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‘The Argentine joke’ and Cristina Fernandez as Pinocchio, headlines of Brazil’s influential magazine Veja
One of Brazil’s most influential magazines and with the largest circulation, Veja, included a controversial piece which questions Argentina’s economic and social statistics than come under the responsibility of the non less famous Indec. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“falsifying history is in fact one of the characteristics of the (Argentine) national culture”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0.........You can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time..........
@1 toooldtodieyoung
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0....unless they're argentine.
This house of cards has well and truly fallen down.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It seems time is up when the Argentine economy is in terminal decline before the latest default thats about to happen and Argentina's only remaining allies have become so fed up with Argentina's behavior they are all now turning on Argentina. Bullies always get found out and eventually the pendulum swings back on itself.
It's going to take Argentina tens of years to recover from the current government.
“It is going to be fun to follow this tragic comedy from the balcony” It is fun to watch, to think an entire nation voted in a president without an ounce of business acumen. They deserve everything that is coming to them and the people of the Falklands will get a ring-side seat.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another sterling example of South American unity here 'Stevie'
Looks like a time is not too far off when even the convenient Los Malvinas distraction is not going to work for her. Hard times ahead for them, long overdue peace and quiet for the islanders. Know where my sympathis lie!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The thread of lies starts to unravel. Even the rest of SA can see through the smoke and mirrors so why cant the population of Argentina?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I bet Think and the rest of his/her friends are currently awaiting instructions on how to deny that this article ever existed and, as more and more average Brazilians wake up to Argentinas games, eventually they will rename Brazil and claim that the Brazilians are an implanted european population occupying land that has been usurped from Argentina and will cite CFK/Timmerman speeches as undeniable proof.
Best Sitcom available and we dont need to pay for it!
“””“Cristina Kirchner with her economic stats does the same as her militants with history facts, a coarse manipulation of reality” says Veja adding crudely that “falsifying history is in fact one of the characteristics of the (Argentine) national culture”“”“”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
How long before the CFK Troops arrive to tell us its all a UK plot... Brits own the magazine, the author is Maggies grandson and, by next week, “It never happened!”.
@7 Anbar
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot to add that they'll say that Brazil and all of South America are behind Argentina 100%, blah, blah, blah.
They truly believe that if they say it often enough it will magically come true.
Anyone able to tell me what the reaction is in Argentina towards the recent money laundering stories? Is it being accepted or are people dismissing it a smear tactics?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the argie trolls?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oops no reaction! Must be true then.
Words can't do justice to the “Hahahahaha” I am feeling right now. Dam you know I'm going to have to copy this image and repost it all over the net.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well it's official; if the Brazilians are poking fun at Argentina its game over.
@11 Treat yourself to the full size image here.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/ricardo-setti/files/2013/03/Economia-Argentina.jpg
Its Jiminy Cricket I feel sorry for
Don't be too hard on them! Things are improving.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0A British flagged LNG tanker - 'The British Emerald' unloaded a shipment at Bahia Blanca last week. So It would seem that the Gaucho Rivero law has been repealed. ; )
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-04-16/argentina-to-get-spot-lng-cargo-from-trinidad-at-bahia-blanca
And it just keeps getting better and better :)
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0...running out of popcorn here!
http://www.eltrecetv.com.ar/periodismo-para-todos/14-de-abril-periodismo-para-todos_060552
You can't run Argentina if people aren't afraid of you.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I predict this will end spectacularly!
Anyone know who is planning the CFK retirement event?
@9
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesnt matter too much to CFK voters in the Villas. They always knew the politicians were corrupt. Just as long as they keep getting their paycheck they won't give a damn.
Of course the government media channels arent talking about it and its all over TN and Clarin etc. The government had deliberately stifled shipment of Clarin papers to Santa Cruz, Tucuman and and San Juan (and probably more) yesterday according to Clarin.
--“Cristina Kirchner with her economic stats does the same as her militants with history facts, a coarse manipulation of reality” says Veja adding crudely that “falsifying history is in fact one of the characteristics of the (Argentine) national culture”, says Veja.--
too true.
Ooops sorry, think i was wrong at 13. Just read up on provisions of Gaucho law.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another turnip for Snr Thinks patch. Doh!
#14. Me too... This is better than a telenovela
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0#5 It is a useful distraction and reminds me of what the current leader of North Korea is doing, obviously in a milder manner.
#9. Just about everyone in Argentina lives by using the underground economy One of the typical questions you are asked when buying in a shop is ”¿Con o sin boleta? (With or without receipt)
Slightly surprised that the mag didn't change its name from “Veja” to “Vieja” just for this edition...
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its all just like North Korea. The masses in Rgland are just like the brainwashed population in NK, yet they dont seem to realise that they are living a fantasy, a massive tissue of lies fed to them by a controling government who are seriously mismanaging the economy and diverting attention by wittering on about a false claim to the Falkland Islands.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I saw this graphic earlier this month. Also, there was a special last night about how the K's launder their money. Corrupt bastards. May they burn in hell.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you mean almost the entire political class. The fact that Menem is still a politician says it all.
'Thatcher Funeral: Argentina Rejects Its Invite - Argentinian ambassador Alicia Castro declines her invitation to attend tomorrow's ceremonial service at St Paul's Cathedral.'
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.sky.com/story/1078694/thatcher-funeral-argentina-rejects-its-invite
I've got no problem with them rejecting their invite, we didn't really want them there anyway. Besides they have enough to do putting their own house in order.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that the graphic says they have about $12 bn less in reserves than official figures. Very interesting.
What do you expect from this right wing rag?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course they are happy to indulge in this kind of smear mongering at the behest of their oligarchic masters.
Seeing as the trolls are too shy to show up on this one.
How did I do?
25. You forgot adding something about the new world order and the neo-liberal banksters.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But otherwise it's a good first try!
I'm thinking of setting that picture as my computer desktop background
Apr 16th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh the article is from Veja? The most anti-argentine publication on the planet?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Veja is a toilet paper brand in Argentina, and not a very good one at that.
`This is all the fault of fifth columnists from the Falkland Islands !`
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Have the trolls tried this one yet ?)
And what the fuck is Argentina's culture of any concern to the Brits, Americans, Chileans, Uruguayans, Brazilians, or any other here?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do “magazines” and papers” from Europe, North America, and Latin America have this obsession with writing pieces about Argentina?
Almost invariably all your nations are falling apart from economic depression. political secession, riots, terrorism and mass shootings, or narco-guerillas.
