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Falklands: UK recalls that Vatican policy is they have no role to play in the dispute
The United Kingdom played down the request made by Argentine President Cristina Fernández to Pope Francis to intervene in the Falklands/Malvinas Islands sovereignty dispute and recalled the recent referendum with an overwhelming support from Islanders to remain a British overseas territory. Read full article
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Mar 19th, 2013 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor bugger ... brainwashed from birth with both the catholic mumbo jumbo and the malvinas lie... never had a chance...
The United Kingdom played down the request?
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21835363
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21835363
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21835363
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21835363
Guess what most Argentines are discussing after her meeting with the Pope...... Her dress sense LOL
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0A confession by, relay testing! says a principle of law .. The British Foreign Office said the issue is a matter Malvinas “bilateral”, ie between UK and Argentina .. The islanders have no right to speak! Less voting ..
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0(2) Marcos Alejandro
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot this one ;-)
Falklanders' warning to Francis
Don’t Pope your nose in
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4842556/falkland-islanders-warn-pope-francis-to-stay-out-of-argentina-dispute.html#ixzz2NxHJJzjR
:-)
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 The newspapers can print what they like - at the moment - but yes, the government of the United Kingdom played down the request. They were too busy rolling around laughing their arses off at the sight of TMBOBA grovelling at the feet of a man she supposedly hates - and who hates her in return.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 It isn't only her dress sense... she looks rough as old boots with that droopy face and clown eyes :-}
Last pope who took on a Queen called Elizaberth lost rather badly.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Xavierv
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you tried reading the article?
The FO said that the Vatican stated that the dispute was between 2 sovereign nations. The Falklands are not a sovereign nation but a self-governing overseas territory of Britain. That doesn't automatically translate into the Vatican saying that the Falkland Islanders shouldn't have a say in their own future, you just hope it does.
However, on the other hand, the UK hasn't put much stock in what the Vatican has said for the last 500 years.
What a shame the Italian pensioners didn't embarrass the cow on her way back to the airport.... mind you it was probably hard to pick what commuter bus she was on ....
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos and Xav - such a shame neither of you can actually READ - but then does anyone know any fanatical warped and twisted Argentine nutter who actually is capable of reading rather than inventing their own version ?
Mar 19th, 2013 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lest face it - she and twitman appear to be very worried by the results of democracy in the Islands.
Argentina are at almost crisis point and it is only a matter of time before the people again rise up against CFK. That is why she is using the Falklands issue because once again these undereducated idiots believe that diverting their internal problems from the rising masses will give them breating space.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did they not learn anything from 1982.
CFK is one extremely fanatical women almost on a par with Hitler. Fails me why so many would even look up to her after all she's no oil painting and her interlect well what can you say..
Kirchner when kissing the Pope giggles like a stupid child and says“I have never been kissed by the Pope before”
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0This woman is a national disgrace in both behavior and dress sense,the skin and the face just never look clean, she reminds me of an old scrubber from the back streets of B.A. trying to be something she could never be no matter how much money you steal from your country you can not buy grace and charm.
how much money you steal from your country you can not buy grace and charm.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or as my old Grandad said, YOU CANT POLISH A TURD!!!!
So another dastardly plot failed then.... who next can CFK whore her principals out to in further desperation to achieve a slice of positive press before she is only afterwards remembered for destroying her nation?
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if anybody got the sack for not telling her that Britain isnt a Catholic nation, maybe it was DoDgyThink offering up the advice as “they” (lol) are about as naive and ill-informed as she is.
“Oh, yes” said DodgyThink “ I forgot that not every nation is Catholic!”
I also love the way it makes the trolley-dolly Castro look a total ass for her comments last week also!
In fact, in a rather remarkable week & month for Argentine PR disasters, its only Timmerman who hasnt made a complete public tool of himself... whodathunkiteh?
Next stop for CFK & her “Dont let the people know about the Economy” tour : David Icke.
@Think Take a look how an Argentine describes your dear lady president he seems to question if she was a prostitute or an alian in the past life.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc-Pn4OCl6E
Frank, Just because a head of state made an impertinent request of Pope Francis is no justification for anti-Catholic bashing. The history of the Vatican has been one of impartiality regarding this issue. In addition, few know better how to deal with “los Ks” that Pope Francis. Ignorance is not charming, interesting or funny.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Michael May In the current climate I think Frank was spot on-who on earth can take the Catholic church serious? you should think twice when your next sat in church listening to your local Catholic priest telling you whats right and ask yourself I wonder what he will be up to tonight-sort your catholic house out and we will start to take you serious.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I’m not religious but every time I read a newspaper there’s a story about a naughty priest. I think’s the new pope will be more concerned with this and not the Argentina’s Falkland antics. Dressing like she’s a chief mourner isn’t going to do her any favours either!
