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Falklands’ governor tells The Sun “Argentina keeps making stuff up”
Falkland Islands Governor Nigel Haywood accused Argentina of “making stuff up” in its relentless verbal assault on the UK and the Islands. With a referendum on whether the Islanders want to remain British less than a week away, Haywood vowed to keep “pushing back” against the “extraordinary” sabre-rattling, UK’s sensationalist tabloid The Sun published. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe problem is that if you challenge everything they say, you would be challenging from the minute you got up in the morning to the minute you got to bed. Filthy dirty Liars are best ignored.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@01 BW
Mar 04th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly - there is a ton of verbiage and none worthy of response.
Unfortunately, they will say the same lie over and over again, until it is believed by themselves and some third parties.
One needs to stop 'untruths' being accepted, out of ignorance of the real story.
LEt them continue making up such lies. Most of what they say is so obviously a lie that no one would believe Argentina today even if they told the truth.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has become a matter of the boy who cried wolf.
They lie so much and so often, that they forget which lies they have already told, and tell others that completely contradict their previous statements. They lie about the Falklands, they lie about the state of their economy, they lie about their debt restructuring, they lie about their relationship with their newest bestest friend Iran.
All I can think is that the Iranians must be laughing their arses off at the Argentine governments naivity and stupidity.
Not long now, and the world will know the minds and wishes of the Islanders.
Argentina will continue to lie, whine, cry, crawl and beg, but quite frankly their reputation (such as it was) and credibility (such as that was) has been completely destroyed by CFK and her goons.
Of course, this only helps the Islanders more. Thank you CFK for showing the world just why Argentina cannot be trusted with anything let alone with the Falklands. Thank you CFK for ensuring that the referendum will get maximum coverage world wide.
We couldn't have done it without you. :D
he is projecting what he is doing lying
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0he recoignizes there was nuclear subs in 1982. they have said it in 2003. it was the sheffield. If there was in 1982, there can be nowadays. they dont say were are the subs. there is a treaty on SA of non profileration of nuclear arms in SA.
this is SAmerica, not a NATO region.
@4 malen
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK is a signatory to any kind of treaty, it will not break it, britain does not break treaties. UK nuclear weapons do not point at Argentina, we don't need to point them at Argentina, don't worry yourself. The only worry you have is that you have a belligerent government leading you to ruin and that it could lead Britain to act to defend itself.
Governor Haywood is so right about the Argentine lying propaganda machine. The lies are so easily refuted, quite frankly it's like dealing with school children.
Next they'll be saying we brits eat whole live babies for breakfast (ok so we may have had a nibble here and there) and that we all wear overcoats made from the skins of recently deceased foreign grandmothers!
The two most important days of the Falkland Islands is almost upon us and these two days will go down in History and will once and for all tell the world and in particular Argentina that the Falkland Islanders are making their choice democratically and will be recognized in the outcome.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0This referendum is likely to set the course for every disputed colony in the world and will tell the world that people that who may have at one time been a dependant territory of another Country can become a fully independent territory but retain every right to be associated with their one time protective Country.
We are living in the 21st Century free world in the eyes of the majority but Argentina has yet to discover this free world and that they can no longer be allowed to be a bully.
@4;
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nuclear powered subs, are in breach of nothing. Subs carrying 'Nuclear weapons' (trident class for example) would be.
Hector Timmerman was lying to the world when he said that the UK had a 'Trident' boat in the South Atlantic.
The submarines there at the moment are 'Nuclear powered' only.
P.S. the Sheffield was a Type 42 Destroyer not a Sub.
I am unable to agree with those who say 'just ignore them' or similar in regard to Argentina's Fictitious claims of sovereignty. This has been a major contributing factor encouraging Argentina's verbal aggression to date. Yes, it is wearing and tedious responding to the same lies over and over again with the same truths- it is hard work explaining the legal complexities at times. But the alternative is to have silence taken as tacit agreement that Argentina actually has a legitimate claim. It also makes it easy for those countries siding with Argentina for purely political or economic reasons, even though they know it's claims are utterly without foundation, to take this position because there is no contrary arguement. Argentina knows it has lost the self determination argument, and we have now seen the emergence of the position that the self determination of the islanders has no effect on who actually legally owns them. I am delighted to see the UK and FI governments, somewhat belatedly, waking up to the need to properly address this side of the dispute rather than relying soley on the self determination principle to win the arguement, which it won't.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0#4
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0By your posting you have just proved what Mr.Haywood is saying.
