Northern Argentina Qom indigenous community leaders this week held a formal meeting with Supreme Court justices and Formosa government officials. After the hearing, the community leader Félix Díaz requested President Cristina Fernández support in a controversy over land property they have with the provincial authorities in Formosa. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThere is more of a chance the Qom will get their land back than the Scots and Welsh their land back.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a definite then.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One subtle difference, the Welsh and the Scots are still living on theirs. Say the same about your indigious populations can you?
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So where are the Qom living right now? Moldova? Djibouti?
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Patagonian Genocides were committed by Argentina against the Selknam and Mapuche people.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a crap answer. You colonised their lands and they are trying to keep whatever they have left. Is that not what this story is about, keeping you from taking more more of it?
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have no land, they are under Argentine jurisdiction. Their laws or international laws do not apply here. Nor does the UN charter of self-determination since a precondition to signing the UN was that no RETROACTIVE enforcement was allowed.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is more of a chance the Qom will get their land back - Big of you - I think they would have had more than 600 hectares before Europeans came
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They could also have been exterminated by now. The funny thing about revisionists such as yourselves, is that you call Argentina all these names but you forget that in 1868 a law was passed to protect the Native tribes from attacks against each other.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All over the Americas, many tribes were extermimated by other tribes. That has not happened in Argentina since that treaty. (the only case was the extinction of the Tierra del Fuego natives, and that was a combinatino of disease and criminal behavior by Europeans, actually many of them BRITISH settlers).
The Formosa Gov't sends out goons (they call them Police) to run them off of their land pretty frequently. If that doesn't work they burn them out, if that doesn't work they rape the women ( and the men but that doesn't get into the news often) and if that doesn't work they kill the leaders or their family.
May 23rd, 2013 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These outer provinces are basically feudal states run by a single family. They are the law or what passes for it in this horrible country.
Formosa is so much like Jesusland in the USA (Alabama, Mississippi, Lusiana, Southern Carolina, Georgia, Oaklandhoma): uber-religious, racist, run by the same party, hot, and poor.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you know why half the USA is basically a dump.
The Welsh live in Wales, the Scots live in Scotland.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Argentines live in Qomland, give it back, you thieving imperialistic colonists, or someone might advise them to take you to the UN or worse, they could ask C24 to put them on that famous list!
What difference did it make to the indigenous after Argentina became a republic? The culture of Argentina is still 99% European/European derived.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1968 a law was passed to protect the Natives?? Hmm what year was the Conquest of the Desert? Lead by General Julio Argentina Rocca - that's a real good British name!!! - By the way you are partly right(in my opinion anyway) - No European nation has a good record in dealing with indiginous peoples.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 011. How in your pea brain could you compare lovely, productive USA states to one of the most backward places in South America?
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gads you are so f'ing delusional and irrational it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
@14
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was 1888 (a law prohibiting warfare between tribes). And by the way, in former BRITISH COLONIES blacks were officially 3rd rate INFERIORS until 1964, 1990, and who knows about Australia I think the aborigenes are still not full citizens with full rights (2013)!!!!
And they generally remain 2nd hand citizens,
yeah but this is now and that was then...
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.8300.com.ar/2013/01/10/otro-asesinato-a-qom-esta-vez-de-la-comunidad-la-primavera/?goback=%2Egde_43780_member_208159589
Daniel Diaz Asikaj young Qom community of Formosa Spring, was the son of Paul Asijak and Norma Diaz, brother and sister of Felix Diaz , coincidentally. The 16 year old appeared lying dead in the road beside the motorcycle he was traveling with a blow to the head that the doctors who attended say it was an iron product.
That dump of Formosa is still richer, cleaner, and safer than most of Latin America
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.google.com/search?q=ciudad+de+formosa&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enUS520US520&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4neeUcifCIy-9QSJv4HoDw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=630
Fitting the first picture is a cross... Jesusland. Just like half of the USA which is a backwards swamp. But the city looks fairly like a paradise compared to Lima, Caracas, Rio, and most other smaller towns in Latin America which are dirt poor and nothing more than hillside slums.
in former BRITISH COLONIES blacks were officially 3rd rate INFERIORS until 1964,1990 - explanation please??
