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Montevideo, July 17th 2019 - 10:35 UTC
Japan's prime minister on Thursday quoted comments by former British premier Margaret Thatcher about the Falklands War with Argentina as he spoke about Tokyo's acrimonious islands’ dispute with China. Read full article
??? I don't see any correlation with the Falklands whatsoever, those islands are uninhibited, there has been a settled population of Brits in the Falklands for 180 years and 90 years of that went by without so much of a peep from Argentina.
Former Prime Minister Thatcher, recalling the Falklands War, said he tried to follow the principle that above all, international law - the fundamental rule for everyone - should prevail against the use of force, Abe said.
Contexts are different historical and social processes. The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. You know that the UK does not comply with international law. Currently in the Falklands conflict, UK betting intimidation and violence. Argentina international law and peace. The most concrete evidence are the resolutions of the UN General Assembly and its decolonization committee.
Raul, you and your friends keep posting about this mythical expulsion of people and never, ever, ever, provide proof that it happened. we can, however provide proof that it didn't. So, please link to this evidence which you have clearly seen, or never post about it again. (I presume you have seen actual evidence, otherwise you wouldn't say such things, right? You aren't that blind to follow things you have seen no evidence of...are you...)?
International law and Peace. After first trying force of arms, 1982 anybody?
Contexts are different historical and social processes. The specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow their return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.
1) Argentina didn't exist in 1833, and the borders of the former state ended at the Rio Negro, over 1000 miles from the islands, hardly violating your integrity, is it? Additionally try looking here:
Documents from the actual ship Argentina claims the people were forcibly evicted on. Recognise these? You should, because they're in Buenos Aires!!
Lastly, if the people were expelled, please explain why there are also additional, numerous documents and records showing about the people who did stay, lived, and died in the islands in the years afterwards?
You know that the UK does not comply with international law. Currently in the Falklands conflict, UK betting intimidation and violence.
What, like the travel agencies in Argentina being smashed by malvinistas? The ships being turned away from Argie ports? The blocking of air traffic to the islands? Hypocrite, much?
Argentina international law and peace. The most concrete evidence are the resolutions of the UN General Assembly and its decolonization committee.
There are NO binding UN resolutions that the UK has broken, and any decisions of the decolonisation committee are merely guides, not binding, and certainly not considered by the general assembly. Ban Ki Moon himself has stated very clearly that the UK has broken NO UN resolutions.
Kindly Search for yourself. Make you work.
I help with the following links: be honest and listen to the other bell
4 Reality Check
International law and peace. After trying the first force of arms, 1982 anyone?
Before Argetina had suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845)
The 1982 war was not supported by the people of Argentina. By 1982 the military committed genocide in their state terrorism supported by the United States and England.
As you will see in 500 years of history who is the imperialist coloniasta?.
Raul, you know that government websites with text and videos with voices are not evidence, right?
This is evidence:
Statement: Argentina claims that tens of civilians were expelled from the islands in 1833. Provide evidence this was /wasn't the case
Proof it was not: a copy of the original passenger list from the ship that left the islands with all expelled people, it clearly shows only four civilians, of which maybe 1 is actually from the river plate: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52978952@N04/5533643350/
OK? Now, Raul: your turn, provide a document, from the time, of equal value, that shows something different. Go.
Evidence? We are Malvinista!
We got blind faith! We got papal bull! We got migrating birds! We got Viveza criolla!
Truth and logic are futile!
WE DON NEED NO STEEEENKIN EVIDENCE!
You cannot apply the the modern law of territorial integrity to 1833, as international law prohibits the application of retroactive law. The statement that the UK does not comply with international law is completely false. The UK is, and has always been in compliance with international law. The only intimidation and violence has emulated from Argentina. The resolutions of the UN General Assembly and its decolonization committee are the most concrete evidence. They are not evidence in any sense of the word, they are merely advisements.
Raul, Argentina didn't exist 180 years ago. You comfort yourself with lies, we will comfort ourselves with the truth, the Falklands and infinitely superior armed forces.
1806_ The area of buenos aires was under the crown of spain, allied with napoleon. The attack on the city was against the supplying of french and spanish ships in napoleons service. To say this was wrong is to say it was ok to fund a dictator the world hated and wanted dead.
1807 - see 1806
1833 - this was not an attack at all as nobody died, and it was also the reclaiming of the falklands by the british, so hardly a war.
1845 - agreed, this was against argentina and it was imperialistic so i'll give you that...but that's still only 1 out of 4!
By the way, here's a video of the people of Argentina NOT supporting the invasion of 1982. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xqwNsmzCbM
That's film, taken at the time, by your own country. We call that evidence.
Here we go again. Distorted and revised version of history.
1806 & 1807 The British involved in athe Napoleonic war attack the Spanish Colony of BA. Argentina is yet to exist as a nation
1833. Britian expels, peacefully, an illegal garrison of the UP of TRP. Argentina is yet to exist as a nation.
1845 Anglo French blockade of the River Plate, no invasion.
Fast forward to April 1982 and here thanks to the magic of television, the world, that is the real world, see hundreds of thousands of Argentines NOT celebrating the invasion, in BA with the Junta. They see Argentine, NOT raising funds for the war effort on television shows, for an invasion they do NOT support!
As for Colonista, who exactly were the first Europeans to your shores?
Raul, you know that government websites with text and videos with voices are not evidence, right?