A load of malevolent crap from Argentina and their trolls.
5 Arg didnt use nuclear weapons in 1982. like this brit says and recognizes.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0we didnt break any exclusion zone. like with the Belgrano.
we didnt heart the civilians. like someones in Lybia, Irak, Afghanistán, etc.
we have codes.
You are a really militar fortress, used to train troops, and represents a threaten to all the region.
6 The referendum is a farce, like asking fans of Boca what club do they prefer, after prohibiting arg from settling for over 180 years.
@4 - malen
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The South Atlantic doesn't belong to South America, they are international waters.
Therefore anyone can put their nuclear armed submarines there if they wish.
But food for thought. I the UK truly wanted to target Argentina, we wouldn't have to be parked off shore to do it. We can do it from the comfort of our own home.
And don't forget that Brazil is getting nuclear powered submarines. If its okay for them, then surely it is okay for the UK to have our nuclear powered subs in international waters.
All your crying and moaning is because you know that Argentina is an impotent has-been, actually worse, Argentina is an impotent could've been, but never was.
Brazil and Chile are the real powers in South America, and that really sticks in your craw, doesn't it? They are leaving Argentina behind in the dust, while they become more successful powers on the international stage.
11 what happens leproso.......
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0No one supports you, leproso.
South Atlantic has its treaties, Zoplaca it is calleds, and all the countries sign a declaration of free nuclear armed zone.
Have you actually read about the history of the Falkand's war?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Britain did not use any nuclear weapons.
2) The Belgrano was part of a pincer movement against the British fleet and was dealt with as such. Even your Admiral has admitted as such and said that in the UK's position, he would have done the same.
3) You did not kill Falkland citizens as such but you terrorized them and kept them in harm's way. It was pure luck and fear of retribution that saved their lives. Remember, your military had a reputation for murdering their own people.
The only threat to anyone from the UK forces in the Falklands is to Argentina if they try to invade the islands again. Remember, it was your defence minister that said that it was only the presence of British troops which kept Argentina from taking the islands by force.
The referendum is just an expression of the islanders on how they want to be regarded. It is nothing to do with ARGENTINA as they have no legal claim to the islands, despite all the propaganda pumped into their population, as schoolchildren, instilling them with lies about their supposed territorial rights, of which they have NONE.
the reerendum is made for britain, so britishs vote to remain british.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arg has never prohibit the entrance of islanders in our contient, to settle here free. All those you have expelled for thinking different are living here.
@13 Clyde15,
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, Clyde. l couldn't have put it any clearer myself.
You can explain all these truths over & over to malen, but it doesn't sink into her thick head.
She doesn't believe anything we say & to her Argentina is always right.
So l don't bother to argue with the silly article any more.
These malvinistas will turn into bitter old men & women & will never see their dreams become reality.
For they are wrong.
#14
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders have a free vote. They can say what they want and BRITAIN will accept the result. What islanders have been expelled, numbers and names In a democratic society I would expect some dissidents to disagree with the majority. It would be up to them to stay and accept the rule of the majority or move elsewhere.
Argentina would accept islanders to settle in Argentina as they would use this as “proof” that they really are one country and it would be just the same as moving from Buenos Aires to Mendoza - an internal relocation of one of its citizens.
And this is where you are confused Malen, now you're making up things because you have zero facts to back them up with.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's always been the policy of countries with nuclear submarines to not reveal their positions, to do so would be foolish in the extreme since other hostile nations could try to target the submarines.
Don't make accusations you can't possibly back up because at best people think you're silly at worst they think you're a liar.
The article is actually quite humorous and is obviously true in that the Argentine government have made up many events and history that quite clearly has never happened. All you do in when you make things up is weaken your position because nobody believes you from that point forwards.
@17 Xcet
Mar 04th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True enough, no-one would say where their SSBNs are, notably currently with the exception of HMS Vengeance which started its pre-planned refit in HMNB Devonport last March.
Malen, are you saying that Argentina has never had problems with Islanders settling in South America? If that is the case why can't the Islanders continue to settle on islands they have been on for the last 180 years? If that is the case why doesn't Argentina believe we have human rights?
