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Head of Argentine Lower House insists Falklands’ referendum has no international value
The head of Argentina’s Lower House, Julián Domínguez, assured on Sunday that the referendum being carried out in the Falklands/Malvinas Islands is “another move by the English empire to continue justifying the illegal usurpation of land”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWah wah wah, blow it out ur arse!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0BBBBRRRRRRPPPP!!!!!!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The International community will be the better judges of that...
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would any more Argentinians like to line up to express their extreme levels of dismay at a group expressing themselves democratically, without being paid to do so.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0All this outpouring of hatred at a referendum and the rejection of people's democratic wishes makes me fear for the people of Argentina who clearly don't have a 'government of the people for the people' representing their wishes.
I wonder if he knews that “ALL” of us (save for the indigenous) in the North and south america are “transplanted”, or is he just a latin dickhead?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know they have problems when they describe the UK as an 'English empire'. First of all its the UK or Great Britain not England and secondly the UK hasn't had an empire for a very long time.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still they can insist all day long, a bit like their endless list of demands that not only the UK ignores but also the rest of the world.
Argentina; the joke of international diplomacy.
The issue here is clearly that having these 'Latin' genetics and 'Latin' super-national culture seems to lead to a overwhelming desire to befuddle relatively clear issues through blatant hypocrisy and lies, in order to steal someone else's possessions.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could see how living with this could get tiresome.
oh grow up.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0there simply are no bilateral talks. never will be. and they know it. you can't help but suspect they don't actually want talks, just to keep banging on about it.
“this is the opinion of a transplanted population living in the land of a sovereign state that is Argentina”,
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Britain were there before Argentina even existed as a nation, 2. The argument was resolved in 1982 when Britian kicked RG Forces off the islands, 3. The way they like to present this point by saying 'transplanted population', if you go by their version, most of the world is a transplanted population and Argentina is a rather recent example, so why focus on that as Falkland Islanders decided to live on th islands of their own free will, mostly British subjects and were not 'transplanted', which is a rather weak argument and easy to blow apart. Bleat bleat and bleat some more.
The only two parties that have any vested interest in the Falkland Islands, and therefore any discussions regarding their future are the Falkland Islands Government, and the government of the 'administrating' power - the UK.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, crawl back under your rock. You are not wanted, and certainly not needed.
By the way if the referendum is so irrelevant, why has the Argentine government put so much time and effort into futile attempts to discredit it?
Argentine government = pathetic, irrelevant, impotent clowns.
Someone really needs to tell the UN that they seemed to have officially recognised Argenine sovereignty over the Islands.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Last time I checked they recognised UK sovereignty and that this was disputed by Argentina.
And this guy is a parliamentarian? Talk about setting the bar low on qualifications.
8 MrFlagpole (#)
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:54 am
“... you can't help but suspect they don't actually want talks, just to keep banging on about it.”
At last, a British contributer has understood the reason for the peronist inspired “Malvinas myth”, of course no populist government wants a solution to this non-existent “problem”, if for some strange reason the Islanders decided to become Argentines, the whole bloody lot of our “politicians” would have a mass heart attack. What the hell would they trot out to blow smoke in our eyes if they didn't have the “Malvinas myth”???????
@11 Check again. They recognise UK administrative responsibility and a dispute over sovereignty.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's a funny boy, isn't he? Or is that “thick”? Didn't realise that a local politician could speak on behalf of the UN. I thought the UN Secretary General did that! Unfortunately (for Dominguez), the effect of a referendum is determined by the legal jurisdiction. The main legal jurisdiction belongs to the Falkland Islands Government. A “secondary” jurisdiction can be exercised by the United Kingdom. Argieland has NO jurisdiction and neither does the UN. I wonder why he talks about “bilateral talks about the Islands' sovereignty” when there are none. The UK won't be holding any such talks with argies. I strongly doubt that the Falkland Islanders would. So who is he going to have “bilateral” talks with? His arse? He's still stupid enough to refer to UN resolutions that have no bearing. And he doesn't understand that the UN can't tell the Falkland Islands what to do. I wonder if dummy Dominguez actually realises what the Falkland Islands can do. It could declare independence. Britain would accept that. It could ask Britain for a defence treaty. Britain would agree. And it could decline to join the UN. Leaving itself free to do anything it wanted, protected by Britain and not answerable in any way to the UN. A bastion of total freedom! And this dummy thinks he has anything relevant to say?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 There you are, Simon. What's your reaction to that poll that says only 15% of the population of argieland thinks that the Falklanders should have the right to determine their future? Isn't that a lot less than you thought?
