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Falklands: Irish lawmakers support UN Resolution 2065 and dismiss recent referendum
Irish lawmakers expressed support for the compliance of UN Resolution 2065 which acknowledges the Argentine/UK Falkland Islands dispute and dismissed any International law consequences from the recent referendum held in the Falkland Islands ratifying British sovereignty, according to Argentine legislators that were received at the parliament in Dublin. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBan Ki-Moon says that resolution 2065 made in 1965 is no longer relevant.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/un-confirms-that-Britain-is-not-in-breach-of-resolutions-over-the-falklands/
But if you want to take the argument further, the UK and Argentina have held talks under the sovereignty umbrella and made agreements in Madrid concerning fisheries, flights and hydrocarbons - all broken by Argentina.
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/un-confirms-that-Britain-is-not-in-breach-of-resolutions-over-the-falklands/
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
It is hard to understand how the Irish can talk of Non Binding Resolution 2065 when the Secretary General of the UN has stated that he does not believe that any member of the Security Council (eg the UK) is in violation of any RELEVANT UN Resolution. Now I know that is only the opinion of one man but I believe he is quite influential at the UN.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Further, I do not believe, I stand to be corrected, that any Resolution has been issued, relevant to the Argentina's claim, since 1988.
It will be interesting to see how this is reported for local Argentine consumption!
Ah there it is, an Argentine Minister declaring that yet another nation does not recognise the legality of self determination.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just wonder if any of these other nations are ever going to get round to speaking for themselves? Perhaps they think that an Argentine can do it more eloquently.
The Irish Republic supports resumption of talks, nothing new there, so does every other sensible nation, however, no inclusion of the Falkand Islanders = no talks and sovereignty is not negotiable, how many more times do they need to be told?
Resolution 2065 died when Argentina breached it with her 1982 invasion.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just tried to find this story in the Irish press, no luck. I did however come across an interesting one on the Irish Republic pardoning a 91 year old soldier for, get this, fighting against the Nazis!!
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fuck me, if they consider that a crime, frankly, I could not give a flying fuck about their opinion on the Falkland Islands.
Exactly, Resolution 2065 was invalidated by Argentina when they unilaterally invaded the peaceful Falkland Islands and refused to leave when ordered to do so by the United Nations Security Council.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 2065 was a non-binding resolution proposing discussions between Great Britain & Argentina. However, Security Council Resolution 502 was a mandatory resolution that Argentina refused to comply with.
The Falklands War was entirely Argentina's fault and they have still not compensated the Falkland Islanders, or Great Britain for the damage they caused or the loss of lives. 255 brave British servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders died to liberate the Islands.
They died to protect the democratic right of the Falkland Islanders to Self Determination, to decide their own future. The recent Referendum was organised by the Falkland Islanders, not the British Government and the Islanders expressed their overwhelming wish to remain British. Argentina must respect that decision, or they do not respect the Charter of the United Nations which holds that all people have the right of Self Determination.
...The Irish describe themselves as “a people accustomed to reaching solutions on independence issues through dialogue and diplomacy, and rejecting all forms of violence”
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0so if it's an independence issue... then whats it got to do with Argentina? shurly if the islanders ever want independence they only need to talk to the UK government.
No mention of this meeting on the Joint Committee's website, which is curious considering it was such an “historic” meeting. Let's see if they ever mention it...
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/oireachtasbusiness/committees_list/foreign-affairs-trade/news/
I notice they did hold a meeting on 13 th Feb with the Special Representative for Human Rights. Self Determination on the Agenda I wonder?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL!
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“In this way they agreed with the Argentine approach that the diplomacy and peace path is the only way of resolving the conflict...“
Please explain 1982.
”...while at the same time expressing concern regarding the growing English militarization in the Malvinas zone”
Please show me the evidence of the growing militarisation.
Yawn.
Which one of 30 or more Mercopress characters will the 3 or 4 Argie deadbeats who come on here use to try to make something out of this piece of “no news”?
Chuckle chuckle.
I'm guessing this was a conversation Filmus had with some nobody in the toilets.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 02065 is dead. Killed. Murdered by its only real friend. Stabbed in the back .... by Argentina in 1982
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-/
Can anyone find an actual quote by an Irish parliamentarian?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Press release?
Probably talking through the cubicle wall,
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Señor, I insist, you flush first.”
“grassy arse.”
“No, I used paper.”
If we read this, the release is what the Argentines say happened at the meeting, not what the Irish have said.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll wait for Enda Kenny to say these things before I actually believe it.
Too many times the Argentine 'delegates' come out with a load of tosh that supposedly support their arguments (just like when they say that the UN supports them?!?!), but there is NEVER anything from the other side in these meetings.
Just like their hand-picked sicophants in London last year REFUSED to actually add their own signatures to the Argentine produced document.
More hot air. And as we know, hot air rises and disperses to the four winds.
@1,2,3,4,5 Don't get bothered by this. Ever heard the phrase “dumb Paddy”? It's a phrase that exists for a reason. Take a look at 2065. It starts by referring to the conclusions and recommendations of the Special Committee of Worthless Incompetents. Scratch that. Then it refers to resolution 1514. A resolution that the UK neither signed nor ratified. AND, being a GA resolution, is non-binding. But all the UN did was to “invite” and “request”. Now, who thinks a bunch of Paddy TDs (Teachta Dála) is capable of understanding all that? When the EU demanded that they hold a second vote on the Lisbon Treaty, did they understand that they were being railroaded? Do they understand that 6 pints of Guinness with Bushmills chasers is not “lunch”?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For anyone who has ever done business with an Argentinian, what you say and what they hear are two very different things.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish language is full of multi-meaning words so contracts and speeches are very often (deliberately) misinterpreted.
Can we have our 7 billion back now please Mr Higgins. The next time you come crawling on your knees with your begging bowl, go to Argentina.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Irish knew full well what they were doing here and they know full well how Argentina will use it and twist it. They are stupid, but not that stupid!
I think from knowing a few of the TDs (parliamentarians ) present the may have supported talks but no way would they say the referendum was in valid. The delegation has now lost all credibility if it every had any, their is political spin and then their are out right lies. I feel sorry for the Argentina people who when offered any opportunity to address a national aspiration their leaders do everything possible to creat conflict it's an obvious case where a Government has a very different agenda to its people the only way the Falklands /Malvinas can be incorporated into Argentina is with the explicit consent of the Falkland Islanders and as for this gobshite (technical Irish expression usually used for anything that comes from a Politicians mouth who likes to hear their own voice but of no real political or moral value) of implanted people , really from a population mainly made up of immigrants
Jun 16th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you read the article it contains statements from the Argentinian side and no ATTRIBUTED statements from the Irish side.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I checked the Irish Times and could find NO reference to the visit in the current paper...todays...and no reference when I tried a search.
Likewise with the Irish Parliament's site, I checked ALL the press releases to date and there is no mention of any visit from Argentine delegates. A Google search only leads to the MercoPress site above.
It is obviously the most important piece of news in the country!
TWIMC
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet another nail in the English diplomatic coffin in the South-Atlantic.
”Go mbeannaí Dia dhuit Éire……
You've put an awful lot of nails in that coffin....and yet...
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sad time goes on and the only thing that changes is that Argentinians get poorer and the Falklanders get richer.
What I DONT understand are those who believe ANYTHING these Argies have to babble about on any subject,and get all upset by it...In doing so it seems some folks have made a decision that the Irish are some how in support of the insane Argie rantings.There is absolutely no proof whatever that the Irish “Support” Arjuntina in their rediculous claim,only the word of a lying,confused,corrupt,hysterical Arjuntinian fascist nut case.Sit back,“Chill” and have good laugh at the desperate rantings of yet another “off the wall” press release that means absolutely NOTHING...!!
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No I believe it's yet another obstacle to Argentina every attaining the aspiration of Malvinas being part of Argentina. Not that the current Government want that anyway it's to convenient a cause to rally a population with half truths and lies to deflect from what is happening right in front of them which may work for a time but a population is very unlikely to forgive when their eyes are finally opened....
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These statements of support are always reported by the Argentinians but are seldom if ever reported by the other side.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this allegation from Argentina were in any way to represent the truth then 1) the British press would have picked it up and 2) Britain's many friends in Eire or, indeed, in Ulster would have got wind of it and it would have been public knowledge in both islands of the British Isles. There is no confirmation that what is alleged to have been said is, in fact, true!
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Conclusion? Somebody is a lying bastard!
Mercopress, did you even research this story or just copy it off Daniel Filmus's website ?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same mr filmus that made the statement about the EU supporting rgenweener's claim sorry I can see a flaw in this cunning plan 1.hes a knob who hasn't a clue what he's talking about and 2. He's a knob who hasn't a clue what he's talking about..........bit like stinkoverdovervoice really
Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't find any reference to this in the media AT ALL even on RTE.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny this comes up on a Sunday yet the meeting was supposed to have taken place on Wednesday.
Until such times as I get to read an OFFICIAL press release (not likely now considering the meeting was 5 days ago) then the comments of the Argentine 'delegation' will be treated with the usual disdain reserved for Argentine comments.
Our local TD holds a 'surgery' every Thursday evening in the local pub I think I shall just pop along and have a word.
@21 Hang on. Aren't there already lots of argie coffins in the South Atlantic already nailed shut?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19/24 There are no Malvinas!
@26 You think?
Ooooooooooooooooooooooops…................
Jun 16th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MercoPress seems to have ”forgotten” to translate (and include) the following little paragraph from the original article…..:
”………….. the Irish legislators made it clear that ”they had experienced on their own flesh the implanting of a population and subsequent claims over territories based on the alleged right of self-determination of those implanted habitants. (Referring to Northern Ireland)“
(……… los legisladores de Irlanda plantearon que ellos vivieron en carne propia lo que es implantar una población para luego reclamar el derecho sobre esas tierras a partir de la supuesta auto determinación de los habitantes implantados, en referencia al caso de Irlanda del Norte”)
No need to thank me......
Always a pleasure to help.....
Chuckle chuckle©
Re 30 of course your are correct the Falklands are a free self governing people Malvinas is an Argentine cause in the physic of a people whose Government will never attain as it is to important as a distraction both at home and Internationally other wise they would have to address the bread and butter issues .
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re 31 “a liar can never be believed even when he speaks the truth” old Irish Catholic quote seems apt when referring to the reporting of support sorry I normally support the under dog but you are not addressing the real situation of the Falklands and seem in no way willing to do anything real to change the situation just blow hot air and try to intimidate unfortunately to be a convincing bully you have to carry a big stick or have some friends who will fight for you unfortunately you have neither...
'Important British parliamentary delegation to visit the country -
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ten lawmakers in November that country come to deepen political and economic ties with our country, as agreed with Senator Filmus and Deputy Carmona.
In an interview held by the Chairs of the Senate Foreign Relations, Daniel Filmus, and Deputies, Guillermo Carmona, the president of the British Parliament delegation to the Inter-Parliamentary Union, Robert Walter, it was agreed that an important delegation comprising five members of the House of Lords and five of the House of Commons, visit Argentina in November. trip The main purpose of the British delegation, which shall consist of members of different political forces represented Parliament, will deepen the political and economic ties with our country and will include visits to the provinces of Mendoza and Chubut, where Welsh MPs shared with members of that community in Argentina planning the celebrations of the 150th anniversary of the Welsh colonization, which met next year...'
http://www.parlamentario.com/noticia-54868.html
Not again - Trains crash in the face of the CFK administration - Events, the late Juan Perón used to say, can’t be controlled. The most a political leader can do is surf the uncontrollable wave of history to the best of his or her capacity. President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner can claim that her administration has done everything to stop another train crash like the one that killed 51 people on February 22, 2012. But the fact is that two trains, on the same Sarmiento line as before, crashed between stations in Greater Buenos Aires on Thursday. Not again. Yes, again....'
http://www.parlamentario.com/noticia-54868.html
Yeah with the trains the slogan was Nunca Mas!!
