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Falklands’ people happy exercising self-determination and with ‘current relationship with UK’
Falkland Islands representatives told the Special Decolonization Committee that under UN resolutions non self governing territories are entitled to exercise self determination and self government and C24 does not have the responsibility to judge on that right. Likewise the Falklands’ representatives again invited C24 to visit the Islands (seventh time) but with no reply. Read full article
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Jun 20th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More of this. Tell this partisan self-satisfied “committee” where to go. Pity you didn't take the time to question colonialist, imperialist argieland's presence. Or that of other latino thieves.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Their none impartiality will be it's undoing.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, Halford and Summers!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a shame their wise words will be wasted on this corrupt bunch of colonialists...
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know their is something dodgy going on, when one of the C24s customers is having to tell them how to do their job.
Sorry to disappoint C24, but that fat guy from the Sopranos popping his clogs is the UK headline, not this utter shite!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the UK lose again, that proves the UK is alone and with no argument supporting their position...
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History showed the UK only cares about their own interest...Let's see how much the UK keeps doing it when They fall apart with the rest of Europe...
Recently the UK denied again Self determination for the native people of the Chagos Islands and defends the trasplanted british population in the Malvinas islands...
It is just question of time, for the UK, to give the islands back to Argentina...
@8 Britworker
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think most people in the world who read political news are sick of hearing about Argentina's colonial sovereignty claim, its boring. What do they think the outcome will be?
But it has made the Guardian...
'Falkland Islanders contest Argentina sovereignty claim at United Nations -Falklands legislative assembly members travel to UN in New York to rebuff Argentina's renewed claim on archipelago...'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/20/falkland-islanders-argentina-claim-un
Will anywhere be posting a full transcript of this nonsense? There was so much unsupported opinion being given as fact that I could not keep up.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I honestly do not know how the Falklanders can keep their composure when surrounded by these scum. I take it that as diplomats in the UN they cannot be dragged through the courts for slander?
It is plain to see now why Argentina does not feel that it has to risk going to the ICJ: most of these guys are trying to help Argentina lay siege upon the Falklanders by calling for the natural resources to not be touched.
Timmerman's comments at the end about peaceful Argentina did make me laugh though. What a comedian he is.
@7 gibberish, as usual. The UK isn't even present at the meeting today.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When presented with unarguable facts, I suppose you have no option other than to offer bland generalisations and deflection. It wont work on independent, intelligent minds however. The Argentine population might just about fall for it though and I suppose that is all its leaders want.
The UK never attends the meeting and to be perfectly frank, after seeing them operate, I for one can understand why. It's nothing more than a Latam led circus, sooner it gets wound up the better.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know what, next year, the islanders should not dignify this farce with their presence. They are only ignored and insulted anyway.
Take that, C24 clowns.....“to contradict the founding principles of this Committee”....classic! Well played sir!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next year will be even better, Titman is going to be allowed to address them from the chair!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it seems that Halford and Summers made their points very well.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Might they have mentioned the continuing disturbances for land rights between the Indigenous Qom and the Argentine state to highlight hypocrisy of colonialism and implanted populations?
Like I have previously pointed out, BOTs make up the vast majority of the C24s customers 10/17. They have more power than they maybe realise, a coordinated boycott would end the current corrupt RG run regime.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reform of the C24 i.e. replacing its current corrupt members with neutral countries would pretty much end the sovereignty debate.
Why is it, that in a free 21st century world,
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People have a right to choose whom they wish to be,
Whom they wish to be associated with,
Except-
If you are argentine or claimed by Argentina,
And in this little adolescent deprived world, the only rights [if any] are those given by argentina, the only nationality you can be is argentinian ,
And the only country you can vote for, be part of, is Argentinian,
Yet the most disgusting thing about this whole business, is those stupid self retches,, countries that support CFK in the false claim.
Yet still claim to be democratic..
