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Iron Lady will receive ceremonial funeral with military honours at St Paul’s Cathedral
Prime Minister David Cameron’s office announced that Lady Thatcher who died on Monday will receive a Ceremonial funeral with military honours at St Paul’s Cathedral. No date has been given and further details will be released over the next few days. However on her family’s wishes it will not be a full state funeral. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesShe deserves a state funeral, however, full military honours seems more fitting for the lady. Rest in peace Maggie.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was very sorry to hear of her death, she did a marvellous job for Britain and from her ‘peers’ at the time the ONLY person who could have done it.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very downhearted at present.
She was the right person in the right place at the right time, I doubt many of her predecessors would have had the courage and determination she had in 1982. Military honours for her are appropriate, she would have liked that.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RIP Maggie.
Pathetic and sad.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Certainly, history is remembered for his support of racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 20th century English. Also supported Galtieri before 1982 on the application of the doctrine of national security and state terrorism and the result of the 30,000 missing. Along with Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher always bet coups and never to democracy in Latin America.
Besides all remember the genocide committed by the cruiser General Belgrano. It was a war crime.
Nothing did for world peace. Unlike the sharpened the detriment of humanity. favoring the U.S. arms industry, applying adjustment measures for the benefit of corporations, to the detriment of their own people, using the Falklands conflict as a screen like the genocidal military Argentinos.
She opted for genocide. As Galtieri. May God have mercy on the soul of Margaret Thatcher for his crimes.
It was a shame for the people of United Kingdom and humanity.
You attacked she fought back! Some crime!!!
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Besides all remember the genocide committed by the cruiser General Belgrano. It was a war crime.
No it wasnt, even the Capt of the Belgrano said it wasnt, what was a fucking crime was your invasion
That was seven years ago. Capt Bonzo, in an interview published (in Spanish) in the Argentinian newspaper Clarin today, says he does not believe, however, that it was a
war crime.
“It was an act of war. The acts of those who are at war, like the submarine's attack, are not a crime ... The crime is the war. We were on the front line and suffered the consequences. On April 30, we were authorised to open fire, and if the submarine had surfaced in front of me I would have opened fire with all our 15 guns until it sank.”
@4: his? Who is he?
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Raul
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What racism? She was anti-colonialist. I mean she certainly put an end to Argentinas colonial imperialist ambitions, didn't she?
You should be thanking her for helping to bring down that nasty Junta (that you didn't support - honest!)
You also don't know the meaning of genocide. However, the Junta were going to commit genocide against the people of the Falklands by murdering them all (I mean once you've murdered 30,000 people what's a few thousand more?).
Your arguments, like your sovereignty claims ate based on outright lies, misrepresentation and wishful thinking.
But keep postin this drivel. It shows you up for the ignoramus that you truly are.
As for Maggie. You'll be sorely missed. A true leader, willing to do what is right and not take the easy or 'populist' way out.
4 Raul
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and your ilk are nothing if deluded hypocrites.
AR attacked the Falklands (there are STILL no Malvinas you twat) and threatened innocent islanders with death and then crapped all over the place AND THEN we threw your arses OFF the island.
AND GUESS WHAT you lot NEVER supported the Junta; apart from the millions on video waving flags etc.
I tell you what; if you asked TMBOA who she would want to be as a world leader she would say Baroness Thatcher.
Get used to it you loser, you have had 31 years so far and what have you to show for it: a LOSERS medal. Pathetic.
Pity, died unpunished.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1983, Professor of Geography, Diana Gould, who was questioning in a BBC program, became stranded on a cross with the then Minister for this topic:
“He died unpunished”
In this regard, Mario Volpe, head of the Center for Veterans Falkland Islands (Cecim) said in a conversation with AFP that Margaret Thatcher, who died today at age 87, “died unpunished, without being judged.”