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now its' just
mas
Why can't these fools put breaks on the trains? I guess lives are cheaper.
Ho ho ho……..a bad day for the Brits, got trashed on the previous article and getting a gubbing on this one…..it can't be true…..it just can't…..??
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Et tu, Brute?”
Don't worry the Irish are not renowned for being clever…..
Mister Patrick McGinty, an Irishman of note,
Came into a fortune, so bought himself a goat.
Said he, “Sure, of goat's milk I mean to have my fill!”
But when he got his Nanny home, he found it was a Bill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpqLgfc8n8Q
Divide and Conquer……. ;-)
Maybe when Rgs can kekp the lights on in their main cities on a consistent basis the UK may have to worry.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but I don't' see that happening anytime in the near future.
Just yet another country that doesn't recognize that sham illegal vote.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This time its GB's next door neighbor.
Then there was the EU parliament.
And the UN.
And the 54 African countries.
And the US.
And all the Latin American countries.
(Russia, China, Middle east/Iran ... well I can guess ).
Basically nobody in the world recognizes the settlers as anything other than dug in campers.
Even British MP George Galloway (very smart man) in the houses of parliament, in Westminster in London sees through the nonsense.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGq1Win2rhU
(even GB tried to resolve the stupid situation and get rid of the islands in the 70's).
Irish lawmakers expressed support for the compliance of UN Resolution 2065
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjkX9AYMYQ
Toby are you angry because there is no gas to heat the house or cook meals or because the K economic model was a farce and just a way for them to loot your country?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 039 yankeeboy Fred
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better than your daily mass killings Mr. Redneck.
I haven't done the calculations but I bet you have more people die on poorly maintained trains than we have in shootings.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....and we have heat and toilet paper...oooh aaaah
Yes you have toilet paper...but you don't know how to use it redneck
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very strange i can't find this news story anywhere! is this what we call Argentinian propaganda? lol
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Think you are adorable! Have you been to an Rg hospital recently? How's the flu going there?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear they're out of vaccine, gloves and syringes.
Maybe you can borrow some from Venezuela.
Oh nope they don't have any either
I wonder when Chile will close the boarder?
@31 Think
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There were no Irish legislators during the plantation, it was previously a fairly feudal system. The British introduced parliamentary democracy to Ireland, albeit a very unfair one in the first instance. During the ice-age no-one lived in Ireland as it was under a 100m thick sheet of ice. They walked over from Britain in various waves and “their” genes have been mixing with “ours” ever since. Ireland and Britain are both genetically and geographically very close - Galloway & Kintyre in Scotland is easily visible from County Down most days. Thus, that we should have mixed over the centuries is no surprise given that is was easier to move by sea then than by land, which in Ireland was marshy and cross-crossed with rivers . If you are interested you should look up about the Kingdom of Dalriada.
Only Sinn Fein or someone on the hard-left would use rather anachronistic rhetoric like that. My guess is that the Argentines didn't meet anyone at all from the government and thus this is another non-victory, non-nail in our coffin. If Enda Kenny said this and thinks this then fair enough but I have not yet heard these words attributed to anyone in a position of executive authority in the Republic.
@42 says a man who doesn't even live in rgenweener I THINK he's a TROLL I shit you not
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! but I beg to differ........the Irish are predominately Q-Celtic along with the Scotti, the Welsh and Cornish are P-Celtic and the English are predominately Anglo Saxon.
Is the group of idiot malvinista trolls aware of the wonder reception given to Queen Elizabeth II, The Monarch of the United Kingdom, of Canada, of Australia, of New Zealand, of Jamaica, of the Bahamas and many other territories of the Commonwealth when she visited the Republic of Ireland last year?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe Filmus and his cronies should have consulted with the ordinary men and women of the republic before making these outrageously false claims.
48. Argentinians are incapable of distinguishing reality from their delusions.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why their in the mess they're in.
47, Toby, Have they started passing out the soy oil that the EU banned yet? Is that how you're going to heat your food and house this winter?
WOW! No amount of Poitín is worth the wasted time spent listening to Daniel Filmus dribbling on and on and on about his pet subject the fantasy islands Malvinas as they make an appearance once again this time in Ireland.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile in the real world of the south Atlantic life in the Falkland Islands is sweet, fresh and free.
@49
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of passing.......how did it go with the high school diploma?
@44..........“I wonder when Chile will close the boarder?”
I genuinely wonder what this situation will look like in 20, 40, 60 years.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. I didn't say they were English. I said the British and Irish are very closely related which you accept. So why do you beg to differ?? You do realise the Scots, Welsh, N.Irish and Cornish are also British?
@53
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I beg to differ because you implied that the people of Britain and Ireland are the same......they are completely different races, the Celts came from Gaul the Vast majority of the UK are Anglo Saxon, the Celts are almost an Ethnic minority!.....the Wee folk!......a ratio of about 8 to 1
That coffin is so big, so long in the making and so well made its turned into a mighty fortress.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't matter a monkeys what your genetic inheritance is.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All that passes down is hair, eye colour and resistance to certain diseases. In the British Isles, including Ireland, we are all mongrels with genetic material from Europe and even Asia.
Racial purity went out with the Nazis.
51. Oh you are so cute! Back to one of the what 4th or is it 5th personas?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me guess do you just happen to be another RG of Nordic descent living in EU too?
Does a 1/2 a generation even count as being from somewhere?
“That coffin is so big, so long in the making and so well made its turned into a mighty fortress”.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol ...sounds like a chuck norris line.
worthy of a 'B' movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32iCWzpDpKs
(51) A_Voice
Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So....... You did too notice Yankeeboy's (aka Fred Bates, shoesalesman from NY currently making a living as a realtor in DC, our resident Argie hater, suffering of PTSD after losing (among other things) his golden Rolex in a seedy episode in the Recoleta area of Buenos Aires during the 00's) fawlty English.....:
”I wonder when Chile will close the boarder?”
I say...:
When the Yanks give the oarder?
;-)
@56
Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why is it the people in Scotland on average are smaller than the people in England……..perhaps it can be explained by the penchant north of the border for delicacies such as deep-fried Mars Bars. ;-)
Or is it the Pict/Celtic mix?
There are Viking elements in Scotland......Lords of the Isles but not enough to dominate the Celtic/Pict strain.
@35
Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gubbing ? WTF is that?
Think you mean drubbing.
You got the nice little ditty right though.
@61
Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ask Clyde15 what it is to be Gubbed!
You are Welsh so it's a little different!
@59 Think
Yes I was getting quite “board” and would have let it go, till I noticed he directed a remark to me, calling me Toby……then he became fair game……not his most towering fawlt…..I know!
It really must amaze you that most folk on here cannot see the wood for the trees……my lord,... haw haw haw! .....sorry.... ha ha ha!..;-)
@ Think Voice Dover
Jun 16th, 2013 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your notions of racial and genetic purity are as unpleasant as they are irrelevant in Britain and Ireland. The idea that the Irish are a different ethnicity to the British is as stupid as anything I have ever heard you spout here. The Irish and British are, as stated above, a mongrel mix of all sorts of European genes. Just because you hate the English you resort to Anglo-Saxon bad, Celt good mythology. Your 8:1 is based on the proportion of people in England relative to the rest of the UK but all 4 constituent parts of the UK are heavily genetically mixed now, as is the independent Republic of Ireland. I had hoped your backward ideas died with that German bloke we aren't supposed to mention on the Internet but clearly they are alive and well in at least one “Argentine” poster. I am British, but not one of my great-grandparents are demonstrably Anglo-Saxon, but my children do have it in them and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm.
@63
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see where you are coming from.......you are not English, but you are British (something wrong with that?).....you have some sort of chip on your shoulder.......there is nothing racist in my comment, they merely point out the difference dominant! strains in Britain. I'm not saying they are superior.......just different. The Celts are smaller than the Anglo Saxons.....lot's of great inventors are Scottish.....that's obvious.
I don't see your point......you see things that are not there!
Bit of a pettern emerging here?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a meeting with a handful of maverick MPs (the George Galloway sort) and next thing you know, the “government” has come out in support - no vote or announcement.
As has been said before 2065 is dead (confirmed by BKM) and Ireland is obligated under the Treaty of Lisbon to recognise UK sovereignty over the Falklands.
We would all like “talks” to settle this but they will be trilateral (UK, Arg, FIG) or nothing. Nothing seems to be the only game in town at the moment.
Oh your posting for Clyde only, “gubbed” Scottish slang is it, well dew mun! Fancy that! Explains why a Welshman thought you got it wrong.Perhaps he will explain its meaning.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If we are really lucky, he can also explain how those fried mars bar eating, smaller men from the north, were able to kick the asses of those much bigger beef eating Argentines atop of Tumbledown Mountain. Sticking with the Latin Language theme, they should have learned from the Romans and not messed with the Picts. Any sensible Argentine officer would have built a 30 metre high barrier around their positions and called it Galtieries Wall. That would have done the trick!
37 Vestige and 38 Marcos Alejandro
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN Resolution 2065 died with Argentine repudiation of it in 1982.
Doesn't matter how much viveza criolla you try to use, it just ends up as ineffective pot-banging. As it doesn't change the legal picture which is firmly in the UK's court thus:
'Former president of the ICJ, Dame Rosalyn Higgins, wrote: ”Attractive an aphorism though [self-determination] is, it still has to be said that the territorial issue does come first. Until it is determined where territorial sovereignty lies, it is impossible to see if the inhabitants have a right to self- determination”' (Dame Rosalyn Higgins, Problems and Process - International Law and How We Use It, Clarendon Press, Oxford, 1994)
'The British jurist Rosalyn Higgins arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: ”No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways through Argentinas acquiescence.80“ There was therefore little doubt that Britain acquired title to the Falklands by extinctive prescription. In other words, it was in this mode that the strength of the British claims resided.'
80. Rosalyn Higgins, ”Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
The Falkland War : Britain versus the past...Daniel K, Gibran.
#60
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was called the industrial revolution, living conditions and diet.
In the early 1800's army recruitment noted that the average height of a recruit from Sutherland was 5'10“ which was 5 inches taller than his English counterpart who were mainly recruited from cities or jails.. This could be explained by living in fresh air, exercise and whatever genes they inherited. By the time the populations of Britain were moved off the land into cities to fuel the industrial revolution, poor living conditions and semi starvation sent the population into physical decline. The average height dropped to about 5'4”
Again, this was the same in the English and Welsh populations who also lived and worked in cities.
You could also say, if it is true, that life in England is physically easier than in Scotland. which could account for any difference.
My father,born in 1906 was 5'4“, I am 5'11”, my son is 6'2“
My cousins are between 6'2” and 6'6“.
Only since the welfare state came in has the height and health of the population improved.
As to deep fried mars bars I have never seen one and have no idea where you could get one.
The Romans reported that the Picts were large limbed, red haired and much taller than them and the Celts were head and shoulders above them.
As I said, there has been so much movement around the UK that there is now no ”pure”Anglo, Celt or Norse left.
An example of population height increase is the Dutch. They are the tallest people in Europe. This is an example of Darwinism. As they all live below sea level and with rising sea levels it is obvious that their nostrils must be as high as possible to enable them to breathe when the sea floods their country.
