies as quickly as possible without effort or work” isn't it? Example? The Falklands War in '82. How many troops did you send to take the Islands? 66,000. How many did we send to take them back? 10,000. And combat aircraft? An estimated 160 you had. And we had 38. And who won?
@79
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pensioner.
you dont want us,
Feb 14th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but you still like to borrow money.
She is right, we all know the UN will not allow a third party to become involved in the dispute because the Tinman has said so and he wouldn't lie. No doubt as soon as he finds out the Peruvian govt intends to make a statement in support of Argentinas position he would object because he is adamant that the UN will not allow a third party to become involved. Oh wait he is adamant that a third party must not become involved unless they agree with Argentinas position.
Feb 14th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how funny, Tobi trying to play the “drawing game” between Argie and Chilean police. Think about it... you cannot seriously believe that yourself! It's not that Chilean police would be saints (as not one single country on the world can claim this), but trying to relate the horrific corruption of the argentine police vs the Chilean carabineros is seriously ridiculous.
Feb 15th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just through a look on the latest corruption index from Transparency International, look the nations arround them, says it all...
16. Belgium 7,5
17. Japan 7,4
17. UK 7,4
19. USA 7,3
20. Chile 7,2
22. France 7,1
25. Austria 6,9
25. Ireland 6,9
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94. Senegal 3,6
102. Argentina 3,5
102. Gabon 3,5
103. Tanzania 3,5
105. Gambia 3,5
105. Mali 3,5
Now got a picture which are the continental references for each case? I assume so...
84.
Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right.
What is more...the corruption index covers business and national institutions. The Carabineros are less corrupt that general business practice in Chile, so if you were to look only at police forces you would see Chile higher up than 20th place.
Just like to point out that the UK is the 4th most unequal nation in the world, so both countries have serious problems to deal with. Bit hypocritical for either side so say they are better off when we are both near the sh*tter.
Feb 15th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86 THEMan
Feb 15th, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is the 4th most unequal nation in the world, according to Danny Dorling.
86
Feb 15th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless of inequality, less corruption is a good thing.
As corruption has fallen so has the number of people in poverty.
Inequality is relative. Our society is wealthier and less corrupt.
If we are in the shitter then it is a much better shitter than we were in 20, 30 and 40 years ago.
@88 how is it a much better shitter if our economic situation for the last 5 years has been the worst since the 1930s? We've got child poverty of up to 25%, severe child poverty at around 10% and now millions are in even worse financial because of the benefit cuts while the rich get tax cuts. That to me sounds like corruption- The Tories sticking up for their own while trampling over the working class.
Feb 16th, 2013 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It occurs to me that if The Argentine claim on the Falklands was legitimate, they would not howl down opposition to their claim and barrack every South American who can see sense, as a traitor.
Feb 16th, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a clear sign that their claim is false, otherwise if they had confidence in it, they would ignore everyone who opposed it.
Pity they shield their eyes and put their fingers in their ears when they are presented with the facts of 1833, resolution 502, and the contents of UN resolutions that point to de-colonisation by independence as a favoured outcome.
@theman
Feb 18th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In post 85 I am talking about Chile. In your reply @86 you say “we are both near the sh*tter” so I assumed you were referring to the UK and Chile, hence my reply @88 I am talking about Chile.
You are right that the UK is in difficulties, but as I observed during the years I spent in the UK, the political debate takes place in a bubble, which allows you to make gross statements like:
“We've got child poverty of up to 25%, severe child poverty at around 10%”
You don't know what poverty is. This absurd introspection leads to excessive public spending intended to address non existent problems. The spending leads to the debt that is now choking your growth.
The children living in “severe child poverty” in the UK all have access to free health care, free education, libraries, sports centers, free school meals, subsidized housing and all sorts of benefits. By very definition this is not poverty. Billions, yes billions of parents around the world would want their children to live in such “poverty”.
You kind of highlight the European dilemma, the economies live in the real world, whilst public expectations live in a fantasy world. The political elite understand this, left and right - just look at France - you elect a socialist but you still get the cuts and the pain.
91 Condorito
Feb 18th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent post.
Good one, Condor.
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