Worry about your own goddanm problems, you have plenty of them.
lol, John's mad
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one, john, except Zimbabwe, is as fucked up as Argentina. THAT is why we laugh at you and write articles about you.
It's like, “hey our shit is fucked up.......but at least we're nowhere near as bad as Argentina”. Makes us feel a lot better about things when we can look at your disaster country.
I'm so glad that Veja is “the most anti-argentine publication on the planet”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whew, it's not Mercopress or a British or US publication. But a fellow Mercosur member and Latin American brother.
Poor Jiminy!
@ john
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to add to 31 post:
plus, its just plain fuckin hilarious!
First Uruguay, now Brazil and The US Congress all calling a spade a spade and it looks like it has upset La Campora
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My my
Hefty overestimate of reserves, real “physical” reserves in US$ is estimated at 8 billion!!!!!!!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not mad, I just laugh and feel sorry at the world wide hatred of Argentina. Except for the Falkland Islanders who have a genuine gripe, I don't get why the rest of you pathetic lot have such a vested burning antipathy.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 yes we do have our own problems, but at least we can read about yours and be thankful we are not Argentinian. Puts our troubles in perspective really.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm not mad, I just laugh and feel sorry at the world wide hatred of Argentina. ”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Veja article is not about hate.
It is about truth...and truth is love.
Peace brother, the world loves you.
And I'm glad I'm not any of you. I can go to school and not get 30 bullets in me, I can go to the Vendimia parade and not have my legs and arms ripped off by a blast, I can travel the entire country and not hear one clamor of independence, no IRA no ETA. I can drive on a road and not be kidnapped by narcos into a jungle never to be seen again, or simply decapitated. I don't see helicopters of rich people flying over slums as bad as Calcutta. I can go into a movie theater and mall and not panic at the sound of a popped balloon. My economy has not had three recessions in 5 years. People of color can walk the streets without being physically assaulted because they have “slanted” eyes or are “brown”.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You people are so ridiculous, if things were so bad in Argentina in violence, economic riots, crime, or hunger, we would be on the real news (television) around the world. We are not.
Keep dreaming haters, that you are better off.
#39
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can go to school
Well, that about sums it up !
lol John mad and butthurt. Argentina crumbling. You'd sell a kidney to get to USA/UK.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina thinks the world is against it, but its really just Argentina against the world. Like a crazy person who thinks everyone else is insane, and he's the only sane one.
Toby,
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I can drive on a road and not be kidnapped by narcos”
Well you don't live in Argentina then.
Your government stopped recording kidnap stats years ago because they were too shameful.
A kidnap in Argentina every 48hrs?!?!
http://www.clarin.com/crimenes/Argentina-denuncia-secuestro-horas_0_346765458.html
“I don't see helicopters of rich people flying over slums as bad as Calcutta”
and you haven't been to BA either.
Where is it you pretend to live?
I wonder where Toby actually lives. I moved back to the USA because of the kidnappings, commando assaults, cars being boxed in, street crime and crumbling infrastructure.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I know it has gotten a lot worse since then
Of course no gov't crime stats for years now
and no one complains
@John Troll the 3rd, How you can say that we hate Argentines when we kindly invited Alicia Castro to Lady Thatcher's funeral, if we hated we would not have invited your country to such a historic event our dear lady Thatcher a great war leader although it might have been a little uncomfortable for Alicia to be sitting there as the defeated party.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 people of color can't walk the streets - because you killed them all.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, you CAN:
Watch as your leaders empty the people's pockets into their Swiss bank accounts
Drown in the rain as the infrastructure crumbles around you
Cringe as your Government makes an ass of itself (and by extension each and every one of you) on the world stage
Hide from the repo man trying to impound any asset that strays out of Argentina
But at least you have your superiority complex to insulate you from the truth like a comfort blanket.
@39 Seriously?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I was in Mendoza a few weeks ago with friends from Bs As I went for a walk with one of the women. As is usual for me I got us completely lost and we ended up in a rough area. I was cool about just finding our way back but my Argentinian friend was really scared. She lectured me on not understanding how dangerous it is in Argentina and that we were at high risk. Insecurity and inflation are the two biggest worries for Argentineans.
As for racism. I had never heard such overt racism as in Bs As. I am not sure where you live or what bubble you inhabit but it ain't the fairy tale you are telling us.
$6. Rgs are very prejudiced against their own kind! If someone looks a little indigenous ( Provinces) or mulatto ( mainly from Uruguay/Brazil) they are outright rude and violent with them.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have witnessed old ladies getting pushed off the bus/train because they are darker than the Rgs this is acceptable.
They also don't let them in Hotels or nice Restaurants. They are eiher barred entry altogether or are harassed enough to leave on their own.
I was shocked!
It is shameful!
I have told all my “darker skinned” friends not to bother going to Argentina just go to Brazil and you'll have a better time.
Toby troll, you demonstrate perfectly how little you know about Rgland. Its a dangerous shithole! You darent walk anywhere after dark, the cartoneros are everywhere. The whole place is crumbling, nothing works the roads railways and buses are rubbish. Its dangerous, Lots of it stink. Go there and see for yourself.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0John Troll the Third - I think you are totally mistaken when you state your belief that we all hate Argentina. I do not detect any hatred towards Argentina and I certainly don't hate Argentina.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem for Argentina is its pretences attract derision. We laugh at Argentina because of its arrogance and beliefs! It is no longer politically correct to use the phrase “third world country” but that is what Argentina is - politically and culturally!
“”“And I'm glad I'm not any of you. I can go to school and”“”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and all together now... ”It isnt our fault, its somebody else fault, its worse elsewhere, its perfect in Argentina, What corruption? We're all brothers united (except those that arent) blah blah blah blah blah blah blah”.
its NEVER Argentina's fault!!!!!
corrupt kleptomaniacs with fake lawyer degrees, destroying the economy and living fat off the workers of their nation...even if they are all illegal implanted squatters..
But everywhere else, and everything else, is fa r worse outside of Argentina..
So that's all right then!
(what a bunch of numpti-foos)
49.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The problem for Argentina is its pretences attract derision.”
Very true.
39. if things were so bad in Argentina in violence, economic riots, crime, or hunger, we would be on the real news
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Methinks you spoke too soon.
Argentina: The Next Egypt?
Widely believed to have been driven by dissatisfaction with government and the wide gaps in income levels, additional ingredients such as political corruption, human rights violations, inflation, kleptocracy and unemployment ignited unrest which led to revolution.