Mar 19th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Frankdrebin, She's dressed like a BLACK WIDOW since Nazi Nestor died I think she styles herself on a modern day Queen Victoria,without the style ofcourse.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0She only does it for dramatics, a black armband would suffice. Walking around like a half chewed liquorice allsort isn’t a good look lol
Mar 19th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Andy65 - First, I do not need you or anyone else to lecture me on theology. Whether or not I am a believer or practice any organized religion, is not your concern.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frankdrebin - every time you read a newspaper???? Yet another brilliant comment.
I encourage that the anti-Catholic bashing on this forum and blog cease, otherwise it will loose credibility just as you both and Frank have. This forum should be used to discuss issues in Latin America, South Atlantic etc and not irrelevant and ignorant comments on religion.
@ 22 I’m not Catholic bashing mate, just telling the truth.....Chill,
Mar 19th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Frankie
We are sending baroness warsi, our minister for faith, to meet the pope.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she's a Muslim.
Puts a new slant on “what the actress said to the bishop” should now read “What the whore president said to the Pope”
Mar 19th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 In a civilised country, the people still like to know what the barbarians are up to. We British are like that. Always curious. Always trying to understand the “minds” of the thugs that populate some parts of our planet. We watch their frenzies and tantrums with our usual good humour. One of the funniest “activities” is flag-burning. There are certain instances where our flag is important. Such as leading the way into battle. One is reminded of the “totem poles” of the American Indians. Similar artefacts in different places. All endowed with mystic significance. And for many, their flags are the same. But we British are different. Our flag is not so important as Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth. And I have always wondered about the intelligence level of people that go out and buy a flag. And then burn their own property! Definitely retarded.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 No. No marks for comprehension. The Foreign Office spoke about how the Vatican viewed the matter. Not how Britain views the matter. And Britain doesn't refer to a make-believe place.
@17 Does that mean you're a Catholic? Have you the time to research the list of horrors your “church” has perpetrated on the world? It's pursuit of power and wealth? You may be a “good” Catholic, but some minor “penance” doesn't put everything right. Even if it makes you feel better.
@22 Not British then. And just to put you straight, this forum can be used to discuss anything we want to discuss. You should look at the Regions and Topics that come up here. Who are you to dictate what we talk about?
'Pope will remain neutral on Falklands, says Baroness Warsi - The Pope will remain neutral on the row between Britain and Argentina over the Falkland Islands, a Cabinet minister said today...'
Mar 19th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9940118/Pope-will-remain-neutral-on-Falklands-says-Baroness-Warsi.html
'Argentina needs practical actions after referendum thrashing'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9940118/Pope-will-remain-neutral-on-Falklands-says-Baroness-Warsi.html
'British newspapers called “shameless” to the President - Britain rejects the request of Cristina to the Pope by Malvinas: the Pontiff “has a role to play” in a matter of a bilateral nature...'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/9940118/Pope-will-remain-neutral-on-Falklands-says-Baroness-Warsi.html
politicising the pope and getting nothing for it is a spectacularly stupid move.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Michael May Well if you do not like the truth then stay away from these forums,it's disgusting that Catholic priest, Bishops and Cardinals preach one thing and go away and do the opposite.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Michael May also:
Mar 19th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do not presume to tell people what they can, and cannot discuss in open forum. Regardless of your own opinion, we all have our own opinions, we are entited to them.
The new Pope is Argentinian, has been approached by the argentine president to intervine on the Falklands, in favor of his country, - I think the catholic religion does indeed have a place in this FI related forum.
United Kingdom notes that the Vatican's policy is to have no role in the conflict
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why not? It is a contribution to peace and international dialogue. Who is sending UK to the Vatican what to do? It is a typical British colonialist and imperialist reaction 21st century. UK owner of the world thinks. She is the cause of aggression and genocide by the world. Just look at preemptive strikes and humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya Iraq, Afghanistan, Mali and intervening in Syria civil war.
The British domestic public opinion and world public opinion attitude welcomes Argentina dialog.
The British statement refusing to talk is against international law and UN resolutions committee and UN decolonization.
The clearest evidence that world public opinion can no longer be deceived is that the referendum on the islands, and is suspected to be fraudulent, intimidating voters opposed (voice vote), is completely useless to resolve the conflict as is sovereignty. No self-determination. the referendum was not endorsed or authorized by the United Nations. Besides multilateral organizations like the UN, OAS, CELAC, UNASUR, MERCOSUR and equivalents Africa and Asia support the Argentine claim and reject the referendum.