Mar 04th, 2013 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You aren't very bright are you Malen?
@malen And what will you call Chileans who live on the Islands when they vote Yes to stay as a BOT???
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HAHAHA This guy speaking about lies and moral cleanliness!!! Cynical and shameless!!!
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Says who? You? Just because you don't like what he's saying? Tough! Of course there were nuclear subs in '82. All British subs are nuclear-powered. So what? Your precious treaty doesn't exclude nuclear propulsion. HMS Sheffield was a Type 42 destroyer. Where our subs are is our business. Look up the area covered by the treaty. http://www.opanal.org/opanal/Tlatelolco/P-Tlatelolco-i.htm Can't do anything about it? Tough!
Mar 04th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Shall we take your statements one by one? You didn't have any. Lie. Lie. Lie. The referendum is something you can do nothing about. Not the event, not the results and not where it will leave you!
@12 What's “zoplaca”? Some word you just made up?
@14 So?
Argentinians lie and they lie a lot.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The whole civilised world tries to tell CFK she has screwed everything up,
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But truthfully its like talking to a eroded dead corps,
They just wont listen, and just lay there ignoring you.
The sooner she goes the better and safer the south Atlantic and the Falklands will be.
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@22 Conqueror
Mar 04th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When malen refers to Sheffield, this was one of the Type 42s that carried an NDB in 1982. It was cross-decked to the RFAs before the fighting started.
Great Britain did not break the Treaty of Tlatelolco in 1982 though, as Argentina did not sign the treaty until 1994. Consequently, Britain would still have been in compliance with the Treaty, if we had used an MC600 to level Buenos Aires.
It is quite ridiculous of Argentina to lie over their claims that Britain has brought nuclear weapons into the nuclear free zone. The only nuclear weapons we have at present are the Trident warheads & Argentina does not know where our SSBNs.
By so called reputable people we so often are misled
And one lie leads to another lie as we often have heard said
And to cover up for one lie another lie you must tell
'Tis a thorny path to heaven but an easy path to hell.
One lie leads to another lie that always is the case
Your first lie for deception and your second to save face
And when you are faced with the truth the truth you will deny
And to lie to you comes easy so you tell another lie.
One lie leads to another lie if what you say is untrue
Then another lie you must tell and your lies won't stop at two
But the truth of guilt will free you though the truth can be hard to speak
And to lie is always easy and 'tis easy to be weak.
Look at ex President Bill Clinton to millions of people he lied
When his affair with Monica Lewinsky in public he denied
Had he told the truth in the first place of guilt he would have set himself free
But he took for him the easy option and he lied quite easily.
One lie leads to another lie and to more lies that will lead
And to cover for the lies you've already told a good memory you need
And though the truth at times is hard to speak the truth will serve you best
For the truth will always ring true in a lie detector test.
Francis Duggan
@malen
Mar 04th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The S. Atlantic is British territory, always has been, and what the British do in British territory is no business of anyone in S. America, least of all the Criollo Conquistadors still occupying Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego.
We used to have such nice neighbours down there till you lot arrived, you should go back where you came from, oh but they don’t want you either.
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Mar 04th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Basic Elements of Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone Treaties
Duration:
The treaties are to remain in force indefinitely. Yet, each treaty includes a withdrawal option for states-parties. With the exception of the Treaty of Tlatelolco, which simply requires three months'
Conditions:
None of the treaties can be subjected to conditions by its non-nuclear-weapon states-parties.
Territory Covered:
Each zone applies to the entire territories of all of its states-parties. Territory is understood to include all land holdings, internal waters, territorial seas, and archipelagic waters. The Latin American treaty also extends hundreds of kilometers from the states-parties' territories into the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans,
but the nuclear-weapon states, including the USA and UK France ,and others . citing their freedom at sea, assert that this does not apply to their ships and aircraft that might be carrying nuclear weapons
http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nwfz
To Malen, c/o argie CFKS
I don't think the brits understand that their armed force stink.
Mar 04th, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has the ability to build nuclear weapons on short notice and they also have the rocket technology to deliver them to any place on earth.
So I don't think they very worried about UK's second hand nuclear missiles given by the americans.
Sorry but the UK will loose either way.
28 olibeira
Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dream on , indoctrinated and deluded loser.
