MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falkland Island’s: Argentina reclaims “absolute and exclusive sovereignty over the Islands”
Defence minister Arturo Puricelli said that Argentines “are not prepared to tolerate the usurpation” of the Malvinas Islands ‘for the rest of our lives’ and the honour and glory for those who fought in the South Atlantic “is going to be recalled until we obtain absolute and exclusive sovereignty over our Islands”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt wasn't us , it was the terrible Junta, but we will celebrate what they did none the less.
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Couldn't even be arsed reviewing his on troops on foot, you would never see the Queen reviewing her troops 30 feet away in a vehicle with a body guard in between, mind you those bayonets are sharp and pointy. Pathetic!
About as intimidating as the last Argie “bombing run” inside the post office.
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawwwwwnnnnnn, Can someone wake me up when the RG's manage to grow a pair!!
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Design of military instrument? He cannot mean ships keeling over in port, he cannot mean jets not maintained enough to fly, he cannot mean soldiers on.duty in Cyprus catching the clap. He must mean a nice polished bugle!
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0A C130 and a few bell helicopters? Well I suppose that's all they have left
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 Britworker
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny that an Argie government minister is afraid of his own troops.
LOL
We want the islands
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0We demand the islands
We want and demand the islands
We really, really want and absolutely demand the islands
We will not rest until we recover the islands which we want and demand
(Aside)......quick, start the car.
Ok see you all again next year. Adios!
..........drive, drive, faster!!
The problem in Argentina is that nobody's Sancho Panza.
May 02nd, 2013 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the purpose of this speech? Surely the majority of intelligent Argentine citizens have priorities beyond the boring rhetoric of this malvinista nonsense?
May 02nd, 2013 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The silent majority are those who bang their saucepans on a regular basis not those members of La Cámpora and other minority nationalist organisations such as Quebracho. The kircheneristas are digging their own graves.
Better eat your vegetables and quit smoking and drinking because you are going to need a very long life Argie.
May 02nd, 2013 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Puricelli must have been in a different war in 1982. He said
May 02nd, 2013 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Our commitment is to continue training men and women so that they belong to the Armed Forces of our nation with the same interest, courage and heroism displayed by the men, women, military and civilians during the South Atlantic war without asking for explanations, only dedicated to honour the allegiance to the flag”.
Is this the same men and women that abandoned their positions on Mounts Harriet/Kent/Tumbledown and RAN back to Port Stanley where they “heroically” placed anti aircraft guns and missiles next to houses with Falklanders in so that The RAF wouldnt bomb them, using civilians as human shields, Heroic? NOT AT ALL. The same behaviour as Saddam Hussain.
A British soldier once said that given the defensive positions in the hills around Port Stanley 50 Royal Marines could have held off an invading force indefinately so why did the heroic argentinian armed forces run away?
After the sinking of the belgrano their navy also ran back to port and never came out again. Even the two destroyers escorting belgrano ran away instead of picking up survivors.... very very strange traits for heros. I believe it was one of these destroyers that heroically rolled over in port recently.
In fact the aregentinians murders/ invaders of 1982 have nothing to be proud of and nothing to comemorate. They were a defeated, mainly conscripted and poorly organised rabble. They had numerical supremecy, excellent equipment a short supply chain and the advantage of being land based in a south atlantic winter and still lost!!!
What a total embarrasment for the Argentinian Nation.
As a further insult to the defeated military, their head of state couldnt be bothered to turn up to this celebration(?) and review the troops herself.
The Argentinian philosophy regarding armed conflict ...
WAR definition... Whinge And Run.
I couldn't be bothered reading past the title, but I imagine “piss off Puricelli !” is the only response necessary here.
May 02nd, 2013 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“without asking for explanations”
May 02nd, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why did Nuremberg spring to mind?
Soldiers should always ask THEMSELVES if what they are doing is RIGHT.
Just following orders is not a defence.
So I take it there's some further catastrophic economic news coming out of Argieland they're trying to deflect from.
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The pathetic bleating about the Falklands went quiet for a while but now it's back.
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!
“recall” all you like, But it wont change the fact you LOST! heheheheeee
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The pilots were quite brave.
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0A number of argentine army officers were more of a threat to their own men than the british. Hence begging to keep pistols for self defence.
The navy ran away .
argentine military good at murdering and raping their own people who are prefably tied up first or unconcisous.