Further evidence that Argentina seeks dialogue and peace under international law and the resolutions of the UN General Assembly (2065) and the committee of United Nations decolonization.
World public opinion welcomes this proposal, because unfortunately UK remains committed to the power of weapons, violence and colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century.
Welcome then this contribution to peace and dialogue.
Raul, - Never in a thousand years mate. Why waste your breath (so to speak)
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A number of FACTS are wrong in your rant. In fact there are so many FACTS that are wrong in your rant that it should be dismissed as lies.
1) Firstly, it is Argentinas leader “in the Vatican” trying to tell the Vatican what to do. this is TYPICAL OF ARGENTINA COLONIAL AMBITIONS.
2) you are not interested in “PEACE AND DIALOGUE” it was offered to you one month ago and you refused it. You are interested in COLONIALISM, stealing land from the inhabitants.
3) I agree, that Britain provides forces to support UN peacekeeping missions in the territories listed. Argentina is happy to watch genocide in other countries, because it is too weak and feeble to stop it. it was of course British troops that helped get rid of the genocidal Junta from Argentina...
4) All international views dismiss your claims about intimidation of voters, it is a LIE.
5) A bunch of Latinos and 3rd world dictactorships “support” Argentinas claim...so what...a whole bunch of countries supported Hitler..didnt make him right did it?
6) The UN secretary general has explicitly told you that the resolutions you quote are no longer relevant. Sorry.
7) World public opinion supports a peaceful outcome. YOU do not. As shown in 1982 any hope of military success and youd attempt to thieve the islands again, you own defence minister said so.
once you understand the following three aspects you will be much happier
1) The islands belong to the inhabitants and they choose their affinity and sovereignty.
2) Argentina is a shithole of a corrupt country that the world has pity and disgust for in equal measure.
3) Argentina will NEVER EVEr have sovereignty of any kind over any part of the islands.
22 Michael May (#)
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 19th, 2013 - 12:12 pm
As a practising, if not very good, Catholic, and an Argentine, I must thank you for coming out against “Catholic bashing”, but I must also insist that your intervention is somewhat unnecessary, as I, personally, don't feel I'm being bashed, the bashing seems to be directed at Pope Francis rather than at Cotholics in general. And the former Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, is one of the few people I know who is totally capable of defending himself against all comers.
As to his intervention in the “Malvinas dispute”, at the most he might ask that both nations sit down together to talk, but he certainly will not do more than that. His priorities are to do with a vast clean-up of the Church and the Vatican government, the Curia.
@Raul, You keep talking about UN resolutions so can you please tell me why did Argentina disobey the most important of all resolutions being 502 in April 1982 which resulted in 100s of lost life-please do not use the JUNTA excuse because I am sure you were out waving your flags like the millions of other Argentines
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I AWAIT YOUR ANSWER.
Argentina is anything but a shit-hole, its possibly one of the most beautiful lands in the world and many areas of its ecology are unique.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its just a shame that many of the implanted colonialists are memetically infected with Peronism which is nothing other than a form of populism that is guaranteed to ruin the “country” over and over and over again.
Personally i think that if they gave the land back to the indigenous peoples they could do a lot better.
Fat chance of that happening though... too busy planting huge soy plantations that are killing the locals: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2013/03/201331313434142322.html
@Anbar Weren't they all slautered?? and as far as saying the land is occupied by INPLANTED people try telling these Argentine Air Heads that
Mar 19th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Raul,
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Someone has to get involved to further the cause of freedom and democracy because you lot are just a load of pussies, don't blame the British. Never mind, the junta will be back before long.
This year I hope to go to a town in Sussex where they burn effigies of the Pope as a result of the catholic plot for regime change in Westminster of 1605 and this year it will be even more appropriate.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 andy65
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will only get told it was nothing to do with Argentina - it was the junta that ignored the resolution,
Who the hell does this Michael May think he is telling people not to say bad things about the catholic church? Is he living in the real world?
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did he not see in the news to two weeks ago the most senior Scottish catholic in the UK who has for the past 5 years been saying the nastiest offensive things about gay men and gay marriage was actually the quite happily shagging men himself on the quiet.
Thats why people are sick of your disgusting offensive hypocritical church and the fact the coward disappeared in shame.
Dont come on here telling people what they can and cant say when they are telling the truth, if you dont like the truth mr, and want to close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears, dont come on forums like this.