While there are minor differences, these five components are also apparent in Argentina as they were in China resulting in the revolution at Tiananmen Square in 1989 China and the Arab Spring.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-nelson/argentina-the-next-egypt_b_3087977.html
@JT the turd
Apr 16th, 2013 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are obviously an over protected schoolboy driven to his private school by his mommy who doesn´t have a clue about life on the streets of BsAs
There are daily car jackings, muggings & home invasions.......the Government had to introduce the National Guard to protect train stations because they have become too unsafe to travel (& because the Provincial & Federal police are too corrupt to do their jobs)
Strikes & protests regularly close down General Paz highway & 9 de Julio Ave., & if you are unlucky enough to be stopped near Villa 31 you will be attacked by marauding delinquents at any time of day whilst sitting in your car (a.k.a. S. Africa)
There is a least one tragedy per month (a.k.a. Once & La Plata floods) that cause many deaths due to the lack of infrastructure spending because of all the politicians lining their pockets
There is weekly football hooliganism which is totally out of control & sponsored by ´futbol para todos´ which is a complete propaganda machine for CFK
Meanwhile a peaceful island population have voted overwhelmingly to remain British & not Argentinian ........ hmmmmmm......... I wonder why???
It is impossible that Toby is so ignorant of what goes on in Argentina.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is just not feasible.
Therefore:
(a) he doesn’t live there; or
(b) he is “the child fiction marionette whose nose kept growing for not saying the truth”.
@39 ´ I don't see helicopters of rich people flying over slums as bad as Calcutta´
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK flies over Villa 31 when she commutes between Olivos & Casa Rosada in her helicopter........... you definitely don´t live in Arg
@39
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I can go to the Vendimia parade and not have my legs and arms ripped off by a blast”
Maybe, but you do a good job of shooting your own foot off.
My personal experiences were:
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst travelling on my own, I had no problem and wandered around being pretty care free and not really thinking getting mugged. When asked I always said I was Welsh and not English.
When going back there with my wife, she started pointing out that I should keep a look out when in a taxi at the traffic lights so that people didn't steal any luggage we had in the boot. To always make sure that one of us was in a taxi before we put our luggage in, in case it tried to drive off (same rule to be applied when getting out). Top take off my cignet ring, wedding ring and watch and leave them in England. To never take my phone out with me, to never take my wallet out with me (only take money in cash and make sure that it is hidden in appropriate pockets). To try and ape the way Argentineans walk and not look up whilst walking around in case I get spotted as a foreigner. Make sure that if taking money out of my pocket that I don’t count how much I have left, just make sure that I shove it back in my pocket asap. We don’t go to retiro anymore, we only fly out of BA as the bus station is seen as being too dangerous. All this from an Argentinean leftie. I have to say, just being there at times in quite tiring. I love the place but I find this element quite annoying.
In all fairness, Argentina overall is a beautiful country with incredible resources, tremendous agricultroal capacity and a fairly well educated population.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What perhaps infuriates the rest of the world is that it's people continue to elect corrupt kleptomaniac thieves with the morals of gypsies. Don't you get it? You have everything to be one of the top nations non earth and yet you have decided to throw it away and steal from other nations.
That's not to say that your neighbors are not without their own problems, including Chile, but why don't you open your eyes and accept reality?
@39
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And I'm glad I'm not any of you. I can go to school and not get 30 bullets in me”. Spoke too soon.
http://tn.com.ar/policiales/asesinaron-a-un-estudiante-en-la-plata_383288
What a conk!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the fact the last 20 replies were futile attempts to discredit @39 is the proof that I was spot on.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truth hurts.
Succinct and trenchant.
And you have been duly discredited.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arab Spring maybe Alba (inc Arg) Winter
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be fun to watch
ratatattat ratatattat
@28 “Veja is a toilet paper brand in Argentina, and not a very good one at that.” But is it more popular than the currency? Although, I suppose, the currency is slightly less well-designed for wiping arses. Even though it has no other useful purpose.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 It's very important to try to “understand” the useless, fucked-up parts of the planet. If for no other reason than to recall something extinct. Although not generally publicised, the aim is to take the white, colonial “masters” of argieland and turn them into fertiliser. At the end of the process, the territory will be returned to its proper Amerindian owners. Half-caste collaboraters will be treated in the same way as the invading genocides.
@36 We just have a rooted objection to fakes. Like your lot pretending to be human beings.
@39 That's nice for you. Why do you go to “school”? Do you learn anything except what you already know? I wish you luck with not getting 30 bullets pumped into you or having your arms and legs ripped off. Doesn't that depend on you being on the “correct” side? Of course you can't be kidnapped into a jungle. You've cut it all down. “People of color can walk the streets without being physically assaulted.” Of course. They are “curiosities”.
”if things were so bad in Argentina in violence, economic riots, crime, or hunger, we would be on the real news (television) around the world.“ You misunderstand. You're not that important and we don't care. Top yourselves by the tens of thousands every day, if you wish. Our reaction? Could you manage hundreds of thousands per day?
@49 I think you're a little mistaken. Argie scum killed 255 British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders. And how much have they paid for those war crimes? Haven't seen any sign of the proper payment of £258 billion. Or the £100,000 per corpse per day for ”grave“ occupancy.
@12 Hahahahahahahahahah. You ”respond“, we ”discredit”. Question. How do you feel? How does it feel to be a totally useless prat?
@61 Troll
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We love the way you have kept changing your aliases over the last few months, but at the end of it all you still spout the same old, same old rubbish!
I think the fact the last 20 replies were futile attempts to discredit @39 is the proof that I was spot on.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only in the Bizarre mind of the Rgs
The rest of us see it for what it is
What Nostril/Toby is:
Apr 16th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a young, niave, Argentine virgin, who has stumbled across a website where he sees a whole lot of “foreigners” taking the piss out of his country.
Because he is a young, niave, Argentine virgin he has decided to “take on” the piss takers out of a sense of “national pride”, however misplaced it might be. That in some ways is understandable.
However, because he is a young niave Argentine virgin, what he can't see past is that most people 99.9 % of the non-Latam world, couldn't give a shit about Argentina, and the rest only care due to their obsession with the Falklands or their debt default...,massively biased towards the Falkands.
So instead of seeing this website for what it predominantly is, a whole bunch of folks who like taking the piss out of a handful of Argentine politicians due to their gobsmacking hypocrisy, corruption and threats...(whilst simultaneously piss taking out of the various “Malivinistas” on these boards)....our niave, Argentine virgin has taken it as evidence of a massive international hatred and obsession with Argentina.