Climbed tumbledown nearly died doing it how they managed to assualt at night under fire extremely impressive.
I'll give you credit for effort Puricelli, but you are going to have to work a lot harder than that to knock Timerman off top spot in my list of amusing cretins. I'd like to see more failures at strategic and tactical policy making, more embarassment heaped on anybody associated with you, and definitely more examples of being intellectually incompetent of governance. Don't get me wrong, you are all doing extremely well in the latter category but the bar has been set particularly high by Mr “I want to leave”. 2013 is already a vintage year. Its going to be tough for you.
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Goebbels rallies the troops during the last days of the third reich. But where is Mrs Hitler?
May 02nd, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's some interesting features to this. The first is that is usual, in this type of event, for the VIP to be driven past lines of suitably parked aircraft. Where are the aircraft? Now, I know that someone might say that they can see the tailfin of an aircraft in the background. Quite true. But look carefully at that tailfin. What aircraft is it and whose markings are on it? Thing is that “El Palomar Air Force base” is actually El Palomar Airport. It's a public/military airport. Handy for argies, eh? That way, if their “air force base” gets bombed or missiled, they can claim that the attacks were against a civilian target. Clever, eh? As it happens, El Palomar airport is home to the 1st Air Brigade. Two transport squadrons. One flies the C-130 Hercules and the other the Fokker F-28. The air force has 3 C-130s and 1 is a tanker. And it has 5 F-28s. At best, a 26-year old aircraft. A comparable aircraft would be a BAC One-Eleven. That's why there are no aircraft. Because they would only be able to show 8! Hard to compare to the RAF. 14 tankers and 50 transport aircraft, including 32 C130s.
May 02nd, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a dying regime in its death throws trying to rally the troops with propaganda they want to hear but know is not true. The parallels with the 1982 Junta are just staggering & this new junta sure loves whipping people up into a frenzy but without a viable Air force, Army or Navy they are just pissing into the wind.
May 02nd, 2013 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 - Conqueror
May 02nd, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You bring up a good point about the 'joint' military/civilian airport.
In reality, the 'joint' airfield is probably due to the fact that the Argentina military have been so starved of cash that they actually can't afford to run and maintain their own airfields, so have to 'piggy-back' on the civilian airfields.
However, the Argentine military and political class really need to read the Laws of Armed Conflict more carefully.
Any 'civilian' installation being used for the purpose of war become a 'legitimate' target under the Geneva Conventions. So the fact that it is a civilian airfield would become irrelevant in a time of war. It would be a legitimate target should Argentina ever be stupid enough to declare war on the UK.
Of course, the UK's weaponry is so sophisticated that we could probably take out the hangers were the military aircraft were being stored, without damaging the rest of the airport.
We would, of course, have to bomb the runway, denying access to both military and civilian aircraft, but that's what happens if you decide to go to war.
Regarding Puriceilli, however, he is just spouting the usual crap.
Every year that goes by weakens the already spurious claims on sovereignty that Argentina has and strengthens the Falklanders legitimate rights to freedom and self determination.
It's sad that Argentina will remain mired in a fictional past whilst ignoring the present and the future.
That's why it will always remain a 'never-was' country. It couldn't even make it to 'has-been' status.
At least 'has-beens' have actually achieved something, the 'never-was' have never achieved anything, and probably never will.
“Defence minister Arturo Puricelli said that Argentines “are not prepared to tolerate the usurpation” of the Malvinas Islands ‘for the rest of our lives’”
May 02nd, 2013 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if you have everlasting life Putridjelly, you'll have to tolerate self-determination whether you like it or not.
Even prior to the establishment of the right of self-determination, Argentina's claims were baseless because Argentina gave up all claims to the Falklands in an 1850 treaty with Britain. Even if Argentina hadn't given up their claims by treaty, they would have been lost by the absence of any protest between 1850 and 1883. From Argentina's first claim to the Falklands in 1829 to their renunciation of claims in 1850, their claims were very, very weak.
May 02nd, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falklands were to claim sovereignty over Patagonia, the claim would be invalid only for the lack of continuous (at least once a year) protest of the claims. By comparison, Argentina's claim over the Falklands is redundantly invalid.
@2 TT:
May 02nd, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMFAO!!!!!
What, the Army and Navy get no parade?