With respect to this ridiculous pope and what that plastic faced hag wants him to do re the Falklands - it wont happen, like most catholics, he will feather his own nest and look the other way when there are diffiuclt matters to address.
Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him, he knew what to do with catholic priests!
@Britworker, And can you immagine how many less cases of AIDS there would be if it was not for The Catholic church
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'AFIP considers Malvinas abroad - Flights and consumption card Islands have 20 percent surcharge.'
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lavoz.com.ar/noticias/politica/afip-considera-malvinas-como-extranjero
'Oliveri: Malvinas request 'relevant' issue of CFK-Pope Francis meeting'
http://www.lavoz.com.ar/noticias/politica/afip-considera-malvinas-como-extranjero
'Deputies ratified the Argentine claim to legitimate sovereignty of Falkland - Bertero, Benas, White and others repudiated this new attempt of the United Kingdom'
http://www.lavoz.com.ar/noticias/politica/afip-considera-malvinas-como-extranjero
@42
Mar 19th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't follow that, AIDS is what they call the disease now when the person who has it is close to death, people live with HIV for long and healthy lives now with medication, generally as long as anyone else, and many people who have caught it are heterosexual.
I dont see the connection?
My apologies I should have used the words HIV. The catholic church dislike of birth control so the use of condoms not being used
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 Andy65
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most important of all is the 1965 resolution 2065 of the UN. United Kingdom has never complied with this resolution. Because of this failure is worth the genocidal military junta to invade the islands in 1982 without the support of the people of Argentina. UK also does not comply with Resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49). After the war 1982 (37/9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39/6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43 / 25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute. No self-determination.
Remember that Argentina suffered four British invasions (1806-1807-1833-1845). But it is useless to talk to you. You keep attacking and insulting to all those who think differently from you. Essential in a democracy. Opting for peace and understanding violence, colonialism and imperialism English.
For you peace and dialogue, are concepts that you do not want to understand. Everyone hopes that the United Kingdom.
Learn the Pope Francisco.
Do not bother to answer. I expect nothing from you.
@46
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wait a minute, let me get my violin out. Ok, now please continue.
@46
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here are some pics of the Argentine people not supporting the war in 1982.
http://images.google.com/search?hl=en&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&q=plaza+de+mayo+1982&oq=plaza+de+mayo+1982&gs_l=img.3...4289.11321.0.12574.18.15.0.3.0.0.348.2812.0j11j3j1.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.6.img._BWb-JmH1aE&biw=1024&bih=672&sei=jp9IUea_I5LT4QTHwYC4DQ
Please can you explain how the Secretary General of the UN says that Britain is not breaking any relevant UN resolutions and you think that they are?
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you smarter than him
have you got a better grasp of UN rules
Are you the proprietor of the UN guidelines
Or are you making shit up on a Internet bulletin board and looking stupid in the process?
You seem to think that 2065 suggests Argentina should get sovereignty, it does NO SUCH thing. In fact it suggests quite the opposite. It suggests the solution should be in line with the UN charter and in the interests of the islanders.
UN charter:
All people's have a right to self-determination
Interests f the islanders:
A country that supports their human rights to self determination, defends them against their enemies and gives them full right to develop their own resources...or a country that wants to deny their existence and steal from them....
It's a toughie Raul.
I love it. Raul, apologist for “the genocidal military Junta”, blames not the genocidal military junta but the **UK** for the invasion because the Islanders made it very clear to the UK that they didn't want the UK to negotiate them into the hands of, well... a genocidal military junta and the UK dared to listen to them. And might I add, that there were scores of Argentines who wished they too had an option to reject Raul's Junta -- but if the Falklanders, who lived miles away from the grip of the Junta (until 1982 that is) had no right to reject the Junta with “no right to self-determination” (yet another of your lies, BTW), the people who where thrown out of airplanes in Argentina, itself, certainty had no such right.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are an irredeemable piece of work, aren't you Raul? The bent moral compasses of the Malvanitas never ceases to amaze and disgust me -- or are the broader implications of what you say simply blinded out by your myopic lust to stand on someone else's neck for you to see that if the Junta had no right to oppress ~Argentines,~ they had no right to share that “love of country” with others.
As for recognizing a “dispute,” (sadly) I do this in the “real world” (not the farce that is international politics) more than I'd like to admit. I recognize that there are people who want other people's offices (though the current occupants have had that space for years and are using them effectively), they want other people's personnel (but they have better deals with others and REALLY don't want to work with the people who covet their talent), they want other people's budgets (because they have squandered their own through mismanagement), and they never understand the word “NO!” and won't shut up with their unreasonable demands. I recognize them because I can't fire them -- yet. The difference between these maladjusted gits and maladjusted AR is that once they DO cross that red line, I can get them fired. Maladjusted AR, not so much it seems.