It is exactly that narcissism and self-obsession, exactly that rather pathetic inability to self-depreciate that is evident in the policies of CFK and her joke of a government.
However, as he is a young, niave, Argentine virgin we should cut him some slack. Maybe he will grow out of it and stop being such a spotty deluded muppet when he gets a bit older.
Nostril, if you don't believe anything else anyone writes here...if Argentina withdrew its Falklands claim tomorrow, by Thursday, the number of posters on MP by next week would be about five.
Rather than an international campaign of hatred against Argentina...you'd be amazed at how little anyone gives a shit about your silly little country.
@67 He's the little twerp who equated the Poles in WW2 with Saddam Hussein in a childish fit of whataboutery. The victims of fascism who filled mass graves == the fascist who filled mass graves. Disgusting little brat.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@67 Monkeymagic.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is “naive”, even! But he is just another arrogant Argentine troll who only merits derision (and pity?) for his immaturity NOT hatred! I wonder how much influence La Cámpora has?
I thought the picture was a photograph!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice legs as well!
I bet BK is using up his tissues by the boxful.
LOLs
@67
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And have you wonder why I or any argies never post in British, European, or North American websites?
Because your countries are even more insignificant to us. You matter not an speck from our point of view, so far away and messed up economically and politically, and most of you the size of a frontier argie province.
Timmerman will be sending another letter of protest to another fraternal friend.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He probably has a stock pile and just fills in the latest name.
I guess I can post twice!! LOL
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the news, absolutely no coverage of the US elections last year, nothing about the cold wave in Europe, nothing about China bird flu, the Australian catastrophes, the Mexican or Brazilian violence, nothing about the Boston Bombings. It affects us or concerns us in the slightest.
Exactly trolly
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But what does seem to concern your government is OUR Falklands. It concerns them an inordinate amount of time...so much so that it is critical to their entire foreign policy.
If we are so insignificant to Argentina, why does your ridiculous Botox ridden harpie of a head of State keep on demanding to “negotiate” with us!!
You are quite welcome to your North Korean dream...leave the islanders alone and fuck off.
more brainwashing...
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Malvinas, between dictatorship and democracy - The National Coordinator of the Network for Social Commitment Falklands veteran Orlando on Easter, coordinate a panel at the “Malvinas, between dictatorship and democracy”
It is aimed at secondary school teachers and students focente training across the country. “The purpose for schools to participate more intensively in thinking about sovereignty Argentina in the Malvinas and South Atlantic on the occasion of the 180th anniversary of the usurpation” Easter said. The seminar is designed as an opportunity to access historical debates, political and cultural differences around the Falklands, on one hand, and the experiences and challenges of teaching, on the other.'
http://www.momarandu.com/amanoticias.php?a=7&b=0&c=129819
'Falklands: the government denounced the use of missiles
Protested new British military exercises in the islands that began yesterday, letter to the embassy'
http://www.momarandu.com/amanoticias.php?a=7&b=0&c=129819
'Falklands Oil & Gas jumps 2% on positive survey update
Seismic study gives more data than expected and prompts encouraging comments from analysts'
http://www.momarandu.com/amanoticias.php?a=7&b=0&c=129819
'Argentina does not send representatives to the funeral of Thatcher
Argentina's ambassador in Britain did not go to the ceremony tomorrow, after veto the presence of Cristina Kirchner'
http://www.momarandu.com/amanoticias.php?a=7&b=0&c=129819
@73
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You yourselves Brits are the ones who spout that the Falklands are used by Argentina as internal political maneuvering... so you see, even there you are so otherwise devoid of any relevance to us that we the government feels it can use the Falklands for domestic purposes, without risking anything at all... even while totally destroying any relations with the UK, because it matters in the slightest! Same with the USA and their plane, Spain and YPF, Brazil and the mining company, and on and on. None of you matter of have any influence within Argentina so the government feels free to take actions that have no consequences.
Truth true...
75---irrelivence is no exuse to the truth..
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0//////////////////
From CFK lordess of the worlds oceans…
Protested new British military exercises in the islands that began yesterday, letter to the embassy
“new military exercises in occupied Argentine territory”, which would include “launching missiles from the Malvinas Islands
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More lies and crap from a failed state in limbo….
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http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1573195-la-argentina-no-envia-representantes-al-funeral-de-thatcher
CFK has no interest,
”What do I care if I'm invited to a place where they intended to go?”, then said Foreign Minister Héctor Timerman.
Childish tantrums because they were not invited,
So make a cover story and stick to it,
But although this is a load of crap, one must add,
Mr Obama and his government [also] is not going,
[knife ] [ back ] [ stab ] [again ]
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Still
What this has to do with brazil ive no idea…??
7 people already dead in Venezuela, Gov't saying they won't allow any opposition protests
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my my
all is going swimmingly in Alba
BRAZIL IS LAUGHING AT THE ARGENTINE JOKE!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN DOING SO FOR YEARS!
Troll
Apr 16th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What crap logic...Britain is irrelevant to the Argentine Government which is why it goes to the UN several times a year, Mercosur several times a year, Anus-sore several times a year...and every time it meets any foreign leader can't stop talking about Britain and its Malvinas course...Argentina is OBSESSED with us.
Contrast that with Britain. can't recall Britain mention Argentina at the EU or at the Commonwealth or at the UN except in response and without fanfare...can't recall Britain being remotely interested in your 3rd world shitheap of a pariah state.
By the way, given you ludicrous rant last week about Argentina versus Aussie sport....pmsl at the US Masters last night.
75.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“None of you matter of have any influence within Argentina”
Oh, but just look at the front page of pagina12:
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/principal/index.html
Someone is important to Argentina.
Be nice to your new Papi and he might just keep the lights on.
@79
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bravo, an Australian finally wins an important golf tourney. We did that what 40 years ago?
political posturing by using Falklands > 60 million British and the entire UK nation
quick sovereignty points by detaining a plane > 320 million yanks and their entire country
some argentine assembled truck > 200 million brazilians and their entire pais
a few extra cubic liters of gas for one winter > entire relationship with Chile
leaving some river silt untouched > entire relationship with Uruguay
a few untapped oil wells > the entire bilateral ties with Spain
a ship > entire relations with Ghana and West Africa
some car production for a few months > all relations with Mexico
That's how the rest of you tip in our scale of priorities... don't get butt hurt if you are that irrelevant in weight and importance for Argentina that the above inequalities are actually productive for our government.
If you tossers had something valuable to offer, economically, culturally, friendship-wise, or politically... but you don't.