So we must expect a generational height increase to enable the Dutch to survive.
@66
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/gubbed
Is it my fault you do not understand Scottish Vernacular, it's British, is it not?
How parochial are the Welsh?
Not sure where you get your history from, but the Romans defeated the Picts at the battle of Mons Graupius .....ad 83 or 84, the wall was built later to keep them out.
Being Welsh I suppose you are familiar with Offa's Dyke......same idea!
Filmus moving on to London next I believe, for talks with some Parliamentary Committee.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we expect an announcement that from him that, “UK lawmakers support UN Resolution 2065 and dismiss recent referendum result.”
If so that would deffinately confirm the earlier hypothesis that someone is a lying b, stard.
“ according to Argentine legislators that were received at the parliament in Dublin”
Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So that would mean it is a nothing story then...
@68
Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have my doubts about you…..try here……for your Deep Fried Mars Bar…..University Café, 87 Byres Road,
That's in the fashionable West End......not that you would know!
ha ha …….the Dutch have evolved to keep their nose above water…….did you really just say that :-))))))))))))
Are you for real???
Sutherland…….along with Orkney, Shetland are Danish……Viking……Big……are we there yet???
Every Scotsman knows that…….apart from you!
Nice to see the changing subjected, are alive and well,
Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The point is its up to the people of the Falkland’s to make the decision,
And if they freely wish to remain British,
Then that is the end of it,
And it matters not what other countries think about it,
Is this not true.
.
Soooo.... back to the story at hand. Has everyone agreed (apart from “”multi-think”) this story is BS and no Irish paper or government website is running it?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True, someone post a link, surely a visit from a member of the Argentine Foreign Affairs Committee, merits some copy in the Irish Press or on their media, damned if I can find any. I mean, this is an important international event.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Link anyone?
Still no corroborating evidence?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems A_Voice is in overdrive to talk about anything else other than provide a link.
Argentina's government says.... blah blah blah. And yet no one else says the same thing. C'mon A_Voice provide a link or are you just going to talk out your arse as per usual?
Do socks have arses?
Think-Marcos - please show usin print where the Irish stated what the Argies claim they did? Please show it - and how many Irish Elected members were there?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can wait!!!!
The problem is that Argentina is so unimportant that no body wants to pitch a story to there boss about Argentina visiting due to there editor most probably kicking there arse for even mentioning it.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly nobody really cares. They might be lying or telling the truth but the sad fact is no-one could give a toss.
Questions.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where are the UK political journalists?
Why are they not all over this story like a rash?
Why is such an emotive subject being ignored?
Then again, it's BS. There is no story.
#66
Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not sure if gubbed is a Scottish or Glasgow expression.
When I was young it meant a belt in the mouth but it may now mean a “doing”. I doubt if it still is in general use. These terms last only for so long.
#72
I have absolutely no interest in any doubts you have about me. You can believe what you want as you have proved so often on this forum. Yes, I do know the University Cafe and the last time I was in it was probably late 1969 when I bought my daughter a pokey hat. As to deep fried mars bars it has never appeared on my diet or that of my families so I would have no interest in knowing where to get one..
When I was in my late teens, I would occasionally go to the Ruby with some of my school friends who had then gone on to Glasgow Uni. Cafes were for kids. When I was a youngster,
my local cinemas were the Odeon, Scotstoun, the Tivoli and the Rosevale. I would get either the 9 or 26 tram to either of these.
My parents house in Medwyn Street was demolished in about 1965 to make way for the Clyde tunnel. By this time I was married and moved to Bearsden. My wife would still do some of her shopping at Byres Road with my mother who lived in a multi storey flat at Broomhill.
Later on when we moved to Ayr, we would still occasionally shop in Byres Road. I remember there was a good record shop just up from the junction of Dumbarton road. We used to have our lunch in the underground now sadly closed.
As to my remarks about the Dutch, when I told this joke to some Dutch lads at the Fairford RIATA they though it was highly amusing. You don't know when someone is taking the piss !! This makes me seriously doubt any Scottish connection you are trying to project. By the way, I was also Glasgow School's champion in a field event in 1960 and have the medal to prove it. About Sutherland, I will refer them to my daughter who is a Senior Inspector with Historic Scotland with responsibility for mesolithic to iron age periods.
I would believe her opinion
@6
Jun 16th, 2013 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that the FALKLANDERS voted to retain their status as an Overseas Territory of the UK not as suggested ( BRITISH ) as they are of several nationalities. BOT ( British Oeverseas Territory )
48 Gordo
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear chanchi
Yes we are aware how mad the Irish were when the old lady refused a pint of Guinness.
@81
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do believe you are correct. Can anyone of the posters on here quote what the actual question asked was?
81 - yes and they took that vote on disputed territory
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0which is why almost nobody recognized it.
@80
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times do I have to prove that you are not resident in Scotland......all your knowledge is fabricated or from relatives........and so out of date!!
You say.......
“I am not sure if gubbed is a Scottish or Glasgow expression.
When I was young it meant a belt in the mouth but it may now mean a “doing”. I doubt if it still is in general use. These terms last only for so long.”
Follow the link and read it.........The Great Pretender.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-15281398
Then read this about the Vikings settling in Sutherland......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-15281398
Please tell me you know the periods of mesolithic to iron age and tell me what this has to do with Vikings???
There is only one of us taking the piss here.....don't you agree?
BTW the Mackerel are in.......be a good idea to get some fishing done off Blairmore pier as you will get very little off Strone......might visit myself.......watch though, the midges are also about!
#81 The Falkland Islanders have no dispute, its just Argieland that is disputing, and they won't go to the ICJ, wonder why? Marcos knows, load of Nancys.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A pity that rgland cannot follow the path of peace and just leave well alone. That is what peace is about. Jealousy, envy, greed and theft seems to be a large part of rg consciousness and character. Thick as two planks. No sane person wants war or confrontation, yet rg's seem hell bent on it.
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The attitude of Eire is not surprising. One only has to look back to the Second World War, when Britain & it's Commonwealth were standing alone against Naziism & Fascism. At the height of the Battle of the Atlantic, when U-Boats were playing merry hell with convoys, Eire denied use of its facilities to aid the cause of freedom, justice and civilisation. And of course Eire was a hotbed of nazi activity. The world teetered on the edge of the precipice, & Eire didn't give a damn.
Nothing surprises here.
@77
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Curiously enough, Pat Breen TD, chair of this momentous meeting, has no mention of it on his web site, although he does cover other matters of import from last week, such as the news that Ballynacally National School is to benefit under Phase II of the Prefab Replacement Scheme, as well as the recent visit of students and teachers of Lissycasey National School to Leinster House.
http://www.patbreen.ie/
Meanwhile, one the site of President Higgins, the visit has not as yet displaced news of two swallows building a nest in a shed behind Áras an Uachtaráin.
http://www.patbreen.ie/
Perhaps it will turn out that the swallows also support Argentina's claim to the Falklands?
@87
Jun 16th, 2013 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that Eire did allow overflights by RAF Coastal Command to have easier access to the convoy routes, so they were not 'all bad' just did not want to be seen as 'obviously supporting.
85 A Think VoiceOver
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0two links, but still no links for the Eire meeting.
66Reality Check
“If we are really lucky, he can also explain how those fried mars bar eating, smaller men from the north, were able to kick the asses of those much bigger beef eating Argentines atop of Tumbledown Mountain.”
RC,
Didn't the Mars Bars Eaters of the North and their English teammates knock the crap out of the Beef-eating Argies at Rugger this week?
:-)
@8 J.A. Roberts
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should you read the article carefully you will see that it states that the RG's met “with support staff from the Foreign Affairs ministry”, hardly the “lawmakers” noted in the title.
@90
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you saying Scotland were playing Rugby against RGs........I thought it was England, if so you are as thick as two short planks!
Definitely a Wannabe.......like the song........get it?.......Thought not.
@91
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, on a re-read I am in error, please ignore #91.
My apologies.
Hey wait did any of Think's or Toby's personas answer me? Is Crissy giving out the soy oil the Eu banned or is she going to let people freeze?
Jun 16th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87 Captain Fantastic: There are plenty of Irish that support the rights of the population of the Falklands over some plastic Spanish hundreds of miles away.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are not an Argentine puppet, let's not insult the whole nation ,eh?
Seems like US Treasury doesn't like CFK allowing drug lords ( herself) to clean their money in Argentina.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think there is trouble a brewin'
I wonder if she'll like our prisons?
I think Noriega did
for awhile
92 Think
Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You miss the point as usual - all the same gene pool after a thousand years
Oh, and thanks for singing to me Think, so much attention...
@88
Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not a single Irish politician was quoted in the article - Filmus putting words in their mouths.
95 screenname (#)
Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Point taken. Cheers.
Marcos and Think - I am still wainting for either of you produce proof that a meeting took place with elected irish parliamentarians and also the published script from the meeting confirmed by both sides, and how many Irish Parliamentarians there were there - and how many of them
Jun 17th, 2013 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0agreed to the words Arg claims they did.
Give you until middday Monday - otherwise even you will have to accept that this was just a false story.
@67
Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Romans defeated the Picts, tell that to the IX, aptly named Legio HISPANA!
Who disappeared from the face of the earth, shortly before they built the wall and retreated back behind it.
@ 90
There were Northerners in the, probable one or two of Scots pedigree and parentage in the team. On a happier note, Wales also defeated them in the Under 20's World Cup and before he mentions Japan, let us take a moment to reflect on how many of the Welsh team are currently representing our country in the British lions, oh! and Irish Squad! Good has individual nations, infinitely better united, as the name says.
“The Irish describe themselves as “a people accustomed to reaching solutions on independence issues through dialogue and diplomacy, and rejecting all forms of violence” said Senator Filmus.”
Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder what Michael Collins would have said to that! LOL.
I'm still looking for an actual Irish official to have said these things that Argentina have stated that they have said.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not reported anywhere.
More hot air from Argentina.
Ireland did notihng of the kind- although it won't say so because it would involve itself in still more in clumsy the CFK propaganda scenerios . So much blogging (and I have joined it- but must for self -respect now leave it!) Suffuce to say, Ireland probably wants Trade, not Trouble.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Latest FI related news...
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0'USHUAIA - The Governor Fabiana Rios will be next Thursday in the Big Apple, taking part in the Committee's decolonization of the of the United Nations (UN) -
The Governor will be on Thursday, June 20, in New York to participate in the Committee's decolonization of the of the United Nations (UN) to make a claim for the sovereignty of the Falklands.
“During the meeting of the Committee, will be presented once again a firm claim to make the United Kingdom feels to negotiate a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute, shortly after 180 years of illegal occupation of our territories”, officially reported from the Interior.
In addition to the Governor, will travel to legislators, the businessman Jorge Lechman, Damián Löffler and the legislator of the Peronist party, Eduardo Barrientos. Will also make it the Mayor of Tolhuin Claudio Queno, the Secretary of international relations of the province of Carolina Lavori, the Ex combatants of Falkland in Ushuaia, Carlos Latorre, President of the Centre and the Vice-President of the Centre of war veterans “Malvinas Argentinas” of Rio Grande, Sergio Daniel Siboldi.
In 2010, the holder of the Decolonization Committee of United Nations, Donatus Keith Saint Aimee, had asked “patience and cooperation,” the Argentina during his visit to Ushuaia. He said that the claim could be treated within 200 years...'
http://www.ushuaia24.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=11485&ID_Seccion=302&Titular=La%20Gobernadora%20viaja%20a%20New%20York%20para%20participar%20en%20la%20ONU.html
'Claim Falklands: rivers will participate in the meeting of the Decolonization Committee of the United Nations'
http://www.ushuaia24.com.ar/despachos.asp?cod_des=11485&ID_Seccion=302&Titular=La%20Gobernadora%20viaja%20a%20New%20York%20para%20participar%20en%20la%20ONU.html
#87
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK govt. had a secret treaty with the Irish govt. which allowed the Coastal Command aircraft to fly from Castle Archdale on Lough Erne over Donegal Bay direct into the Atlantic.