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aborigines in Australia - Yes I know they have grievances(whick I think many Aussies sypathise with) but they are full citizens?
In former British Colony of the USA: JIM CROW laws until the 1970s.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In former British Colony of South Africa: APARTHEID
In former British Colony of Australia: the Lost GENERATION
should I go on...
@17
The indians are to blame. Many don't do enough to fend for themselves.
Who said this? Not me... it was YOU!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMu1JHulUUE
哈 哈 哈 !
So we both agree it is a dump. OK just like most of your country.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that is probably a first
One question why do you hate so many types of people?
Now it is religious people
You have serious anger problems
I hope you don't pay your shrink
It isn't working
Where did I say I hate religious people? I only described the southern USA. Not my fault if it happens to be that that area is both uber-religious and rather racist at the same time.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Former British colony means it is a former colony - means that these countries are independent. Finland is a former colony of Russia - note the word FORMER. In 2013 Indians should not have to 'fend' for themselves - the law should protect all.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OH, you must be new here.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I know the British love to vaunt about how their legacy in their former colonies was so great, yet immediately disassociate themselves if the legacy happens to be dark (pun intended).
I've had said that many times of the British, and all European nations: they love to brag to no end about their great contributions to the world (you have 4000 years of history and 800 million people vs Argentina 200 years and 40 million people), but immediately sweep under the rugs the nasty little appurtenances of this long history filled with achievements (like the Arctic, Africa, and Asia being split between France, Britain, Portugal, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Russia, Holland well into the 20th century, and causing half a billion dead around the world in 400 years of colonialism).
That wasn't you, only the good things.
US independence 1776. Jim Crow laws enacted 1876.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0100 YEARS LATER.
South African Republic founded 1910. Apartheid introduduced 1948.
38 YEARS LATER.
so what is he trying to prove?
1. The readers of this forum are to stupid to research the information on the net.
2. Like most of his countrymen, he is shit with historical facts and not beyond bending the truth to suit them. Which is a polite way of calling them liars.
Toby, I have NEVER traveled anywhere that is more prejudiced to dark people than in Argentina. Rgs are cruel to people with dark skin even their own mixed-indigenous.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lost the attitude you are one of the least enlightened people I have ever had the unfortunate experience to run across.
@26
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever you say. That's why gay Americans have to flee here just for the ability to go to a civil clerk's office.
Toby
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All your accusations and all your finger pointing is about practices that ended many years ago, or are being dealt with, publicly and legally.
The point of this article is that today, 2013, your country is doing nothing for these people, regardless of your Constitution or your law of 1888, forbidding them to fight amongst themselves.
It has nothing to with what happened in other countries and other peoples.
Very obviously, according to the article, their pleas are falling on the deaf ears of your government.
This does not seem much different than other Argentine genocides.
Aide-toi, le ciel t'aidera
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give Qomland back to the Qoms.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All I inferred was that Argentina - the 8th largest country in the world with not a big population - could surely spare more than a few hundred hectares for one of the original tribes.Further whose causing all the dead in Tibet - Now - not last century. I speak for myself - as I said before No European country has a good record dealing with indiginous people. Just because Argentina is 200 years old does not give it the right to colonial ambitions over smaller territories. Also as many people point out Argentina is predominantly a collection of Europeans, so you have inherited a land because of the crimes that you say were done by Europeans/ former immigrants to Argentina. The indiginous people did not say to the Europeans - Please take our land - they were removed.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nostril
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your history is appalling..
Firstly, look at the Jim Crow laws and then look at which of the United States they were MOST prevalent in. Not those States which were part of the British Empire...by far and away they were more prevalent in Latino southern States. Of course your historical ignorance leads you believe all the US was part of the British Empire.
Your next post is laughable hypocrisy...you like to distance yourselves when the legacy is dark. Then Argentina has a 200 year history in the same post...hahahahahahaha
That is funny Nostril...distancing Argentina from the conquistadors, distancing Argentina from colonialism, Distancing Argentina from the genocide across a continent...THAT WAS YOU! YOU DOPEY FUCKER.
