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Gibraltar ‘will never be Spanish’ and will enjoy full self-government says Chief Minister Picardo

Tuesday, May 21st 2013 - 00:29 UTC
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Chief Minister Fabian Picardo has told German readers of Frankfurter Allegmeine Zeitung that he is firmly convinced that Gibraltar will never be Spanish because today’s Europe is about the people rather than the states. Read full article

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  • JamesS

    good on them, maybe the gibraltarians with the other overseas territories who've been placed on a that stupid list, should send a very strong message to the UN General Assembly to reconsider the outdated decolonizing committee with the latest escalade with the French Polynesia trying to force them into something they no longer wish to do...

    May 21st, 2013 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    England needs to come to terms with reality, we are in 2013 and colonies are an anachronism.

    May 21st, 2013 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @2

    England????

    Oh, never mind, that's just you being bitter...

    It's the 21st Century, the reality is that totalitarian states cannot dictate to a PEOPLE against their wishes, ie. deny their SELF-Determination.

    Sorry - you evil creeps.

    May 21st, 2013 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    It's the 21st Century and Canada has an English Queen because the last generation of English “monarchists” hasn't quite died off yet, but soon enough will be history.

    May 21st, 2013 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    4 Marcos

    Marcos

    You dimwit.
    What does our Queen have to do with anything???

    How many times have you been told, shown links, had a chance to educate yourself ?

    A Constituitional Monarchy is NOT a Totalitarian State.

    If, as you say, you have traveled or lived with us, you really should know that.

    Perhaps you don't observe or draw conclusions with any kind of intelligence.

    A Fascist Dictatorship, with State Propaganda, no Freedom of the Press, a Judiciary influenced by pro-government politics, “Nationalised” industries, and government control over private assets, THAT is a Totalitarian State.

    Does it sound familiar to you?

    May 21st, 2013 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    So, given that modern Europe is about people rather than states does that mean that England will dissolve itself and become absorbed into the amorphous whole? If so what will the WoW and her brats do for a living?

    May 21st, 2013 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @6 blasphemer

    What has your post got to do with Gibraltar telling Spain to Foxtrot Oscar?

    As usual you show you racism. Pathetic Tobias, really pathetic.

    Tell me, just when are you going to pick a user name and have the courage to stick to it, instead of always changing in the hopes that people will take you seriously?

    I mean, you can change the name you are using, but you cannot change the nasty little racist rants you explode into, can you?

    By the way, inflation over 30% in Argentina. Can you still afford to feed yourself? Oh but I forgot, you still leach off your parents don't you? Well the way things are going, you'll just have to go out and get yourself a job, otherwise you might starve. I mean getting paid a sausage sandwich and a cheap bottle of plonk is hardly going to pay your parents utility bills, is it?

    May 21st, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @7
    I don't know who this Tobias is. I do have a couple of sock puppets but none of them are Tobias.

    No inflation where I am. I'm sitting in the the afternoon sun spending your money. Of course in these days of quantitative easing the English # is not what it was so there is going to be another large shipment of currency. The challenge is to spend the #s while they still have some value.

    So, if you notice your standard of living plummeting in the next few years you'll know what happened.

    May 21st, 2013 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @8 Tobias

    You are transferring again. This is what happens when your country is in dire straits, 34% plus inflation, the Peso that isn't worth the paper it's printed on, the loss of democracy, the loss of justice, a quarter of your population living in squalour and poverty.

    So instead of facing reality and trying to do something about it, you transfer all your frustration and hate onto a 3rd party.

    It won't work, you live in Argentina which is a country that is heading straight to third world status. Your politicians spend all of their time stealing the countries money and lining their own pockets, whilst children starve.

    Yup, and the worse it gets the angrier you become, and therefore you feel the need to 'blame' someone.

    So you look across the ocean to a country that is some much better run than yours is. A 1st world country that is one of the top economies in the world, with one of the best militaries in the world, a country whose influence and reach makes you green with envy.

    But remember, envy is one of the 7 deadly sins. Anger is a sin too. As is hate.