“He died with impunity, without being judged, it will not be remembered as someone who has contributed nothing to the peace,” said Volpe, 53, and found that the former British prime minister had the opportunity to stop the war of Malvinas, but that the decision to sink the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano intensified the war.
“Always remember that decision to sink the cruise because having the opportunity to have stopped the war, he never did, but the intensified”, said the former soldier, who was wounded in the shoulder and a punctured lung resulted in an attack of British artillery, on June 13, 1982, one day before the surrender of Argentina.
“In deciding the continuation of the war with the sinking of the Belgrano, Thatcher and the dictator no different [Lepoldo] Galtieri,” he added, on the de facto ruling that ordered the invasion of the southern archipelago April 2, 1982.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1570718-el-hundimiento-del-general-belgrano-su-decision-mas-cuestionada
So TMBOB is finally gone.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She showed her true colors when she lobbied for the non prosecution of the butcher Pinochet. She will not be missed.
Jajaja love the trolls trying to bad mouth a fragile 87 year old women that's pass away. shame your very own plastic lady will never live up to the Iron Lady.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sink the Belgrano!!!!!!
You got love him, they attack, we fight back and his logic says we were the ones at fault! To stupified to laugh!
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trolls will try and denigrate Baroness Thatcher but it will be “water off a duck's back”.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the comments in Clarín are just evil - people seem to be be blind to the fact that had Argentina not invaded the Falkland Islands none of their brave servicemen would have lost their lives yet for some unfathomable reason these unseeing individuals forget that Argentina provoked the conflict with their totally illegal invasion. Britain responded, repelled the invasion and the Argentine armed forces surrendered “saliendo de regreso a su patria con los rabos entre las piernas”
Ah diddums! Lose to a woman did we?
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Champagne anyone??? 8^)
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Raul perfectly shows the true spirit of the Malvanista. While they *claim* to oppose the Junta despite cheering them on until their defeat, they show a deep seated resentment for the woman, who despite other criticism (some a legitimate point of debate to be sure), did what Raul et al, refused to do for themselves, get rid of their *supposedly* despised Junta themselves before it became other people's problem. But of course the Argentine people were expected to pay any price to get the Islands back -- including years and years more of the Junta standing on their necks so long as they could stand on the Islanders' necks too.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't see Germans demonizing the newly dead Churchill for a) liberating THEM from Nazism and most certainly b) liberating everyone else from THEM. But Argentine fascist nostalgists (even those in denial like Raul) deeply hate Thatcher for showing the world their failure to a) conquer others b) liberate themselves all in one breath.
This calls for celebration on a worldwide scale, probably only second to the death of one of the Bushes! it's a boon for all who fight against imperialism and XIX century style colonialism, which that vile viper embodied like none else. Solidarity with all oppressed people trampled by the likes of Thatcher, from Iraq to Afghanistan, to Nicaragua and El Salvador under her soulmate and fellow butcher Reagan, and the Argentine heroes who fought and died for the Malvinas. Likewise I spit upon the grave of the Junta that thought their London and Washington financial bosses would not stab them in the back after they crushed the Argentine left and even trained the Contras for ol' bastard Reagan. US-UK bases OUT of the Malvinas and al of Latin America!
Apr 08th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Baroness Thatcher's determination together with the bravery and professionalism of the British armed forces showed the world just what Argentina is and always will be - an arrogant failure of a country!
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 020
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does that make England a success story in arrogance? Fair enough...
Argentine heroes? Have there been any?
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 022. of course there are argentina heroes, problem is they are all evil murders!!!!!! :)
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine heros? Are they the ones waving the white flags who surrendered without a fight.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone else think Raul's posts are shit?, i mean he only ever posts untrueful rubbish that has no bearing in reality! (or as his says in the XIX century).
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't blame Tatcher for doing her job, I blame her for joining forces with a mass murderer like Pinochet in the name of freedom, that was one step of a comedy.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the Telegraph regarding the end of the Falklands War: “ 'Yes, Ian, it is. I am relieved I will be able to go to sleep tonight without worrying about those terrible Exocets - and I'm sure Argentine mothers will feel the same'.”
