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Attack on Boston marathon leaves three dead, 17 critically injured and fears it was a 'terrorist bombing'
An investigation is under way after two explosions near the finishing line of the Boston Marathon left three people dead and more than 100 injured. The FBI has taken over co-ordination of what it described as a “potential terrorist inquiry”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSincere sympathies and condolences to all the victims, their families and the the people of Boston.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0A terrible day for a wonderful city. Very sad indeed.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very sad yes, but I wonder if the people of Boston have given a thought to the collection boxes they used to have on their bar counters, collecting donations for the provisional IRA. That money was used to finance the bombs in Manchester, Omagh, Enniskillen, Warrington and London.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if they now understand the horror if terrorism!
@3
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect they know very well the horrors of terrorism given that 3 of the planes on 9/11 flew out of Logan. And it's hardly fair to blame all the citizens of Boston for the stupidity of a few in South Boston. That's like saying that 7/7 was fair enough given the collections in Kilburn pubs. Plus Senator Mitchell of neighbouring Vermont was instrumental in the GFA deal.
@4
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Terrorism is horrendous whereever it happens, I remember vividly in my city of Manchester when the largest bomb ever was detonated in the mainland UK and I remember at that time British tourists returning from Boston complaining that they had openly been approached with collection boxes for the provisional IRA, which was taking place openly with full acceptance of the authorities there.
What happened in Boston yesterday was terrible, but also certainly a time for them to reflect on themselves.
@3
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
@5
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that Manchester where the council has a plaque up commemorating the Martyrs who murdered a policeman? Thinking that terrorism is ever partly deserved is precisely the moral ambivalence that maintains it. The IRA survived for so long because of what Adams called their concentric rings of support. Those in the middle supported the bombings regardless whereas those further out thought how you think i.e. that yes, the bombings were bad “but they kind of had it coming”.
#3 you're so right , perhaps this was a some UK fringe group seeking revenge for the Southies supporting the IRA. Too bad more tourists and athletes were not killed........right?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The real tragedy? Your mom and dad were missed in WWII bombings.
Well my guess would be that this was home grown, hence the reason Obama is reluctant currently to point the finger, but I'm quite certain it will have nothing to do with the UK as your analogy would indicate.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You shouldn't be angry that it's being pointed out to you that terrorism elsewhere was sponsored on the streets of Boston, maybe as I stated, you reflect upon it.
@5 If terrorism is horrendous wherever it happens, perhaps you'll give some sympathetic thought to the situation of Israel. Evicted from their homeland in the 1st century AD by the Romans, subjected to the Holocaust in the 1940s, they must have thought fate was finally being kind to them when their ancestral lands were given back to them. To find what? It was immediately attacked by the forces of FOUR Arab countries, together with contingents from others. All with one aim. To wipe the newly-established and independent Israel off the face of the planet. And that happened, time and again, for the next 64 years. With the Arabs losing again and again. And in the various periods of “peace”, terrorist attacks. Hamas, Hezbollah and any other “palestinian” terrorist nutters. The Arabs have also tried, since 1946, to divert the headwaters of the River Jordan to deprive Israel of water resources. Who the hell are “palestinians” and why are they where they are? Palestine is a region not a country. Throughout history, there has never been a country called Palestine. All these “palestinians” should be in Jordan. Go back to 1947 and find that was the UN plan. Israelis face terrorism and potential terrorism every day. And what is worse is that the majority of the world agreed to them being there. And then deserted them and left them to fend for themselves. And no, I am not even remotely Jewish. I just think that the “right thing” should be done by the world. Tell the Arabs to quit or else. And move the “palestinians” to Jordan. And help the Israelis deal with any continuing terrorism after that!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0All US citizens that donated to the IRA, especially those in Irish communities and in Boston, should reflect that they paid for the same horrors that they brought to Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0At this time that we reflect on the death of Margaret Thatcher, the UK Prime Minister, they should also reflect that THEY also funded the IRA to blow up the hotel and the British Prime Minister within it.
THEY, the funders of the IRA bombing campaigns are responsible for the death, mayhem and pain to the occupants of that hotel and the many towns and cities across the United Kingdom.
YOU may have paid directly;
YOU may well have let the terrorist collect on your streets;
YOU may well have 'turned the blind eye'.
Reflect well on what YOU did.
YOU are not forgiven.
@11
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thankyou for the support Geoff, when I think of those two young boys that were blown up in Warrington and the devastation in Omagh, when many US citizens were stuffing $50 bills into those IRA collection boxes, I get so angry.
As I said, what happened in Boston was horrendous, but they do need to think about the suffering they themselves caused
“but they do need to think about the suffering they themselves caused”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remember that line. I will use it against you.
@13
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh really, well so long as it's in a 'funding of terrorism context' feel free.
@11 & 12
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Having once lived in Boston (I remember Boylston & Copley Plaza very well indeed) I was never once approached with a tin. However, I was more than happy to set the record straight regarding NI when the opportunity arose. Only one guy stuck resolutely to the party line - everyone else appeared genuninely interested to hear a more balanced view. All I can say is that if Boston had been as bad as some here seem to think then I would be happy to join in - but it simply wasn't. Therefore I have nothing but total sympathy and sadness for the little boy who hugged his Dad and then was blown up. Shame on you both.
@15
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It really was that bad, do some research and educate yourself as to where the provisional IRA received the bulk of their funding for their bombing campaign in the UK. That money paid for the deaths of many British citizens, so shame on you back.
@16
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am very well aware of that fact but there are nearly 300 million people in the US. You seem to hold them all collectively responsible. What about the people, perhaps not far from where you live, who might be contributing funding or even personnel to islamist causes? Are you & I to blame for them? Are our families now legitmate targets?
@17
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I completely agree with you, I despise terrorism and the funding of terrorism anywhere, and I have made my feelings clear about how terrible the bombing was in Boston yesterday. But the irony will not be lost on many Brits that the Boston community contributed enormously to the finances of the provisional IRA. Once again, maybe at this time, that community should reflect on that fact.
I was in Boston at the weekend, staying with friends at the Mandarin Oriental on Boylston Street. The finish line was couple of blocks along from the hotel and everyone was buzzing about the marathon. It is held on a a public holiday and everyone was looking forward to it. Less than 24 hours later, and half a block from the hotel, the first bomb went off.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16 9/11 ended that funding. It was probably the one positive to come out of that terrible day.
Forget that, have a pint and pick next country on the list you lot can bomb together instead. I'm sure you have plenty of families as legitimate targets.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have to agree with everyone one on this thread (even Stevie). It is a tragedy, albeit very, very small compared to the suffering caused by the (Boston funded) IRA and minuscule compared to the multiple bombings that take place almost daily in crowded market places across the middle-east. It is both natural and perverse that people put a higher value on the loss of their own than of others.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You travel a lot Elaine, thius is my hometown. Regardless of wether people who live in South Boston or not sent funds to the IRA, the suggestion here is that everyone from Boston should pay the consequences. I believe that ones here that make that connection also chuckle over the events of 9/11.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it is a holiday here. In Massachusetts be still celebrate Patriots Day (yesterday) Bunker Hill Day and Evacuation Day, all independance related holidays.