BRAZIL IS LAUGHING AT THE ARGENTINE JOKE!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is impressive how one can manage so many falsehoods in one post.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OMG, there is evidence the USA gov is responsible for the bombings of their own city and people!!!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They want to use the bombing to justify a new war in the Middle East... jajajaja, poor American idiots, as the song goes. Their own government kills them.
What a hellhole.
BRAZIL IS LAUGHING AT THE ARGENTINE JOKE!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0try to keep up with me, John wanna be troll ;)
The USA controls 10+% of Argentina's GDP and USA companies are the largest employers in the country but we are irrelevant.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK.
Do you get dumber with every post?
I don't need to, you are the one being blasted with nails and car parts in bombs, and shot from the sky by some toy plane, in your own country by your government.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be so proud... hahahah
BRAZIL IS LAUGHING AT THE ARGENTINE JOKE!
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(I just have to hit Control+V, Enter, and then John spazzes out a buncha nonsense in response....so who's “troll”ing who? ;) )
Glug Glug Glug
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no where are the breaks..
Nostril
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You see you are stupid child, and despite your own high opinion of yourself you make yourself look a cunt the whole time.
How many Golf Majors have been won by Aussies? And how many Argentines? You can't even bring yourself to see, yet again, how much better other countries are to Argentina.
However, more to the point:
People are taking the piss out of Argentina, and more specifically your retarded government, and thick twats like you who support them. Why? Because its fun.
Now the fact that you are so unbelievably thick, so gobsmacking ly retarded, that somehow you misread this as an international concensus of hatred of Argentina...well it makes me laugh.
My advice to you
Buy some breath freshners
Get some acne cream
Wash your hair
Go out and try to find a boy/girl who can bear your company for more than a second, and try and get your end away. perhaps, some more social time, might help you recognise piss-taking...and make you less of an up-your-own-arse gobshitte twat.
To laugh at the tragic of others,
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will only bring retaliation when it happens in Argentina,
You guys love to insult the demise of others,
Yet the first to complain when they do it to you,
One day CFK will pay her price for the misery she dishes out to others,
As for bombs,
Perhaps when it happens again to Argies,
And you lot lose loved ones,
You may yet regret acting the silly comedian..
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#88
Apr 16th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I was a child, I spake as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: Corinthians x111
Who knows, if you manage to grow up then the second part of the quotation may apply
now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things.
So much hate for one so young.
@71 No.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73 But then, you're ignorant wankers.
@76 Quite right. You're totally insignificant.
@82 Was there anything intelligent in there? Nah. Just argie kindergarten shit!
@85 So much better than an argie “government” killing 30,000 of its own!
@88 Your turn soon. Just think of all the states around you that think you are disgusting little turds. Seems that, despite its government, Brazil hates you. Paraguay, obviously, hates you. Chile may hate you but finds you disgusting.
John Troll the 3rd (#28)
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0' Oh the article is from Veja? The most anti-argentine publication on the planet? Veja is a toilet paper brand in Argentina, and not a very good one at that.'
I have read Veja for some years. It is to the right of the left wing governments of the Bolivarian countries, and a damned sight more sensible that much of the policies of Brasil itself.
It is showing that it is NOT a state- 'controlled' medium. It has taken a very uncontrovertial topic and given the evidence for its claims. It always gives evidence and is always unpopular with the government of the day because it is VERY frequently exposing Brasil's pattern of corruptions.
Brasil is an infinitely better country simply because it enables Veja to exist and do what it does best.
can somebody tell me the latam meaning of “Solidarity”, with a straight face?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SELF-DETERMINATION..........Solid!!
#95
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, something lacking in many countries...
Freedom Of Speech
The first thing Communists and despots try to restrict.
Peso leak rate hit 9/1 today
Apr 16th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I predicted June so it's waaaay ahead of schedule
my my
what's next
JT3 asks why the anger at Argentina. The aggressive false claims Argentina makes against the Falkland Islands, British Overseas Territory verified by self-determination in March 2013 referendum.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does Argentinians have no understanding?! They've proven they don't!
Why Argentina is NOT trusted: (0r part thereof)
Viveza criolla is a Spanish language phrase literally meaning “native cunning” describing a way of life in Argentina, originating in Buenos Aires, in which to achieve success in life, anything goes: lies, taking advantage of the weaknesses of others, etc.
Viveza criolla has been called “the principal cause of a moral, cultural, economic, social and political crisis”. It is a philosophy of progress along the line of least resistance and ignoring rules, a sense of responsibility and consideration for others, and it extends to all social groups and throughout the whole country, although it predominates in Buenos Aires.
Viveza criolla includes:
- lack of respect for others and indifference to the common good in a framework of individual interests.
- political corruption, which extends in all institutions, in the form of perks, direct appropriation of public funds, favouritism, misallocation of state resources, etc.
- extreme individualism, with mistrust of others and little ability to partner and cooperate in community goals. (Interpersonal trust is a key component of social capital, which is crucial for economic development and proper functioning of democratic institutions.)
- Anomie or weakening of the common morality, and social deviance as behaviour that departs from generally accepted standards in society.
- The habit of blaming problems on someone else, thereby encouraging paranoia and granting a permit to self-indulgence.
Phrases:
Hecha la ley, hecha la trampa. -- “Made the law, made a loophole.”
Total, si no robo yo, robará otro. -- “Overall, if I do not steal, another will steal.”
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Can Argentina change?
Give peace a chance!
Oh snotty do go and get another snitch rag.If not Veja toiletpaper will serve as well if you can find it on the supermarket gondolas
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“People are taking the piss out of Argentina, and more specifically your retarded government, and thick twats like you who support them. Why? Because its fun”
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just like I enjoy seeing the crap news that every day comes out of your countries: mass shootings, bombings, donkey meat, bird flu, bank collapses, burning cities and riots, fixed interest rates screwing the population, narcos, student protests, off shore accounts, and on and on and on.
Or what you think we are concerned about it? We in Argentina laugh at you dogs and your crumbling societies.
Shock News just in!:
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Troll says “It worse everywhere else!” and “We hate you all anyway and dont want anything to do with you!”
Meanwhile a British ship delivers urgently needed LNG to energy-starved Argentina... and Argentinas biggest trading partner seeks to tie-up bilateral trade with the USA outside of its “we're all brothers together in SA” pact.
Elsewhere Argentina complains to the UN about illegal missile testing on the Malvinas.... only to be told by a very Fat Lady that there is no such place.
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You mean a British ship desperately needs cash so it sells itself to the Devil and trades with the enemy of its country. Typical British (i.e. Libya).