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I am surprised that neither of the two Falkland MLA's mentioned UN General Assembly Resolution 67/134, which was voted for by Argentina, and states, inter alia:
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“To continue to examine the political, economic and social situation in the
Non-Self-Governing Territories, and to recommend, as appropriate, to the General Assembly the most suitable steps to be taken to enable the populations of those Territories to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence, in accordance with the relevant resolutions on decolonization, including resolutions on specific Territories;”
It has long been a claim of the RG Government that the tight to self-determination was not applicable to the Islanders.
Searinox - tell me - how come your nation- Argentina- signed the various UN General Assembly Resolutions that our speakers referred to - yet seems to have forgotten all about them and ignores them?
Jun 20th, 2013 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If your country is not being hypocritical and two-faced - then please show me in detail who this is not so?
Timmerman was just interviewed by various press who didn't know much of the history....
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For living in the states for so long his English is appalling.
Anyway highlights:
The pope gave the Spanish the islands.
The Spanish gave them to argyland when they won independence and other bullshit from him.
Hilarious bullshit. Shame the press didn't know more to ask more reaching questions.
Fantastic delivery and i'm in no doubt that the C24 and argentine supporters have nothing remotely sane to argue with. Well done Team Falklands!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#7
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could you give me the date when Hell freezes ?
So who gave the pope the Islands?
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I know the answer to that, it was God.
You can see where this is leading can't you?
Argentines are really a lost tribe of Israel and the Malvinas is their holy land!
Tommorow in Porto Argentina becomes their new national .
Searinox - I see that Brazil and Falkland Island oil explorer Premier Oil think there is money to be made together.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please remind me what support you have?
You are an Argie, you are insignificant.
New national mantra!
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Timerman asked the UN to “require the United Kingdom to withdraw nuclear submarines” Falklands - Foreign Minister Hector Timerman, today called on the United Nations Organization (UN), “be required to immediately withdraw UK nuclear submarines have deployed in the South Atlantic and are a threat to peaceful countries.”...'
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201306/22022-timerman-pidio-a-la-onu-que-exija-al-reino-unido-retirar-los-submarinos-nucleares-de-malvinas.html
'UN 'backs Argentina over Falklands' - Argentina received “strong support” from the United Nations after it renewed its claim on the Falklands, according to its embassy in London...'
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201306/22022-timerman-pidio-a-la-onu-que-exija-al-reino-unido-retirar-los-submarinos-nucleares-de-malvinas.html
London said that the Committee of the UN is “old fashioned” and not defend the people - The British ambassador to the UN, Mark Lyall Grant, said today that the Decolonization Committee of the UN “is outdated” and not think about the people of the Falkland Islands and respects their right to self-determination...'
http://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201306/22022-timerman-pidio-a-la-onu-que-exija-al-reino-unido-retirar-los-submarinos-nucleares-de-malvinas.html
(23) Beef
Jun 20th, 2013 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you “filling your boots” with RKH shares?
Price is nice today.....123p Down-2.96%
Chuckle chuckle.....
@26 so fuckin what concentrate on your own clusterfuck, oh that's right you are share in the British are down due to you not buying a round
Jun 20th, 2013 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YPF YPF SA (ADR) 14.51 -0.09 -0.62% 5,706.97M
PZE Petrobras Argenti... 3.54 -0.33 -8.53% 714.73M
REPYY Repsol SA (ADR) 21.57 -0.84 -3.75% 26,334.02M
@26
Jun 20th, 2013 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fantastic price at the moment, fill your boots, you wont get them cheaper.
Have you actually looked at the markets today? All are negative.
Anyway come 2017 when first oil, you will be kicking yourself if you do not buy at these prices. just topped up with BOR , FALKLAND OIL AND GAS, ARGOS, DESIRE. Well you would do at these prices. FOOL not to
The Pope in question was the vile Borgia Pope Alexander VI, a Spaniard from the Valencia region. At the time Spain and Portugal were the best “clients” of the Vatican and when the New World was claimed by the Iberians the Alexander VI decided that it should be shared between them - this was subsequently confirmed by the two parties by way of the Treaty of Tordesillas, a town in Castilla León, Spain.