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Kydd said her reference to “Argentine mothers” surprised him.
“I don't think I expected something so personal,” he added. “That's probably why it's stuck so vividly in my mind.”
Mr Kydd said Mrs Thatcher - now Baroness Thatcher - was “resolute and determined”. But he said he would not have expected her to be triumphalist.
“I think she felt very, very deeply, personally, about the boys, the soldiers, the military who were out there,” he added.
“She wrote personal hand-written letters to the families of everybody who lost their lives. She knew the risks and the dangers and how many lives had been lost.
”She very clearly was worried about being woken up in the morning to the news that another one of the ships had been hit.“
He added: ”She would have been as aware and as conscious as anyone that lives would be lost - and lives would be lost on both sides.”
God Bless this wonderful great leader who stood up to the Argentine generals.
@Raul Thatcher did what any British prime minister would have done when a shit hole nation like Argentina invaded a peaceful British over seas territory, but you just don't get that do you
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is CFK coming to the funeral????? We wouldn't impound tango 1 honest gov
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mrs Thatcher changed Britain forever, I'm not going to comment on how good or bad she was. She and her government really under estimated the Argentine Junta. It has to be remembered that in the 2 years leading up to the war she was about to sell the Islanders down the river. She even sent Nicholas Ridley MP to the islands twice, to discuss a way forward to include the Argentines. Obviously he was not given a good reception by the islanders, If I'm not wrong during his visit he threatened not to send a “ Gunboat ” after the islanders objected to any control by Argentina. Luckily Thatcher faced right wing opposition in her government regarding the Falklands and by April 1982 events overtook her, the rest is history, she turned her situation around politically, and on the world stage the UK was no longer seen as a Puppet of the USA which it had suffered since the Suez crisis were the UK was ordered by the USA to get out of the Suez canal zone. But unfortunately the UK has once again returned to be subordenate to the USA on military conflicts and appears to go along with everything the USA says.....
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHAT IS MARGARET THATCHER'S LEGACY.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If i were a hypocrite, or somebody miserable, i would say i felt sad or happy because of thatcher's death, however my personality isn't characteristsic of any of both behaviours. For being honest, i didn't feel anything when i heard on the news that she had died.
Beyond i have never agreeded on her policies, and beyond i have always thought that her actions during the war of 1982 were as despisable and repudiable as dictator galtieri's, i can't omit that she was re elected twice a country like the u. k., so it's obvious that in a context most british population agreeded on her policies. That's why, i would like to ask many of the people who often publish their comments here, who most them are pro thatcherist and pro financial sistem, what's margaret thatcher's legacy?, how do you think she'll be remembered in your country by the different social sectors of the british society?, the lives of which social sectors did her policies change in britain?, which social sectors feel sad for her death now?, what did she improve in the u. k. after having roled the nation for eleven years?.
I think it's interesting to debate about all these issues.
Margaret THATCHERS legacy is there for all to see.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A free Falkand Islands.
Ah yes Paragon, tell that to my generation who waited for the invasion and few would support us. (Especially the USA) The UK sent us fighters and provided us with intelligence.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I served well after the FI War in the navy with senior officers that had expected to be slaughtered by our brothers on the other side of the Andes and I can tell you that they all greatly admired the Iron Lady as she never backed away from supporting those who had supported her.
Agreed, prior to the Argentine invasion, the UK was willing to negotiate the future of the islands, but after spending “blood and treasure” to recover them, she stood firm despite the opposition.
She was one of the greatest leaders of the 20th Century!
@ 4 Raul - as usual ill informed.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Besides all remember the genocide committed by the cruiser General Belgrano. It was a war crime.”
Not only was is in any way a genocide - a ridiculous postulate - look it up.
