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In chaotic session Argentina approves controversial bills of the judicial reform
Argentina’s Lower House passed early Thursday morning after an overnight and at time chaotic debate the most controversial bills contained in a judicial reform which the administration of President Cristina Fernandez is obsessed in having approved before mid May. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment ruleswell I'll say this for Argentine politics, at least it's never boring.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the government will now control the judiciary, they will use this to pass the media law & control the press, they already control the central bank therefore
Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Control of Judiciary + Press + Banking = Dictatorship!!!
I always said that they elected a dictator...amazing....
Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”“Control of Judiciary + Press + Banking = Dictatorship!!!”“”
Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0thank god that they at least have not got a convenient small & defenseless land nearby to them which they cna demand as being theirs and which they need as “Living space” as well as it being “theirs” historically.
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Well at least the British nation still exist - is it fated always to be the solitary nation standing up against Germanic-sounding nationalistic Dictatorships?
It certainly seems that way.
All we need now is George “the cat” Galloway stepping of a lane with a white piece of paper citing “Peace in our time” and we can all shout BINGO!
please see programme about Argentina's “economic miracle”
Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxATngnqgv8
Not even the most loyal CFK supporters can deny this is a full dictatorship now.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0What they called democracy died today
I still don't think it will postpone the nice Romanian style retirement party that some have planned though
That can't be too far off now
Dilma's PT has long been trying to control media and now the party is also trying to control judiciary in Brazil. They've been threatening some aspects of Plano Real too, not to mention the statistical tricks. Brazil is about to become Argentina.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was a chap with a toothbrush moustache who did the same thing. Wonder what happened to him?
Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine people need to look real close at Venezuela and CUba and start getting use to the path they voted into office.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a real problem in voting themselves all this power, sooner or later the government will change & I assume some form of opposition will be in power
Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hence the future government will inherit all the control & politics being politics will no doubt use it to their advantage
Are the kirchneristas too short sighted to see this or do they think they will be in power indefinitely...... as a famous philosopher once said ¨the cemeteries are full of indispensable people´
Balance of power is obviously not a constitution requisite. Even during a majority ruling party in power, the minority needs to have some balance as well.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This won't stop corruption. It will just substitute one type of corruption for another
Apr 26th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 8 - I don't like the PT, but how are they trying to control the media and judiciary? That's just nonesense. And Brazil lives a completely different situation than Argentina.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 yes the Kirchners are very short-sighted, and the Kirchneristas are very long-sighted (you think their careers will end with CFK?), as is the opposition. Some of these laws will get appealed due to unconstitutionality claims, which will buy the opposition enough time until they get to power. Macri said that the next government will repeal these laws, but he's either naive or lying.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This judicial reform was inevitable, the Magistrature Council was created by Menem and the Radicals in the 1994 constitution precisely so that the President could control the Judiciary. The original Magistrature Council gave little power to the Executive but this could be changed by a simple law as stated in the 94 Constitution and since Congress is usually under the President's control such a power grab was inevitable.
Great news, now time to move on the Clarin monopoly =)
Apr 26th, 2013 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#4 Are you comparing Galloway to Chamberlain there? He's more like Churchill!
#10 Thats why its a democratisation of the judiciary, rather than a power grab =)
@14
Apr 26th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the kirchneristas careers will end once CFK is voted out....... if they are thinking ahead then they are just trying to cover their arses because now that the corruption scandals are out in the open, the next government may be forced to clean up politics a little & everyone caught with their hands in the till will end up in the “carcel” ........... unless they have friends in high places of course!!!
So you believe in elected juris prudence....political minded judges bk?
Apr 26th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 - Captain Poppy
Apr 26th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course he does, as long as they're politically minded towards 'his' way of thinking.
That is the 'socialists' understanding of democracy. You democratise 'everything' in your favour.
Of course most people understand that this actually means to control everything, and destroy freedom and actual democracy and replace it with a dictatorship that calls itself 'democratic'.
And in a way they're correct. Democratic meaning rule by the people. In this case it means rule by 'a few' people, and the masses should just be grateful for the scraps thrown to them.
Let's see we have:
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea
The Democratic Republic of the Congo
To name but two.
I wonder when the Democratic People's Republic of Argentina will come into existence...maybe it already has.
@16 there won´t be any cleanup. In Argentina, corruption is intrinsic to politics, almost all politicians are corrupt, so there won´t be any cleanup save for some small fish. All the Menem politicians joined the Kirchnerists and are still untouched, same thing will happen with the Kirchnerists.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dark day for their democracy, is it so hard to understand that the judiciary and the executive are meant to be independent from each other. Seems that some people do not know the meaning of a fundamental principle.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still, it is their constitution and they can do with it what they like. I know what a pig looks like, even if you call it a cow!
@MM
Apr 26th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know what you mean...... if the biggest kirchnerista of all, Nestor was able to sneak off with about a billion dollars from the privatization of YPF when Menem was in power then you can see how intrinsic corruption is in RG land
The Harlot will accelerate the destruction she's causing, and she will burn for this.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always said the Argentine's really do not understand the concept of democracy. But they have mastered the perception of democracy by allowing the masses to think they have it.
Apr 26th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I watched the debates on TV I wondered what would happen in my country if the Prime Minister suggested that the tenure of judges should once again , as it did many centuries ago , depend on the pleasure of the monarch .I do not think that he would finish his speech ! On a more serious note , I read about steam rollers but this debate was run like an army boot camp .
Apr 26th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#17 I'm in favour of judges that don't collude with corrupt media...
Apr 26th, 2013 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#18 “Let's see we have:
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea
The Democratic Republic of the Congo”
And the Union of Democratic Mineworkers, Thatcher's favorite scab union...
#19 “All the Menem politicians joined the Kirchnerists and are still untouched”
If so, that's like the Blairites having to accept Galloway as their leader; ideally they should be purged if they are hypocrites who don't really believe in Cristina's radical policies, but perhaps having to work under such a radical leader is even more poetic justice!
@25 - you are a twat of the highest order
Apr 26th, 2013 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25 judges collude with corrupt media LOL ! you don't live in the real world do you ! How much of the media does the government control ? and once they pass the media law which is very obvious they will do now they have the power & then turn their attention to dismantle Clarin group ! I wonder what that % of control will be.....
Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0BK why can't you respond to a point by disabling it rather than taking a new path? Is it because you cannot refute what MM said about Menem and Kirchnerites so you say something irrelevant?
Apr 27th, 2013 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The judiciary has been castrated by this bill. It will become a lynch mob and a rubber stamp for CFK. Argentina, say hello to Venezuela and welcome to your new dictatorship!
Apr 27th, 2013 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 026 A well made point and difficult to dispute.
Apr 27th, 2013 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to Transparency International, Argentina, prior to taking over the Judiciary ranked 133 out of 144 and when further slide after this law is enacted. Time to remove Democracy as a form a government soon as well.
Apr 28th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.transparency.org/news/feature/argentina_and_the_judiciary_subverting_the_rule_of_law
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