Jun 20th, 2013 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has claimed that their sovereignty of the Falkland archipelago can be partly based on the Pope's Bull and this Treaty as the successors of Spain. However, a strict interpretation of the Pope's decision and the treaty shows that the Falkland Islands, in fact, are situated in that part of the New World ceded to Portugal.
Certainly am Think. Looking forward to 2017 ;-)
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think probably works for YPF and is getting twitchy, or maybe he works for the British legion and customs a little slow because he's boring the customers to death, a bit like timidman at the C24 really. Get them shares bought stink in 2017 you'll be loaded and change sides, under a different name of course
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My favourite bit of Mike's speech...
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The only responsibility and duty of this Committee is to the peoples of the NSGTs. In the case of the Falkland Islands this Committee is not required or empowered to choose in a sovereignty dispute between the UK, the administering power, or Argentina the aspiring colonial power.'
Brilliant
While I remember it THINK, how are the court cases getting on? You know the ones CFK was going to sue nearly two years ago, Oh and all the companies involved in the FALKLAND OIL exploration. LOL LOL LOL
Jun 20th, 2013 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did TINPOTMAN use TANGO 1 to go to NY
Think - forgot- How come Timerman and Chrissie are not also objecting to Brazil building its own Nuclear Submarines?
Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These will be spending probably 80% of their time on patrol in the South Atlantic - and the other 20% still just next door of S.America in the south west N. Atlantic.
@34 the other 20% will be trying to keep out of the way of ours......................ooops difference being they will never know where ours are and nor will anyone else including the C24 so you can drop that pathetic argument from the list saying we have Nuclear Subs or submarines carrying nuclear weapons in the SA, you will NEVER know, who's to say that the Frigates and Destroyers deployed to the SA aren't carrying Nuclear weapons, you or me will never know..............same as we never used to carry NDB's NOT
Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 Islander1:
Jun 20th, 2013 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the answer you are looking for is because at a political level, the whole of continental South America stinks of hypocrisy.
C24 is an irrelevant, inefuectual Argentine colonial tool. Made up of mostly Latam irrelevant, ineffectual tools.
Jun 21st, 2013 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting how in their hand it has become a tool of colonisation rather than decolonisation, which I always understood the reason it was established. Latam politicians, gotta love em!
(30) Beef
Jun 21st, 2013 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wouldn't be prudent to wait a bit before “filling your boots” with all to expensive RKH shares, lad?
What was your average on RKH again? ................ ~150p I recall?
Price down again today.....120p Down -2.44%
Chuckle chuckle.....
”United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2625 (XXV) of 1970, people from Non Self Governing Territories can exercise self-determination and reach a full measure of Self Government through any political status, as long as it is freely determined by a people.”
Jun 21st, 2013 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice one Sharon, unlike all the references by Argentina to the UN, the Falkland Islanders can actually point to something that actually exists on paper.
@39 Pete Bog
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but as any devoted RG supporter will rapidly point out that Resolution only refers to 'people' and Resolution 2065 specifically refers to the inhabitants of the Islands as a 'population'.
Now for the life of me I cannot see the difference in the context that either word is used but the RG's are desperate to find a way to deny the Islanders the right to self-determination. Please see the RG Govt. website:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
Now late last year the General Assembly voted on Resolution 67/134, and mark this point very carefully Argentina voted for it. The whole Resolution is available here:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
The very relevant clause is in paragraph 7(c) on page 3 and this states:
“To continue to examine the political, economic and social situation in the Non-Self-Governing Territories, and to recommend, as appropriate, to the General Assembly the most suitable steps to be taken to enable the populations of those Territories to exercise their right to self-determination, including independence, in accordance with the relevant resolutions on decolonization, including resolutions on specific Territories;”
Please note it refers to 'populations', now as Res. 2065 referred to the residents of the Islands as a 'population' it is my contention that this Resolution very clearly confirms the right of the population of the Islands to self-determination. Please also note that there are no exclusions or exceptions to this. So yesterday Timberhead was, at the very least misleading the C24 committee, if not downright lying to it. To me this Resolution is more important and definitive concerning the Islanders right to self determination than Resolution 2625.