Also many Irish citizens joined the British forces during WW2 and fought with distinction just as their forefathers had done for generations previously
#85
How about you. All we get is I don't believe etc. Why should we believe a word you say. You have not given one iota of proof that you are Scots. Where do you live, what school did you go to, which foot do you kick with etc. All the info. you have given can either be found on line or from someone Scottish that you know. You are just a chanty rassler Seems like an impasse. B K was similarly evasive.
It may be news to you but there was a population in the area now known as Sutherland before the Vikings moved in This population was not totally wiped out.
Please explain to me why I should get into my car, drive up the coast to the Western ferry terminal, pay an exhorbitant fare to get across to Hunters Quay, and drive round to Blairmore to do a bit of fishing when I could do the same from Ayr pier in a 5 minute drive. As a matter of fact, I get my ferry tickets in the little newsagent's shop in the terrace at Sandbank at about half the price charged on the ferry. Current price £16.80 car and £4.80 for a passenger. I can also recommend the coffee shop in the marina...costs about £1.50 for a coffee.
When I was in Blairmore on 19 May last we went to get a coffee in Gallimaufry only to find it was not open. We have been going to this gallery for years before the current owners took over years ago.
If your definition of an expat is someone who has spent 6 weeks in NZ, 5 weeks in South Africa, umpteen holidays in the Eastern Med. then that's me.
I have been a member of the Scottish Ornithologists club since 1965 and attended meetings regularly, I was Treasurer of the local branch of the SRGC. So, wee man, what about you !!
103# LEP
Jun 17th, 2013 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the subject of hot air.................
If you can't find something it doesn't exist?
Is that right.
Is that what you think.
Is that why you are so stupid.
Try looking harder,there is a needle in a haystack.
Is a haystack 100% hay?
Will somebody please explain why Argentina takes the sovereignty claim to the Decolonialisation Committee? What does one thing have to do with the other?
Jun 17th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 Yuleno
Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are talking about WMDs in Iraq you might be right judging by the reported use of chemical weapons by rebels in Syria and also this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9LisA-Lru4
If your talking about the Filmus claims that Irish politicians said this or that, you could just provide a link to Irish quotes instead of 7 lines that make YOU look stupid (and, by the way, desperate).
Something from the RoI government or an Irish news site would be nice if you are really so clever.
@84
Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“took that vote on disputed territory”
When the disputing is based on a distortion of geographical fact, borders in 1833, a false claim to inheritance, false representation of history , the disputing itself is false.
The people that were born on that territory have no dispute.
If you have a problem, go to the ICJ.
@108 Gordo1
Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe in an ideal Argentine world, they expect the UN to authorise the removal of the inhabitants of the Falklands so Latins can move in?
And 'Argentineans' think the UK is living in the 18th century...
How many times in Mercopress have we read an article entitled something like:
Jun 17th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands: ”Insert name of country here“ support UN Resolution 2065 and dismiss recent referendum.”
When you look at the first paragraph of said article you find that “Insert name of country here” has been recently visited by a delegation of Argentine lawmakers.
Slow news week Mercopress?
112 Fedaykin
Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed, it is less of a news item these days, but good to take notice of how often they try this, who their 'friends' are, and what the final outcome is.
It certainly puts things into perspective.
@61 reality check
Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See the trouble you caused by making me account for using British Vernacular! ...en passant as it were!
@106
I noticed you completely ignored your gaffe over the Scottish word Gubbed! So unfamiliar with the lingo!……for a Scotsman!
Let me remind you…….
http://www.avocadosweet.com/houston-were-gubbed-scotifying-movie-lines-with-the-nls/
http://www.avocadosweet.com/houston-were-gubbed-scotifying-movie-lines-with-the-nls/
http://www.avocadosweet.com/houston-were-gubbed-scotifying-movie-lines-with-the-nls/
http://www.avocadosweet.com/houston-were-gubbed-scotifying-movie-lines-with-the-nls/
I don't meant rub it in…….actually I do!
So what do you think about the current owner of Gallimaufry (Blairmore Gallery), bit weird isn't he……ha ha definitely not Scottish if you know what I mean…….. :-)…….he's taller than you though!
PS I'm the same height as your son, so I guess you are the wee man!
@107 - Yuleno
Jun 17th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So no word from the Irish government on what ACTUALLY occured.
I mean surely if the Irish supported Argentina as Filmus declares, then they would stand up and say it to the world's media.
No what ACTUALLY happened is that Ireland said it supported a peaceful resolution to the dispute. That does not mean that they support Argentina or it's erroneous claims, it just means that they don't think going to war over it would be helpful, to either side.
So in other words, we have the Argentine delegation once again distorting facts to try and fit in with their distorted version of events. And all of it is meant for Argentine consumption only, knowing that most Argentine people can't be bothered looking at the actual facts on English language web-sites.
So in short you have nothing.
114
Jun 17th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now then you little Tinka, if I said you were a “fud” would you :-
1) agree fully.
2) agree partly.
3) not agree at all.
Comment removed by the editor.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116 Be Serious
Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It appears you are getting on Mr Think's and his sock puppets nerves. Well done. :)
@118
Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Au contraire, I was merely suggesting the opposite of the word.......it's not a word I use, but am aware of!
President Higgins has updated his news feed. More important items, the President's Constitutional role, celebration of Bloomsday, some conference, State Visit to the Republic of Croatia.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Inexplicably, still no mention of the Malvinista love-in with Senator Filmus. Perhaps OK magazine has got first dibs on that?
Maybe he is upset the electricity keeps going out due to the cold weather.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Getting a bit sick of the simple fact Argentina government obviously have no respect for Irish Dáil Éireann I will be contacting my TD to ask the new Ambasador to explain why Her country is misrepresting mine. Self determination is a fundamental right and one my Country was happy to sign up to. This nonsense has to be challenged before these politicians encouraged more young people to give up their lives in a lost cause needles to say it will not be their kids they will be to busy spending other people's money. Before you say this is a peacefully aspiration your recent defence minister said quite clearly he would invaded if the the defence forces on the Falklands were reduced....as reported here.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos and Think - well long past the deadline AND DEADSILENCE! Now there is a surprise i don,t think!!
Jun 17th, 2013 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think you had better pull that nail out as it is pretty clear that your member Filmus has told a whopping big Argie lie( now there is another surprise!) and the Irish Parliamentarians in truth and reality never agreed to that statement at all!
Instead the usual Argie spin was applied to a probable innocent statement suggesting it would be a good idea if all sat down and talked about it!
The Islands have been ready to sit down and talk with the Argentine Govt about affairs of mutual interest and benefit - with UK present if Arg wish as a head of the table “chair”
This offer was made over a year ago and repeated in public at the C24 meeting at the UN 12 months ago to your President in person verbally - and later when we found someone to accept the letter - in writing.
What is the problem?
106 Clyde15
Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One could take a picture next to the sign with today’s paper,
And then he could upload it somewhere,
Just a thought,
A silly thought
But a thought just the same..
.
Excellent work by Mr Guillermo Carmona and Daniel Filmus with President of Ireland, Michael Higgins.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A more evidence that the Government and people of Ireland are against racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English.
Yet at the same time support CFK in her quest of Empire,
Jun 17th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Racism against the innocent Falklanders,
Pro, colonialism he there support
And pro imperialism by forcing free peoples
to be ruled by a dictator they neither want , voted for ,
or need,
The latest from the RG realm of fantasy...
Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Renewed claims to Britain ~...while Britain conducts military exercises and purpose of exploring for hydrocarbon deposits exploitation Falkland Island waters, ie Argentine maritime space, announcing to all and sundry will not hesitate to use military force to patrol and enforce their “rights”, our country puts shoulder that “never arrive military action to defend the sovereignty of the Malvinas ”- so great provocation should respond to a more assertive diplomacy against a country that became power resorting to piracy and colonial plunder-occupying by force territories across in the world, which is deaf to the claims to discuss on a future negotiating table of the archipelago, who makes no decisions and appeals that are made in this direction since various international forums, and even less in the statements of the Latin American presidents-including the United States, to reach once and for all to a peaceful settlement. usurpation shape and frequent oldest colonial history has known, has been the usurpation of sovereignty that England underwent in all regions.This is the time in our country, taking into account the apparent support of the Latin American presidents who recognize the right Argentine claim over the Malvinas and Britain to sit at the negotiating table, order a new inter-American treaty mutual support to any military aggression extracontinental; something like was the Inter-American Treaty of Reciprocal Assistance, but this time it becomes effective in these cases of British armed raid in Argentine and Latin American territory.'
http://www.nuevodiarioweb.com.ar/notas/2013/6/17/renovados-reclamos-gran-bretana-459491.asp
Jesus Christ! Is that Mate stuff they drink an opiate?
Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even allowing for the translation, this reads like it was drafted in one of their premier nut houses, by the Grand Poobah of loonies! Or maybe the Monty P team have come out of retirement and written it for them. Certainly reads like a script from one of their sketches.
#114
Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean the slightly coloured lad who was beaten up last year by some neds and had a broken arm - done by you by any chance ? As to your comment about gubbed, I probably don't live as near to the gutter as you and mostly only use temperate language .
Derived from ‘gub’, the Scots word for mouth, ‘gubbing’ someone originally meant halting whatever was coming out of their mouth by force.”
Did you read what I wrote at #80 ? It seems to coincide with this definition.
Wee man is not necessarily a description of height it can be used also to mean a nyaff - an apt description for you.
If I am not Scottish and have not lived and worked here for 71 years, where am I located. I am getting a bit confused.
Why am I paying £190 a month for rates to S Ayrshire council,
Direct Debits to Npower and Talktalk.. Why have I arranged to have the window in my shed replaced by RMC of Green St.Ayr
Why am I taking my car to Autotec in Green St. for a service.
Oh, I forgot, I don't need to as you have proved that I am neither Scottish or live in Scotland. Silly me !!
It must be that the Lizard people have abducted me and put me in the holodeck mimicking life in Scotland as I perceived it to be
Thank you for showing me the light of my delusions and bestowing your all knowing wisdom and perspicacity to a poor mortal such as I.
Your detective (defective) abilities exceed that of the now defunct original Taggart. What has your puppet master asked of you now ?
You still have not answered anything about your ethnic origins. Everything you have written can either be found on the web or passed on to you by someone else.
To conclude, away and bile your heid !
Read steve -33-uk' post again and admit it is difficult to understand.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I rightin in reading it as, either Britian comes to the table, or they should form a military alliance with the rest of South America, to confront British Forces in and around the Islands, “British armed raids in Argentine and Latin American territory.”
Is that what it's calling for?
They appear to be the rantings of a deranged psychopath, one thing at least that Argentina isn't short of.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read it for the third time. Now I think it's calling for a defence pact incase the British try to invade Argentina or any other Latam country. Duh!!!
Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christ, it's too fucking crazy for words. Do some of these people actually believe this shit!
Never mind flu vaccines, they need anti psychotic medication, lots of it.
@125
Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A more evidence that the Government and people of Ireland are against racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English.”
No racism by the UK toward the Falkland Islanders, unlike the Argentine fascist objective of ethnic cleansing.