May 02nd, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Every time I read this clown's name I can only think of a suitable nickname - “Puerile Puricelli”
May 02nd, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely, you can only “reclaim” something that you have lost so either
May 02nd, 2013 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) Sovereignty was never theirs in the first place (in which case it's a “claim”)
2) Or that any claim they thought they had was somehow lost - probably back in 1850 with the Arana Southern Treaty and the lack of protest 90 years thereafter.
This is a bit of a Freudian slip on Putridjelly's part and explains why they are so shit scared of taking their “case” to the ICJ. “Reclaiming” is a bit of an admission that you don't actually have a claim.
@24E D
May 02nd, 2013 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-D
Maybe Mr.Puriccelli should get a reality check after watching these videos. My local airport has been hosting the transports and helicopters and I often catch sight of the warships in the Clyde. It is interesting to note that the landscape in which the exercise is taking place is rather like the Falklands although a harsher terrain. Coincidence or prophetic ?
May 02nd, 2013 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c0jowEVrzA8
www.gov.uk/government/news/royal-marines-push-through-the-enemy-on-joint-warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c0jowEVrzA8
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May 02nd, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The baptism of fire of the Army and Navy Argentina, was in the early nineteenth century, asshole.
@30 José Malvinero - in the early nineteenth century, if you refer to the two British invasions of Buenos Aires, Argentina did not exist. Buenos Aires was a Spanish colonial city and Britain and Spain were at war.
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the late twentieth century Argentina illegally invaded the Falkland Islands, a possession of a friendly nation, and your troops were eventually repulsed some three months later “con los rabos entre las piernas” - ¡una derrota total!
So what is the point you are trying to make? ¡Sinverguenza!
I think you are better off continuing to train men and women for the military until they put bullets through kirchner's botox laden face.
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How does one reclaim something they have no legal rights too(else they would take them to ICJ)? cannot control? do not govern? and does not possess? Proximity is not a claim or else Greenland would be Canada's as would Alaska.
#13 Anglotino- I understand what you are trying to say. I am not sure if you ever served in the armed forces, but orders are a basic concept of discipline in the military. With without, soldiers scatter at the first fire fight. Sometimes it's obvious and should be questioned.....My Lai, but typically it is not always so clear.
@21 Sorry to disagree but you should explore the various argie, and other latino, air bases. Public/military airports are the norm. No money?
May 02nd, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis Apply to 1982 Falklands War.
@30 Whoops, a bit ad hominem there, sonny. BUT, aaah, yes. The army. ”The main foreign influence during this period was, by and large, the prussian (and then German) doctrine. Partly because of that, during both World Wars most of the officers supported the Germans, more or less openly“. Kraut lovers. Also proponents of the ”Dirty War“. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis
And the navy. ”As the cost of maintaining a navy was too high, most of the Argentine naval forces were composed of privateers. Brown led the Argentine navy in further naval conflicts at the War with Brazil and the Anglo-French blockade of the Río de la Plata.
In the late 1800s, the Argentine Navy began modernizing itself.“
Whoops, another history rewrite.
Notably, in 1982, one argie vessel was fired upon, and sunk. The rest of the argie navy ran.
Notably, in 1982, despite defensible positions that Royal Marines said they could have held ”forever“, the argie army ran. 11,313 prisoners.
The baptism of the ”poofs”.
The “poofs”, maybe, were the Argentine Army officers who, apparently, had no idea of how to conduct themselves and how to treat their troops.
May 02nd, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet all the squaddies on parade had their rifles 'cleared' and they themselves were searched for live rounds before Putridjelli, the Hero of the Hour, was let anywhere near them.
May 02nd, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0take a look at photos from todays protest outside LAN office in B.A there are approx. 6 people burning flags and looking stupid
May 02nd, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.facebook.com/resistenciamalvinas2013/photos_stream
Argentina are out of the game, it's over.
May 02nd, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Expect more noise when we get the 'Messi dollar' and then when inflation hits 50%
not long to wait now!
I just read this article and all i can recall of what he said was:
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0blah blah blah, blahblah, blah blah blah blah bullshit blah blah blahblah blah bullshit for home consumption blah blah blahblahblahblah”
Have I summarized his glorification of the war that they started but is the UKs fault, accurately?
@38, no you have it all wrong, the 12000 troops they landed were peace envoys, they only wanted peaceful negotiations. All the illegal aggression came from Margaret Thatcher.