    Spain is also in the same predicament as Argentina, only the people of Spain aren't nearly as gullible. They actually don't care about Gibraltar, they care about the fact that they have no jobs, no prospects and no future, and they want their government to do something about it, instead of constantly harping on about a non-issue that doesn't affect their day to day living.

    The problem for the Spanish government, just like the government of Argentina is that they don't know how to get out of the mess they've gotten themselves in, so they both resort to the same tired tactics, that have never worked and never will.

    Pity.

    May 21st, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #6 Indeed. I actually wish it was true that today's Europe was about people not states, I generally like people more than states, but its just a soundbite, and British politics seems to be going the other way with the SNP and UKIP =(

    May 21st, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    It's so funny when you have an article based on a interview of a democratically elected leader of a European BOT being interviewed by a German newspaper, causes the Malvinistas so much concern. They hate the fact that these people are loyal to the British Crown out of choice, it's something they cannot comprehend.

    May 21st, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 Here's some reality, socko. The UK has had some economic difficulties. Still building those nuclear-propelled submarines, guided missile destroyers and supercarriers though! Meanwhile, Spain is like argieland. strong with the weak, weak with the strong. And failing. Argieland (41 million) fails to subdue British Falkland Islands (2,400). Spain (47 million) fails to subdue Gibraltar (30,000). Argieland failing under a totalitarian regime. Spain failing under a totalitarian regime. Hey ho for reality!

    May 21st, 2013 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @4 Marcos Alejandro

    “It's the 21st Century and Canada has an English Queen because the last generation of English “monarchists” hasn't quite died off yet, but soon enough will be history.”

    You are a true product of your country and education - stupid, naive, infantile and jealous.

    Try doing a little research on Australia's republican referendum. So much for a previous generation.... all the way back in 19friggin99.

    When your country can go an entire century without the military or a dictatorship trampling your democratic rights, then feel free to lecture a Commonwealth Realm about how they should govern themselves. Until then shut the feck up you mindless drone.

    Don't you get it? Your country was not a role model in the past, it is not a role model in the present and it will never be a role model on the future either. You are mediocrity personified.

    You would be lucky to live under a constitutional monarchy as benign as Canada, Australia or the UK does. So enjoy your presidential system and as I said, get back to is when you have managed to actually stay a democracy for 100 years. It can't be too hard can it?

    May 21st, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • TroLLey_to_Truth

    This fatso should be punched in the face. He wants “compromise” from the Spanish, when he utters completely unnecessary and useless statements like “Gibraltar will never be Spanish”.

    How does he know that? For some reason, people could change their minds as unlikely as it may seem today, so for any politician to state something is certain in the future spanning hundreds of years strikes as just empty jactitation.

    Even if it is true, how does fatboy saying it publicly advanced his cause in anyway? Some things are best left unsaid, ins't that an English saying you fatso? Learn your own culture first.

    So he says that but then expects “soothing” words from the Spanish lol. The fat must be blocking his bloodflow to the brain.

    May 21st, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    13Anglotino

    “You would be lucky to live under a constitutional monarchy as benign as Canada, Australia or the UK does. So enjoy your presidential system and as I said, get back to is when you have managed to actually stay a democracy for 100 years. It can't be too hard can it?”

    Don't waste your time, Anglotino.

    Marcos fled from this thread ages ago.

    Marcos does not really believe what he is saying - no courage of his 'convictions'.

    On the other hand, TeenTobyTroll is an idiot who is fully indoctrinated. He'll continue to argue even when he does not make sense.

    What a pair of dumkopfs

    :-D

    May 21st, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • TroLLey_to_Truth

    @13

    Problem is, Australia has never been a democracy, or independent.

    May 21st, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @14 Gibraltar will never be Spanish. Because the people there are Gibraltarians. And British! And no latino can overcome the British.
    @16 But then, neither has argieland! Or Spain!

    May 21st, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #16
    What is the problem ? Under which administration would most of the world choose to live ? Argentina or Australia. It's a biggy

    You are welcome to live in your “democratic ”system with your fully accountable, honest government with whom the rest of the world agrees on all their actions and pronouncements.
    What else could a patriot desire. There could not possibly be a better system or a country to live in. You know, never having been anywhere of note and believing all the historic crap with which you are fed.