The colonialists weren't the ones who stayed in Europe you dickhead, they were the ones that went to the colonies. Your the Colonialist, the genocidal murdering, slave-driving colonialist....You are correct Nossie, it wasn't us who stayed in Europe it was YOU LOT who actually did the genocide,
So..Nostril. since you stopped calling yourselves Spanish Genocidal Colonialists..and started calling yourselves Argentines (nobody is fooled we know what you are)...what have you achieved in the 200 years since the name change.
Well, you've done a bit more colonising, a bit more genocide (I guess old habits die hard)...you've harboured a few Nazis, the ones who liked experimenting on children, you've had economic collapse, and millions of your population live in abject poverty.
Well done...oh yes...you tried to steal someone else's territory in 1982 and were humiliated, threw a few folk live from aeroplanes over River Plate...and that's it...
How's that for revisionist you genocidal colonialist, nazi sympathising, economically and morally bankrupt, nun killing twat.
Have you lost your virginity yet, or does everyone at school still hate you?
They can live wherever they want, just not in a reservation. To me they are a bad idea, and fosters marginalization and addiction.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the reservations in Canada and the USA, they are about as good as a siberian gulag. Rampant poverty, drug abuse, alcoholism, and no opportunities. And these are countries supposedly wealthy.
Never mind Former British Colonies.
May 23rd, 2013 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about the Current Argentine colony in Qomland? Give it back to the Qoms and whilst your at it, stop trying to colonise peaceful south Atlantic islanders.
How you going to justify it? Ah I get it, KFC is going to introduce a law to stop the Falkland Islands tribes from killing each other!!!
@32
May 23rd, 2013 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can an honest American (all 4 of them), please explain to this Monkey that the southern USA is the MOST BRITISH area of the USA in ancestry (English, Scottish?), and they are proud of it? The northern part is more German, Italian, French (down from Canada), and the west was Spain colonizers.
Funny the North (Italian, German), and the west are FAR MORE tolerant of blacks.
I am not an American, but Mr Trolley your generalisations are amazing! Lousiana / Texas - I suppose Canada - Nova Scotia / British Columbia etc were colonised by Martians.
May 23rd, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 TroLLey_to_Truth
May 23rd, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a retard!!
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You really are arn't you??? and what was that choice turn of phrase that you used????
The indians are to blame. Many don't do enough to fend for themselves
Oh yeah, that was it, so it's all their own fault!!! It was probably their fault that you killed most of them off and it's probably their own fault that you took away their lands...........
Argentina, always the victim, even in such a vile genocide as this. The same ol' same ol!!! It's not our fault!!
7 TroLLey_to_Truth
May 23rd, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you acknowledge that Argentina has no legal claim to Islands, as you say ”since a precondition to signing the UN was that no RETROACTIVE enforcement was allowed.
Delaware, New Hampshire, Boston Mass, New York, new Jersy, Maryland, Conneticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania. Mostly Italian, French and Germans. Yeah sure!
May 23rd, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not a yank, but even I know that Italian immigrants arrived in numbers in the Us at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. The smart ones that is, we all know where the other ones ended up!
33Toady Teen Troll
May 23rd, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look at the reservations in Canada and the USA, they are about as good as a siberian gulag. Rampant poverty, drug abuse, alcoholism, and no opportunities. And these are countries “supposedly” wealthy.
Toady
I have been to those Reservations, many are poor, but hardly gulags.
You would have readers believe that they are imprisoned - they are free to come and go.
Reservations are on Native Land and Native Land is not restricted to Reserves of small townships - the Natives communally own large areas of land.
The Government continually funds the Tribes and Reserves, but they are Self-governing.
Many Reserves are very wealthy!
In Canada they receive monies, education, tax concessions, and their land claims are on the whole, legally negotiated and respected.
Is that true of Argentina's Natives? No.
How much land did your Natives have before you took it away?? Formosa? Patagonia?
Did they just give it to you? No.
Can they make a living and thrive on what they were left? No.
What are you doing about it? Nothing.
What have you agreed to do about it? Nothing.
What do you plan to do about it ? Nothing.
You, and the rest of Argentina have the opportunity right now, 2013, today, to act responsibly.
Will you? No.
What does that say about YOUR society, today??