Apr 16th, 2013 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought it was against the law to have a British flagged ship in an Rg port?
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is there a caveat that says it is ok when they are running out of fuel?
Apparently.
9/1
oh my
DineroK
double oh my
Wanna bet she or fatmax never get to spend it
I do
I'll give you 9/1 odds
Ill 4/5 you get attacked again shortly.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, they are poisoning your senators now...
What a lovely country.
#105
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, but ain't what you say here my son:
http://mytinyurl.com/fqgcdr9j85
@John Troll the 3rd ,You really are a sorry little bitch for punishment aren't you
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Nostrils has chucked a tantrum again! All use of eloquent words out the window to boot.
Apr 16th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@106
Apr 17th, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see your Nostralldamus the 13th account was banned, no wonder you are so dumb you can't even post a link correctly.
@58 “What perhaps infuriates the rest of the world is that it's people continue to elect corrupt kleptomaniac thieves with the morals of gypsies. Don't you get it? You have everything to be one of the top nations non earth and yet you have decided to throw it away and steal from other nations. ”
Apr 17th, 2013 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, we don't have much to choose from. The corrupt politicians kicked out all the honest ones a long time ago. And if any honest politician by a miracle happened to be back in power, he would have the same fate as Alfonsin. Not that honest politicians can compete with the corrupts, who control the media, trade unions, the fiefdoms in the north, and of course, hire PR guys who know all the mind control tecniques.
It was reported to me by a loyal subject that I had been banned. I assure my devoted followers that the news of my demise is premature and what I have come to expect from those that attempt to denigrate my good name.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have reformed and cast away the misinformation and falsehoods of my predecessors and continue the proud tradition of my lineage no matter what usurpers such as John Troll the citizen say.
As for my beloved leader, I am afraid that the scales are falling from our eyes. The food shortages. The lines at the bank. The rampant crime. The increasing poverty. Our inability to leave the country. And should our fragile and faulty democracy be able to withstand the onslaught of the fascist elements of our society such as La Campora, we may just start to turn a corner with upcoming elections.
However even in my extreme youth and naiveté, I know the chances of our infantile parody of democracy may not have the strength of democracy in more developed countries (these days including more and more countries as we fall further and further behind).
Rest assured, I have not gone anywhere. I am watching and waiting. I do not need to blow my load over my keyboard at the mere mention of problems in my country by anyone.
Thank you for taking my bate. I have now confirmed who you are.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0That was painless.
Johnny Troll
Apr 17th, 2013 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arifu
Nostrildamyou
Trite Teen Troll
and others,
are all teen “Toby” of Mendoza, dulce de Leche boy
:-(
Why am I a troll, and you people that trash my country and its culture (not just the government given the liars you are), are not?
Apr 17th, 2013 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why ARE you a troll?
Apr 17th, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0This has to be a joke, right? The top story in the 'Brazil' section of the site is about an article in a Brazilian magazine. If any confirmation that Mercopress is nothing more than a UK run propaganda operation this article provides it.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Snotty the First Mentiroso
Apr 17th, 2013 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You live in Mendoza where they have a stadium called after some mythical place called the Malvinas
You dont like women (does that include Cristina?) and foriegners either probably even if they are from Cordoba
Do you have cascabeles (rattlesnakes) up there I wonder?Have your teeth been drawn so that you are all rattle and no venom?
Or a dead skunk run over on the highway who even in death permeates passing cars with your stench?
Back to school nene where you can chant Las malvinas son Argentinas with your fellow indoctrinated classmates to your hearts content
@ john troll 23rd
Apr 17th, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0hand bags at noon?
you seem a little agitated, heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
John Fag the Turd,
Apr 17th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0BRAZIL IS LAUGHING AT THE ARGENTINE JOKE!
is that why you're so mad?!
Well thats the prettiest Pinnochio I've ever seen =) But seriously what do you expect, this paper has been featured on MP attacking Arg and Cristinita before, its on the hard right innit?
Apr 17th, 2013 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's the ugliest pinochio I've ever seen, look at those turkey neck flaps hangin down from her chin/neck.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0“””You mean a British ship desperately needs cash so it sells itself to the Devil and trades with the enemy of its country. Typical British (i.e. Libya).“”“
Apr 17th, 2013 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina isnt Britain's enemy: the lies promulgated by its Governments are.
You, however, do paint Britain as Argentinas enemy, so it must be galling for you to watch your hypocritical Government seek British companies to help them out.
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”Why am I a troll, and you people that trash my country and its culture (not just the government given the liars you are), are not?”
See your first quote above.
Here endeth the lesson.
101. The funny part of that rant is that all those items listed that you find enjoyable come from a many different countries and yet all the problems we love to talk about are from 1 county.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The rat nest you pretend to live in and yet know so little about.
DineroK
FatMax and the BagLady of BA will never see a dime of the loot
Funny how she hides whenever there is a mass opposition rally. Do you think she is scared the palace will be stormed?
And she'll end up like Mussolini?
That would be tragic.
MagnusMaster @ 110
Apr 17th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why practically every Argentine I meet admits that Carrió is intelligent but dismisses her as a viable political future for a more rational Argentina? Any explanation?
@124 Everyone thinks Carrio is nuts because she makes apocalyptic prophecies that usually never occur on time, kinda like yankeeboy here. She lacks power and doesn´t like compromise. She would do well in a republican country, but she´s not fit for Argentina, when you can´t get anyway without a mafia backing you.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Apr 17th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Number of English Turnips comments on this article ….....…: About 100.-
Number of English Turnips commenting on the news below …......…: O
“Great Britain has many money laundering centres and tax havens in its immediate legal remit: the Channel Islands, Gibraltar, the Cayman Islands, Virgin Islands” said Austrian Finance minister Maria Fekter”
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/17/austria-keeps-to-bank-secrecy-and-demands-uk-and-us-shed-light-on-their-tax-havens#comments
Brainwash anybody?
I am not an English “turnip” but a Scottish “tumshie” but I will comment on her remarks.
Apr 17th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If she has proof that they are money laundering centres, let her give details of this and see the UK government's reaction.
and the Peso slides again today...
Apr 17th, 2013 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as CFK's pallets full of Euros get shipped out of the rats nest
My guess is FatMax and the CrazyBagLady from BA will never see a dime of the loot.
I am sure people are planning her Romanian style retirement party as I type.
Which countries do you Argentinians use for your money laundering?
Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Austria and Switzerland, perhaps? The USA?
Surely you don't keep it in Argentina. How do you get the money out?