@28 oily beer
Mar 05th, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you “Pirat - Hunter” aka ALEX VARGAS ???
“Nuclear weapons - 100% made in Argentina”??
////////////jajajajajajaja.
:-D
28 olibeira (#)..... Argentina could not build an Ark.....its submarines wont sink and its warships sink in their own port.Furthermore.....your defence minister admited you only have enough ammunition for a 2 hour battle.You and your countrymen have your feet firmly planted in the air !
Mar 05th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Troy Tempest,
Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think you might be right.
olibeira sounds a lot like Alex Vargas.
Wonder why the Canadians haven't deported him yet?
@28
Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really are being very silly, because just as 'the Bitch' lied when claiming to know that Britain had sent nuclear weapons into the treaty zone, YOU are lying in suggesting that Argentina has the capability to produce nuclear weapons.
If Argentina had that capability, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay or all three would have invaded immediately to stop it. The fact that you even suggest it is to infer that Argentina has broken the treaty.
Whilst the Bitch may be getting closer to the Iranian regime in the hope that they will share their nuclear weapons programme, the Iranians won't have it for much longer. They (and all other countries who aspire to own nuclear weapons) will be taught a salutary lesson very soon which leaves them glowing in the dark.
#28
Mar 05th, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another defence expert from ( Argentina ? ). Are you an advisor for Jane's Military Intelligence with your extensive knowledge of the Argentine military capability ? If so, they have not published it in any of their assessments of the Argentine forces.
Are you sure that this startling revelation did not hit you on the road to Damascus or in a hallucinatory dream ?
If British troops “stink” then you have no problem in invading the Falklands. You could arrive in pleasure boats and the British troops will surrender to you immediately. What is holding you back ?
I await your reply with interest.
He's an Argentine, so is perfectly placed to know what a crap army is when he sees one, may even have served in it, but doubt it.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0If one just ignores him,
Mar 05th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He will go and play on the motorway.
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The reality is simple, the UK doesn't have the defensive capabilities to hold Malvinas.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can spin it all the way you want but the fact is that you guys are screwed.
With 2 or 3 SRBM Argentina can destroy most of UK's military infrastructure in Malvinas.
The naval force would be easily hunted.
I guess you can't do much about us.
Go play wars with Ireland.
And the mysterious empire grows another inch.
Mar 05th, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#37
Mar 05th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you did take this action in some future time then you have just declared war on the UK. As a retaliatory measure
with a few Poseidon multiple warhead ballistic missiles, we could destroy every major city in Argentina. They could be launched in the N.Atlantic from our subs. and you would have no defence against them. You obviously have no concept of what the results of a war would be for your country.
Hopefully, your politicians and people have more sense than you.
Where are your non-existant SRBM's and your powerful, mythical navy ?
You are obviously a deluded 14 year old whose parents need to give him a swift kick in the backside and get back to doing his school homework.
We should get our own back by telling people lies about Argentina
Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- we could tell people they are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy
- we could pretend their President has built up huge amounts of personal wealth with no explanation where it came from
- we could say that indigenous people in their country have been almost wiped out and the survivors have their legal rights denied
- we can pretend there are questions over the mental health of their President
- we could say they have runaway inflation but are trying to cover it up
- we could pretend the Presidents son runs a private army of thugs
- we can pretend the country is so corrupt that the government doesn't function properly
- we can pretend that poor immigrants are brutally treated
- we can pretend there are slums around the capital
- we can pretend the power and transport infrastructure are failing
- we can say their greatest footballer is a fat, drug riddled cheat
- we could say their claim the the “Malvinas” is a tissue of lies
- we could say the President is addicted to plastic surgery
If you think about it we can spread some really bad “lies” about Argentina and in the end people will understand why the Islanders don't want to be Argentine.
37 olibeira
Mar 05th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by the time you wake up to reality,
it will all be over for CFK .
#40
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We should get our own back by telling people lies about Argentina”
But these are not lies !
Another arrow to Argentina's bow.
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Faulklands wolf came from Argentina during the last Ice Age.At the time, it is estimated, that there was only 20-30 km between the two of them. This makes the Faulklands a coastal Island of Argentina.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/03/06/3708755.htm?site=science&topic=latest
when the world begun
Mar 06th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it was all one land,
so perhaps the rest of the world belongs to agentine also..