“Una opinión que el propio comandante del buque aquel 2 de mayo de 1982, el capitán de navío Héctor Bonzo
”No me gusta cuando se habla del Belgrano como un crimen de guerra. Si yo hubiese avistado un barco inglés en el momento del repliegue no tenga duda alguna de que hubiésemos atacado. No éramos un blanco inofensivo. El Belgrano tenía 15 cañones de 152 mm, estaba equipado con misiles Exocet.“
”The opinion of the commander of the ship on May 2, 1982, Argentine navy captain Hector Bonzo
I do not like when they talk about the Belgrano as a war crime. If I had sighted a withdrawing British ship I have no doubt that we had attacked it. We were not harmlessly peaceful. The Belgrano had 15 152 mm cannons and was equipped with Exocet missiles”.
Once again hypocrisy at its best,
Apr 08th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here again we stand testament to the Argies who slag her off,
The same Argies who complain about others slating there plastic leader,
They don’t like it,
Yet continue to do the same back,
Pot=kettle=black
p/s
You may hate her,
But remember this, she beat you hands down, she defeated you, and humiliated you,
And what has your glorious lady done in thirty years =what Margaret did in weeks,
She has done nothing but talk,
Still,
Two ladies two decades, two leaders ,
One a great action woman
And the other a talking Barbie doll,
Their ya have it, enjoy.
Titter titter.
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@34 talking common sense and quoting the captain of the Belgrano will win you nothing with Raul & stevie & ilk, facts, history and common sense have very little to do with their posting... as clearly exhibited by Rauls belief that an entire Argentine population must have been on-board the Belgrano for it to have been a “genocide”.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although, maybe the last true Patagonian native was on it... you never know.
Thatcher was a great leader who blew away the turgidity and self-contempt that the unions had foisted upon a Britain that was heading inexorably down the shitter thanks to Labour & the Unions.
She may not have been popular with some folks but without her the Falklands would be Argentine and Britain an economic ruin akin to Argentina with decade after decade of fail policies, corruption, lethargy and failure.
If nothing else she woke Britain up...and it needed that doing.
Anbar, don't involve me in the Belgrano discussion. Has nothing to do with me and I never stated a word on the matter.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 We can add Axel to the predictable list Fascist Apologists who believe that it is as bad if not worse to stand between Galtieri (and Argentina) and their (common) prey than to actually BE Galtieri and his Junta.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How DARE Thatcher stop the Junta in its tracks. How DARE Thatcher deprive us of the Islands. How DARE Thatcher pave the way for democrats in AR while we were too confused being cheerleaders for the Junta that we eventually overthrew but only when it disappointed us by being humiliated by the Brits (true: she was just trying to get the fascists out of the Islands, but it's not like the Argentines were planning to do it anytime soon especially when the Junta just gave them what they wanted and in exchange they “reelected” them through acclamation in the streets).
Spare me your superficial attempt to pretend to be cerebral via the usual whataboutery and offering that depraved bit of moral equivalence between a Perfect Tyrant (Galtieri, before he let you down) and a Flawed Liberator (Thatcher, in her privatizing and iron-lady prime). There are many ways to criticize Thatcher and mature people are doing it on these very threads (you should be taking notes). But you just gave Tobias (Saddam Hussein = Poland in WW2) a run for his money with your vile toss-away comment that was either very thoughtless or pretty much showed EXACTLY how your mind works (I'm betting on #2).
@ 36 Anbar
Apr 08th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“talking common sense and quoting the captain of the Belgrano will win you nothing with Raul & stevie & ilk, facts, history and common sense have very little to do with their posting.”
I am well aware of that.
As a matter of fact I am not posting answers to their silly nonsense, but to keep new readers informed of what really happens and happened.
During the time I have frequented the mercopress forum, the only honest Argentines on this board have been Simon68, Hermes1967 and (mostly) 'Pesky Army'.
The rest are either deliberately dishonest or unable to reason sensibly or outside educational reach or - as can be seen in the threads about Margaret Thatcher's death - outright cads and Viveza Criolla.