@129 Corrupt politicians almost always send their dirty money to Switzerland.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that I'm defending Kirchner, but seriously, Veja has about the same credibility in Brazil as News of the World had in the UK. If a scientist even remotely related to the left found the cure for cancer and HIV, Veja would still talk bad about them. Veja is basically a propaganda magazine for the PSDB party in Brazil. They should talk about how FHC ruined Brazil.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/the-argentine-joke-and-cristina-fernandez-as-pinocchio-headlines-of-brazil-s-influential-magazine-veja#comment239595: Veja's trashyness makes it the perfect source for MercoPress which is, after all, a news site produced by some not very bright people for the consumption by other not very bright people. MercoPress is basically a British run propaganda site - but not a very good one.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I must admit I was surprised and skeptical at a story referencing Veja. But, looking at the comments, I was wrong. It is a mistake to underestimate this site's consumers ability to accept any sort of rubbish.
I guess Tony Blair didn't have a pinocchio nose when told you brits that there were WMD's in Iraq.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No brasileiro. bLiars pinocchio nose got so long it suffered from brewers droop
Apr 18th, 2013 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For some reason the best defence is some version of “Clarin Lies”
Apr 18th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How stupid are these people?
#132
Apr 18th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What on line news service should we be looking at to get your version of the truth ?
MercoPress is a site of British run propaganda and run by not very bright people for the consumption of not very bright people.
So, that means we are all thickos including you, DB, Think Toby the Troll, Marcos A., BK, AXEL ARG. RAUL etc
At least we are all playing from a level field !
@136 Clyde15
Apr 18th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#132 What on line news service should we be looking at to get your version of the truth?
Apparently she is a communist Dutch woman who lives elsewhere nowadays, but I suggest it might be the “Cuban Government Daily” that well known bastion of the truth obtainable in part from:
http://www.laht.com/index.asp
132 Hepatia
Apr 18th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even is the article were written on toilet paper it is still true. CFK lies routinely to the Argies and the world. It is a true Argie trait to both lie and accept to be lied to.
“We're winning we're winning!”
133 Brazilian:
“I guess Tony Blair didn't have a pinocchio nose when told you brits that there were WMD's in Iraq.”
If you remember his lies got 1,000,000 people on to the street, caused his political end and ruined any legacy he might have had. He was widely mocked in the British press as a liar. Why so precious about CFK?
#131,132,133 Brilliantly put both of you =) But why not go the whole way Brazilian and defend Kirchner? =)
Apr 18th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#138 “If you remember his lies...caused his political end”
If only t'were true =( But one day God willing he'll get his just deserts for his crime, like the former heads of government Nestor and Cristina put in jail where they belong...
The president clearly out of her element... no sh*t
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Worst affected by the storms have been the slums that surround Buenos Aires and La Plata, the villas miserias (villages of misery), home to the most exploited sections of the working poor, and testimony to the degradation of working class living standards driven by decades of policies of successive governments. About 30 percent of households live under the poverty line in metropolitan Buenos Aires. More than half of these are employed part time for hunger wages, and with no medical benefits, in the informal sector. Also affected were more established working and middle class neighborhoods, such as Tolosa, in La Plata and Saavedra-Mitre in Buenos Aires.
Tolosa is where the president herself was born. During a visit two days after the storm, residents mobbed Ms. Fernandez, describing the harrowing nights that they had gone through without any assistance, witnessing people trapped in cars or dragged away by the current. “We were left to fend for ourselves,” declared many in the crowd. The president, clearly out of her element, was unable to respond coherently; at one point she did manage a shoulder shrug, blaming it all on the storm (“la lluvia es la lluvia,” “the rain is the rain,” she said), implying that no one is to blame, except nature.
In truth, meteorologists had tracked the storm and correctly predicted its path and intensity.
140 yankeeboy
Apr 18th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, NO. NONE of that could possibly be true!
TMBOA has stated that everything is rosy in casa Rosada. Ahhh just spotted a problem in my post!
You have to laugh, don't you? Well you do as long as you are not a Malvinista!
LOLs
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/the-argentine-joke-and-cristina-fernandez-as-pinocchio-headlines-of-brazil-s-influential-magazine-veja#comment239688: If you wish to read anti Argentinian articles in English I would recomend the WP and NYT. At least their articles have meat in them and they do not rely on Veja as their source.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0#142
Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0#132
What on line news service should we be looking at to get your version of the truth ?
You did not answer my question ! I did not specify anti-Argentinian article, I asked what YOU read on-line to satisfy your version of the truth.
@143
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That would be the independent “TELAM”
#142
Apr 20th, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have read Veja for years and find verifiable truths underpin all allegations within its pages. It would pretty soon be shut down if this were not so!
Brasil is lucky to have such a check on the excesses of people who govern, administrate, etc. But it is not Veja's fault if the judicary and the political arms of government make it virtually impossible to prosecute effectively. The rich and powerful act as if they have a God-given right to rip off the country.
It came as a major surprise to me that the small reversals of behaviour have come during the term of office of Dilma! But recognition where its due.
139 - I wouldn't go as far as defending Kirchner for the same reason that I wouldn't defend Dilma in internal affairs. While both governments have solid foreign policies towards South American integration, internally both have also made steady attacks on worker's rights. Here in Brazil the Workers Party (PT) is going more and more to the right wing, supporting the removal of poor workers in the name of the World Cup, proposing the flexibilization of hard-earned worker's rights, privatizing airports and public education. There are different aspects of politics that aren't always black and white. However I'd much rather have the PT in power in Brazil than go back the PSDB US-stooges like FHC. And as far as Argentina goes, with all it's problems, it is way better with Kirchner as president than it was with neo-liberal Menem. Argentina is still paying the heavy price of Menem's corrupt economic policies. What makes so many people here angry is that Brazil and Argentina, as well as Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador and Uruguay, aren't bending down on four and welcoming further US intervention. Falling empires tend to affect the ego of it's people, who desperately search for a way to still feel superior to those they once dominated.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#145 “I have read Veja for years and find verifiable truths underpin all allegations within its pages. It would pretty soon be shut down if this were not so!”
Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you have said the same of the News of the World a couple of years ago?!
#146 Point well taken on the PT governments, I too think they have given too much ground to Thatcherite economics internally, while generally agreeing ith their international stance. I do think Cristina has been more radical domestically though, closer to Chavez, Correa etc, no?
Brazilian @ 146
Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then how do you account for the fact that former Uruguayan president Tabaré Vázquez, a left winger, asked George W. Bush for US military protection in the event of an Argentine invasion over the pulp mill issue?