46 Raul:
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'...the genocidal military junta to invade the islands in 1982 without the support of the people of Argentina.'
PSML
And I am a 20metre tall talking pink rabbit....Please remember where you posting, we are all fully aware of the support of the Argentine peope for the invasion.
1807? etc... FFS are you some sort of broken android.
You want peace? Trying to annex Islands hundreds of miles away against the wishes of almost the entire population (if not all) goes against that statement.
48 HansNiesund
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These sick. You're full of hatred and bitterness. Everyone knows that these photos are not representative of the Argentine people. Very pathetic and pitiful of you.
49 Monkeymagic
Please can you explain how the UN Secretary General says that Britain is not in violation of UN resolutions and think they are?
The eradication of colonialism, according to the principles of the Charter and the relevant resolutions of the UN, is our common task, “said Ban Ki-moon
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/01/ban-ki-moon-calls-for-a-more-inclusive-dialogue-on-decolonization
You are too arrogant. Be more humble. Read the UN resolutions committee and UN decolonization.
50 GFace
Why do you lie so much? Always in this forum repudiate the military junta for its genocide the people of Argentina. We suffered 30,000 missing.
Néstor and Cristina Kirchner did justice sending to jail the genocidal military.
”Six Nobel Peace Prize require the United Kingdom to resume negotiations over sovereignty
Read the following link.
'
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/01/ban-ki-moon-calls-for-a-more-inclusive-dialogue-on-decolonization
51 screenname
Remember that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civilian and military) and not allow its return, in violation of the territorial integrity of Argentina.
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Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is most pleasing is to read readers comments in Clarín and La Nación criticising the cynical presence of La Kretina in Rome for the official installation of the former Cardinal Archbishop of Buenos Aires as Pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church. It is quite clear that the majority of Argentines are not happy with her performance.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore, they are very critical of the large number of official attendees -some 140 persons - all of whom charged their expenses to official funds. This in spite of the Pontiff's requests that Argentines should not travel to Rome but to donate the equivalent funds to charities for the poor.
Not a very popular public relations exercise by la Kretina, Timermann et al!
Raul
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Final chance:
1)Irradiation of colonialism would not be inventing a new colony of Islas Malvinas with the population governed against their will.
2) no civilian population was ever expelled, if you don't believe me ask Think, he can show you it in your own National Archives. The militia that was expelled had been there 2 MONTHs and had already mutineed and murdered their captain and raped his wife. Seven of the 59 (listed in your National archive) were executed in Argentina because of the mutiny.
You are too dishonest, be more truthful. read the UN charter, read the results of the referendum, read 2065 and consider what self determination and the interests of the islanders might be. Consider what the results of sovereignty negotiations should be....I.e.Argentina growing up and leaving Patagonia and returning it to the indigenous,
@52
Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You REALLY don't get it do you, Raul.
You can't have the Junta and a just invasion as you implied in @50. The Junta had no right to throw people out of airplanes. Doing so negated their right to rule Argentina. Only a dyed in the wool fascist would explicitly say that they had such a right. And following that if they didn't have the right to do it in Argentina they had no right under any circumstances to expand that system to a new group of people who explicitly rejected the thought of them being handed over to them.
Now tell me Raul, what does that say about YOU since you recognized the Junta's “right” to invade the Falklands in post @46. And this “right” to send over your Dirty War, YOUR problem, was actively celebrated (and BTW, it is you who are the liar, not us) the day of the invasion by rank-n-file Argentines, the photos don't lie. Worse still, this “right” continues to be celebrated by the Kirchner government while “rejecting” the Junta and the fact that they blew any chance of getting on the Islanders' good side in perpetuity without genuine remorse for your country's war crimes. You celebrated it with a COIN.
You can no more have a legitimate invasion of the Islands in 82 AND reject your country's Junta any more than Germans can honestly support annexation of Poland and Czechoslovakia BUT reject the Nazis.
If you can't recognize this, then I think it's obvious that I am talking to a died in the wool fascist in denial. And his name is Raul.
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Mar 19th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@52
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course not all of those pics are of thousands upon thousands of Argentinians celebrating the outbreak of war.
Some of them are of mothers protesting their niños desaparecidos.
@52 Raul
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know as well as we do that British history in the S Atlantic and indeed Antarctic, goes back to long before 1833.