Colonialism-er no-the Argentines want to colonise the Falklands-the UK support the people who were born there to chose what they want to do, typical Argentine 19th century thinking.
Imperialist Argentina-want their empire to include the Falkland Islands(no realistic factual claim, other than emotional, fact bereft, bile), South Georgia (Argentina have never populated S, Georgia except for a month in 1982-)and the Argentines want Antarctica in their empire, unaware it is a separate continent from South America and that claims were suspended in 1959.
@127
Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this saying that Latin American countries should have a treaty in effect to prevent armed raids by the British on Argentina?
@129
Yeah that's right old man…..I just happen to know details about the people that live in a remote village in the Highlands of Scotland…….none of which can be found on the web and happens to be right next to the village where you were born…….I must be a great RG detective surely?
Or……..this might be a little abstract for you…….you are my puppet!……only the two of us know these details!
His names Stephen by the way and he's English…..nice lad but a bit weird sometimes and he stays on the new scheme above the old Ferryman's cottage, Sandbank…..ask him.
BTW if gubbed is good enough to be used by MP's it's good enough for me……but to gutterish for you…..the Laird o' Ayr. ha ha!
The rest of your drivel was just hot ayr…..pun intended.
Man, oh man, it's the Biscuit!
Jun 17th, 2013 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@134 A Voice of Thinks
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know Think, your sock puppet is as stupid as you.
Perhaps you should log on with another sock puppet so you can back yourself up, but don't forget to switch user names or you'll end up looking foolish again.
No why don't you show that link where the Irish Lawmakers actually SAY that they support Argentina over this?
Can't produce it? Must be a lie then.
@127 Steve
Whoever wrote this is:
a. bi-polar (CFK perhaps?)
b. isolated (hasn't noticed the rest of South America actually talking to and trading with the UK)
c. deluded (definitely CFK)
As for forming an alliance to stop the British attacking South America, well I think most South American countries would find the idea of the UK attacking laughable.
What is disturbing is the fact that they are incorrectly labelling the Falklands as South American territory, which it isn't - it's more than 300 miles away from South America. Their call for defense of South America sound very much like a call to attack the Falklands under the pretense of defending South America.
They tried this last year, basically 'begging' the rest of South America to attack the Falklands, push out the British military, and then just hand the spoils over to Argentina lock, stock and barrel.
As I recall not one South American country responded to their begging.
I also doubt that most South American countries would want a military alliance with each other, especially Argentina. Argentina doesn't honour any treaties, agreements or alliances, so would be the 1st to stab their fellow South American's in the back.
As for the UK's colonialism, just how the hell did South American end up speaking European languages, Spanish and Portuguese? Just where did all those non-native people come from?
Oh yes, it was the murderous squatters and pirates from Spain and Portugal wasn't it?
Hypocrites of the highest order.
@136
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the word you were looking for was “Hope” the Latnam don't get a Military Alliance together.....otherwise it would be time for the UK to scuttle off back to ole Blighty with her tale between her legs.
So this is what you fear is it?
137
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is getting embarrassing even by your standards Think. Some of the other Malvinista gutter trash on here must be starting to look at you in pity. At least start using a persona with some semblance of character and pride. Get up and wash yourself down and make up another new character and we promise we won't out you and pull you to pieces on the first night.
Pitiful.
The Might ALBA Military!!
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bolivia running the naval support
Argentina the Air
Venezuela/Ecuador land forces... equipped with blow guns and arrows tipped with Curare.
They'll deal with the climate as well as the Rg did in the 80s.
brr
So still no corroborating proof for this article.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not passing the bullshit test!
A_Voice doesn't like to say where he's from but seems to want to disprove others.
Small target syndrome so common on here for those that align with Think.
Not passing the bullshit test either.
A LatAm military alliance? Oh no, what will the UK do? After all it's only been in a military alliance for how long now?
Doesn't pass the bullshit rest either.
It would have to be an alliance of the LatAm losers. I don't' think they could find the islands much less land a force.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The last time Chavez tried to get tanks to the border of Colombia it was an embarrassment.
There is nothing to worry about
only to laugh
@140 Anglotino
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes the Argentines are deluded. But if they did somehow persuade the rest of South America to join them in a joint venture to invade the Falklands the UK would invoke Article 5 of the NATO charter, and pull our alliance partners in on our side.
In 1982 it wasn't necessary as it was basically a one on one fight, but if the Argentines try to change the rules, the UK will too.
@137 A Voice of Thinks
Repeat to yourself...must try harder.
The UK isn't worried about a LATAM alliance. Why? Well they can't even abide by the trade agreements they have with each other, so why would we believe that they would do any better in a joint operation.
I mean think about it.
1. Who would be in overall command of this joint force? Argentina? Brazil? Venezuela? Chile?
2. What is the goal of the joint force? By attacking the Falklands they would be declaring war on the UK. Even if they succeeded in taking the Falklands, how long could they hold onto it when the UK would be bombing the sh!t out of them and their military assets in South America?
3. What would the rest of LATAM actually gain by seizing the Falklands? Argentina certainly isn't known for sharing. It's all their way or no way.
It is a silly little pipe dream, made up out of sheer desperation of the fact that they know that they will never get their thieving mitts on the Islands or their resources.
Besides no naval asset would dare approach the islands, who knows what might be lurking beneath the waves....
@138
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We both know that you are a puppet………still over zealously using the full stops in one paragraph…..familiar, learn to disguise it with the odd comma!
When I have need of a marionette I'll call you!
@132 reality check
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@136 LEPRecon
Argentines are brainwashed from birth, with the lie that Britain stole the FI.
They started a war over the FI and lost.
Its written in their constitution, in their news daily, and the cornerstone of their foreign policy.
Their country is run by morons.
If Argentina were a person, think of maybe ...Gazza.
There may be similar articles to this over the next few years in the RG media, the attitude sums them up, they can't do it themselves so get others to do it.
A_Voice is having problems is A_Comeback
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lemme guess the next post: I know you are but what am I?
Can anyone explain WHY “Mercopress” insist's on printing the garbage constantly reguritated by these Argy lunatics without first confirming their insane statements..?Surely any news network worth its salt would “Check” the facts with the side being quoted especially when dealing with a bunch of hysterical Argy lunatics who would'nt know the truth if it bit them on the ass...!!
Jun 17th, 2013 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0146. That could be MP's intention, make the Rg look even more foolish by getting their nutty lies into the English speaking press.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not many of us read “maid”.
@142
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't need a Military Alliance…….just the threat of one.....
“Tae send them Homewards tae think again”
The good thing about propaganda is, if it is not denied or refuted……then it has accomplished it's purpose, I haven't seen the Irish denying anything!
Are we learning yet?
Who do you think it is targeted at?…….Latin America!
@148
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They did have a military alliance before, its main purpose was making electrical circuits out of students and trade unionists.
The thing about having a National Arsehole Policy, as Arjuntina clearly has, is that it can only ever offer short term benefits. Eventually it always backfires on you. The trick is to get away with a large part of the Exchequer before that happens.
Poor thinko. So he's now admitting Filmus is lying to drum up support in Latin America.
Jun 17th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And asks if we are learning yet?
We already knew, glad you've admitted you know too.
No moral compass thinko. You are showing yourself up again.
@150
Jun 17th, 2013 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh wow Sherlock, now extrapolate the logical conclusion of your statement!
I know it might hurt to except it.......two different people!
Oh, come on Thinko!! You've already done a few joke nods towards the A_Voice account being a sock puppet....................................don't backtrack now.......................................rack up the comedy or give the Knacker the coup de grace.........................
Jun 17th, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@152
Jun 17th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hehehe............I know you..........past my bedtime ..........sleep on it!
Truth may sometimes hurt but delusion harms. These politicians should heed this quote.
Jun 18th, 2013 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0These lies will only prolong the dispute and result in more pain for the argentine people and annoyance for the islanders.
#134
Jun 18th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK, you win. I am fed up trying to converse with a Think clone.
I have had 40 years of dealing with crooks, arseholes and other bumptious prats and don't need it now.
If you are going after scomber scombrus, give it a chance and don't use a darrow or other lines of mass destruction.
Use a light weight spinner rod with an Abu 507 spinning reel and an Abu krill - any comparable reel and lure will do. File the barbs of the treble hook so that you can return it to the sea without damage unless you wish to eat it.
The weather in my holodeck is warmish with a glimpse of sunshine so I will get into my mythical car and head off to Loch Doon to see how the Ospreys are doing.
The time in my planet is 12:33 and I will have to make my own coffee as my wife is engrossed in “Bargain Hunt”
My apologies to other posters for taking up their time with meaningless drivel.....but again, there is plenty of that as can be seen above !
Perhaps the good senator Filmus who said this:
Jun 18th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Despite the fact that not so long ago representatives from the Malvinas Legislative Assembly were here in parliament to explain their opposition, the Irish lawmakers said they supported the Argentine position and the fact that the recent referendum organized by the British in the Islands has no incidence on international law to that respect”.
Should read this:
“To continue to examine the political, economic and social situation in the Non-Self-Governing Territories, and to recommend, as appropriate, to the General Assembly the most suitable steps to be taken to enable the POPULATIONS of those Territories to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence, in accordance with the relevant resolutions on decolonization, including resolutions on specific Territories;” (the capitalization of 'POPULATIONS' is mine).
That text is taken from UN General Assembly Resolution 67/134 dated 14th January 2013. Which can be found here:
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/134
So much for the RG claim/lie/myth. It would now appear that the UN has quite categorically stated that 'populations' do have the right to self determination.
@156
Jun 18th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent.
@156
Jun 18th, 2013 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that Biguggy, a vital piece in the Copy and paste war with the Malvanistas
@157 & 158
Jun 18th, 2013 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you, but in all fairness I picked it up from “trenchtoast” on another thread on this site. I am just 'spreading it about'.
@159 - Biguggy
Jun 18th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice link. I've read it 3 times and I still can find any paragraphs that say that Non-Self Governing Territories should be handed over to another colonial power, against the will of its inhabitants.
Or and paragraph that states that the C24 decolonisation committee has any remit to make statements or rulings regarding sovereignty of any Non-Self Governing territory.
In fact that document emphatically states that the C24 decolonisation committe should pull its finger out and start actually supporting the self determination of the people's of the Non-Self Governing territories, which would include recognising, for example, a referendum by the people of that territory stating what they want.
Once that is done, I'm sure that Gibraltar, the Falklands, St Helena and many more territories can be removed from the list, as they are happy with being British Overseas Territories. That is what they want. That is their self determination.
Perhaps the Committee should also ban countries such as Argentina, unless of course Argentina wants to decolonise itself and give the land back to the native inhabitants.
Or maybe native Amerindians aren't people either in the eyes of the Nazi Argentine regime?
So Biguggy,for the benefit of those people who will grab at any straw,hoping it will save them,can you demonstrate :-
Jun 18th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 01/where the UN backed the referendum and declared that the relevant resolution on the matter was now not applicable.
2/ Where the Irish government announced that it had reversed its position on the matter
Wouldn't it be hilarious for a country to support the occupation of a territory after itself fight a protracted and violent liberation struggle itself.And from the same occupier which claims to have renounced its colonial past?
Grabbing at straws hoping it will save them from exactly what may I ask?
Jun 18th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine sovereignty!
Not going to happen.
@161 Yuleno
Jun 18th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please supply a link to the Irish government stating that it supported Argentina's sovereignty claims?
An actual link to an actual web-site or news site that actually DIRECTLY quotes a member of the Irish government stating what Filmus has claimed they have stated.
None of the other Argentine trolls on here have been able to find one, because Filmus is a liar.