I think when the dust settles the culprit will likely be a home grown type of terrorist.
What the hell has the IRA got to do with this act of terror in Boston!!??
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comments like these will make the people of Boston to collect charity tins and support the IRA cause in NI.
What mindless comments.
@22
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not having a laugh at the terrible events in Boston, and I certainly don’t think anybody deserves to be slaughtered by cowards, having said that I would hope that the minority of people who did collect money for the “cause” in the US will reflect on the loss of life in NI and the UK.
22
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the suggestion here is that everyone from Boston should pay the consequences”
I really don't think anyone is say that at all.
The Irish neighborhoods and Irish immigrants in Boston did send money in support of freeing Ireland, it's an Irsh mentality thing. The mindless comments are that Boston deserved it. The injured are mostly the athletes from around the globe. However small in comparison the middle east attacks or even 9/11, it is a mindless and senseless event that targets the innocent. The the British extremist here get woodies over this minor attack.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 010. Conqueror. Umm... Seem to remember “israelis” being very handy at murdering british troops in the Palestine mandate, King david hotel ring a bell? terrorism?, not even starting on the ethic cleansing of the palestinians in 1948. Blaming Arabs for defending their homeland is pretty retarded mate!.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 & 26 I do travel a lot but am flying home tomorrow night.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We considered staying for the marathon and associated celebrations but I had to be back in D C for an appointment on The Hill and couldn't move it. Glad I made that decision.
You make a good point. Runners in the marathon were from all over the world so it seems less likely to be aimed specifically at Bostonians. I also think you are right about it more likely to be a disgruntled, home-grown terrorist. JMO
It is way too sloppy and juvenile of ordiance work to have been done by profdessional terrorist. Seeing the blast area, concussive impact and the lack of direction.....more likely some disgruntled 2nd amendment freak.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fao US citizens suffering yet another US outrage:
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IRA Terrorist Bombings in England
(This list is incomplete.)
71 London
72 Aldershot
73 London
73 London
74 M62
74 London
74 Guildford
74 London
74 Birmingham
74 Bristol
75 London
78 Bristol
79 London
81 London
81 London
82 London
83 London
84 Brighton
89 Deal
90 London
90 Lichfield
90 London
90 Hankham
91 London
91 St Albans
91 London
92 London
92 London
92 Shrewsbury
92 London
92 London
92 Manchester
93 Warrington
93 Reading
93 London
96 London
96 London
96 London
96 Manchester
97 Wilslow
2000 London
2000 London
2000 London
2001 London
2001 London
2001 London
2001 London
2001 Birmingham
Also for a shortened list of IRA terrorist bombings in Northern Ireland, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_actions_(1990-1999)
I have not listed the names of the adults, children and babies killed and mutilated by the IRA using the bombs bought with the money given freely by the people of the United States of America.
No, St. Paddy, leprechauns, 'the hard stuff' and bedtime stories of 'the old country' is the myth that allows you to be blind to the realities of the present.
YOU may have paid directly to 'free Ireland';
YOU may well have let the terrorist collect on your streets;
YOU may well have 'turned the blind eye'.
Reflect well on what YOU did, and what you did not do.
You are NOT forgiven - by me and the many others that lost family - for your naivety.
speechless...i simply don't understand...
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree that Americans were totally wrong to fund IRA attrocities but I wouldnt wish yesterdays bombing on anyone. Our heartfelt sorrow for the victims and their loved ones from England... We share your pain.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 030
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With that as an argument, YOU are responsible for the atrocities in Iraq. Or that doesn't count?
(30) GeoffWard2
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly...................
What the fu** were (and are) you English doing in Ireland anyhow?
Secondly...........
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-15/bomb-attacks-across-iraq-kill-202c-injure-200/4630608
Brainwash anybody?
Firstly...................
Apr 16th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What the fu** were (and are) you English doing in Ireland anyhow?
Its called democracy Think, as an Argie I know you find that hard to get your ahead around, basically the majority of the people of Northern Ireland don’t want to be part of Éire, hope that helps.
The trolls have been energised, must be to turn attention away from the Botox Queens huge Conk!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a Englishman with Irish ancestry we have to concurr with the majority in NI - no surrender! Just like the Falkland Islands, the majority rules unlike the Nazi regime in Rgland.
TWIMC
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some ~40 years ago, people in the DDR and BRD smiled indulgently at this old man when he declared his total belief in reunification.......
Twenty odd years after, the smile was on my face........
The reunification of Ireland is as certain and natural as the German reunification was.
What happened in Boston is just another sad day for the people who are screaming to for more security on streets (more tsa include in the malls) and gun control (take it away, take it away, it's evil to protect yourself, bla bla bla). It's working for Obama and his gangsters. Meanwhile on the lame mainstream media is busy blaming it on the people who are against the government, don't want to surrender their guns and people who know the economy is failing and hate the idea that their bankaccount is being robbed in front of our eyes by their (lame mainstream media) masters..(the mega banks who ownes the whole propaganda machine).
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps you rightly feel ireland should be independent,
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at the same time you think the falklands should be indipendent,
but
you think the falklands should be part of argentina,
you then think ireland should be part of great britain,
the trouble with ideals and beliefs,
is that what ever you think,
someone else thinks differently.
just a thought..
Geez fd, I live in the USA ....Boston and I don't see the screaming that you claim? TSA in the malls? Is that you government controlled media dolling out your news? At least most of us that make claims on SA have been there.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie (#33)
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'With that as an argument, YOU are responsible for the atrocities in Iraq. Or that doesn't count?'
Of course it counts, Stevie #30.
The key difference is that
millions of 'ordinary British people' DID take to the streets and tried to stop Tony Blair giving George Bush the 'evidence' to go to war in Iraq. TB & GB did it anyway.
I did not see marches in the USA against the IRA, ... just a continuous, quiet American funding of the IRA terrorist bombers.
As terrorist bombs exploded communities all over England - targetting the innocent, the Americans just kept on funding them to explode more and more bombs.
...........................................................
Think (#34)
'What the fu** were (and are) you English doing in Ireland anyhow?'
In the 12th century Anglo-Norman barons started the Norman conquest of Ireland, having completed their conquest of England, etc.
The 15th century Ireland was shaped by the ‘unfinished Norman conquest’. Many native Gaelic Irish had been pushed out of parts of the island to ‘beyond the Pale’ to the West; they went their own way with their own language, social system, customs and laws. The English wryly referred to them as “His Majesty’s Irish enemies”, and Europe viewed them as ‘white natives’ (the same as South America viewed its indigenous natives).