It is totally wrong. Because you do not want to investigate and hear other bells? Why did I stop believing I in my own country? Supporting evidence is true. Do your own research in Latin American universities and their careers Argentine history. No historian and researcher in the world can deny that Argentine, civilian and military were expelled at gunpoint in 1833. Later he escaped the Gaucho Rivero that temporarily recovered.
Also prior to the resolution 2065 of the UN General Assembly, the world body confirmed the veracity of the arguments Argentine and which was later endorsed by the committee of United Nations Decolonization and important organizations such as OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR and ultimately the ASA meeting in Africa.
As vera decolonization committee considers UN UK as colonialist. Of the 16 cases of colonialism 10 are in the UK. The facts speak for themselves.
OK? Now, Raul turn provide a document, from that moment, of equal value, which shows otherwise. Go.
Excuse me, Do not take this the wrong way but you're really funny. This is not the first league championship. I myself have seen the texts and evidence Argentinas and foreign universities (Brazil and Chile). Everyone agrees the evidence of Argentina in 1833 expulsion at gunpoint. It is a fact such as colonialism and imperialism in 500 years of English history.
9 Terence Hill
Please do not lie more. The UK threatens Argentina with nukes just because of claiming what belongs and also conducted humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. You hypocrite. Furthermore, the committee believes UN decolonization to the Falkland Islands as a colony. Of the 16 cases of colonialism in the world, 10 are for the UK they are: Anguilla, Bermuda, Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands, Monserrat Island, Pitcairn Island and St. Helena Island
'Falkland Islands: U.S. Should Support Right To Self-Determination'
The UK threatens Argentina with Nukes. Someone book this guy an appointment!
What a sensible article, the position of the US is pretty shameful when you think of the support we have given them over the past 70 years, wouldn't be too much to expect a little in return!
The UK threatens Argentina with nukes just because of
Please link one time in human history that the UK has threatened Argentina with the use of nuclear warheads.
While the man is at it. He can link a time in history when the UK has ever threatened anyone with nuclear force.
My bet is Argentina 1806. 1807 , 1833 and 1845.
Have you noticed that your government has stopped talking about civilians being expelled?
(thanks to Steve)
Why do you think that is? Shouldn't the UN be informed?
So, Raul, the question i asked was can you provide a document that shows that the people were expelled and you couldn't. It was a simple enough request, and seeing though your expulsion story is so famous in argentina, one might think documents were free and easy to access, but no....
you notice how every other country now wants to jump on the band wagon.
My, my, my............... Less than 100 years ago was it not the Japanese who were running amuck in the Pacific??
Were they not slaughtering innocent people in China??
Were they not taught that anyone who did not die in battle was dis-honourable and should be treated as the lowest of the low???
Did they not work 1,000 of POW's to death on the Burma railway??
My, my, my......how the world turns......................
Every one is being too restrained & polite in refuting your wild, untrue, ridiculous proofs.
l cannot be bothered to be polite when you will not even do any research at all & insist on parroting Argentina's lies.
So l'll come straight to the point.
What a load of horseshit.
@2 You're hilarious. I suggest that you save yourself a lot of time and effort. Log in. Type The usual in the comments box. Log off. See how much you can save!
@6 More funny words. And links! Did somebody teach you how to copy and paste? Unfortunately, your links lead to argie sites. Argie sites make my computer ill. Argie government sites are even worse. It's always important to check whether they've told the truth about the date. If this is the sort of thing you use for research, no wonder you come out with so much crap!
Let me help you. There were NO, repeat NO, British invasions of Argetina, wherever that is. In 1806 and 1807, Britain attacked the SPANISH colony of the viceroyalty of the river plate (Virreinato del Río de la Plata). Britain was at war with Spain at the time. Nothing to do with you rebel COLONISTS! In 1833, Britain legally re-established its rule over one of its territories on which you rebel COLONISTS were trespassing. You had even committed murders whilst there! And 1845? How do you invade something that you never land on? The rebel COLONY was illegally inhibiting trade with settlements further up-river.
You really should try to avoid quoting things that demonstrate your criminality.
@13 See my comments above for a start. But you're off on the UN resolutions again. All these resolutions are NON-BINDING. How many times do you have to be told this before it gets through your thick skull? And the Decolonisation Committee is an argie mouthpiece. Why do you think the UK doesn't attend? As for threatening with nukes, why not? When a bug gets particularly irritating, one swats it. Get the picture, bug?
You need to grow up. Your government of crooks lies every day! Go do your research using only non-argie sources. Don't bother us again until you've found something believable.
'Please do not lie more. The UK threatens Argentina with nukes'
If either of the above statements are true you will prove it as you bear the burden of proof. If you don't then you stand revealed as the real and only proven liar.
Doesn't really matter what the committee thinks, as it's completely ineffective. It's all rather redundant as the islanders are exercising their UN Charter rights of self-determination. Supported by Argentine tacit acceptance of the situation, in failing to legally challenge referendum they have in fact acquiesced. The UK has just accomplished a perfect legal coup de grâce.
expelled the original population and did not allow their return
Incorrect. Wrong. Innacurate. Lies.
Only the rapists murderers and mostly British sailors were kicked out. The mostly South American settlers were allowed to stay on so they were not expelled.
You cannot repeat this lie forever, these records are in Argentina's archives, all you have to do is read them.
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