@13 DoD
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Check again, the UN recognises De Facto British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands and ALWAYS have.
De Facto is Latin for 'in fact'. So the UN, in fact, recognises British Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. As does the European Union.
So you are talking bollocks now, aren't you?
(15) Artemis Fowl
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a Turnip...
1) The UN recognizes the UK administrative responsibility over the Falklands/Malvinas.....
2) The US recognizes the ”De Facto UK administration of the Falklands/Malvinas.....
3) A “DE FACTO” government is a government wherein all the attributes of sovereignty have, by usurpation, been transferred from those who had been legally invested with them to others, who, sustained by a power above the forms of law, claim to act and do really act in their stead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_facto#Politics
I repeat....................... You are a Turnip.
Wait... did someone just quote wikipedia claiming its 13-year old basement dweller written gems as fact rather than just posting it for cursory enjoyment???
Mar 11th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm pretty sure some maleducated tit just did that.
16 Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“by usurpation, been transferred from those who had been legally invested with them to others, who, sustained by a power above the forms of law”
I'm going to hold your feet to the fire over the above assertion, remember you bear the burden of proof.
No he didn't really.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He posted a link that explains to your mate what “de facto” means. I think we all can agree on link being valid, unless you have another definition of “de facto”.
@Think, For someone who can not live with in his own motherland but feels the need to flee to another country for want of a better life should you really be calling others names?? Go back to Argentina because I am more than sure you would not be so vocal in person WOULD YOU???
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 - Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0De Facto is what it says: Latin for 'in fact'.
So, you turnip it is you who are wrong. By the way, anyone can add to wikipaedia, it isn't considered a valid source of information.
de facto adj. Latin for “in fact.” Often used in place of “actual” to show that the court will treat as a fact authority being exercised or an entity acting as if it had authority, even though the legal requirements have not been met.
That means that the UN recognises British 'actual' sovereignty of the Falklands, but acknowledges that there is a dispute.
So that would mean that YOU are the turnip, would it not?
I do think it is nice to see you backing your alter-ego DoD up like this, to try and show people that you actually have some friends.
However, once the Falklanders have decided their status in line with the UN charter AND with UN resolution 1514, then the de facto sovereignty bit can be dropped in favour of total sovereignty.
Whichever way you look at it, Argentina's erroneous sovereignty claims are dead and buried with a 'do not resuscitate' sign on them.
I have no doubt that Argentina will continue to cry, and crawl (I find it amusing when your government crawls) and begs to such stalwart countries as Iran, but the rest of the world will move on.
Argentina of course, will soon be disappearing up it's own arsehole thanks to the brilliant fiscal policies of the Argentine President.
Venezuela will soon be calling in all those loans it gave Argentina, and will expect FULL payment of them AND the huge INTEREST rates Chavez put on them (a real good friend he was).
Stink... emerged from our stone have we? You remind me of someone... Mandelson? .... Perhaps hissing Sid? Goebels, related possibly? Anyway something nasty to avoid stepping on.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stink profile:
Racist... Definately
Hypocrite... Undoubtably
Coward... Probably
Uninformed... Proves it in every post
Lyer.... Well, that's evident again and again
Definately could not feel comfortable in a British place. But may feel at home in a coward neutral country that doesn't stand for anything.
Carry on slithering, it must all be very painful for you. Argentina is close to the end (again)
(22) CaptainSilver
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Definately:
Idiot-speak for “definitely”..... One of the most common moronic misspellings found on the internet.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=definately
Stink...
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pedant - definately... :-))))
What an unsavoury concoction! No wonder its unwelcome everywhere it slithers...
According to La Nacion , even the Argentine residents on the Islands voted to stay under British control .
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says it all , really .
@23 - Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah you have no arugment to you turn to being pedantic.
(26) Artemis Fowl
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arugment:
Idiot-speak for “Argument”..... The most common moronic misspellings found on the internet.
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arugment
Ah! Think = Stink!