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[/argtard]
9.63 Almost there! Soooo close
May 02nd, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38, “Have I summarized his glorification of the war that they started but is the UKs fault, accurately?”
May 02nd, 2013 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The metanarative is pretty much that either Maggie started it by not engaging the Junta or was it by engaging the Junta, or was it by occupying the Islands or not occupying them enough creating an false invitation... certain Malvanistas here? The fashion of fascists in denial is so hard to keep track of sometimes.
@39, No No No... they were there to protect the Junta's secret police they also sent from the local thought criminals who were threatening the Junta's personal safety by having a life.
@40 my money is on 10.00 on Monday @1035 .... any other punters out there?
May 03rd, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I think 10 is the magic number.....
@30
May 03rd, 2013 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sticks and stones, sticks and stones. Someone should have told them they were fighting in the 20C, they might have done a better job of it, but I doubt it!
”Argentina reclaims “absolute and exclusive sovereignty over the Islands”
May 03rd, 2013 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess its is a clear message from Argies land.
I would be f@king scary if I would Britain...
clear as the shit that comes out of cuntface kirchner's mouth. When will they put a bullet through her head? Ahhhh....perhaps they do not have armor piercing rounds.
May 03rd, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Dunny-Burger
May 03rd, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, you would be scared of a old plastic faced hag who screamed her head off at the whisper of “there are STILL no Malvinas you old hag”.
Oh, oh. Just realised the grammatical error in what I have posted: YOU ARE SCARED OF TMBOA!
#44
May 03rd, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be f@king scary if I would Britain...
That's the difference, you would be, we are not. Simples.
To saber rattle properly you actually need to get your saber out of the pawn shop to rattle it.
May 03rd, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Argentina reclaims “absolute and exclusive sovereignty over the Islands” but they have to present proof of this first. Their claim at the present is based on fairy tales and myths and they seem to have overlooked the Arana Southern Treaty - the treaty of Perfect Friendship - in which the claim is forgotten.
May 03rd, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given their history of running off to the courts, if they really had a legitimate claim they would have been at the ICJ years ago, but they have not and they know it.
May 04th, 2013 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is like a small child, want, want, want. When the grown ups refuse them, they throw tantrums. Still as every one knows, it is an extremely useful distraction and one that never fails.
The old maxim was never truer, if something works, don't change it!
And the answer is:
May 04th, 2013 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK , please continue “militarising” the South Atlantic.
Philippe
“until we obtain absolute and exclusive sovereignty over our Islands”
May 05th, 2013 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow!!! Another war coming soon?...
#52
May 05th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Dany, no doubt you will be leading the charge with shouts of -- BANZAI!!!
Have you reserved your plot in the cemetery ?
@Clayde
May 05th, 2013 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Have you reserved your plot in the cemetery ?”
What for? if I would be death who cares?
Argentina doesn't have the capability of waging an offensive war outside its own borders.
May 05th, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's broke!
Wats happpened to “peaceful means” just goes to show what liars they are.
May 06th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 - Clyde15
May 07th, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dany has already made it abundantly clear that he is willing to sacrifice at least 10,000 Argentines to the 'Malvina's' cause.
He's a tactical genius, don't you know? He told me so himself. Of course I'm still waiting for his answers as to how he's going to get the Argentine army to the Falklands considering what's left of their Navy is non-effective. And he has yet to answer how he's going to resupply theses 10,000 Argentine troops with food, ammunition and medical supplies. No can he say how he would evacuate the wounded.
In fact, his tactics appear to be as simply as pointing vaguely in the direction of the Falklands and shouting “GO!” at the sacrificial lambs...er...troops.
However, he is certainly wouldn't be among them as he is unwilling to sacrifice himself for the cause, as he is a coward.
@57: “Of course I'm still waiting for his answers as to how he's going to get the Argentine army to the Falklands considering what's left of their Navy is non-effective.”
May 07th, 2013 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe Chicureo's whacky Poe's Lawlicious devil's advocacy in an adjacent thread they'll be flying commercial code shared Aerolineas Argentinas/Air Koryo flights into Mount Pleasant airport. Rack up those frequent flyer miles boys! You'll get “Most Excellent Horselike Factory Worker” Status in no time. No counter-revolutionary bourgeois upgrades but you get a nice luggage tag with his most Glorious Chubby Leader's portrait on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5tkXgw2OMY
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