The 16th century quiet conquest of Ireland was made incrementally during the reign of Henry VIII (1509–1547). ‘Ulster’ was considered by the English to be “underpopulated” (less than 30,000 in the whole of Ireland!) and undeveloped, with clan-wars between non-landowning, feudal pastoral clans.
The Nine Years' War (1594 to 1603), fought between (Catholic) Gaelic Irish chieftains and the (Protestant) English ended in defeat for the Irish chieftains, which led to their exile in the Flight of the Earls (1607), transfer of land-rights to the English, and to the Protestant/Presbyterian colonization of ‘Ulster’. After the death of Elizabeth I and the crowning of James I,
On TV some are suggesting that it has all the hallmarks of a home grown group,
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some say, that [waco] incident ,
The far right will never forgive what the US government did,
The Oklahoma bomber was also home grown,
Sadly disgruntled people or groups who believe they are either entitled to something,
Or demand things is an excuse to kill maim murder or blow up innocent people,
For what ever your grudge it’s always the innocent that suffer,
For ones belief’s is another’s tragedy,
Despite the fact you [all] may hate ones own government, killing the innocent never works, never has done, never will be,
You cannot beat the system,
You can change it , alter it , join it , control it path , influence it ,
But you can’t beat it,
Again sadly some of us either never think of that, or just don’t care,
Finally
As sad as this is,
It is not the first,
And will defiantly won’t be the last,
They say-what goes around-comes around,
But at the time, who cares,
But when the killing starts, [they all do]
Just an opinion.
[41] right.
The world is FUBAR and it's not changing anytime soon.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 ..it makes me sad... we have to do something...we can't live like this
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you think that the Boston bombing is English pay back for IRA support? Comments like yours are the reason that America should sever ties with England.
#45 Get back in your cot Toby, time for bed...
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......cowardous vermin scum.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i find solace knowing whoever,wherever the culprit(s) are they will get theres.
UK.
No I don't think that Tobuy#45, it's called rhetoric. There are extremists in every nation including Brits.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JB no idea where you're from but the world grows sadder every year. I started writing here becuase my wife is a Portena and ultimately want to get the rest of her family here, in the USA. But really I've petered off becasue I am really saturated from the hatred on all sides. I think I've had my fill.
For the most part, all the attitudes here are...“you're either with me, or against me”. Australia, UK Agentina.....where ever, they all flaunt nationalism. The RGs are the stupiest, The Brits are the imperialists, the Americans are back stabbers. The mud slingging never ends. The violence will never stop, it's human nature. Even are the cellular level we divede and conquer.
The best thing humanity can do is nuke itself and give another species a chance.
“”The best thing humanity can do is nuke itself and give another species a chance.“”“
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0planets only ever produce one sentient species...
its kinda like a one-off flowering and then ”thats that”.
Spoken from the all knowing. How many planets is that statement based on?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to see all the English comments happy for this bombs.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure they know an eight year boy and a Chinese young student died because of it.
No we are not happy about the bombing you prick, we as a nation know about being bombed by cowards, we are just pointing out that SOME Americans collected money for the I Ran Away.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some posts come across as smiling as they point that out. Those posts certainly make it sound that this act is for the collection boxes. Because Irish immigrants live in a heavy Irish neighborhood.....South Boston and sent money to the IRA......let's take it out on all Bostonians. Let them think about that now. The talk of nationalists.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0At any rate.....it's most likely some internal nut job.....but the characteristics of the device were of Afgani IUD. It could be anyone.
@48 Captain Poppy,
Apr 17th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct re humans, that is why l much prefer animals to people.
A few animals kill for pleasure but most of them just kill for food or to protect their young or themselves.
We call animals “God's dumb creatures” because they can't talk but we are the “dumb” ones.
No animal ever manufactured a bomb.
No, we are not happy about the bombing in Boston - quite the reverse.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I would have liked to have seen in this Comment-thread was some recognition from Americans on this site that they, or their fellow citizens of the USA, were responsible for buying the bombs that killed and mutilated their colleagues across London and the great cities of their ally, the United Kingdom.
This was the most extensive, sustained bombing of London since the Blitz.
I showed you a shortened list of the bombings that US citizens paid for (#30).
You Americans can claim “I never knew” (like with the Nazi concentration camps after WWII).
You have known for decades, and you are reminded here, now.
Does it take a 9/11 or a Marathon bomb in your own backyard to jog your memory of your own national terrorist bombing culpability?
This was not your armed forces, this was your average US Joe consciously participating in the killing of your friends and neighbours across the water.
A “Sorry for what we did” will help, as we are sorry for your victims in Boston.
Sure.....when Briton takes responsibilty for FUCKING up Africa and the middle East. If my government was sending money to the IRA....sure, then I would be responsibile. But repressed immigrants that excaped Ireland to the USA.....blame that oin yourselves.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with you Brits......you don;t realize your ass smells like everyone elses.
Your a dickhead geoff/conqueror.
You would be speaking german if not for the USA.......re-writ histopry all you want. GI Joe saved your island paradise.
(56) Captain Poppy.......
Apr 17th, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allow me to complement your answer t0 haughty Englishman Mr. GeoffWard.....
Sure.....when Britons takes responsibilty for FU**ING Up Africa, the Middle East, the Far East half of the Caribbean, half of Central America and some of South America (Las Malvinas for example).
If the Yankee government was sending money to the IRA....sure, then you would be responsibile. But repressed immigrants that escaped Ireland to the USA(the Kennedy clan for example).....blame that on yourselves, Englishmen.
The problem with you Brits......you don´'t realize your ass smells like everyone elses.
Your a d**khead geoff/conqueror.
You would be speaking German if not for the USA....... Re-write history all you want. GI Joe saved your island paradise.
AMEN
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/attack-on-boston-marathon-leaves-three-dead-17-critically-injured-and-fears-it-was-a-terrorist-bombing#comment239351: Actually, it is more likely that they would now be speaking Russian after an intervening interlude of German speaking.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regardless I will never think the the Falklands are Argentina's ad neither does Argentina or else they would be in the ICJ. BTW.....if the Falklands are a case of sovereignty, why have is sit in the C24? The UK is not forcibly colonizing the Falklands.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(58) Hepatia
Apr 17th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always enjoy your comments and your style......
But this time I will allow myself to disagree with you......
Our Russian Tovarishchs fought bravely and were determinant for the Allies victory but......
If it hadn't been for the Western Front, paid and managed by the Americans, Russian would be an exctint language nowadays.....
No, I'm not a 'dickhead', Poppy/Think.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just somebody who lost a relative to a US bomb ignited by the IRA.