What UN resolution are you referring to Yuleno? 2065? That resolution which Argentina broke by illegally invading the Falkland Islands in 1982?
Ban Ki Moon has publicly stated that the UK is NOT in breech of ANY UN resolutions, be they non-binding General Assembly resolutions or binding UN Security Council resolutions.
Argentina certainly cannot claim the same thing, as you breeched UNGA resolution 2065 & 1514.
You also broke international law by invading the Falkland Islands, and ignoring the legally binding UNSC resolution, forcing the British to invoke Article 51 of the UN charter which allowed us to kick your arses off our property - namely the Falkland Islands.
Those Islands which are now the sole property of the inhabitants, who have the right, according to UNGA resolution 1514, and reiterated in the link biguggy put forwards, that they and ONLY they can choose their own future.
There is nothing in any of them about handing over the sovereignty of the Islands to a different colonial power. It's the decolonisation committee, not the colonisation committee.
That committee has been told in short order to pull its finger out. You can tell by the sudden change in attitude of the C24 chair, who will now have to VISIT the NSGT and speak to the actual people who live there.
I know Yuleno why don't you petition your government to take this to the International Court of Justice? With all the 'evidence' Argentina has you're bound to win...oh wait...no you have no evidence at all just wishful thinking, lies and fairy-tales.
@161 Yuleno
Jun 18th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As many supporters' of the RG position have frequently claimed that the Islanders do not have the right to self-determination and appear to have based it on two main factors:
1. That now irrelevant GA Resolution 2065 called the inhabitants of the Islands a 'population' and not a 'people' as stated in the UN Charter.
2. The voting down of a UK proposed amendment in 1985, totally ignoring that, by the same convoluted logic, a similar attempt to have the right to self determination removed by Argentina and Spain was also voted down.
The subject Resolution 67/134 clearly gives the Islanders' the right to self determination. I would think that the vast majority of sane people would believe that the subject referendum was an expression of that self determination.
As to your second point, we have yet to hear what the Irish Government, or indeed any elected Irish Politician makes/thinks/understands of the meeting/statement by Filmus who is noted, on occasion, to be casual with the truth.
@161 Yuleno: Nice of you to admit that the Falklanders need saving from Argentina.
Jun 18th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, the UN does not need to back the referendum for it to stand. The result does not call for any change. Do you think that the UN has a reason to doubt if the result declared is the actual opinion of the Falklanders? If it is a valid display of self determination by the Falkanders and they require no change then why would the UN feel the need to comment?
You say:
“Wouldn't it be hilarious for a country to support the occupation of a territory after itself fight a protracted and violent liberation struggle itself.”
No it would not be hilarious. What has happened in South America after the Latin invasion is a tragedy. I can't see the indigenous populations ever liberating themselves.
Since Argentina is so interested in the history of these things, perhaps Argentina should suggest a multinational UN force should liberate the area of SA now known as Argentina, and send the plastic Spanish society that they find there back to Europe.
(155) Clyde15
Jun 18th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhhhh a fellow fisherman!
I never catch nothing with no bloody Abu Krill, though…..
When ”Spinning” the North Eastern Atlantic/Baltic waters for fun, my equipment has almost always been the same….:
A Hardy Marksman Spin 9’6 10-20 gr. (or similar)
My Ol’ faithfull Abu Cardinal 44 (with ~200 m 0.20 mono)
Sølvkroken Jensen Mini 7 & Stingsild 12 gr. (Refitted with barbless single Mustads, of course)
Just perfect tackle for Herring, Garfish, Mackerel, Cod, Sea Trout & even the odd Salmon……
Ps:
Mr. Clyde15…
I’ll repeat again…..
They are no “Think Sock-Puppets”, no “Think Nomes de Plume” nor “Think Clones”.
I can give you my fisherman’s word!
Whew, looks like the Merval is taking a beating over the last few weeks. I am guessing what little stock was still held by Anses has been getting liquidated so they can get the U$ into BCRA to pay for fuel.
Jun 18th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not pretty.
Not pretty at all.
165#
Jun 18th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of rubbish..
164#
On the Irish question.If you know the last time you heard of the position of the Irish government was its condemnation of the British occupation of the territory,that would be the position until you could show where the Irish gvt.changed its position.Would it not?So where did you hear that it had.Not in December 2012 because there was no such comment at that time
The fact that the British gvt.had a referendum was not in contravention to any restriction by the UN.It just didnt have any relevance to the UN and was merely a British propaganda exercise to be used to attract support to its continued resfusal to meet with Argentina to peacefully resolve what the UN determine as a colonial situation.Hence its inclusion in the list of de-colonial items of the UN de-colonialization committee.
163#
Try and recognise that the British view of the world,politically,has changed since the colonial days.The fact that there is only a small population of foreigner involved does not alter the fact that the islands are occupied.
I don't need to show you something,a blind mouse can't see cheese but it can smell it
@166-Think the idiot
Jun 18th, 2013 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Hardy Marksman Spin 9’6 10-20 gr. (or similar)???????
Wait so after all your “anti-anglo” this and “anglo turnips that” you use what can only be described as the most quintessential and traditional British of products, a Hardy fishing rod?!!???
@168 Yuleno
Jun 18th, 2013 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boo Hoo!!!! All your straws disappeared?
“The fact that there is only a small population of foreigner involved does not alter the fact that the islands are occupied.”...as is South America with a large population: you are utterly deluded.
“If you know the last time YOU heard of the position of the Irish government was its condemnation of the British occupation of the territory”
Link? quote? date even? PMSL
“It just didnt have any relevance to the UN and was merely a British propaganda exercise to be used to attract support to its continued resfusal to meet with Argentina to peacefully resolve what the UN determine as a colonial situation.Hence its inclusion in the list of de-colonial items of the UN de-colonialization committee.”
The Falklands is on the C24 list because the UK put it there: NOTHING TO DO WITH ARGENTINA (no matter what your cronies on the commitee might think).
There is no link, other than the one that leads straight back to, guess who? Filmus!
Jun 18th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As Cilla use to say, “surprise, surprise!!!”
@168
Jun 18th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really think you can use resolution 2065 to support an amendment to your Constitution which you enacted 30 years later? When it was you yourselves that violated the resolution?
(169) Conor J
Jun 18th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“.....after all your “anti-Anglo” this and “Anglo turnips that” you use what can only be described as the most quintessential and traditional British of products, a Hardy fishing rod”
I say....:
1) ”.....the most quintessential and traditional English of products, if I may be so bold...... Nearly as quintessential and perfect as Pippa'ss.....
2) As I have made abundantly clear on these pages....., my beef if with the invasive Anglo Turnips in the South-Atlantic.... Them Alnwick chaps are certainly no turnips........
@173
Jun 18th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right so you just conveniently separate Anglo and Turnip when you get caught with your trousers down? May I ask Think were are you from? It has never been clear to me thats all, you mention Scandinavia a lot, so please inform me.
168 Yuleno- Do pease tell me about this referendum held in the Islands organised by the British? None of us hear ever heard about one organised by the British?
Jun 18th, 2013 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody cheek of them if they did as our own Govt decides what happens within the Islands.
Would you like to check with the Int Observer Team who supervised the referendum that was held in march - you will find that they will tell you that the Referendum was organised by the Falkland Islands Govt and its elected Assembly.
As for the Irish - please provide the link or the statement that they are alleged to have issued recently supporting Argentina and disregarding the Referendum - please be a sport - - produce it!
@168 Yuleno
Jun 18th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So no link to an actual Irish politician then?
So sad.
But like I've stated earlier, take it to the International Court of Justice.
Surely, since you believe EVERY single word that your government spouts over the 'malvinas', that you would support such a move. Especially as all the 'evidence' that your government has would clearly show that Argentina has true sovereignty over the islands.
So why won't the Argentine government take it to the ICJ? I mean they're in court every other week over something or other, so why not this?
Is it because they know that every SINGLE bit of information that the Argentine public has been fed since Peron has been a big packs of lies that doesn't actually stand up to the scrutiny of anyone with an IQ over 80?
Frankly, I'm surprised the UN has put up with Argentina's childish antics for so long. The next General Assembly resolution should simply state that Argentina takes it's case to the ICJ (just like the UK has asked you to 3 TIMES) or Argentina by default acknowledges that the UK is the true and native sovereignty holder of the Falklands.
And since the UK is into decolonisation of all its territories, it won't be long before the Islanders decide that they want full independence.
Of course by then they'll be far richer and stronger than Argentina, who will continue to vote in corrupt and inept governments who rob the country blind, and one day Argentina will vanish from the face of the Earth, swallowed up out of pity by your neighbours who can no longer stand by and watch the self inflicted wounds, and the monumental self pity.
(174) Conor J
Jun 18th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask politely.....:
May I ask Think were are you from? It has never been clear to me thats all, you mention Scandinavia a lot, so please inform me.
I can not other than answer....:
As I have made abundantly clear on these pages.....
Born and raised (mostly) in Argentina.....
Moved around a bit in my younger days.......
Not so much anymore....
Regards
El Think, Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.
He can't because basically Filmus is what politicians like to refer to as, “A lying bastard!”
Jun 18th, 2013 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a diplomatic technical term, frequently used, but not often to each others faces, shame about that really.
@177
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your response.
(179) Conor J
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your'e Welcome...... but....
You better watch out Mr. Conor J.....
Anybody in here showing the least sign of civility towards this humble Argentinean risks to be stigmatized as an Argie Sock Puppet.....
We wouldn't want that....., would we?
@168 Yuleno
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Guess which country voted for UN General Assembly Resolution 67/134?
I'll give you a clue, its name starts and ends with 'a'. Many others that start and end with 'a' also voted for 'it' but none that start and end with 'a' voted against it, or abstained. Enough clues?
I do not know if this link will work but it does give the voting details:
http://unbisnet.un.org:8080/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=E3715U329I647.198390&menu=search&aspect=power&npp=50&ipp=20&spp=20&profile=voting&ri=&index=.VM&term=A%2FRes%2F67%2F134&matchopt=0%7C0&oper=AND&x=9&y=12&aspect=power&index=.VW&term=&matchopt=0%7C0&oper=AND&index=.AD&term=&matchopt=0%7C0&oper=AND&index=BIB&term=&matchopt=0%7C0&ultype=&uloper=%3D&ullimit=&ultype=&uloper=%3D&ullimit=&sort=
Which means Argentina voted for a Resolution that confirms the 'populations' of NSGT's do have the right to 'self-determination', there are no qualifications or exclusions listed so it applies to all NSGT's. I believe that in view of this the RG's will be very hard pressed to claim that the referendum organized by the FIG, not the UK, is anything other than an expression of 'self-determination'. I believe at the same time many RG supporters' need to be aware that even back when the UK Govt. were considering transferring sovereignty to the RG's it was the Islanders protests that halted the process, self-determination even back then.
#173
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, if you want the best traditional 14' cane salmon rod, the Sharps of Aberdeen model is what you need. It has more “feel” than its fibreglass or graphite competitors.
In the late 1960's my brother lived in Alnmouth and my nephews went to the Duke of Northumberland's school in Alnwick. They were friends with the Hardies - to my advantage ! I managed to get equipment at knock down prices and also a selection of Hardy fibreglass blanks which were new on the market. I made a 12' beachcaster, a 10' bass rod, an 8' spinner and a 6' lightweight spinner used with 4lb breaking strain monofilament line and casting a 28gm lure.
Toby's were no use as they were too large and the wind caught them and blew them back in your face. The krill was small and heavy for its size, could cast further and sank faster. Cod would happily take them if you let them sink to the bottom..