BTW: I forgot the link to captain Héctor Bonzo's statement (Argentine source): http://www.lanacion.com.ar/702442-general-belgrano-crimen-o-acccion-de-combate
@4 Indeed you are.
Apr 08th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you tell the difference between male and female, prick? Sorry, that what goes up your arse, isn't it?
Belgrano? Genocide? Do you even understand what “genocide” means, you shit-filled wanker?
Belgrano is where it was justifiably killed. The South Atlantic. Strange how it isn't where the argie navy said it should be? Could they be lying?
And who gives a shit. Just argie criminal shit.
@10 Shit on you.
@11 Neither will you, hepatitis.
@19 Be sure you understand this. You are going to die in agony. Quite soon. It may be a year or even more. Ever heard of the SAS. They appear in the night. They kill. They disappear. Any preferences? A knife across the throat? A bayonet up the arse? Shit down your throat? Would you like to carry your balls home in your hand? Since they are no longer attached?
I see that we keep on about the Belgrano . The sad fact is that the ship entered the exclusion zone not once but three times . On the third effort she was sunk . I understand that an officer of said ship admitted that the Captain was playing the game of coward by entering the exclusion zone so often. It is also interesting that the Captain of HMS Conqueror was admonished for not sinking Belgrano when it first entered the exclusion zone .
Apr 08th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With regard to Mrs. Thatcher I am , and will always be , a great admirer . She saved a country which was slowly sinking . Bit like Churchill in 1940 !
Will she get a sainthood?
Apr 08th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”Will she get a sainthood?“”“
Apr 08th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that sort of thing reserved for RCs like Mr Blair.
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”and found that the former British prime minister had the opportunity to stop the war of Malvinas, but that the decision to sink the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano intensified the war.“
It never fails to amaze me that people like Raul can find a way to criticise and condemn somebody like Mrs T for ”Intensifying the war“ but cannot find it in themselves to find ayny blame attached, whatsoever, for Argentina starting it in the first place.
All together now...
”Its always somebody elses fault!”
Anbar
Apr 08th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will she get a sainthood then?
“Anbar
Apr 08th, 2013 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will she get a sainthood then?”
Isn't that sort of thing reserved for RCs like Mr Blair.
(Just ask if you dont understand)
(But, as you are our resident expert on English, of COURSE you get it!)
Anbar
Apr 08th, 2013 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She will get a sainthood, then...
Raul- I see you still post in fantasy - read up any historical FACTS yet?
Apr 08th, 2013 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#4 Genocide? LOL!
Apr 08th, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't use big words when you obviously don't know what they mean.
@48 He's just forgetting that the Argentines tried to blow up British Navy Vessels in Gibraltar (Operation Algeciras), making the war zone radius about 10'000miles.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argies don't know much about history and so sit there talking about war crimes and zone of war and other nonsense, when they completely ignored it. If your country engaged in an act of war by invading british territory, then it doesn't matter where you are, we will sink you. You refused to sign the anti-nuclear treaty either, which made things interesting.
Anyways, no point talking to argentines as they are tiresome liars.
Maggie, may God have mercy on his soul and in hell, never rest in peace!
Apr 09th, 2013 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xarv doubt it, have,nt you heard, hell is for heros, she sent over 600 of yours there, could have been more, but your cowardly shites surrendered.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted.”
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0BUT NO.....
the taxpayer (many descendants of those laid off thanks to her domestic policies) will foot the bill
Ah, how kind of you to be so concerned about the British tax payer!
Apr 09th, 2013 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 052
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahaha
“Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted.”
That's beautiful :)
53
Apr 09th, 2013 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0forget about what I am concerned or unconcerned....
the fact remains that (if one were consistent with what she believed), her funeral should be privatized....