Sorry but the fact is you arrived there long after it was all established British territory, you know it, we know it, and the world is learning it.
“Involvement of all concerned: the Special Committee, the administering Powers and the Non-Self-Governing Territories”, is what Mr Moon said.
No mention of any fourth parties like Argentina.
You should read what Ban-Ki Moon says about this issue, completely contradicts everything you have to say.
dyed in the wool... (sheesh).
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58. Quite true. But the number of people celebrating the forced annexation the Islanders were celebrating the creation of more weeping mothers from the forcibly annexed territory. That's something that seems to be totally lost on apologists like Raul.
Well here's a quote from a friend of mine on Facebook “Malvinas is a strictly political issue of our fucking president. Our country is a mess and she wants to hide the fact that this issue does not make sense. We are making the world embarrass her fault. Besides being verbose, insane and corrupt.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He goes on to say ”the islands did not know anyone until you start talking about that war. Now, as the image of our president is declining nonsense looking to add more followers. These people are ruling us, we are transformed into Cuba, we can not buy dollars, they take money we collect a normal salary, live in a nasty inflation and we have many drug killings every day. This is the government of CFK, created and maintained that charges people money without working. IS A DISASTER! The war was very cruel, killed many young guys who did not know or use a knife and sent him to hunger and pain there. Pure responsibility of our governments. But I, like many Argentines, we have no quarrel with you, our problem remains the same Argentines who ruled us and we still rule” Take note TROLLS this is from an 18 years old that ACTUALLY lives in ARGENTINA not CANADA or EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
“Please can you explain how the UN Secretary General says that Britain is not in violation of UN resolutions and think they are?”
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has been pointed out to you on very many occasions , Raul. You just choose to ignore the fact. YOU yourself even posted on the thread so don't act like you have no idea about it.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
“I don’t think Security Council members are violating relevant UN resolutions. The impression is that people who are living under certain conditions should have access to certain level of capacities so that they can decide on their own future. And that is the main criteria of the main UN bodies.”
“the UN has been working strongly from its very beginning to help non autonomous territories to achieve independence”
“I sincerely hope that as we move along the XXI century, all the people in the world can enjoy independence and the freedoms of those structures”
@ Raul
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please do not tell me not to answer you especially your lies it will not work my friend. Thank god there are enough people here to challenge your lies and stupid propoganda installed into you from an early age,you are so stupid you now argue at photographic proof you are indeed a sad individual
There are lies, there are damned lies, and then there's the stuff Raul says.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ou are so stupid you now argue at photographic proof you are indeed a sad individual”
Mar 19th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or even video.....
http://youtu.be/_xqwNsmzCbM
The most he could ever do,
Mar 19th, 2013 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is call for a holy war..lol.
but today,
just who if any would rally to the cause,
names anybody, ??
Raul Perhaps you could tell us all how you or indeed Argentines would have been towards the Junta if Argentina would have been successful in holding on to The falklands, would you have been calling for The Islands to be handed back to the rightful owners The Falkland Islanders, once or shall we say if the Junta had fallen or does your distance from The Junta only be because they lost the war
Mar 19th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67
Mar 19th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is interesting that Argentine were able to overthrow the Junta after the war was lost, but not before or during.
This idea that the Junta was against the will of the people is horseshit...they loved it, nationalism, racism, violence, crime, weasely spite against your neighbour....and then pure innocence “it wasn't me” after the event...or in a single word ARGENTINIANS.
It's what they are, a backward, cowardly, deceitful, corrupt, dishonest rabble. Who hide behind demagogues and religion to try and disguise their natural tendency for crime.
You see it with Raul.
“we got a UN resolution passed that said that both parties should discuss sovereignty in line with the UN charter and the interests of the islanders”
These discussions were had, but what Argentina wanted (wants) is neither in line with the UN charter nor in the interests of the islanders....BUT because that leads to the only logical outcome (self-determination)...he thinks it is Britains fault the Junta invaded.
They are the wife beater who blames the wife for provocation, the thief who blames the victim for lack of security, the rapist who blames the girl for the clothes she wears, the mugger who blames the victim for wearing an expensive watch.....the murderer who blames his upbringing, anything but take responsibility for their own failings.....
I know there are some wonderful people in Argentina, they must be heartbroken to see their country raped by CFK, and her supporters like Raul.
Raul- among your many fantasies is the one that Britain ignored UN Gen Assembly NON_BINDING Resolution 2065.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple fact Raul is that talks -including Sovereignty - started about 1970 - and the last round was held in early March 1982 - less than ONE MONTH before your Govt lost its marbles and Invaded with Brute Force - with full intentions of killing all the resident British Forces in their beds - by a night attack with Phosphourous Grenades on their barracks.