(61) GeoffWard2
Apr 17th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite understandable personal point of wiew..........................., but...
Why do you then have such troubles understanding the many millions around the world that “lost a relative to a US bomb paid for or ignited by the USA”?
Or the many millions around the world that “lost a relative to a UK bomb paid for or ignited by the UK”?
@61 GeoffWard2,
Apr 17th, 2013 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are correct Geoff & l support what you say.
However we are giving these despicable malvinistas ammunition to fire at us.
The US government & many of the US people knew about the flow of funds to the IRA & that did not stop until 9/11.
Obviously they then realised that they too could be on the receiving end & they didn't like it.
@56 Captain Poppy,
Not so, the Germans had abandoned attempts to invade Britain before America entered the war.
Who knows how the world would be if America had stayed out.
l'm certain that on our own,we never had the man-power to liberate Europe from the Germans so we would have had to co-operate even more fully with the Ruskis.
Or, dare l say it, reach some form of agreement with the Germans.
But, Captain, you didn't “save” us.
And l might mention that if it were not for the British redcoats, you Americans would be speaking French(not a bad thing as its a beautiful language).
l don't think Geoff is a dickhead, just because he points out the truth doesn't make him a dickhead.
And it IS the truth.
1)Funds from the USA directly helped the IRA.
2)The US govt did NOTHING to stop those funds.
3)A lot of Americans willingly gave those funds, knowing full well what they were being used for.
Of course we have a dark past, of course we did wrong(as well as good).
So did you, so did Argentina, so did every country in the world.
Don't take the high moral ground until you are as pure as the driven snow. And before you say it, No, l do not hate Americans.
@62 Think,
Naturally you would have to jump in. l expected nothing less.
Before you start pointing your grubby finger at the British, reflect a moment on some of the monsterous things that Argentina has done in its short sorry existance.
Then pause awhile to gather your unholy thoughts upon the past crimes of whatever European country that you came from.
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
Poltroon
3)A lot of Americans willingly gave those funds, knowing full well what they were being used for.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me the statistic that a lot of the 280 million Americans contributed to the IRA? I am not taking a high ground, but I certainly am not going to apologize for those contributions. He is a dickhead for thinking I need to apologize.
And when the redcoats saved from the french, we were subjects, not citizens.
@64 Captain Poppy,
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0l wouldn't know the percentage of Americans who contributed funds to the IRA.
Probably not a lot overall.
Thats not the point, even if it were less than 1%, its still less than 1% too many.
btw-There are about 306 million Americans, not 280 million.
Have you got an old book?
l'm not asking you(& l don't think Geoff was either) personally to apologise for anything.
l'm sure Geoff meant your government should apologise.
And so they should.
Whats the difference whether you were subjects or citizens?
You & other Americans that l've met often remark that if not for you, then we would be speaking German.
(forgetting that the Germans had other plans for Britain if they'd won & educating us wouldn't be one of them!)
ln the Seven Years War or French & lndian War as you call it, the British captured Quebec & halted French expansion towards the 13 colonies.
lf the French had won, & they very nearly did, you Americans would be speaking French.
ln all fairness,& l am fair l believe, Colonial Militia & backwoodsmen contributed much to a British victory.
Cap'n, do l know your history better than you? lol.
And l say much of this through gritted teeth as l am part French!
But credit where its due, ne c'est pas?
Greatest country on Earth.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CH8l_NwkwI0#!
Roughly 280 million during the times of the contributions, not presently, presently there are 317,000,000.....we are talking a point in time.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What I would have liked to have seen in this Comment-thread was some recognition from Americans on this site that they, or their fellow citizens of the USA, were responsible for buying the bombs that killed and mutilated their colleagues across London and the great cities of their ally, the United Kingdom.
This was the most extensive, sustained bombing of London since the Blitz”
Does the British feel remorse for the Irish children the soldiers took aim and put rubber bullets through their skulls? If the Brits want to take the upper road....great, but the IRA did not form out of thin air for no reason at all. Were the IRA bombings a outragous tragedy....absolutely. But do not over look the innocent irish citizens dies at the hands of a soldiers rifle. The British can't sanitize and re paint history to their liking. At some point you must ask yourselves why have British colonies and territories throughout history revolted against the British empire?
I am not going to get into a royalty thing with subjects and citizens.
Perhaps you are not aware that we sent 16,000,000 kids to war
almost 300,000 KIA's, 700,000 WIA. Europe was not America's war in my opinion, but I have many uncles still horizontally in Europe.
I live in King Phillips stomping grounds so if you believe you know more, I will attribute that to being British. Take that for that it is.
Did the USA do wrong by allowing that funding to take place? Damn straight it did. It also allowed muslim radicals to fund their sources as well despite that fact you think the lack of oversight only affected Britain.
At any rate, I am no as quite to blame the British as the Britishg are t oblame the USA. But the UK should lot at itself and wonder why your Emprie has shrunk, why people have revolted and why others what to separate from Britain. Neither of us are ange
Another false flag...
Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“if you believe you know more, I will attribute that to being British.”
Apr 18th, 2013 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Captain Poppy, 2013
I like this multi-facetted discussion, I almost feel an urge to have a go at Argentina for the dredging of the channels...
Does the British feel remorse for the Irish children the soldiers took aim and put rubber bullets through their skulls? If the Brits want to take the upper road....great, but the IRA did not form out of thin air for no reason at all. Were the IRA bombings a outragous tragedy....absolutely. But do not over look the innocent irish citizens dies at the hands of a soldiers rifle. The British can't sanitize and re paint history to their liking. At some point you must ask yourselves why have British colonies and territories throughout history revolted against the British empire?
Apr 18th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mar 16, 1968:
My Lai massacre takes place in Vietnam
On this day in 1968, a platoon of American soldiers brutally kill between 200 and 500 unarmed civilians at My Lai, one of a cluster of small villages located near the northern coast of South Vietnam.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/my-lai-massacre-takes-place-in-vietnam
Calley was paroled in 1974 after serving just one-third of his sentence.
http://img.lagaceta.com.ar/fotos/notas/2011/8/30/45270928-cartel-1.jpg
Apr 18th, 2013 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Perhaps tomorrow I will have to sit down in front of my children and tell them we lost, that we didn't know what to do in order to win.
But I could never look them in their eyes and tell them that they live like they do, because I didn't have the courage to fight.”
If you guys are going to throw eachothers brutal history in eachothers faces, this will be a long thread...
I think you british are acting like the Argentine's and taking a subject that has nothing to do with the article at hand. If you need to know what the American's people felt about the Vietnam war, read the unabashed history. American's by the MILLIONS protested every day of that war and died protesting as well. But you still have not anwsered my question, only asked another question. Yopu think nthing of those Irish children other than they deserved it by irnoring th question? Bringing up My Lai justifed the Irish children's deaths? How many Bristis AND Irish died is this is going to become and IRA article?