Most fishing for salmon or sea trout locally ban the use of spinners or bait. It is traditional fly fishing. Very difficult as the best beats were private and the others owned by angling clubs meant you had to get into the rivers in waders. To add to the difficulty, the salmon rivers here are spate rivers. When the rivers rise then the salmon head upstream and stop for nothing.
When the Clyde became overfished commercially, about 25 years ago, I gave up.
By this time, I did not like killing fish for“sport” and very rarely ate my catch. If it had been scallops or langoustines it would have been a different story.
Now my loft is full of fishing rods and reels, tins of feathers and fly tying equipment, Some of the old brass reels I inherited from my father-in -law, are from the 1890's and probably collectors items. I must get round to putting them on ebay.
Again apologies to all for deviation, it's a product of senior years.
Sometimes when I read the posts, I despair at the hatred on show. Would we really act like this face to face ?
Looks like it was a bad day for Mrs. DictaK and Democracy ( or whater you call it there) is still hanging on by the thinnest of threads.
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder where she goes from here?
My guess is a Ford Falcon( or current model) will be following the judges around
(182) Clyde15
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“Again apologies to all for deviation, it's a product of senior years.
Sometimes when I read the posts, I despair at the hatred on show.”
I say....:
1) No apologies needed... (Geeee would certainly luuuuv to see that loft of yours!)
2) Hate (and work) is for people that can't fish...... ;-)
Ps:
As I just wrote to another poster in another thread......
You better watch out, Mr. Clyde15.... Anybody showing this humble Argentinean some civility gets immediately branded as an Argie Sock Puppet ;-)))
Admittedly late to the party - I tried to find ANY corroborating literature for these latest Argentine claims but google has returned with precisely zero.
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can find absolutely no corroboration for the claims whatsoever.
Odd that... oh, hang on a bit!
No it isn't -its just yet more Argentine bullshit supported by some rapid sock-puppeting by el Thinko and his desperate Dans.
Think and the other Puppeteers really needs to spend some time thinking more about their creations: other than the use of similar temrinology, phrases, punctuation and special characters - they always use the same methodologies for “Proving they are real”.
Sure, the locations and names change, but the methodologies never change - right up to the point where el Think logs in under a different name to post as Think and outs himself (or one of the other Puppeteers does likewise).
Until they can avoid the commonality of writing and methodology of post & proof, their sock-puppets will always be easy to spot...
regardless of where they claim to herald from, or when, or how they lead the British Task force blahblahblahblahblah.
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Connor J - you cannot trust anything from Think - he's exposed himself in public far too many times... which is rather a piss-poorp performance for somebody who consistently claims to be superior to everybody else on the planet!
ateotd he is a very naive and sheltered person hiding behind a façade of wikipaedic “knowledge”... regardless of where he (or she) is from.
Billboards Thinko
Jun 18th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
There is a strange coincidence between me calling A_Voice a Knacker and a couple of references since then in your 'conversations'.
And I thought it a very obscure term that was not obvious in any on the online dictionarys I checked.
Credit where it is due Sr. Think: your knowledge of the British Isles' culture is impressive.
@185
Jun 18th, 2013 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ermm .....Yarp you are really getting confused with the term puppet and puppeteer are you saying there are several puppeteers with several puppets or one puppeteer with several puppets. I'm confused because you appear to refer to all the puppets as Think??
Please clarify!
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Jun 18th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct me if you think I am mistaken,but didnt the Brits oversee the wording of the question?
Didn't the Brits suggest the exercise?
Don't the Brits control foreign policy of the puppet gvt of the islands.
Why do you qualify your request for the policy of the Irish gvt.with the word 'recent'.Does the ability of you to highlight its policy on the question of the islands mean you cannot demonstrate that they are sympathic with the cause of the colonials.
LEP
Why do you harp on like lord ton,that plagiariser of history, chelping on about a dead resolution and the ICT.There is an organisation which advises that the colonial power meets with Argentina on the question of the islands.It does not advise that the islanders meet with Argentina because as colonial occupiers they do not have the independance to do that,and under the current situation the occupying country does not allow them to do that.
How could a country be independant when it cannot carry out it own foreign policy?What nationality are the occupiers of the islands?Northern Irish? Brits?
German?What nationality are they?
@188
Jun 18th, 2013 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allow me :
> Correct me if you think I am mistaken,but didnt the Brits oversee the wording of the question?
No, they didn't.
> Didn't the Brits suggest the exercise?
No, they didn't.
> Don't the Brits control foreign policy of the puppet gvt of the islands.
No, they don't.
> Why do you qualify your request for the policy of the Irish gvt.with the word
'recent'.
Because a). government policies change. For example previous Arjuntinian governments were happy enough to enter into agreements with islanders who now apparently don't exist, and indeed we are asked to believe that present-day Arjuntina is a completely different country from junta Arjuntina.
b) Your very own Senator Filmus claims to have received fulsome support from the Irish government only last week, although curiously enough there is no mention of this on the press or on any Irish government website, including the sites of the only two named participants.
> There is an organisation which advises that the colonial power meets with Argentina on the question of the islands.
> It does not advise that the islanders meet with Argentina ....
It has never stated any advice, restrictions or recommendations about who should meet whom. It is an unfounded Malvinista delusion that the UN, or any organ of it, has voted to exclude the islanders fron any negotiations about their own future.
> How could a country be independant when it cannot carry out it own foreign policy?
In fact the islanders voted to remain a BOT. I don't think anybody has claimed independence at this point.
> What nationality are the occupiers of the islands?Northern Irish? Brits?
German?What nationality are they?
I believe about 50 different nationalities are represented among the islanders. None of them, apparently, wish to be Argentine, with the possible exception of those who are already. I wonder why that is?
@188 Yuleno
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you could explain for me, and I suspect, some others why the RG's insist that any 'talks' have to be bi-lateral (British and Argentine) and will not accept the presence of the Islanders' representatives at those talks when at the same time they (the RG's) claim that the Islanders' are British (which, at the moment, of course they are).
@188 Yuleno
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you could tell us when the indiginous peoples in what is now called Argentina set up an immigration service and invited Europeans to come and stay? Are you descended from colonial occupiers by any chance? Or perhaps you are descended from people that moved to Argentina via an immigration policy set up by the descendents of colonial occupiers?
Your inability to see the hypocrisy in your standpoint on the Falklanders would be hilarious if it didn't show Argentina to be an unjust country never to be trusted.
“There is an organisation which advises that the colonial power meets with Argentina on the question of the islands.It does not advise that the islanders meet with Argentina because as colonial occupiers they do not have the independance to do that,and under the current situation the occupying country does not allow them to do that.”
Utter rubbish and you know it. When the UN recognises problems between nations, it recommends they talk through to a solution rather than start shooting. The UN also has the aim of populations aspiring to self-determination being able to exercise that self-determination. To avoid absolute anarchy in places such as Africa,where new countries are based on old colonial administration areas, the UN has put in place a saltwater rule.
This saltwater rule would still apply to the Falklands even if Argentina could somehow get the UK to agree to let them have the islands. That means getting the islands off the UK is nothing but an illusion: THE ISLANDS STILL BELONG TO THE ISLANDERS.
EXAMPLE: If the French said to Argentina “You can have French Polynesia” but the local population democratically declare for independence then YOU DON'T GET IT!!!! If you try to warp the democratic process by flooding the area with Argentineans, then that is a real planted population (the current population of the Falklands is no more planted than Argentina).
Talking to the Islanders is the only option Argentina has.
@188
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are Falkland islanders first as their nationality and British second with their citizenship. They are proud of both identities, just as Argentines are proud of being American and Argentine.
Yuleno- No the Refernendum was the idea of our elected Assemply. Having decided to do it, they naturally sought professional advice from Legal Diplomatic experts inplaces like UK-The Commonwealth Secretariat etc.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0That advice was given - and in the end our elected representatives made the final choice on wording etc and invited the International Observer team - who were paid for by a third party nation so nobody could point fingers - neither us nor UK paid for it.
Our elected Govt is democratically elected and runs the internal local Govt of the Islands and the laws etc - and the Governor has ZERO voting power internally.
Yes the UK has final responsibility in Foreign Affairs because we are not Independent nor yet is it realistic - threatened as we are by a greedy large neighbour- Argentina - who has said publically(ask your defence Minister) they would indeed retake the Islands by force-(against the wishes of the people who live here), if there was no British Defence Garrison here.
Foreign Affairs - actually also the Islands Govt decides who it is sending where overseas to represent our case, and pays for them - so we actually do a lot of our own Foreign Policy today as well. Be it visiting S.American nations,the UN,or wherever. Naturally I expect we tell the Uk what we are planning to do so they can offer logistical assistance where required as they have worldwide diplomatic prescences - we do not.
The Irish Govt - quote me the date then and detail of the most recent statement made by the Irish Govt on the Falklands issue?
189 - can assure you very few if any of the Argentines living here want the Islands to become Argentine! They do not want to slide backwards and downwards!
Yuleno=owned!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tinka and Voicey are like Mrs Slocombe and her pussy. One is crackers and the other a wee wet.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@188 - Yuleno
Jun 19th, 2013 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0So still no actual link to an actual Irish politician stating that they support Argentina's position?
Also you show your ignorance of how international law works (I'm not sure if that's real ignorance or feigned), because the UN General Assembly cannot force any COUNTRY in the world to do ANYTHING that they don't want to do.
This is why General Assembly rulings are non-binding.
The UN Security Council was set up to try keep the peace and prevent another major global war. Yet it still CANNOT rule on sovereignty issues. All it can do, as it did in 1982 with resolution 502, is give a legally binding Security Council resolution to one or more parties involved.
It has other options, which start with sanctions, and end with military involvement in the roles of peace keeping and peace enforcement. But they still cannot force a change in sovereignty. That is out of their remit.
Now the UN has another branch called the International Court of Justice. This is the only branch that can rule on issues such as sovereignty.
Yet Argentina has avoided the place like the plague. We have to wonder why, don't we?
If Argentina is SO sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it truly owns the Falkland Islands it should be able to prove it in a court of law.
However several points stand in the way.
1. Argentina has no EVIDENCE that it EVER held sovereignty of the Islands at ANY point in history.
2. It is no longer the 19th Century, it is the 21st Century, and the rule of 21st Century law takes precedent. That law, as written in the UN Charter, which was signed by ALL members, states that ALL people have the RIGHT to determine their own future.
3. UNGA 1514 resolution states that the populations of non-governing overseas territories have the right to self-determination.
And the Argentine government knows this, and perhaps more importantly doesn't want this dispute solved, as it is a useful tool to distract the public whilst they stuff their bank accounts with money.
Think comes out with a classic. Anyone who agrees with him is considered a sock-puppet. No fucking kidding Sherlock. Why would anyone think that of you? How many names have you made up now in an effort to make some footholds in this pointless Mercopress mud slinging competition? 10, 20?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Commander was my favourite though. Terribly flawed but entertaining.
Credibility check anyone?
Chuckle. Chuckle.
This story is misleading and opportunistic!
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ireland supports, and will always support self-determination. Frankly, even when Ireland does not agree with the UK, it NEVER sides with the UK's enemy!
South American journalists have mistaken Irish hospitality and kindness, as support for their cause... they should look deeper and not be so naive! Thats what diplomacy is all about after all!
So they met with the airship lawmakers and were able to get them to say they supported independence. Obviously the Argentine delegation were not properly briefed or forgot that they were supposed to be looking for backing for their government position that Islands should NOT be independent and instead be part of Argentina.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a massive FAIL.