Malvinas Islands Governor Nigel Haywood:
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.macocaya.es/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/i/pirata_fsc222.jpg
@44 Quite so
Mar 06th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 It really is nonsensical to suggest that because there was a land bridge 60,000 years ago, that this boosts the Argentine claim.
A wolf cannot claim sovereignty.
You might also consider that Britain was connected to Europe by land during the last Ice Age ( the Würm Ice age 70,000–10,000 years ago) and many animals, including wolves & hominids travelled freely about the continent.
Does this mean that Britain owns all of Europe because we were connected to them - No.
All countries were connected at one time, but there was no man to lay claim to the sovereignty.
Argentina (as a country) only existed under the current constitution from 1853. So it can only legitimately lay claim to territory it legally owned at that time, which does not include the Falkland Islands.
The United Provinces made a claim on the Islands which was contested and later signed a treaty establishing that they no longer had any dispute with Great Britain. Therefore their claim ended.
Spain also had a claim to the Islands, but they ended their claim in 1863, when they acknowledged that Great Britain had sovereignty.
France also has a claim to the Islands, but conditionally ceded their sovereignty rights to Spain in 1767. They did not contest Spain's breach of the cession in 1811 even though they could have and have now lost the right to do so by extinctive prescription, just as Argentina lost their right by failing to take the matter to the ICJ on numerous occasions.
@43
Mar 06th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Another arrow to Argentina's bow.
The Faulklands wolf came from Argentina during the last Ice Age.At the time, it is estimated, that there was only 20-30 km between the two of them. This makes the Faulklands a coastal Island of Argentina”.
It's not an arrow, it's a Boomerang. Falkland Islanders worked Patagonia before the Argentinians reached it so the previous existence of a land bridge means patagonia should be incorporated into the Falkland Islands.
By your logic if any bird migrates to Argentina that makes Argentina British, though who would want to possess a gutted house?
Or as all the geology on the Falkland Islands originates from South Africa, perhaps they are going to have a pop too?
There's a report on the Falkland Islands on Newsnight on BBC2 at 22:30 tonight. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21673504
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As the article on the BBC News website shows, the 'Brainwashing' is still present and some of them know that it's been happening. The vast majority accept the Argentine lies unquestionably and therefore do n0t even consider that they've been deceived by their own government, school-teachers or families.
I expect that there will be a number of news articles in advance of the Referendum.
It will also be on the Newsnight website later
Mar 06th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mk25
It shows you, just how easy it is to indoctrinate people..
Mar 06th, 2013 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite so.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It was interesting to note what the young men had to say though. One considered that there had been some brainwashing, whilst the other said that he hadn't been, but both agreed that the Falkland Islands would not be Argentine in their lifetime.
The man who said that there had been 'brainwashing' did accept that the Islanders had rights and that instead of bullying them, Argentina should be trying to attract them by offering them local things. Things that they presume the Islanders cannot get in the UK?!
I was a bit worried when he said that one of things they would offer would be education though - After all, if Argentina is incapable of teaching the true history of the Falkland Islands, then their educational system has no value for the Islanders.
@51 Prof Jorge Castro wasn't fooled - he was pretty much on the money.
Mar 07th, 2013 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the kids were realistic in that they realised there was more chance of finding Elvis and Glen Miller doing a gig on the Moon than FI ever being Argentine
I think I speak for most British people these days in saying I think its the SUn that keeps making stuff up! Hope the Islanders on here consider this article that I found today as they head to the polls... http://socialistunity.com/falkland-islanders-should-vote-no-in-referendum-on-british-sovreignty/
Mar 10th, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@53BK
Mar 10th, 2013 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I think I speak for most British people these days in saying... ”
Ha ha ha ha, LOL!!!
Oh, come on, you troll, BK!!! “I speak for most BRITISH people ... ”
LOL!!!
You kill me!!
The only thing you say that is true is that you are a Kirchnerist.
...and your opinion does not matter, and you are not speaking for the best interests of the British or the Falklsnders.
In your desperation, your shallow deception has completely fallen away now :-D
Get lost, Troll.
#53
Mar 10th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I notice that you post was made at 01:23 GMT - that would make it 22:38 Buenos Aires time. Hmmm. looks rather suspicious for a “British” poster in the UK.
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