Apr 18th, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again this all, including the UK bomdings and IRA has nothing to do with the article. Obviously when humans are backed into a corner they divert....be it RG, South or North Americans and British. This all started because one brit said.....
“but I wonder if the people of Boston have given a thought to the collection boxes they used to have on their bar counters, collecting donations for the provisional IRA. That money was used to finance the bombs in Manchester, Omagh, Enniskillen, Warrington and London.”
THE PEOPLE.....millions, not some of the people.
BTW.....I can go all the back back when Britain was a world power and massacred Boston citizens that helped infuriated the colonists into a frenzy to hate the Redcoats that helped beat the Frech, that helped beat the Spaniards, that beat or Portguese.
Again your ass smells now better than mine because you are British.
History means shit to what's is versus what was.
We now trade with Germany
We now trade with Japan
We now trade with Vietnam
Well this degenerated into a slanging match, eh Captain.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And starting to get personal too!
Not the direction that l would have liked it to take, but, thats life.
As l said, we all have dark times in our past & no-one should point the finger at anyone else.
How far back in history do you want to go?
l could go on about how you Americans murdered the native peoples & stole their land. Or confined them to reservations while keeping the best land for yourselves.
Or how you invaded Canada in 1812 & apparently planned to do so again in the 1930's as has just come to light.
How you provoked a war with Spain to get their colonies, which then became American colonies.
How you waged war against the Filipino nationalists who thought you were liberating them from Spain.
Or Vietnam, or lraq, or...........
But whats the point?
Your past won't stand scrutiny either Captain.
At last Stevie has said something that makes sense.
Thank you Stevie.
No l don't think it will be too long a thread because we have other things to do.
But you're right. None of us are Angels.
“All US citizens that donated to the IRA, especially those in Irish communities and in Boston, should reflect that they paid for the same horrors that they brought to Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”
Apr 18th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
All US citizens that donated to the IRA should be proud for having prevented further pogroms within a sectarian apartheid state founded on stolen land.
One founded by colonial thieves intent on wiping out or subjugating their peaceful neighbors throughout history. A bstard statelet (now Failed) built on the concept of a protestant ruling class which would serve London. A land rigged for a pro-union majority, willing to overlook murder so long as it only happened to the right race/religion. Willing to participate in the burning and looting of civilian houses and beating and internment of the innocent based on where they lived and how they prayed. Wiling to 'lose' weapons and fire on civilians. An outright biased evil place which could only ever lead to the inevitable backlash, did Britain expect Ireland to be like the Chagos islanders?
N.Ireland forever stands out as a bloody and embarassing stain on Britains reputation.
A failure of epic proportions that has benefited Britain nothing.
All those who gave to the Ira supported freedom and prevented massacre. Good on you Boston.
All those who gave to the Ira supported freedom and prevented massacre. Good on you Boston.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody Friday:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2132219.stm
It will soon be the 35th Anniversary of the La Mon bomb outrage, one of the most horrific terrorist attacks in the IRA campaign of terror in Northern Ireland.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2132219.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/2132219.stm
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Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's every bloody friday in Iraq...
@76
Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be Muslims bombing fellow muslims at Prayer?
Shooting from helicopters makes a bloody mess too...
Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I could post 100 links, bloody sunday etc, but that ends up going nowhere.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This one exception however reminds me somewhat of another part of European history....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUKy29ZhP5Q
#73 your last sentence is correct. But this or any article should never digress from the topic as it can get messy when we all poinbt to skeletons in the closet.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79
Apr 18th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I could post 100 links, bloody sunday etc
Give it a go then for every British “ Atrocity” during the troubles I will give you 2 Republican
I Will start
Ira: We Regret Killing Baby But Not Her Father
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1989-10-28/news/8910283552_1_gunmen-regret-ira
IRA-KILL AUSTRALIANS ON HOLIDAY
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1989-10-28/news/8910283552_1_gunmen-regret-ira
Are we counting just North Ireland recent history or full island long term history? (famine while exporting food)
Apr 18th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(** If the above case you'll be needing examples in the millions)
Do state supported murders count? (political and otherwise) ?
Is there to be a total number count (i.e bloody sunday cost 14 innocent lives) ?
Do unacknowledged loyalist/British govt bombings south of the border count (i.e Dublin and monaghan bombings) ?
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This is a dark and somewhat disturbing game but very well.
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The killing of Kathleen Thompson
On 6 November 1971, Kathleen Thompson, was shot and killed while standing in her back garden by a British Army soldier from the 2nd Battalion Royal Green Jackets. The inquest into her death delivered an open verdict. No British Army soldier was ever prosecuted for her killing. After a nine year campaign her husband received a cheque from the British government for £84.07. He tore it up.
Are we now truning this thread into an IRA anti British thread? I know isolde liked to pull out the skeltons in #73.....stating that AMerica's past won't stand the scrutiny, but I suspect neither will Britians. I really hate bringing this into a “I am not anti Amerian....but you yanks are not as good as us highly morale Brits.” Because it we are digging up questionable pasts, 2000 characters will not cut it.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just let us know if you guys need a hand...
Apr 18th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nun killed by IRA Bomb
Apr 18th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19900728&id=os4zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6OsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5917,6486077
1974: Soldiers and children killed in coach bombing
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19900728&id=os4zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6OsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5917,6486077
John Dougal, age 16, shot in the chest by a British Army sniper.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(do I get to count loyalist paramilitaries ? ...you did say “ for every British...” which is a bit vague, especially given the British govt's and local ...ahem....“police force”.... links with loyalist paramilitaries )
Saturday 11 December 1971
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Irish Republican Army (IRA) killed four Protestant civilians in a bomb attack on a furniture shop on the Shankill Road in Belfast. Two of those who were killed in the explosion were children. The dead were: Hugh Bruce (70), Harold King (29), Tracey Munn (2) and Colin Nicholl (1).
Sunday 25 February 1973
A Catholic boy, Gordon Gallagher (9), was killed by a booby-trap bomb that had been planted by the Irish Republican Army (IRA) in Leenan Gardens, Derry
do I get to count loyalist paramilitaries
Having trouble finding British soldiers commiting murders? you did say you could find hundreds
Come come gentlemen
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heroes , geniuses , visionist , historians,
If we are going to blame the British or other nationals for the state of the earth,
Then surely we would have to stat at the very beginning.
Let us start with
[ape man]
Mmmmm
To much info for you,
How about Neanderthals, home sapiens ,
To much for you,
I know come forward a million years then,
Say Egypt 3.5 thousand years ago,
No
Lets try the roman empire , Greek , Egyptian , Persia ,
Let’s try slavery,
Empires, emperors ,
5 million years, and the brits still get the blame,
Even before they even existed,
I know lets come to the present day,
Ah yes, bombs terrorist ,
Do we know , ?????????????