If they had come to the UK and arranged a meeting with George Galloway (MP for Tehran West) and a couple of friends they would have been able to do a press release saying British lawmakers backed Argentine sovereignty. Yet they go to Ireland and all they get is support for talks and identifying it as an independence (self determination?) issue which Argentina is opposed to.
You have to laugh at the militarisation argument. Argentine military personnel in the region 70,000 - British 2,000.
To understand the Argentine mind set you have to realise they totally wet themselves with fear when the Duke of Cambridge turned up with his unarmed yellow helicopter. There is a complete lack of faith in the Argentine military as the country is convinced that 2,000 men could overwhelm their forces.
@199 RICO
Jun 19th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The amusing this is that it isn't 2000 military personnel, more like 1,200. There both male and female service personnel, and not all of them are frontline troops, yet they still wet themselves with fear that these 'mighty' British troops might attack and invade Argentina! LOL
Even 1200 would be enough to invade Argentina. We don´t have weapons, remember?
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With CFK emasculating her own fighting men ( is this indicative of a larger pattern of behaviour?) Argentina is left armed with only their political zeal and their wits, or half-wits as the case may be.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Time for the UK to call in that multi billion 'non bail out' cheap loan they were given, but at EU bailout inflation cost. You really ought to be sniffing around your latin friends, the Spanish, for your financial support now seeing as you all piss in the same pot.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0196# LEP
Jun 19th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice post.You must have really enjoyed posting your original thoughts.But how relevant are they to the issue at hand.Why do you read mercopress which reports on matters it considers of interest to its readers.
Here they report on what the argentine delegation said after their meetings with representatives of the Irish gvt.What do you say?
You say that the argentine delegation are bearing false witness.How do you know?You don't say.You want a second a second opinion?From the Irish?
Where do you get your arrogance from?Why do you read news items?
Really you have a fine opinion of your own self worth,to think that if you don't believe something others need to convince you.I certainly don't feel that compulsion.If you don't believe it that your problem.Quoting what role the UN has,what resolution it has passed,what other setup s it has,along with your interpretation of the history of the dispute is all hot air,that has all been said before by other single minded Brits.
The UK and its failing economy in the past 100 years is increasingly losing its position in the world.For this reason the once great colonial empire has dwindled to a few overseas territories,such as the Malvinas.Therein lies the relevant matter.Overseas territories.There are people and there are territories,and that is why so many countries support the argentine position.The position of the Irish in this matter is quite understandable in view of their belief in the right to self-determination.Its the colonial occupier of the territory who are ensuring that the self-determination of the people is denied.
Still no supporting material from the Irish government Yuleno? Perhaps they also had a meeting with a leprechaun while they were there.
Jun 19th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also please look up the difference between relative decline and absolute decline.
Here I'll help as I'm always willing to help people with low IQs.
UK = relative decline.
Argentina = absolute decline.
@204 Yuleno
Jun 19th, 2013 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government lies all the time, so anything that they report other's have said, without supporting evidence of those people actually saying it, is worthless, just like your currency.
I have trawled Irish news sites, and Irish government sites and there is NOT one mention of the Argentine delegation, let alone the imaginary support the Irish supposedly gave you.
It is you who cannot produce ONE shred of evidence to back up what your lying politicians have said.
How do I know they're lying? Their lips were moving.
As for the UN, well it's Argentina that is always spouting off and running off to the UN to cry, crawl, beg and moan about the mythical 'malvinas' of which the General Assembly and the Security Council cannot do anything about.
It's Argentina that is always spouting off about defunct UNGA resolutions, defunct because it was Argentina that broke them.
Now if your government truly wanted to resolve this issue, then they'd take their sovereignty claims to the ONLY body in the world that can actually help you, namely the International Court of Justice.
In fact, surely every 'good' Argentinian should be demanding that the Argentine government goes to the ICJ. I mean you all believe the crap that the government spouts, so you should have no doubt that you would lose.
Except of course that you know that all of Argentina's claims are outright lies and fairy tales, and you would be laughed out of court.
You deluded people are spoon fed about how Argentina was robbed of territory in the 19th century by Britain, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay etc... yet there is no EVIDENCE to support you victim mentality.
But keep humiliating yourselves on the international stage. It's really very amusing.
204 &205
Jun 20th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a pair of idiots you are!
Just as you don't believe what mercopress write,or what an argentine representative says.I don't believe anything you post!
Have you found any response from the Irish government denying the substance of the article?No!
Idiots
Make up your own version of reality do you?
Ha ha ha!
@207 Yuleno:
Jun 20th, 2013 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is a very strange response. Abuse followed by a bizarre statement trying to justify the dogma that you follow. Then deflection from the multiple requests for you to supply verification of the Irish government position (from people that have already made the effort to try and find it). Then more abuse, followed by a demonstration of ignorance into the massive body of documentation which backs up the Falklanders perception of their rights in the world.
Argentina cannot legally get the islands without the islanders consent, and your attempt at a round the world popularity contest does not change that. Therefore (and this is me critically analysing the situation to give my own opinion) can we assume that Argentina still has plans to at some point take control of the islands against the Islanders will and is attempting to use propaganda to dampen the response of the rest of the world to this aggressive act?
Argentina: peaceful nation my ass
208#
Jun 20th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well done
I read your post with real interest.I thought this is feedback that could be important to take on board.And then I got to the part common to all Yank or Brit posts:-
Therefore (and this is me critically analysing the situation to give my own opinion) can we assume that Argentina still has plans to at some point take control of the islands against the Islanders will and is attempting to use propaganda to dampen the response of the rest of the world to this aggressive act?
The part which was all you really wanted to post.The part where you make assumptions and portray those assumptions as truth and uncontroversially correct.
Sorry you are just as deluded as other northern hemisphere posters ie northern hemisphere in ideology.
#207
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Have you found any response from the Irish government denying the substance of the article?No!
Idiots”
Fighting talk. Care to back it up with chapter and verse ?.
Could it be that the Irish government is unaware of what your govt. are saying or do they care ? Only a thought.
The Irish govt. would only reply if questioned by the UK Ambassador. I am pretty sure he would if it was made public in the Irish press. So why was it not ?
210#
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fighting talk?
What are you on about?
A fair fight or on your terms,is it?
Another idiot!
To the Irish gvt the matter of the Malvinas is not a major item,so therefore,probably,they don't think it is appropriate to put out a news release.The occupying country didnt think it was news worthy either.Only the super-sensitive idiots on here thought it was crucially important.Ireland is just one of many countries that abhor colonial occupation.
#211
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may have not registered in your pea sized brain that if you call someone an idiot, that is FIGHTING TALK. If you say that to someone you could expect a punch in the face !
Ireland is just one of many countries that abhor colonial occupation.
Correct, that is why they abhor Argentina's attempt to colonise the Falklands !
If the Irish government came out and said it, then we would believe it.
You government has continually come out with “ the whole world backs us” and other blatant lies. That is why we would like to see it, if it is true, from a “reliable source”
Well isnt that tough for you old man.Does anyone care if you believe it or not.Well the Irish don't do they,otherwise they would allay your fears.Maybe the northern part of the island you occupy might have something for you.Your ancestors lived there and their progeny still do.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Yuleno can't find any corroborating evidence either.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems we all have something in common finally.
@213 Yuleno
Jun 20th, 2013 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ .Does anyone care if you believe it or not”
Of course. That is really the very crux of the matter.
Argentina tells us it is true, but there is no proof and no record that it actually happened.
Are Argentina's charges and statements corroborated by others - or not??
Argentina says “yes, Ireland backs us up”, but where is Ireland's statement saying “ we agree with Argentina”.
Until Ireland states it publicly, or an independent source witnesses and reports it,
it does not exist.
215 Argentina says “yes, Ireland backs us up”, but where is Ireland's statement saying “ we agree with Argentina”.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How heavy you are!!!
You can perfectly see in the photo that they are all smiling, happy very happy with Argentina
People smiling in a photo is now proof?
Jun 21st, 2013 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Idiot.
216 Malen
Jun 21st, 2013 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ You can perfectly see in the photo that they are all smiling, happy very happy with Argentina”
LOL, Argentina must have picked up the bar tab, that's all !
209 Yuleno: I'm afraid that was really pitiful reply (0/10 desperate). I'm sorry to have to tell you that, because it is obvious that you thought you were being really clever.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a real shame that my inclusion of a questionmark and actually saying it was my opinion wasn't enough to indicate you that I most definitely was not trying to claim to have written an unequivocal statement of fact.
If I have been deluded, then it must have been by illogical statements that have been made by Argentine government officials/malvinistas. I will admit, it is hard to follow the ideas that these ‘people’ (monsters more like) and come up with any sort of universal fairness.
Was I wrong? Was the short bald man of Soviet/Jewish heritage that were speaking Spanish on a live stream from the UN not saying that he should be given some islands over 1000 miles away from Buenos Aires against the wishes of people living there (some of which have ancestry going back 10 generations on the islands), based on some soldiers being sent from Buenos Aires nearly 200 years ago and (laughably – I actually thought Argentina were too embarrassed to mention this one again) because the Pope said they were Spanish.
No doubt you are mightily impressed by the massive show of support for Argentina at the C24, by the mixture of racially/culturally bigoted and morally bankrupt usual suspects. The propaganda might even fool some of the more lazy people exposed to it. My hope is that anyone with an inquisitive mind would actually look at why the committee has been set up, look at the statements made, realise something very strange is going on, and bother to examine the evidence. Of course this doesn't really matter that much, as the worst Argentina can do is make things so bad that the Falklanders go to the ICJ. And then it is game over, because this is not a popularity contest.
I wonder if the ICJ can award damages? Not that I can imagine Argentina ever paying them, you don't even pay your bills now…
“”“”“Have you found any response from the Irish government denying the substance of the article?No!”“”“”
Jun 21st, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0lolololololololololol
award for most pathetic “proof” ever goes to the above....!!!
Today Russia said that Argentina should mind it owns business and stop trying to colonise the Falklands.
Yesterday the USA stopped fence sitting and said that any more evidence of economic blockades against the Falklands Islands PEOPLE would result in them nuking BA.
China offered full support to the USA and also stated it was arming 5 million Irishmen to invade Argentina in an aim to find somebody with even half a brain.
'#213
Jun 21st, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correct nobody cares if I believe it or not.
The premise of your statement is, you can make up any crap story you want and if I don't deny it, then it must be true. If I do deny it, it is still true.
“Maybe the northern part of the island you occupy might have something for you.Your ancestors lived there and their progeny still do.”
Lets examine this. In the 5th century the western area of Scotland was settled by “raiders” from Ulster - N.Ireland.
Nobody invited them as the land they came to was already settled with local inhabitants who were either killed or assimilated.
An implanted population by Argentinian logic ? Finally the country of Scotland took its name from these settlers.
THEIR PROGENY STILL LIVE HERE.
Over the centuries there was continuous contact between the Scots and the Irish communities. To protect protestantism in the 17th century, Lowland Scots were encouraged to go to Ulster to farm. So in effect, they were going back home to where their ancestors had come from.
By your definition this is occupation ?
Your ancestors, ( the Spanish) arrived in what is now called Argentina, centuries ago By brutal conquest, they wrested the land from its original inhabitants. Have you gone home? NO !!
Have updated advice on potential visit to Argie Land (Note Date)
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=8541
@216
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have little man syndrome, your two are smiling and the Irishman is smirking. They the Irish are very friendly particularly if Argentina is picking up the bar bill.
@ 223 golfcronie
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even I would smile for them if they picked up my bar bill!
So after all these comments, still not one single piece of corroborating evidence.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not one.
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