MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Democracy in Paraguay is here to stay: Mercosur and Unasur have become irrelevant”
“We’re optimistic about Sunday’s election and the future of Paraguay if we can agree on long term state policies, but something is for certain: democracy in Paraguay is here to stay” said Ricardo Caballero Aquino, Chargé d’affaires of the Paraguayan embassy in Montevideo who was also positive about future relations with Unasur and Mercosur. Read full article
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Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were they ever?
Paraguay o ready won, they kill the Bolivarian revolution and are poised to get good and solid economic growth the only path to a better life and better education and that is the only sustainable system.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Bolivarian system is poised to collapse and is unsustainable once the resources are depleted only misery, crime and drugs are left why South America can learn from systems that works, why try to emulate the left communist system, what kind of brain will take to see this.
“THERE IS NO EDUCATION AT THE SECOND KICK OF THE MULE”
Argentina will never follow the US / Europe model, and will never again have normal relations with any of your nations. NEVER AGAIN.
Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you mean the Kirchnerism will never follow the US / Europe model, and will never again ! the opposition are out in force at tonights cacerolazo, who knows maybe there is hope yet !!!
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Apr 18th, 2013 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you promoting here?
Why don't you do it the democratic way?
There are elections for changing a government.
Hit as many pots as you wish. If you wish to change anything, use your vote.
Or expect the same treatment.
Uruguay and Paraguay would be much better united, maybe under the Uruguayan flag, but still would be nice.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 06 While Mujica is President never !
Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. They'll go pretty far thinking that Mercosur is irrelevant, when their country is pratically owned by Brazil and Argentina.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny how the guy interviewed says that Lugo was destroying the country - even though le left the presidency with GDP growth above 10% a year...
And to call them “bolivarian”? Pfff. Paraguay is probably more conservative than US itself. Lugo was deposed because he advocated for land reform in one of the poorest countries of the continent. What a crime!
And people saying the left in L.A. are inspired by soviet communism... seriously, come back to Earth.
“in Paraguay there is no oligarchy or families with long tradition like in Peru and Chile” - this is an extraordinarily stupid lie (una tremenda mentira estúpida) de parte del embajador del gobierno de Franco. I cant believe that he has said this.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#8 - Eduardo you do realize that Lugo, when he left office had the country in a recession, -1% GDP for 2012. Paraguay is highly dependent on Brazil and Argentina, there is no doubt about that, but we are extremely different than both of these socialistic countries. Paraguay has had a rough past, but there is no doubt that it is much better positioned for growth than its neighbors. With no national debt, a strong GDP, low taxes, decent infrastructure, cheapest eletricity in the world, open borders, low regulations, unregulated banking system...Paraguay will outperform any country in Latam for years to come.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I am wrong and you are correct, Paraguay will live in misery. If not, then we will continue to see Paraguay flourish.
As a Brazilian, I chose to live in Paraguay, just as another 400k Brazilian have. Clearly there is something about Paraguay that makes it a good choice.
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Apr 19th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank God for that. amen!!! When did you last have normal relations with the UK ? Your country has acted like a petulant child who can't get their own way. Put a bloody big wall round your country and stay there- good riddance.
Just when you think most South American nations are run by nut jobs and despots, along comes Paraguay and gives you hope of sanity.
Apr 19th, 2013 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@#12
Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm always amazed with Europeans bothered with the leaders of anywhere in the world, as if they had any moral authority in the matter. Where can we start? Italy and their pathetic populist Berlusconi? The clowns that “govern” the UK? The incompetents in Spain, Portugal and Greece?
Seriously, I think you should be worried more about your leaders. South America is the continent which has reduced the poverty and inequality at biggest levels in contemporary history, as well as huge increases in GDP and per capita income... while your leaders are sinking your economies and there's not even one of them where one can recognize sanity... particularly in the UK and their pathetic prime minister.
Unasur have become irrelevant
Apr 19th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says
Paraguay
Enough said we thinks..
Still,
OAS next then lol.
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13 Eduardo Orozco
The clowns that “govern” the UK?
incompetent maybe,
stupid maybe
but clowns==never
their only one comedian and CFK fits that bill..lol.
14 briton
Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you have overlooked the new clown on the block: I give you - the bus driver himself who will shortly be drving Venezuela over an almighty cliff.
An admirable partner for TMBOA, perhaps he will take over where Dead Man Now Rotting left off? Sorry about the mental picture folks!
ha ha
Apr 19th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even with TMBOA as his trusty conductor
They will drive it to ruin.
It will be interesting to watch..lol
@briton
Apr 19th, 2013 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stop fooling yourself. David Cameron is a real life Bozo. Not to mention the Royal Family, almost as laughable as the Spanish one. Did the prince appeared naked anywhere in the last weeks? Or wearing nazi uniforms for a party again?