When they do, you can have a go, until then,
The only bone of interest, is that the Falklands are British, they wish to remain British,
Now aint that something to be proud off,
Ah the future== well if anyone of you can predict this—please forward this weeks lottery numbers and I for one will be happy,
Now then was that not fun,
And the argie bloggers STILL don’t get it,
And they never will,
mmmmmmmmmmmmm
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An one final thought before I exit this thread. We in the USA have seen out share of bombings. We have the Christian Freaks at one point blowing up every abortion clin they can find. 1993 bombing ot the Twin Towers...first go at them. The Olympic bombings, the Oklahoma bombings and of course...not technically a bombing, but terrorists nontheless 9/11
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol ... ive no problem finding British soldiers committing murders...lmao...leaving out other countries and just focusing on N. Ireland.. its very easy, theres no shortage.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.
So I still don't know if civilian murders with collusion from British govt agencies count, or if unionist paramilitaries count...anyway...
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Margaret Gargan 13 years, Westrock Drive, Ballymurphy, west Belfast, shot dead on 9 July 1972, by members of the British Army’s Parachute Regiment.
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As a practicality here I'll post a bunch (cant find any lol) quickly as i don't have all day. so ...
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Fr. Noel Fitzpatrick 40 years, a Catholic priest in Ballymurphy, west Belfast, he was shot dead by British soldiers firing from concealed positions
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- Patrick Butler, age 39, shot in the head by a British Army sniper.
- John McKerr (49), shot while standing outside a Roman Catholic Church.
- Stephen Geddis age 10, Divis Flats, Falls Road, west Belfast, struck in the head by a plastic-bullet on 28 August 1975, fired by a member of the British army’s Royal Anglian Regiment.
- Carol Ann Kelly 12 years, Twinbrook, west Belfast, shot by a plastic bullet fired by a member of the British Army’s Royal Fusiliers.
- Pat Finucane, a human rights lawyer from Belfast who was murdered in front of his wife and children on 12 February 1989 by members of the UDA (edit: UDA/RUC/Mi5)
- Margaret Perry was murdered in 1991 by members of the British Army “Force Research Unit” after having an affair with FRU agent Gregory Burns.
- You can post in the 14 civilians in the bloody sunday massacre by the parachute regiment here yourself.
- Colm McCartney and John Farmer ordered to stop by a UDR/RIR patrol. Later found dead with gunshot wounds to the back of their heads.
- Alex Moorehead 16 Years, Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone, shot dead in Newtownstewart on 7 October 1972, by members of the British Army's Ulster Defence Regiment.
- This is a disturbing game, factual statistics would be less personal to the memories of the dead.
@ Vestige, Cant wait up all night for you so a little list for you to be getting on with, British murders mind and seeing as your having trouble I will allow off duty UDR and Police :-)
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Warrington bombing
Three-year-old Johnathan Ball and Tim Parry, 12, died. It injured 54 people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-21803246
1974: Bomb blast at the Tower of London
The dead woman has been named as Dorothy Household, 47, a librarian in Lewisham who was visiting with a friend and two children.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-21803246
The proxy bomb (also known as a human bomb) was a tactic used mainly by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) in Northern Ireland during the conflict known as “the Troubles”. It involved forcing people (including civilians, off-duty members of the British security forces, or people working for the security forces) to drive car bombs to British military targets, after placing them or their families under some kind of threat. The tactic was later adopted by FARC in Colombia[1] and by rebels in the Syrian civil war.[2] The tactic has been compared to a suicide bomb, although each bomber in these cases is coerced rather than being a volunteer
Sean Dalton was one of three people killed when a booby-trap bomb - intended for British soldiers - exploded in a flat in Kildrum Gardens in 1988. The 55 year-old and his 60 year-old neighbour, Sheila Lewis, were killed instantly in the blast ,while another man, Gerard Curran, died later from his injuries.
Tuesday 9 February 1971
Five men, two of them British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) engineers the others construction workers, were killed near a BBC transmitter on Brougher Mountain, County Tyrone in a landmine attack carried out by the Irish Republican Army (IRA). It was believed that their vehicle was mistaken for a British Army (BA) Landrover
@Captain Poppy,
Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See what you & l have started!
@74 Vestige,
Everything you said in post#74 would also be correct, if you substitute Argentine for British & Patagonia for Northern lreland.
Hypocrite!
You almost murdered an entire race!
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Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So did the Brits in North America. Add the black slaves to the equation as well.
You also implanted the Jews in Israel.
Shall we talk about the atrocities in India?
Or want to change course and visit Africa?
Tell you what, lets list our own atrocities instead of eachothers.
I'll take responsability for the atrocities made by Uruguay, as we are generalising like never before anyway.
We killed the Charrúas. Our first President was responsable for the genocide of a courageous people that died as they lived, in freedom. Regardless if Rivera was ultimately responsable, it was our fault for letting it happen.
We are also responsable for the slaughter on the Paraguayans in the war of the triple alliance. A shameful part in our short history. There is no words to express the pain inflicted on that brother nation.
Now, you list the British ones, and don't come up with “the Falklands”. The current inhabitants are Brits, as they declared themselves.
This should save me loads of time...
What a mess this thread is. I have no issues with Britain nor did I invoke the IRA, but I will and have defended my coutry, yet I am not a jingo nationalist nor think my country acts in dubious ways......South Americans need to also take a good look in the mirror and ask themselves what they have done. For all intents and purposes, there are almost no indigenous people in Argentina, Venezuela shoots it's natives for helicopters, Brazil has a nice history....and...and ...and...let's not forget all the Nazi war criminals that South America habored, afterall, it was only Jews, gypsys and fags they killed....you all do. are no better.....why? Your human.....and man is the most dangerous animal in the forest. It loves to kill.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/attack-on-boston-marathon-leaves-three-dead-17-critically-injured-and-fears-it-was-a-terrorist-bombing#comment239785: Left off you list:
Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reintroduced the French colonial administration into Viet Nam immediately following the end of WWII (we all know how that ended) as an attempted end run around the Atlantic Charter.
Attempted to re colonize Egypt in concert with France and Israel. Fortunately the US put a stop to the operation. What a mess that whole area is now.
The Reagan administration should have insisted on the Brazilian / US option at the time of the Malvinas war. Had it not been for Cold War considerations it probably would have. If it had both the UK and Argentina would be in better shape than they are now.
@86
Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0do I get to count loyalist paramilitaries ?
Well from that can I assume that you know that some NI folk don’t buy into the united Ireland gig in fact about two thirds of the population.