    May 21st, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    2=4=6=10

    being anti will get you knowhere,

    gibralter will remain free
    the falklands will remain free,

    and so will the others remain free,
    and no, you will not get your tiny little grubby hands on them.

    May 21st, 2013 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @16TTT

    Problem is, Australia has never been a democracy, or independent.”

    Do you pluck these things out of thin air???!

    You wouldn't recognise Democracy

    You are just trolling - Australia is recognised and defined as a democratic state by all but you, child.

    May 21st, 2013 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    16 - Trolley....blah....blah

    Presumably the Argentine Ambassador has expressed that opinion to his ministerial counterpart in Australia. Perhaps Argentina should go to the UN and try to get Australia expelled as it is not an independent nation. Maybe they should be campaigning for it to bee put on the UN Decolonisation Committees list of Non Self Governing Territories, go on do it, I am in need of a laugh. And there is no such thing as a diplomatic Australian.

    May 21st, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Nostrils. Totally ineffectual as per usual. How does it feel to read what people write about your poor dysfunctional country. What a sheer waste of time all that language learning has been if this is considered the pinnacle of its usage.

    You are young, naive and also a product of the Argentine school system; you are too juvenile and ineffectual to realise that you actually support and propagate the negative view of Argentina.

    Don't you see, you don't even rebut, disprove or counter facts and opinions that are stated on here. Therefore you perpetuate them by your very existence here when you state erroneous flatulence like above.

    You are in a prison of your parent's making. Trapped in a secondary city of a yet again failing country.

    You can't leave Argentina. It's like a prison camp. Incarcerated by sky high inflation and a worthless currency as your government won't give you enough to do anything outside Argentina. You are slowly realising you are in a gulag and will only see the world through the Internet. You will never backpack and work your way around Europe for 2 1/2 years like I did when I was 21.

    And even through the Internet your bitterness is palpable.

    You and other mindless drones like Marcos can say whatever you want about places like Canada, UK and Australia. Because they are so easily rebutted and refuted it is like you are muzzled.

    Don't you get it, it is our view of your country that is slowly seeping into the world's imagination not yours because you don't have one. People like you and Marcos and Jose and Think and Stevie and Raul and Axel are actually feeding this impression because you can't argue. You can't challenge. You can't represent. You can't disprove.

    Gawd help us if you are indicative of what is being produced by Argentine universities because your country's future is all kinds of fecked up.

    And that Nostrils, is how you reply. Not your pathetic ejaculate in post 16.

    May 21st, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #12 “The UK has had some economic difficulties. Still building those nuclear-propelled submarines, guided missile destroyers and supercarriers though!”

    I know, what a waste of money!

    May 21st, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @23 BK

    The only waste I see is my taxes paying you welfare so you can continue to leech off society.

    Submarines are very useful. Building them in the UK is useful too. All those people kept employed.

    Besides since you've never paid tax in your life, what right do you have to say how the tax revenues are spent?

    May 21st, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #23
    Just a technical point IF you are a Scot, then you would know that the 6 Destroyers have been built and the last one was delivered to the RN at Portsmouth today. If you took yourself to the old Yarrows and Fairfield yards, I think you could verify that we are not building any Destroyers at present.
    I presume your brief is for the UK to disband its armed forces in entirety. Thankfully for the UK your brand of “ultra socialism” will never get voted into any sort of parliament, Our electorate is a bit too “savvy” for that.

    May 21st, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @13
    The “Commonwealth Realm” is such an inconsequential organisation that it is never heard of, so I looked it up. It turns out that they have meetings from time to time. And the next one is in Sri Lanka. I think we all know of the deplorable human right record that the country has. Canada, to its credit, has refused to attend. It seems that there is still some honor north of the border.

    Not so in England or Australia. The WoW will not be going because of health so she is sending one of her bastards. Shame on those 2 countries. And shame on all the other British countries!

    May 22nd, 2013 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #25 “I presume your brief is for the UK to disband its armed forces in entirety”

    No. We can't leave ourselves completely open to attack, as long as other countries have armed forces we need some too (though that said, Costa Rica seems to be doing OK!). But what I object to is expanding an already bloated military when cutting everything else, and of course nuclear weapons are entirely useless in defending us from the actual threats of todays world, as well as insanely dangerous...