One has to understand Paraguay . From day one the Spanish inter married with the friendly Guaranies . Hence no oligarchies , they were all Paraguayans . In 1811 became independent , no blood , no generals , just a handover . Unlike its neighbours no Emperors no discussion about central or federal government . A man appeared , Rodriguez de Francia ,who realized that he had to create a nation.Which he did isolating the countries from neighbours and making it self sufficient . No love lost with the neighbours . Then came the Lopez dynasty till 1864 .The first opened the country up with the help of
Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British engineers . Railways , iron foundry , great buildings , trade with Europe and neighbours . But more slanted towards Europe . Then his son , unfortunately , got involved in the Triple Alliance war which he lost . The country ravaged by the victors , in particular the Brazilians , a fact which is not forgotten .
After the war slow reconstruction till the awful war with Bolivia in 1932 . This time Paraguay won but lost quite a lot of territory . Then came the war years and the arrival of Stroessner who ruled for thirty five years till 1989 .
As you will note always poor relations with neighbours coupled with a strong
sense on nationhood .
This latter point is what infuriated the country when expelled from Mercosur and Venezuela allowed in . The world , the USA , EU and others accepted the change of government while the neighbours did not .
@Baxter
Apr 19th, 2013 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay is a failed state. It's one of the poorest in the Western Hemisphere, it's completely dominated by oligarchies, has always been. They spent 4 to 7 times less than the average spending of Latin America in education, health care and social programs. In this election, the left wing was forbiden by the Supreme Court of broadcasting their electoral program on TV. That tells a lot how “democratic” the failed small nation of Paraguay is.
insulting the royal family makes you not very clever,
Apr 19th, 2013 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but we fully understand that some are envy of the british and some are not,
you on the other hand are envy are you not,
camaron lives in a controlled world controlled by his european masters, fullstop.
19 in case you do not know the only counties which will grow more than 6 percent are Paraguay and Peru . Quiet good for a failed state . We are free and proud of it.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Baxter
Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy for now.
We'll spread the word. Soon it will reach Paraguay too.
He who has two masters has only one.
Enjoy for now.
I will ignore 22 Stevie and return to 19 . The Supreme Court has , at no time , stopped the Frente Guazu from advertising it's programme . In fact it is spending as much as other parties . I see , ad naseum . Ads for Lugo and his sidekick , and well presented too , all the time on TV . As for Stevie , our time will come ! The Bolivarians are already collapsing .
Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay is the only country in the Americas where an indigenous language, Guarani, has official status and is more widely spoken than a European one. At least they're not second-hand Italians speaking Spanish and pretending they're victims of European colonialism.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wearing Nazi uniforms is tasteless, but not as bad as sharing their ideas.
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Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, loads of Guaraníes in the Paraguayan senate...
Hahahaha!!!
And you are right , the Colorados in Uruguay are tasteless as you say. A bit like the Colorados in Paraguay...
25 You really must read something else apart from Gramma . You will discover that there are other points of view ,not all communists . By the way ALL members of Congress speak Guarani . They have to if they want to win a seat !
Apr 20th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suggest you read TheEconomist over the weekend . A balanced , liberal publication .
@19 Eduardo you have a failed mind take a look at Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela they all failing all they do is print money.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraguay will have this year more economic growth than all 3 combine and they have access to credit (Failed state do not have credit) Argentina have credit? No they do not have credit, the Bolivarian give them at 19% and they are brothers!
Paraguay have access to private sector at @4.45 % sure they have problems but they will not be solve by them by transferring wealth like the Bolivarian countries do.
The Bolivarian populous elected dictators, their so cal leaders are elected by a massive hand outs to an uneducated lazy people with no future and after there is no more resources that can be hand out they will swing to the right and all the lefties will be massacre Augusto Roa Bastos made a comment in “I the supreme” “The stomach have Memory” and is more powerful than the Brain.
Baxter
Apr 20th, 2013 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speak Guaraní, or are Guaraníes?
Quite a difference there ;)
I haven't looked it up, but check for yourself how many Guaraníes there are, or have ever been, in the Paraguayan congress. Or superior court. Or even how many Guaraní deputees there have ever been.
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28 Stevie . Deputies is spelt this way ! You must read the Economist .
Apr 20th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stevie - Most people in Paraguay are a mix of Spanish and Guaranie. Obviously there are people that have more Guaranie or more Spanish in their blood, but I would say 95% of the population is a mix of the two.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, you have never set foot in Paraguay, pretty much no one on this site ever has...but I have. Paraguay is awesome. We have freedom, both economic and personal. Foreigners, like me, easily manage permanent resident status, allowing to vote and run for local office. What we produce is ours, and not the governments; low taxes. We have the freedom to go in and out of the country, with no hassle from government officials. Money can be trade in any currency banks feel are needed; bank accounts can be in Euros, Dollars, Reals, Guaranies...but not Pesos, those are too volatile and banks shun them.