What do you think?
@ 40
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Although I do not speak their form of Italian/Spanish, perhaps the words, people,peoples,population, populations is lost in translation. Can't think how it can be confusing otherwise.
@ 41 golfcronie
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Totally agree with you. See the second paragraph of my post #40.
As I said the RG's are desperate to deny the Islanders their right to self-determination, you only have to listen to Timberhead's speech to understand this, and the content of their Govt. website:
http://cancilleria.gov.ar/es/history
In 2008 the Rg Govt. and Spain even tried to get an amendment made to a Resolution that would have eliminated the right to self-determination for the residents of Gibraltar and the Falklands, fortunately this attempt was voted down.
@40
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have the link between populations that you have proved-therefore by signing that resolution Argentina have accepted that a population is a people.
There is a clear link there between self-determination and population.
It simply makes Argentina's case even false-it would be different had they not signed that resolution.
Just wait for some crackpot way of them wriggling out of it.
@ 43 Pete Bog
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Just wait for some crackpot way of them wriggling out of it.”
I am, and I note the RG Govt. website referenced above refers to the Islands human population as 'inhabitants'.
@44 Inhabitants: the new Jews/Gypsies/Gays/Disabled/Dissidents... The more things change... Anything to dehumanize the faces they so desperately want to press the jackboot.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 43 Pete Bog
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Just wait for some crackpot way of them wriggling out of it.”
Try post 145 Devolverislas
at:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/06/20/falklands-fresh-with-referendum-results-will-challenge-the-c24-and-argentina#comment256579
For a good start. We did not have to wait long.
@ 45 GFace
Largely agree. Some RG supporters' have claimed that Resolution 2065 used the term 'population' to deliberately distinguish the Islanders from everyone else. I have never seen anything that supports this but that is not to say that it is untrue, I just do not know. However should it be correct then by using the term in Resolution 67/134 the UN have very clearly indicated that the Islanders do in fact have the right to self-determination regardless of anything else that has gone on previously.
THE FARCE IS OVER.
Jun 22nd, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although it's absoluty expectable that nothing will change after the last resolution which calls arg. and the u. k. to dialogue, in order to find a solution to this conflict, what is important to indicate, is that the so called referendum didn't have any effect for the u. n., in relation to this dispute. As i said a few months ago, people are not stupid, and the islanders have always known that the referendum was just a mediatic strategy. In fact, the president from the decolonization committe explained a few days before the election, the reasons why self determination is not applicable for this case.
If this cause has been a case of self determination, it would have been solved many years ago, beside, the u. n. would have never considered this cause like a special case.
I read the statements of both lawmakers, and i heard timerman's, as it was expectable, both parts told just what is convenient for them. Anyway, beyond official statements, we must investigate, in order to not to buy so easily the too partial analysis of the politicians.
If i decided to investigate, is because i have never believed in the mendacious official history, written by the most reactionary and conservative sectors of our society. Although some hypocrite people reject it, the historic and the legal issues that involve this conflict, have strong and weak aspects for both countries.
Another important point, is what was expressed by m. l. halford, when she said that for arg. there is just one outcome, however when she asked the u. n. to recognize the right to self determination for this case, and rejected arg.'s rights, this is evident that it doesn't represent just one outcome for mrs halford, anyway, this hypocrite analysis is often repeated by all the lawmakers from the islands. Perhaps they don't remember c. f. k's words, when she read before the u. n. last year, a secret proposal treated between arg. and the u. k. in 1974, which was based on a shared sovereignty.