”Who knows about Australia I think the aborigenes are still not full citizens with full rights (2013)”
May 23rd, 2013 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Australian Aborigines have always had the right to vote, even when they weren't counted in the census. The 1967 result remains the largest affirmative vote of all 44 constitutional referenda heldThey have been counted in it since the Constitution was amended after a 1967 referendum, in which 90.8 per cent of voters voted 'yes' .
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Previousproducts/1301.0Feature%20Article12004?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=1301.0&issue=2004&num=&view=
The 1967 result remains the largest affirmative vote of all 44 constitutional referenda held. So much for white Anglo racism!
The Maori in New Zealand are better off as they were strong enough to be able to force the British into signing a treaty, the Treaty of Waitangi.
#11 toby....youstupid immature little tit sucking mommas boi. Have you learned nothing about the USA in you vicarious cloistered life of traveling the world via the internet in your shit hole called mendoza? You actually forgot Arkansas and most homo sapiens would take lower tier states in the USA than the cesspools you call provinces in Argentina. BTW.....what province is that where you RGs are beating, raping and even killing off the indiginous people? Ah yes, Yankee hit it.....Formosa..........with Formosa being the armpit of Argentina......mendoza must be the anus as nothing but shit comes from there. Are you a little turd or a big turd tobi boi?
May 23rd, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you de-latch from milking you momma's mammaries, maybe then you would gain a miniscule of credibility in anything you say about anything outside of the shit hole capital of Argentina.....mendoza. You know nothing of Europe because you have never been.....you know nothing of the USA because you have never been......you even know nothing of most of your sacred Argentine people around the country because because you cannot get your momma's nipple out of your mouth. PLEASE.....I am waiting for another monotonous and laborious, insignificant post that almost always has nothing to do with the article.........immature, inexperienced and a latchmouth kid.
The 1967 referendum allowed Australian aborigines to be considered full citizens, the 1993 high court ruling ( the Mabo case ) overturned the concept of terra nullis i.e. the belief that the land was unoccupied. This enabled aborigines all over Australia to reclaim vast areas of the land for their own use, a process that is still ongoing and will likely continue for decades.
May 24th, 2013 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we have established that Nostril has no idea about which US states were part of the British Empire, no idea about Australia, and no idea about Argentine history....does he actually go to school, or have the bullies driven him away.
May 24th, 2013 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0His posts do give an interesting insight into Argie mentality though.
He honesty believes that Independence of Argentina from Spain, Canada from the UK or Brazil from Portugal is the same as India or Malaysia returning to the indigenous population. It clearly isn't.
Independence throughout the Americas is about a European implanted population , who used military might to seize land, who now outnumber the indigenous (in most cases), using the right to self-determination to self govern.
This is the exact right, for the the exact reasons Argentina DENY the Falkland Islanders.
Nostril in his bewildered and asinine way has highlighted the hypocrisy.
Of course in seizing their land, the islanders evicted 50 militia who'd been there 6 weeks, had raped and murdered, and had been attempting to usurp land where there was a known sovereignty dispute (which according to Argentina (but not Britian) meant they have no rights).
Argentina (when they were Spanish genocidal colonialists) seized their land from the Amerindians, massacring 100,000s of them. There is no moral high ground there versus the kelpers.
Indigenous community asks Argentine president to protect their ancestral land
May 24th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine President seems disdainful of the Indigenous Community.
#44 actually it's a standing joke in the USA that our indiginous people are getting payback by raping our wallets at the casinos they all own on their reservations.
May 24th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Foxwoods in Connecticut gives their tribes a $100,000 a year stipends, a house and free health insurance.
'Gibraltar given full Uefa membership at London Congress'
May 24th, 2013 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22657481
'Spanish Incursions: Ineffective and useless warnings'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22657481
'In the last decade, the Malvinas cause was central and Latin America added its support - The cause for the claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands regained force from the assumption of former President Nestor Kirchner, with a shift in the strategy of seduction Menem kelpers and ephemeral changes of the Alliance for a diplomatic offensive at all areas anchored today in a renovated historic Latin American support....'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22657481
'Cristina attend the Te Deum in the Basilica of Luján - The celebration will be interfaith, with the participation of representatives of all faiths who live in the country. A Lujan, Cristina take one of seven flags fluttered in the Falklands in 1966, operating under the Condor...'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22657481
'Correa took a new mandate and attacked the press - Ecuador is a paradise , he said in his speech. The target of his speech were the media. He also criticized the Commission and the OAS, and reaffirmed their friendship with Iran . The Malvinas are Argentine only are Latin American, said...'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22657481
In other words,
May 24th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are Argentina or nothing,
If they refuse to be a colony of Argentina, then they don’t exist.