Inspired thinking, privatise the funeral for Lady Thatcher as this is what she believed in.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0What company or department do you privatise??? the Margaret Thatcher Funeral Ministry?? Ok So the new company with shares issued and stock floated undertakes its one and only role to bury Lady Thatcher, so funeral over the new PLC Company has no role or revenue.
A good thought and worth repeating on numerous websites trolls, but ultimately it would fail like your RG Economy.
GFACE.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that what you say is interesting, in fact we can debate about what you express in your comment, and i'm going to tell you what i think about it. Anyway, i wish you answered some of the questions of my comment.
You say that thatcher tried to get the fascists out from the islands, perhaps you suffer of fragil memory, or ignore some relevant facts.
In 1980 thachers' government sent minister readley to the islands, in order to convince the islanders to find a negotiated solution for this conflict with the argentine government.
On the other hand, one year before the invasion, thatcher was warned because of the cuts off that her government had made for the budget of deffence in the south atlantic, however, she ignored those warns. So, with these two objetive facts, she showed she didn't feel much repudiation for fascist governments.
It's evident that what she did was to use the argentine invasion, in order to get a militar victory, because that was the only way to save her miserable and unpopular government. The junta was so ignorant and houghty that thought that the u. k. would never go to a war for the islands, that's why they ordered the invasion. They thought that the u. k. was going to accept a find a negotiated solution.
In reference to the support that many people gave to the invasion in plaza de mayo, which is something reminded by many people often in this forum, however what you ignore is that during the dictatorship there was not any freedom of press, all the chanels and radios were under the control of the junta, all the information that came from the islands was distorted on behalf of the objetives of the junta, in fact, it was said all the time that we were wining. Beside, galtieri said before people in plaza de mayo that argentina had recovered the islands without any rancour, which was absolutly false.
@57 Axel, you're deep in the hole. Stop digging.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Removing the Junta was an additional positive outcome of liberating the Falklands, not the primary goal and I made that clear.
Your continued pretense that AR was under a global news blackout is also a lie. VOA and BBC World Service and other new crept through the boarder via the airwave. If the rank-n-file Argentine people were opposed to the junta they would have had through their networks some access to what was going on and you know it. Worse still you continue to deliberately ignore the broader implications of the cheering and an alternative future with the Junta: The people were cheering that the Junta had MORE people under its jackboot -- and for you, that was good. And really are we to believe that people who opposed the Junta would be believe that foreigners would WANT to be under their fascist rule. You know that no reasonable person can believe that. And no Argentine (who according to you we're talking about a majority of them) would believe it either.
Stop. Digging.
In the UK are celebrating his death.
Apr 09th, 2013 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Injured and arrested in street celebrations over the death of former British premier
http://www.clarin.com/mundo/Heridos-detenidos-celebraciones-callejeras-britanica_0_898110331.html
Recall that Margaret Thatcher supported and protected the genocidal Pinochet.
A couple of criminals.
Miguel song Piero Cantilo and truly portraying the criminal and genocidal Margaret Thatcher
LADY VIOLENCE AND CHILDREN
Lady violence firecrackers clouds
Words flamethrower and criminal reason
Architect built a fire of fear
Machete arrogant and pit scar.
Lady of the blows and curses
With hands gillette gun and sex
Lady violence where will the children of thy womb
Muscles resistant leather
Punishing enemies screaming and kicking
Someone who loves me, killing living.
Lady violence rages
Revolution and war, national pretext
For many people release their anxieties,
Your sleeping body and animal instinct.
Energetic lady wild fields
Patron of the jungles and brutal work
Lady of the men who grow up in the footprint
Deformed lady, crazy in the city.
Where are the children of your womb
With effervescent lead flakes
Mistreating animals and felled pine
Destroying forests, breaking the valleys,
Withering grass ranging treading.
Bull!
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0GFACE.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I respect your opinion but i don't agree on it.
It's very easy to criticise the behavior of our people who celebrated the malvinas invasion in plaza de mayo, without taking into account the state of the freedom of press in that moment. In fact, the few journalists who published about dissappeared people where threatened and had to leave the coutry, like english journalist robert cox, who was the director of buenos aires herald.