So before you talk shit about what this country is or isn't like, come and see for yourself. You will be amazed, everyone is.
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Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another expat...
I thought you were Paraguayan...
I know another thing that goes in and out of the country freely.
Like almost every tradable goods.
Low taxes you say? Inexistant isn't 'low'...
And I agree, Paraguay is beautiful. Proud to call them my brothers
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31 Stevie I have come to conclusion that you are either stupid or a rabid left winger annoyed that Lugo was ousted . Yes , my dear friend , soybean , wheat , meat , goods produced under Maqilla all leave the country . Tax non existent here!! Please do wake up we all pay consumer tax , companies pay tax ( look at the list of top payers in today's newspaper ) and income tax has just been introduced .
Apr 20th, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I must leave you to read Gramma and Kirchner controlled press since we are all voting tomorrow . Free vote to wit . The full results will be published in the evening . Surprise Lugo is candidate for a Senate seat and will probably succeed .
You live in the wrong area mate.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Move to Ciudad del Este. There, nobody pays taxes
;)
Stevie you can count on your finger countries in the world that are net exporters of food and Paraguay is one of them they have gold and food is today's gold. They export Soy(4th IN the world) meat ,wheat and milk if Argentina allows them yes milk to Argentina that is hard to believe but Uruguay is investing heavily in milk production in paraguay and could potentially pass Argentina in the future, the Chaco region is the future in Paraguay population ½ of person per square mile)Remember Low Taxes produce job's and is sustainable unlike hand outs by socialist lefties , that creates misery and onlyserves to gains more votes in elections to further misery, no country in the region understand better than Paraguay how economics 101 works. It is difficult to wake up from dictators there is no magic formula but transfer of wealth does not work nor lefty’s policies.
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Apr 20th, 2013 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that why they are amongst the poorest nations in South America after 61 years of unbroken Colorado governments?
Statistics do not all ways tell the intangibles in Paraguay they have lower cost of leaving but they eat well yes there is need for improvement you will see that number go up in the future while their neighbors collapse do you know that pass governments in Paraguay did implement some land reforms and the peasants sold them back for quick money hands outs never work people are lazy.
Apr 20th, 2013 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Entire neighbors were move from shanty towns and this was during the dictatorship they were move to houses with indoor plumbing and modern appliances only to sell them back and go back to the shit they came from after the government bulldoze all their shit hole, they rebuild their shanty town.
To all of you socialist some people can be help!
Hell I met some people from Europe hippies leaving is those conditions in Paraguay can you believe that.
Hands outs never work!!
Here in the US entire buildings of low income houses were created only to become a crime and drug infested nest. Some humans are incapable of being help! They should have the freedom to be poor!
Hand outs never work!
Jobs Education and medical care the government should do no more than that! And should not be free but affordable some payment have to be instituted for those services “work will set you free” did I read that somewhere in Germany I can remember where can you?
70 years of Social Democracy made Sweden what it is today.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 061 years of Colorados made Paraguay what it is today.
I rest my case
;)
Socialists cannot allow free people or countries exist. Yet libertarians could care less if a socialist community exists. One is a parasite while the other the host. Socialism only works until the money runs out. Socialism, like many forms of gov, use force to achieve their goals. Libertarians ask only to be allowed to work freely. Btw you are not our brothers.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I rest my case.
Never said I was your brother.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you check again, I said the Paraguayans are...
;)
Please do not compare the dictatorship from the left is South America with socialism in Sweden is an insult to my intelligence and everybody else in this forum.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their tax rate is 70 % but it come back to them unlike in Latin America. They have education health care all their needs taking care and have one of the highest suicide rates in the world. You can’t please all the people all the time; I rest my case.
Is so coincidental that you mention Sweden part of my family is Swedish two of my cousins committed suicide nothing to struggle too boring when everything is easy.
cornelius
Apr 21st, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Their tax is 70%?
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“An insult to your intelligence”
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@41
Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thelocal.se/43900/20121018/#.UXPCsMrUvwM
http://www.skatteverket.se/privat/skatter/arbeteinkomst/vadblirskatten/skattetabeller/kommunalaskattesatsermmunder2013/skattesatserdetaljniva.4.2b543913a42158acf800016834.html
Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Choose year and county and just see for yourself.
You are talking about top taxing.
And “the Swedes” are not top taxed, just the awfully rich Swedes are.
Sorry, never meant to insult your intelligence.