Luckily they were out on guard and not in there.
So please answer the question-
Who broke and ignored UN Requests in 1982?
Give you a clue it was NOT Britain.
Also a Year ago a formal Invitiatiopn to have talks was sent to your current Govt by the elected Govt of the Islands - it has never been relpied to by your Govt.
And just a month ago in public in London your Foreign Minister refused to sit down and talk to elected Islands Govt Representatives.
So far, jus a week after the referendum we already have politicians from Chile- Uruguay-Brazil and Mexico stating that your Govt is making a complete ARSE of itself in its attitude and actions over the Islands and the dispute.
@Monkeymagic, you make the point so well but where Raul ,Think Dover are concerned I could not give a rats knackers about The Junta story ,at the end of the day they were Argentine and there fantasy and dreams should have ended when they were forcebly removed in 1982
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Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Insulza skeptical that Pope mediate Falklands - I am in favour of this dialogue, which is the only possibility that there are, but I don't know if is an issue, said Insulza. he Secretary General of the Organization of American States, the Chilean José Miguel Insulza, was skeptical that the Pope can mediate by the Falkland Islands between Britain and Argentina as President Cristina Fernández requested it is...'
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elheraldo.hn/Secciones-Principales/Mundo/Insulza-esceptico-de-que-Papa-medie-por-Malvinas
'Global Village - The first mistake was to focus on the appointment of Jorge Bergoglio from the logic of domestic politics, shrinking and flattening the look at levels as laughable as pathetic. The second would be to ignore that dimension, and pretend that the transformation of the former archbishop of Buenos Aires in the Pope Francisco only concerns the spiritual plane or a harmless side beatific international concert...'
http://www.elheraldo.hn/Secciones-Principales/Mundo/Insulza-esceptico-de-que-Papa-medie-por-Malvinas
'The projects presented Senator Malvinas Pallares - Senator José Luis Pallares presented three projects reaffirming Argentina's sovereignty over Falklands and Antarctica and repudiating “British maneuvers to sustain colonialist usurpation of territories that legitimately belong to us....”
http://www.elheraldo.hn/Secciones-Principales/Mundo/Insulza-esceptico-de-que-Papa-medie-por-Malvinas
'Former soldiers camping out in Plaza de Mayo marching to demand recognition - Recruits former soldiers camped for five years in the Plaza de Mayo tomorrow will march through the City of Buenos Aires to demand the State to resolve the situation and formally recognized as veterans of the Falklands War...'
http://www.elheraldo.hn/Secciones-Principales/Mundo/Insulza-esceptico-de-que-Papa-medie-por-Malvinas
The RC church is a Criminal Organization.
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What else can I say ...........
@52
Mar 19th, 2013 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Remember that the specificity of the Malvinas is that the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population (civilian and military) and not allow its return, in violation of the territorial integrity of Argentina.”
1/- There is no Malvinas, unless you succeed in invading and occupying the Falklands again.
If you capture it you can rename the Falklands-but that will be against UN regulations.
I'm not putting my money on your lot succeeding. You can,( if you fancy losing it).
2/-The civilian population in 1833 was not expelled and your numerically superior (to the British forces)military did not resist because most of the naval section was made up of British born mercenaries who refused to fight their own countrymen (the sailors from the United Provinces did not have to guts to go so your leader Pinedo used Brits, bit of a cock up there eh chey?).
Suck on that.
3/- Wrong again, Argentina did not exist in 1833, so its territorial integrity could not be violated. Even if had existed as a country, its borders were 1000 miles away from the Falkland Islands, ie a long way off.
To break territorial integrity Argentina would have had to have possession of Patagonia, but as it did not exist in 1833 that's imposssible.
You also seem to forget Britain did not claim or occupy the Islands first in 1833-they were claimed in 1690 and settled in 1765.
If Argentina has the right to claim the Falklands from 1833 (most of the settlers in the 1820's were from Europe and not South America, including several Brits (inconvinient that isn't it?) Vernet's preferred personel), then the Uk has the right to pursue it's claim from 1690 and more importantly the settlement in 1765.
If the UK cannot claim from 1765 because they suspended occupation for a few years then it follows by that reasoning the fact that Argentina (formed in 1853) has only been on the Falklands for 3 months in 1982, since 1853, cannot claim after non occupation either.