146 Brazilian
Apr 20th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have not heard of so much leftie rubbish since before Baroness Thatcher emasculated the UK communist unions and set British workers free.
No wonder Brasil is fcuked up in the finance area if your twaddle is anything to go by.
B_K (#147)
Apr 20th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re #145 “I have read Veja for years and find verifiable truths underpin all allegations within its pages. It would pretty soon be shut down if this were not so!”
'Would you have said the same of the News of the World a couple of years ago?!'
No.
I thoroughly respect Veja and its campaign to right the wrongs of Brasil. It has a wide range of feature sections and is a rivetting regular read. It is targetted at the well educated in society.
The News of the World degenerated over many years into a scurrilous 'rag'. It adopted totally illegal practices to win 'scoops' and it was absolutely correct to close it down in ignominy.
“I thoroughly respect Veja and its campaign to right the wrongs of Brasil” - wow, that made me laugh so hard right now that I almost vomited!
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0151 Brazilian
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“that made me laugh so hard right now that I almost vomited!”
Well you should know, ALL your posts have that effect on me.
Really ChrisR? You seem so bitter in whatever you write that I didn't think you had the capacity to laugh or smile.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0146 Brazilian
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting post.
What do you think is causing the PT's shift to the right, especially regards the privatization of airports and other infrastructure?
153 Brazilian
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I am only ascerbic to the commie / leftists morons such as you and one or two others who post on MP.
You earn what you get.
Read what Simon68 said in another topic and consider it carefully: you will see what I mean about people laughing at you.
@149
Apr 23rd, 2013 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Baroness! Was that her title? I thought it was Evil Bitch.
156 John III (Pope)
Apr 23rd, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the title of 'Evil Bitch' is the preserve of TMBOA, none other than Cristina Fernandez, erstwhile President of The Dark Country.
@157pope sussie
Apr 23rd, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Evil Bitch' is the preserve of TMBOA, none other than Cristina Fernandez, erstwhile President of The Dark Country.
Sussie, you should know that already, do I csn't understand why you had to jump in with this gratuitous post @157.
Was ther nothing intelligent that you could add????
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/the-argentine-joke-and-cristina-fernandez-as-pinocchio-headlines-of-brazil-s-influential-magazine-veja#comment240308: I have no doubt that there are many 'Argentinian jokes' to be heard and, to that extent, the Veja article is based on verifiable truth. The question is, is it news that these jokes are circulating. The answer is no and the article is just a propaganda piece.
Apr 24th, 2013 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0More to the point what does this article propagating the original Veja article say about MercoPress? It says that MercoPress is a pro British propaganda site.
@158
Apr 24th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then explain the video feed from England showing signs with 'Evil Bitch' on them at 'death parties'.
Anyway your shift less and unelected head of state, the WoW, managed to make an appearance at the Evil Bitch's funeral.
Cristina's dead?
Apr 24th, 2013 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0And there've had the funeral already?
I agree with Hepatia that there's nothing new about the Brazilians making scathing jokes about the Argentines. They've been doing so since Perón's time, wonder why?
Apr 24th, 2013 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Veja, it's debatably not Brazil's best newsmagazine, but it's certainly better than anything Argentina's got.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/the-argentine-joke-and-cristina-fernandez-as-pinocchio-headlines-of-brazil-s-influential-magazine-veja#comment241496: Considering your apparent poor opinion of Argentina do youi think should you should use it as a reference for what is good or bad?
Apr 24th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Hepatia
Apr 25th, 2013 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you read carefully, you may realise I was referring to Argentine newsmagazines. I don't have a poor opinion of Argentina, except the current government, the 51% of the population who support it and the 90% of the population who supported the “patriotic” invasion of the Falkland Islands.
Anyway, back to the subject: Brazilians have definitely been laughing at Argentines for generations.
Why do you trolls always try to redirect the subject? Orders from the brass?
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/16/the-argentine-joke-and-cristina-fernandez-as-pinocchio-headlines-of-brazil-s-influential-magazine-veja#comment241648: And you are dull, stupid, ill informed and a loser. Other than that you are a pretty good guy.
Apr 25th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you look at the results of the last Argentinian presidential election I think that you will find that the present administration has much more than 51% support.
'Here in Brazil the Workers Party (PT)
Apr 25th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is going more and more to the right wing,
*supporting the removal of poor workers in the name of the World Cup,
*proposing the flexibilization of hard-earned worker's rights,
*privatizing airports
*and public education.
There are different aspects of politics that aren't always black and white.
However I'd much rather have the PT in power in Brazil than go back the PSDB US-stooges like FHC. ' Brazilian #146
You're so right (but definitely NOT right wing ;-)
Simply having to interact with a capitalist world makes left-wing governments appear more right wing in these dealings.
The World Cup and the Olympics are *show-pieces* for Brasil, and you don't show gun fights at the OK Favela - hence the 'clean-ups'.
Not Left, not Right, but good sense.
Airports need serious and fast modernisation for these 'show-pieces - public sector solutions are horrendous in Brasil, hence the involvement of the private sector.
Not Left, not Right, but good sense.
' flexibilization of hard-earned worker's rights' is a sign of realization of the hard realities of life. Public sector pensions - for example - are cripplingly unaffordable and, as the demographic distribution of Brasil changes, the state must plan for what it can afford.
Not Left, not Right, but good sense.
Public education MUST change. ALL phases of education in Brasil are cripplingly weak. Private provision has to remain and will train the majority of the 'great brains' Brasil so needs until the country takes and successfully implants (eg) the South Korean model as the route to development and First World status.
Not Left, not Right, but good sense.
PT is not 'in power', Brazilian; our government is a COALITION. And FHC set the development ball rolling with his privatizations, etc. Not because he was a lackey of the USA - which he was not.
We know where Brasil would like to get, Brazilian, but we differ on the way to get there.
Hepatia @ 165
Apr 25th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, Hepatia
The article is about Brazilians' opinion of the Argentine government, it's not about your opinion of me, which is irrelevant even to myself. Why do you trolls always try to redirect the subject?
According to Argentine souces, CFK had 51% of the vote at the time of the elections, and probably considerably less now. Anyway, if you say she had more votes, it just goes to show there are even more stupid people in your country than I thought.
I suppose in the not too distant future, you Argentines will be saying “Kichner, what Kichner?”, just as you say “Junta, what Junta?”
I'm the one with a view of the sunset over Gorriti island. You're the one with a view of a cracked wall in a crumbling city. Who's the loser?
You are now dismissed.
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