    “Thankfully for the UK your brand of “ultra socialism” will never get voted into any sort of parliament”

    I thought you said you were socialist, oh well, there goes another sock puppet trick!

    May 22nd, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @26TTT

    “The “Commonwealth Realm” is such an inconsequential organisation that it is never heard of, so I looked it up. It turns out that they have meetings from time to time.”

    LOL !!! Seems to be doing better than Mercosur.

    Still racist and hateful, aren't you?
    Any other reason to object to the British Commonwealth?

    Sorry, you are not allowed to join.

    If the Falklands were to become independent, they would be welcomed.

    :-)

    May 22nd, 2013 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Thanks for airing your ignorance Nostrils.

    May 22nd, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #27
    Yes, I have socialist leanings but not ULTRA socialist which you seem to propound. Tommy Sheridan et al !! God help us !
    My Grandfather was a member of the boiler maker's union in Jarrow in 1898. He was blacklisted for his union activities and came back to Glasgow but could not get a job in the shipyards because of this. My father met my mother in Tom Kerr's socialist choir in the mid 1920's. I was never inculcated with socialist propaganda but left to make up my own mind.
    It's hard not to be a labour supporter if you were brought up in the shipbuilding area of Whiteinch.
    In my teens I was a member of the Folk Song club based in Montrose Street off George Square. There I met Norman and JaneyBuchan, Matt McGinn - all with socialist tendencies.
    I am also a distant relation of John MacLean - Red Clydesider -on my mother's side.
    As for me being a “sock puppet” that is good coming from you !
    Your posts are nothing but a sycophantic adolescent love affair with CFK and all things Argentinian.
    On another thread, J.MALEVOLENT asked where I was born
    I gave him a potted history.
    You continually tell us you are Scottish- prove it.
    What school did you attend, when, in what town do you live.
    Simple requests that I could verify and no need to give addresses or anything that could identify you in person
    Until then, you are anything but convincing and just appear as a La Campora sock puppet pretending to be something you are not.

    May 22nd, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    BK
    please dont be so desperate.lol

    May 22nd, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alan

    @2
    Have you ever being to Melilla or Ceuta - they are 'integral' parts of Spain - but where? -- N Africa. Kettle, pot and black come to mind.

    May 22nd, 2013 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    #30 “My Grandfather was a member of the boiler maker's union in Jarrow in 1898. He was blacklisted for his union activities and came back to Glasgow but could not get a job in the shipyards because of this. My father met my mother in Tom Kerr's socialist choir in the mid 1920's”

    Sounds like they would have liked Cristina, Sheridan et all if they were still with us =)

    “I was never inculcated with socialist propaganda but left to make up my own mind”

    Itself a good progressive approach to childraising, which I endorse =)

    “I am also a distant relation of John MacLean - Red Clydesider -on my mother's side”

    A great man, the Scottish Che Guevara =)

    May 22nd, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @28
    Why do you think that anybody would want to join your gang of criminal and homicidal maniacs?

    May 23rd, 2013 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #34
    Because they are nice people unlike the racist bigots inhabiting an usurped land which they named Argentina.

    May 23rd, 2013 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • John III (Pope)

    @13
    So you consider murders and rapists “nice people”? Of all you British the Canadians are the only ones with honor

    May 24th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #36
    No, I do not consider Argentinians as nice people. This can palpably be seen from the people like you and your fellow trolls.

    A piece of news for you , Canadians are NOT BRITISH - ask them and note their reply.
    Gross failure in the Argentinian school system again - along with the Malvinas myth.

    May 24th, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @34Tedious Teen Troll

    “Why do you think that anybody would want to join your gang of criminal and homicidal maniacs?”

    Homicidal maniacs, LOL!!!

    Once again, the little typist who never leaves Mendoza, is commenting on a world he knows nothing about.

    Once again, you spew out the propaganda you memorised, about countries and events.

    You would be lucky to live in our society.

    But then, as I said, we would not want you.

    Go back to your genocides and your war to oppress your own people.

    May 24th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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