Rgs are stuffed. Shit scared after the referendum. Pope Belgrano no help. Tango 1 in danger of being impounded. Big trouble with IMF. Big trouble with 8.3 pesos to a $. Old Junta about to re-emerge. Rising crime, falling employment, dangerous streets. Crap future. The Falklands would have to be barmy to volunteer to be part of the dump that is Rgland.
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Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@77 Sussie
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0A basement? Get your facts right if you are going to pretend you are someone else.
31 Raul
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said Raul!
@77sussie
Mar 20th, 2013 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0what a stupid impersonation of Isolde, Sussie.
sorry, BORING and stupid.
yawn, bye...
CFK
Mar 20th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then it seems is finished, all washed up,
No friends
No mates
No comrades
No allies,
No holy back up
No military,
No money,
No islands
And we could go on all night.
Resign before its to late..
#31
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Normally I just ignore your postings but when #79 praised you I thought I would have a look .
Full of lies and half truths as usual. e.g.
“Just look at preemptive strikes and humanitarian bombing”
Correct, we have bombed govt. military targets to prevent a slaughter of the civilian populations. Humanitarian means to help the civil population.
“bombing Mali and intervening in Syria”
Please post details of ANY airstrikes by UK forces in Mali....I don't think you will find any. The French have but of course you have to blame the UK for EVERYTHING...it is Argentinian Holy Writ. Our “interference” in Syria is trying to prevent a dictator from murdering the civilian population by getting world support against a ruthless murderer. We have no troops or aircraft involved and have not supplied any weapons to the rebel forces.
You are rather good at making up unfounded stories but you have nothing of value to say except blind prejudice.
“The British domestic public opinion and world public opinion attitude welcomes Argentina dialog.”
What exactly brings you to that conclusion.
I think I have a better idea of UK opinion than you... our opinion is nearer “get stuffed”
So you are just posting the same old drivel that you spout interminably
“3/- Wrong again, Argentina did not exist in 1833, so its territorial integrity could not be violated.”
Mar 20th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pete. Even if Argentina was a country in 1833 territorial integrity was not a bloody law untill the mid 1900's
I have never heard of anything so bloody stupid as to saying we broke a law a good hundred years before it even existed.
@83
Mar 20th, 2013 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually well pointed out. I keep forgetting that UN principles only count from 1945 onwards, otherwise the territorial integrity argument could go back to cavemen.
I am quite bemused bt the Argentine's assertion that Argentina means anything from the BA government to the Provinces of the River Plate, when it was formed in 1853 and not before.
@ 3
Mar 20th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or HIS dress.
ab21
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0go back to sleep
snorrrrrrrre
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Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you perhaps.
Mar 20th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands as a british entity pre-dates Argentina by 50 years, following british formalised claim in 1765. The un-interrupted admin of the islands since 1833 is a longer period of 'ownership' that american ssovereignty of Texas. Can you imagine the Texans agreeing a return to mexican sovereignty. The american-mexican business is not a true match for argentine-british business, since britain only acquired the islands from the Penguins... and I don't mean Burgess Meredith and Danny de-Vito!
Mar 21st, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no valid claim,
Mar 21st, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0never did , never have , never will do.
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Mar 22nd, 2013 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@91
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sussie-dummy
dummy=blow up doll.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cfk wants david cameron to trim her bush
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#94
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that is not true. argentine girls use laser to get rid of the unwanted pubic hair.
The true is that UK PM David Camoron needs an extension to fuck
Da England Kueen asshole!
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuujajaja
You are right Chris.
Mar 22nd, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Camoron penis is very short like the rest of all british men.
@ 95 ChrisReynolds
Mar 23rd, 2013 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Da England Kueen” - You have been watching too much Blackadder!!
And how do you know what “Argentine girls do”, I very much doubt that girls of any nationality let you anywhere near them.
@96sussie
You must try and get over this fixation with the Anglo penis, we are not going to let you anywhere near one. You will just have too make do with what you have got available.
Stiff upper lip old girl, what!!
I see he intelligentsia are out in force today!
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Mar 24th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#99
Mar 26th, 2013 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pugol is a bloody rubbish english penis!
that UK PM David Camoron is a WIMP!
Mar 27th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, CAMORON IS A WIMP!
Mar 27th, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, they/he/she/it are certainly are out in force. If there was any sign of a brain or basic language skills then it may be worth a cursory glance. Imagine the thought that must go into thinking up FOUR different dago nom de plumes and posting such original decisive comments worthy of a backward 12 year old.
Mar 27th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please give us more of your enlightened thoughts.
Actually WIMP in English is an acronym for wonderfully, incisive, marvellous person.
Yours faithfully, a secret admirer.
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