Pathetic,
Once a dictatorship, always a dictatorship..
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I only browsed the comments briefly - i had to give up any thoughts of doing so in detail having been overcome with laughter when Tobias-the-troll started suggesting that the Indigenous South American tribes had been, and were being, protected by Argentines - who, let us be reminded, did not colonise this land, did not pillage it, did not steel it and are not an implanted foreign occupier of these lands.
May 24th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not only that, but he actually wants us to believe that all of the Latin-descended colonist are actually indigenous peoples of south america.
I had to leave at that point, or be at risk of dying of laughter.
I have a question for Think and Toby...
May 24th, 2013 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What happened to all of the Black people in Argentina?
'Blacks in Argentina: Disappearing Acts -
Scholars have long pondered the “disappearance” of people of African descent from Argentina, long considered South America’s “whitest” nation. A 1973 article in Ebony asked, “what happened to Argentina’s involuntary immigrants, those African slaves and their mulatto descendants who once outnumbered whites five to one, and who were for 250 years ‘an important element’ in the total population, which is now 97 percent white?...”
http://www.columbia.edu/~ha26/afro-latino/blacks_in_argentina.htm
Any suggestions?
the community leader Félix Díaz requested President Cristina Fernández support in a controversy over land property they have with the provincial authorities in Formosa.
May 24th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Best of luck with dealing with the implanted European colonists of Argentina
I feel very sorry for the Qom living in that vile place known as Argentina.
May 24th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their lands no longer exist and they will never get them back, not while there is a Peronist bastard alive in The Dark Country.
Very, very sad.
Hey Trolley...in Canada the native population are given millions of dollars to do with as they please...for some reason the people in charge squander the money on themselves....its called corruption...which is a natural trait of those who become leaders of their communities. Look at the leaders of Argentina...multimillionaires...and still stealing....Cristina F de K worth up to 18 million dollars...(US).
May 25th, 2013 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Colonialism still alive an well in Argentina.
May 25th, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0STFU up about 'British Colonialists in Las Malvinas'
@53
May 26th, 2013 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it's the natives faults they don't have running water in a country (Canada) with more fresh water than any other.
Read #37, I quoted Yankeeboy who said the same thing you did (it's the natives fault they live worse than in Africa in the USA/Canada), and they are applauded by the anglo argie-haters, when I said it (as a satirical device), everyone gets outraged.
Once again, you are all to DUMB for me superior reasoning. And once again you all have taken a free ride on the TRolley_to_Truth. Enjoy the ride everyone!
tobi....you need not bend over for everyone and allow them to ride you.....must you?
May 26th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really should research the state of North American indians you bumbling tit sucker. Where is you momma? Did you flee because you a nibbling her nips when you suckle them?
@55 Teen Troll Toby
May 26th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I quoted Yankeeboy who said the same thing you did (it's the natives fault they live worse than in Africa in the USA/Canada), and they are applauded by the anglo argie-haters, when I said it (as a satirical device), everyone gets outraged
As a satirical device” !!??
LOL, Toby!!!!
You clod, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Just like your Alaska comments - you showed what an idiot you were about that, too!!
”Argentina did not have alarge slave population. Argentina declared the American slave trade an act of piracy (1824). Argentina and Columbia signed a Treaty with Britain committing to the total abolition of the slave trade and forbidding it in its own dominions (1825). The Argentine Confederation and Uruguay signed treaty with Britain with the same provisions as the 1835 Treaty with Spain (1839). Charles Darwin aboard the HMS Beagle did not find slaves in rgentina. He was horified at the ongoing genocide directed at Native Americans. [Darwin]”
May 26th, 2013 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has the government stopped yet?
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