;)
“Swedes who earn a salary on par with the average municipal worker contribute the equivalent of 70 percent of their monthly salaries in taxes, a new study has found.”
Apr 21st, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0So municipal workers are now the awful rich Swedes !
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Apr 21st, 2013 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your site vs. Skatteverket (Swedish Taxing Office)
Whom to believe...
As usual Stevie you misdirect.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The article is not quoting individual payroll taxes and that is what the tax office site is doing.
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Apr 21st, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, those 70% are payroll taxes, VAT and the all elusive employer tax.
That would mean that every Swede has 30% left of his salary after taxes and consumption.School - paid. Roads - paid. Healthcare - paid. Sports facilities - paid. And the state contributes with money for University and housing. And still they have 30% of their salary left in their pockets. That's pure beauty.
Got to love those Swedes :)
It is not such an utopia as you pretend.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Health care is not completely free.
Housing is not free.
You still have to pay for Electricity, Heating and Water.
Also free does always equate to the best but often to mediocre.
There are a lot of people in Sweden who would not agree with your views.
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Apr 21st, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, health care isn't completely free, you pay a symbolic amount for a treatment.
And I never said housing was free, they get an amount of money based on your income.
I wouldn't call Swedens public education system mediocre, by no means. As little as I would refer to their health care as mediocre.
Declining, yes. Since the introduction of neo-liberalism, free market and banking frauds, the Swedes have had to pay with their welfare too, just like everybody else.
@49
Apr 21st, 2013 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are a lot of people in Sweden who do not agree with your views.
But what the heck!
Let them disagree all they want.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But compare Paraguays 61 years of Colorados with Swedens 70 years of Social Democracy...
Sweden huh?
Apr 21st, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, what with one of the highest rape incidences in the world its a very jolly place... obviously.
It is clearly a societal result that is highly desirous... to the mentally deranged.
Stevie About the same number of casualty in suicide and military casualties’ maybe more suicides, that’s what tax does to you: You kill yourself.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What? The Swedes are at the top of all those lists you always refer to when trying to explaining how bad the SA nations are faring.
Apr 21st, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you don't like your lists anymore?
Hahahaha!!!
@ 54 Stevie Things are not as simple as you think we humans have evolve with a gene of self preservation it is very difficult to turn that off our species depend on it we are constantly seeking challenge in the absent of we devolve, thus in Sweden you have one of the highest suicide rate in the world. Sweden is not a panacea no such utopia I personally will not want to live in such circumstances time will tell who is right.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Furthermore I know a little about Paraguay there was genocide a war with 3 armies in the 1870 a war against Bolivia and since then a de facto economic blockade by its neighbors so Paraguay is defiant and they tried other ways with illegal trade’s contraband and a hidden economy value at 13,000 billion. dollars (Walt street numbers) so is all about survival, that is the culture in Paraguay is an island surrounded by land and neighbor’s that are hostile , suspended from Mercosur and Unasur to me it is amazing that they still exist as a country, I admired their spirit of defiance.
Take a look who they elected today as president a not so clean person, but nobody in that country is completely clean it is just an emerging Australia.
A de facto economic blockade since 1870? In Paraguay?
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaha!!!
@51 Stevie
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The people of Paraguay also don't agree with you.
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Apr 22nd, 2013 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, the guaraníes chose a drug-trafficking, money-laundrying homophobe to be their leader because those are known to improve the life of the poor. In Paraguay, that would be 50% of the population...
Hahahahaha!!!
Steve your left wing ideology is dying “There is no Education At the second Kick of the Mule ” How many times you need to be kick to learn?and I consider this no laughing matter the mule can kill you!
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The mule lies and lies, and kicks and kicks.
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0In SA, we have this thing called “freno mulero”.
With that, the mule is left moribund.
The lies have become screams. the kicks, a habit.
There is no second lesson, we learnt it back in the 70's.
Should the mule try to kill again, the freno mulero will sit on its neck.
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Stevie:Take a look at Europe and the social program obviously you can learn from leaving examples some countries will last longer but the model is dead look at the facts!
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Greece, Spain, Italy .France, Ireland, Portugal.
Paraguay will sell the Drugs to all the left wing countries and they will use their welfare checks to buy them since there is no work the only thing left is Drugs Uruguay is on his way to legalize drugs Paraguay will do just like the English remember the Opium that slave the Chinese.
Baxter @ 18
Apr 22nd, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speak to any Uruguayan and he will hand his head in shame over the war of the Triple Alliance. Uruguayan President Santos apologised and returned the battle trophies as far back as 1884.
Current Uruguayan President Mujica should also apologise to Paraguay for once again having ganged up on Paraguay. I hope our next president will.
Long live Paraguay, the Falklands and Uruguay. We must learn to utterly ignore Argentina.
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