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What this person do here? I see on anoter place. Sound like lavatory flush
@27 - Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A typo. But it still proves that you have no argument so you are resorting to picking people up on spelling and typo's.
Really pathetic.
Why don't you tell us more about your good friend George Galloway. The man who supports violence and rape against women.
Do you support violence and rape against women? Is that why George Galloway is your friend?
DoD posts.. Think appears “as if by magic” to argue his corner.
Mar 11th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic.bunch.of.trolls.
@16 But then you are murderers, genocides, rapists, thieves, liars, cheats, fraudsters and the second biggest pile of shite in the world. Push on and you can beat North Korea into first place. Just remember that the “bigger” you think you are, the “bigger” target you present. How do you feel about being ash?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Here I am. 8,000 miles away. I can kill you in less than an hour. I can smell your shit-stink from here. Is it running down your legs? Have you set your watch? Tick-tock-tick-tock-tick-tock. Getting closer. Have we fired? Wait and see, slug. But it could happen any day. Every day you should be grateful. “Will Britain allow me to live one more day?” But then the day will come when the answer is “No.!” But we may only tell you afterwards. Who wants or needs an argie anyway? Don't we squash vermin?
18 Terence Hill Re: 16 Think
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, again in response to your original assertion, you are looking for an adequate response or your post is untrue.
Conqueror
Mar 11th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously, you don't crush vermin. You are the living proof of that.
We a slap down to both DoD and Think! All over my little post?
Mar 11th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I must make sure there are no spilling ,I mean spelling mistakes, on, I mean in, my post. Otherwise the whole subject will be ignored in a vain attempt to hide embarrassing earlier posts.
I stand by my initial post.
lets face it,
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina , CFK , and her inmortle bloggers are just childishly upset,
that the falklands chose to be british, rather that argentina,
and there only answer to this great event,
is to cry and mutter hatred.
democracy
one day Argenina will know and taste what it is truly like,
untill then,
they will just have to defend the untruths.
hey the trolls have bought out the George Galloway card, man these trolls are good. may I predict the Princes Kate, followed by Prince Harry naked in Vegas cards to follow. How can we engage in conversation with these highly educated people, I was totally wrong I thought they lived in slums possibly at home with mommy, and spent a lot of time on the Internet
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But then Again
Mar 11th, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0even George Galloway
did not throw nuns out of helicopters did he..
@37
Mar 11th, 2013 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was the Junta that was, doesn't count. 1982 invasion of the FALKLANDS, that was the Junta that was, doesn't count.
mm ok.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm pretty sure the junta was speeding in my car on February 13th so I shouldn't need to pay that speeding fine.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hereby draw a line between me and my past and nothing that happened before counts or is my fault.
@40. A defense only a hoon or La Campora could love. It all makes sense now.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Head of Argentine Lower House advertises that he has zero international relevance.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so he is a nothing then.
Mar 12th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Shit-faced Shitforbrains Think
Mar 12th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At it again with your selective quotes, eh?
How about the rest of the definition? In politics, a de facto leader of a country or region is one who has assumed authority, regardless of whether by lawful, constitutional, or legitimate means; very frequently, the term is reserved for those whose power is THOUGHT BY SOME FACTION to be held by unlawful, unconstitutional, or otherwise illegitimate means, often because it had deposed a previous leader or undermined the rule of a current one. De facto leaders sometimes do not hold a constitutional office and may exercise power informally.
In other words, the use of the world term de facto, as used by the US government, in no way questions the legitimacy of anything .. it simply reinforces the fact that it respects the state of affairs as they are and makes no judgement of legitimacy .. and it most certainly does not make any statement in support of Argentina's utterly bizarre and baseless claims. In fact, their statemanets are quite explicit: “We recognize the de facto U.K. administration of the islands, but we take no position on sovereignty claims”, so not a single shred of support for Argentina, nor in “Our position on the Falklands has not changed. The United States recognizes de facto U.K. administration of the islands but takes no position on the question of parties’ sovereignty claims thereto. We support co-operation between U.K. and Argentina on practical matters”.
I repeat ....................... you are a Turnip and could argue your way out of a paper bag.
PS: It is dangerous territory to lecture anyone on the meaning of de facto when arguing Argentina's case, because Argentina is one of the few country's with case law that legitimises the actions of your type of de facto governments in what is known as the 'de facto government doctrine.
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