Beside, as i told you before, galtieri lied to us when he said that arg. had recovered the islands without any rancour.
I have never denied that our society is contradictory and complicated, like all the rest of the societies. In fact, two days before the 2nd of april, there was a huge march in plaza de mayo, launched by the different unions, who claim for work and peace, which was violently repressed by the junta, and one of the manifestants died during the repression.
However, it's necesary to take into account the context of that historic moment, in order to make a serious and fair analysis.
The argentine society of 1982 was a society which wasn't used to democracy, in fact since 1930 untill 1982, just one government could finish one of it's presidences, i mean juan peron (1946-1952), all the rest of the governments, including peron's second government, were broken down by militar coup d'etats, which implemented different dictatorships.
What the dictatorship did, was to use a national cause, in order to try to save the miserable process stablished by videla in 1976, which was provoking more and more poverty.
In the case of thatcher, if she had been really the great democrat, as she's considered by many people in this forum, she could have broken the relations with arg., in order to avoid any discusion about sovereignty, untill arg. recovers the democracy.
In my opinion, her behavior during 1982 was as despisable and repudiable as galtieri's.
@61 So now it's Thacher's fault for “enabling” the Junta by being proactive in isolating it. Can you guys PLEASE make up your minds? Or at least get your talking points straight. First we Nortes meddle making it all our fault, then it's our fault for not meddling enough via soft power (mind you, the US just asking for free and fair elections is enough for people to scream around here), cutting off diplomatic relations is a nuclear option reserved for only a few countries, even at the height of the cold war there were US and UK embassies in Moscow and vice versa.
Apr 10th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for things being complicated and contradictory. Oh not to worry, I get it sadly too well. Through all of these apologetics regarding “her” and her passing, I am hearing more of such contradictions after another (complicated, indeed!). I'm hearing now that it was Thatcher's fault for NOT fortifying the islands before 1982 making the invasion an “engraved invitation” --- BUT apparently a troop rotation that's there to prevent a duplication of 1982 (so says your present non-Junta government) is “militarizing” the south atlantic. More still on top of this we have heard repeatedly and incessantly that the UK made the invasion justifiable by not “complying” with nonbonding resolutions and talking to AR (read: agreeing with AR) about your highly dodgy claim. (IIRC, this is ~you~ saying this as much as other, more frothy toxic and rabid, Malvanistas.) And now what? The UK (read: “her”) should have totally disengaged with AR until a country that according to you wasn't calibrated for liberal democracy had one?
Dude. Like I said: Stop Digging. And google the term “Cognitive Dissonance.”
GFACE.
Apr 11th, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not saying it's all the u. k.'s fault, i 'm not an idiot. In fact, i have never justified what the junta did not just in 1982, but since the begining of the coup d'etat in 1976. I am just saying that it's necesary a deep debate about what happened in 1982.
I respect those people who admire thatcher and consider her as a great democrat defender of freedom, i don't agree on those considerations, and l already explained why.
If the defence of the islands, and the wishes of the islanders had been so important to her, she would have never sent nicholas readley to the islands, beside she would have never ignored the warns i mentioned in my comments.
On the other hand, if she was so interested in defending the islands, she could have sent a huge permanent militar mission to the archipelago, in order to avoid the islanders to be victim of any of the terrible violations to human rights that the junta committed in the mainland against our people, however that decision didn't implicate a war.
Despite the repudiable invasion ordered by the junta in 1982, the militars were disposed to negotiate a solution with britain.
Anyway you, and all the rest of the thatcherists know perfecty that a negotiated solution wasn't convenient for her politic ambitions, that's why it was necesary to order to sink the belgrano and show that none negotiated solution was posible, but a militar victory, because that was the only one way to save her miserable and unpopular government. Sorry if you and all the other thatcherists can't see it.
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