Gordon Hamilton Fairley DM, FRCP (20 April 1930 – 23 October 1975) was a professor of medical oncology. Born and raised in Australia, he moved to the United Kingdom where he studied and worked. He was killed by an IRA bomb
You can post in the 14 civilians in the bloody sunday massacre by the parachute regiment here yourself
The Omagh bombing (Irish: Buamáil an Ómaigh) was a car bomb attack carried out by the Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA), a splinter group of former Provisional Irish Republican Army members opposed to the Good Friday Agreement, on Saturday 15 August 1998, in Omagh, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland.[7] Twenty-nine people died as a result of the attack and approximately 220 people were injured.
@93 Stevie,
Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh l completely agree, you'll get no argument from me there.
As l said, if you were paying attention Stevie, we ALL have dark pasts.
Every single nation on this planet has committed crimes of some form or other.
l was merely pointing this out to Vestige@post#74 who was just trying to score cheap points.
Yes l agree. You forgot a few too. l'll leave that for you to ferret out.
One of the reasons that Uruguay hasn't committed more crimes would be that they've never been a world power & are too small to seek an empire.
Thats nothing against Uruguay by any means. Just fact.
Perhaps you would like to show how unbiased you are a list a few atrocities from other countries other than Britain.
Or is that what turns you on?
Perhaps how Joshua's men put Jericho to the sword, or how the lrish raided the west coast of Britain in the 6th century or how the Mongols sacked Baghdad in the 13th.
Life moves on.
But who can tell the future, Stevie?
Who could have fortold 100 years ago that China, mired in superstition, backward & in grinding poverty would one day be on their way to being a super power.
What atrocities will they carry out?
And so?
@94 Captain Poppy,
And l would add to that. Man is the most disgusting creature on this planet.
'Man is the most disgusting creature on this planet.'
Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0But luckily, Isolde, woman is the most desirable creature on the planet.
The problem is with only half the species.
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In big number terms, the big world's big genocides were ... *including 'Argentina'* :
1 million>Indians, by Americans in the USA (1620-1890)
1 million>Carib indians by Spaniards in the West Indies (1492-1600)
1 million>Indians by Spaniards in Cent. & South America (1498-1824)10 million>Jews, gypsies, Poles, Russians by Nazis in Europe (1939-45)
10 million>political opponents by Russians in Russia (1929-39)
1 million>Armenians by Turks in Armenia (1915)
1 million>Bengalis by Pakistan in Bangladesh (1971)
1 million>Cambodians by Khmer Rouge in Cambodia (1975-79)
... and this excludes real wars!
My heart-felt anger at the IRA-USA link was because of just 1 death.
I, here, put that one death in perspective.
My apologies for 'feeding the fire'.
Geoff
Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“including Argentina” - Where?
”by Americans in the USA (1620-1890)” - Not the British? 1620?
You're getting there, you are being less selective by the minute. Still some way to go though...
@98 GeoffWard2,
Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geoff, you knew, of course when l said “man” l meant human beings which included women.
There have been some despicable women butchers too.
(although l have met a lot of disgusting men, l've met quite a few nice ones too)!
I hate to be a ball buster........but Americans in 1620 were PILGRIMS that left England. We were not independent until the Revolutionary War. So I think the England get to share that top honor along with the introduction of the slave trade that proved extremely profitable for the English merchants.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will agree that the Americans slaughtered their share of native Americans in the late 1800's during the American Indian Wars. But to add to that list
Aborigines in Australia
Zulu's in Africa
Spainards and the Inca's
63,000,000 are linked to Mao Zedong
As many as 60,000,000 are linked to Stalin
Hiter's final solution 20,000,000?
Tojo seems to elude credit for as many as 5,000,000
Pol Pot 25% of his own population
Atlantic slave trade estimates 16,000,000
Great Famine of Bristish India....27,000,000
Ethnic cleansing in Europe
Rwanda Civil War
The list endless.
Stevie #99
Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'... the big world's big genocides were ... *including 'Argentina'* :
1 million>Indians by Spaniards in Cent. & South America (1498-1824)'
It might not be so bad - it might be just 1,000,000 .... but it could be as high as 10,000,000.
It only fails to reach Stalin and Hitler's high scores because the population available to kill was smaller.
The South American kill-score is the same range as Diamond calculates for North America where the Europeans did it for the native indians there across present-day Mexico, the USA and Canada .. particularly, of course, in the USA.
But, through much of the North, the remnants were given some protection in reservations. In South America, the process of erradication gently continues through the years to this very day.
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Yes, Isolde, I knew what you meant ... of course!
But I think that, even if women leaders/warriors could fight their way into power against warrior men, their butchery would focus on beefsteaks, lamb-shoulder and pork loins.
Did the Amazons really exist?
(And trust me, my pal, as men go I'm one of the reeely nice ones ;-)
Geoff
Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although the Argentine government at the time did commit a genocide against the indigenoud population, we aren't talking any millions here. Just like the Brits up north, the Spaniards didn't leave many left.
All¨in all, 30 million souls paid with their lives in whole America. And even if you lot historically blame lack of immunity from diseases, we all know the only thing they Ameroindians lacked immunity against, was gun fire.
If you are going to use their death as an argument, at least show some respect and have the decency to start with critisizing your own actions.
Is that right ? Am I about to get quoted a newspaper survey ?
Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In any case you might find that people wouldn't be quick to bring about the fairly strong chance of civil war by changing a notoriously delicate peace.
So it may be the case that its easier to keep the status quo and vote against any major change. (all while holding zero loyalty to Britain but happily accepting its block grant of millions annually - rent a citizen)
How could I think such a thing? - looks from here like 4 of the 6 counties in N.Ireland vote majority republican and less than half the population identifies as British. (census results btw). This is why you guys can't even keep your flag on the Belfast council building.
But again, why risk civil war and upheaval now that theres peace especially given that changing the border would inevitably lead to a new loyalist version of the Ira, as they have warned.
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I won't be posting the details of any further tragedies from North of Irelands history here, they're easily found online if thats what you're into, its all a bit too personal.
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I believe you could find two Ira caused civilian deaths for every British army one, however seeing as the Ira was much more active than the British army (out of necessity) this is unsurprising, what is interesting though is the civilian casualty rate which was 52% civilian deaths for every death caused by the British army...
(This had a big slant towards Catholics or people coming from republican areas i.e racial murders)
...versus, 36% for the Ira.
(B.A civilian casualties of 258 Catholic vs 32 Protestants - doesn't strike me as accidental)
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Also unsurprising is that the Ira were more active, given the extremely high civilian deaths caused by the loyalist paramilitaries targeting their community
(equal to Ira civilian casualties, yet Britons are strangely unaware of this)
Inactivity wasn't a choice for republicans or the catholic community in general.. see my first link.
So heres to Noraid and Boston.
The aargentine government did such a great job that there are literally almost no native people left in argentina. Also ever see a black in Atentina? COnsidering that Buenos Aires was the import center of SA for slaves and almost no blacks. I've been there more times to count and never saw one black man or woman. WHy?
Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vast majority of black males went to war. The statistics of black v. white deaths in wars clearly show that the slaves were only used as cannon fodder. The Afro Argentines were also made to fight the Amerindians (Indians) who were despised by the Argentines as well, effectively and systematically murdering off two of it’s ethnic groups.
Very efficient Argentina....perhaps you taught the Nazi's all they knew on exterminating human species as an insect.
@104
Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you admit you were talking bollox “Well I could post 100 links, bloody sunday etc” nice to hear :-)
#104 asshole.....Boston did not support the IRA......people in Boston did. The distinction is significant. ANy organization who's use of force specically targets inncoent people is criminal, and deserves an agonizing penalty....be it the IRA, AL Quada, the PLO, FARC etc. They all have a problem with the democratic process and want things their way and NOW. We all need to work together to find a way to eradicate these so called revolutionaires that only kill and cause mayhem and carnage....in the name of democracy while tossing the democratic processes aside.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
Apr 19th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have killed more people in most of your wars against humanity than Argentina ever did in its history...
I can can count the people that I've killed. Make sense and not latino sense.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0109
Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You stop generalising all of the sudden?
I can count the people that Argentina killed as well. As a country, about none. Countries don't kill, people do.
You need to make a decision here. Generalising or not, selective generalisation is not going to help you...
ME personally as you stated I killed more people. I am not generalizing. You want to know my personal body count you fucking slag. War is not genocide......it's and end to a political failure.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you mean American Wars we've been involved......it's a tradegy.....but not a genocide.
I think that I've identified a major common complexity to all(?) the above postings.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It can be summarised by this question:
“When does a person become called an Argentinian/US citizen/Australian/Canadian/Brasilian?”
When he leaves his homeland?
When he settles the new country?
When he produces offspring in the new country?
When he is a second generation inhabitant in the new country?
When he gets his Green Card/Passport?
When he swears allegance to the Flag?
When he starts benefiting from the new country's social provision/pays his taxes?
If he carves out a ranch ... he is an Argentinian/American/Australian
If he kills indiginants (actively or passively) ... he is a Spaniard/Brit/European.
So he can be - at one and the same time - a new country citizen AND an old country citizen.
We chose which he is simply to support our argument and standpoint.
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We've all had a good set of postings and we all know each other's point of view; shall we call 'time' on this?
aye aye.....but don't expect that from lil stevie. He is indoctrinated and blinded in his hatred of everyone white and not latam
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm the only one here that has repeatedly stated that us Uruguayans are the ones responsible for our own atrocities. You lot point 10 fingers at eachother. And a couple of toes.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poopy
Murder, torture, raping... All in all, a constant, never-ending genocide of humanity. That's USA for you
;)
Exactly :-)
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AaaahhhhHHHH
Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And god said to the stupid humans,
Why o why did you press all the nukie red buttons and destroyed the whole fxcking human race
Could you not sort ya fxcking differences peacefully ya fools,
Sorry came the reply,
Its in our fxcking nature to destroy each other.
Well thank Christ I let mr Briton live,
Sensible chap, said god.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Why I did try…??
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Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done to all Boston for its support of the freedom fighting Ira in their pursuit for justice and democracy, against the imperial artificial planter population camping in N.Ireland as in other places around the world.
Untold numbers were saved from further pogroms and genocide by the twisted sectarian faux statelet, thanks to their new ability to bear arms, heres to BOSTON and its huge support for Noraid.
And to the massive support from all across the USA.
“I'm the only one here that has repeatedly stated that us Uruguayans are the ones responsible for our own atrocities. You lot point 10 fingers at eachother. And a couple of toes.”
Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one, British, American anyone here have denied “our skeletons”. You just do not understand english. The thing with your murdering government......it kills it's own people rather than it's enemy. I think I would choose killing an enemy over it's own citizens.
No one in the USA sopports the IRA, they are virtually dead. Go shake another bee nest........You may get English and AMerican's bitching at one another, but you can't drive a nail between them. Try another course vestige
Poppy, you are as responsible for the killing of indigenous people as we are.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least you don't discriminate, you lot kill anything with a pulse...
You can try to divide South America, you may even get us arguing and calling eachother names. But you will never succeed with your agenda.
I'd hug a porteño in all his arrogance before touching you lot with a spoon.
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Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very nasty aint you..
well ya coffin is calling you,
so why dont you sleep,
have dreams but just dont wake up.
haters of everything good like you are not welcome in heaven,
its hell for you boy.
p/s
when you meat stalin or hitler give our love wont cha..
Well done to all Boston for its support of the freedom fighting Ira
Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Friday 26 May 1972
The Irish Republican Army (IRA) planted a bomb in Oxford Street, Belfast which killed a 64 year old woman
Monday 31 July 1972
The Irish Republican Army (IRA) exploded three car bombs in Claudy, County Derry killing six people instantly while a further three people died of their injuries over the next 12 days. Five of those who were killed were Protestant civilians while the other four were Catholic civilians
The thread is old talking to cabeza's and boliguayans is like talking to walls. Oops perhaps it's mestizos?
Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah I guess you got me with the Indians........but come on...they where only indians....in the words of an Argentine.
these argies like to change the subject,
Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the texas explosion was even worse than boston,
not the same of course but sad just the same.
Yes a fertilizer plant ....a terrorists dream chemicals. And they do not not the catalyst yet. It's been a shit week yet we carry on.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0good news
Apr 20th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Boston marathon bombs suspect captured
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22228151
Lets hope he dont escape, gets to the UK and we dont give him back to the Americans ;-)
U.S. COURT BLOCKS I.R.A. EXTRADITION
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22228151
If he escapes and runs to Britain, which I am sure every Chechynan terrorists would flee to, you can have him.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, so the Yanks and Brits aren't such close-knit lovers after all...
Apr 20th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yawn!!!!!
Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0somewhat closer than CFK and hugo ever was.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you realize that you have an obsession for CFK? Just wanted to point that out.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Allies had an obsession with hitler as well. Same kind.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah CFK is just like Hitler. Your maturity suprizes me! Doesn't seem like your government has a problem with having Saudi Arabia as an ally, a country that stones women to death.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As mature as ....“Wow, so the Yanks and Brits aren't such close-knit lovers after all....”
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the exception of genocide and I believe if she could she would, she is as fanatical as hitler.
However you are correct, we are whores to oil and pact with middle east. I can't deny that. However kirchner is vile and corrupt, even your own Dilma knows that.
# 132 - Those who lived through fascism in Italy and Germany would vomit at your comparison. Say what you want about her, I don't like her either but I don't obssess about her because it's not my country, but comparing her to Hitler is outrageous. Did you not see the giant protest they had in Argentina the other day? If she was anything like Hitler all those people would be in a concentration camp right now. She is populist and there is corruption in her government, but that has nothing to do with fascism.
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