@47
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Perhaps they don't remember c. f. k's words, when she read before the u. n. last year, a secret proposal treated between arg. and the u. k. in 1974, which was based on a shared sovereignty.”
The problem was this did not have agreement from the people born on the Islands.
Argentina will never understand that the UK cannot legally give the islands away without breaking the UN Charter, however powerful the UK may be, 3000 islanders hold sway over 60 million Brits.
Also, while the UK tried to sell the FIs down the road to Argentina in the 70s-this was foiled by self determination which being the basis of the UN charter w the UK had no right to ignore-Argentina also put their head in the sand when the 1850 treaty of perfect friendship between Argentina and great Britain is mentioned.
Which makes no reference to the Falkland Islands, and asserts only one grievance between the two countries.
Don't cry for us Argentina, you chose war and you lost.
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So stop sccweeming like itty bitty little girls!
#47
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever was on the table has now gone. Your country blew it by its action in 1982. Come back in 100 years.
47 axel arg
Jun 23rd, 2013 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1972, the UK thought it was acceptable to make a 'secret deal' about a territory without the agreement of its inhabitants. That was how we ended up with the situation with Diego Garcia.
That time is long gone. There is no way the UK will ever make a 'secret deal' over the Falklands. There will be no shared sovereignty without our agreement.
Whatever the C24 chairman says, we have basic human rights that go beyond any resolution of the committee and any view of his. Our right not to be dominated or subjugated trumps any notion you might have of territorial integrity or historical claims.
Your governments answer to this, which is to pretend we don't exist, is both scary and disgusting.
“Perhaps they don't remember c. f. k's words, when she read before the u. n. last year, a secret proposal treated between arg. and the u. k. in 1974, which was based on a shared sovereignty.”
Jun 24th, 2013 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0She read a proposal that was conditioned on the consent of the Falkland Islanders:
'However, I am to state that Her Majesty's Government would feel free to invite representatives of the Islands to form part of the British delegation, and that before final agreement the Islanders would have to be formally consulted and their acceptance sought by some form of popular representation.'
'However, I am to state that Her Majesty's Government would feel free to invite representatives of the Islands to form part of the British delegation, and that before final agreement the Islanders would have to be formally consulted and their acceptance sought by some form of popular representation.'
Jun 24th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I cannot remember if the RG's indicated that they would not accept that before or after the Islanders started to 'play merry hell', (exert their self determination) about the situation which eventually put the UK Govt. in the position of being unable to proceed with the negotiations anyway.
Additionally, as stated, it was a proposal, that the RG's refused.
PETE BOG. CLYDE15. MONTY69. DAB4763.
Jun 29th, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry for my dely. I respect your opinions, however, there is something which is much more important than our opinions, i mean objetive facts.
Although many people reject it, and beyond the distorted intepretation that the u. k. and the government from the islands often make, in relation to the right to self determination, the malvinas-falkland cause, has always been considered like a special colonial situation, maybe that's why, the u. n. has never applied that principle for this case, as it did for other colonial situations. Since the declaration of grant of independence to countries and colonial people, many ex colonies could become into independent nations, and the decolonization committe has suppported them. If some day many of you decide to investigate deeply about the right to self determination, you'll see that int. right doesn't apply it for absolutly every people under any circunstance, especially if there is a controversy of sovereignty.
Anyway, i know perfectly that you won't never agree on what i say, but beyond the hypocresy of some people in this forum, we all know that if the u. k. doesn't start negotiations with arg., as it is asked by the u. n., it's not because of the defence of the islanders to exercise self determination, it's actually because the islands are an strategic point, which can be a slice to the antartic sector.
In my opinion, th only one way to finish with this dispute, is taking the case to the int. arbitation, which was proposed by arg. betwen 1884-1888, and rejeted by the u. k., beside, in 1947 the u. k. manifested arg. it would be disposed to accept to discuss about the dependencies from the islands before the i. c. j., but it hadn't included the malvinas in the proposal. However, if none of the two nations gives that step, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a good result for thir countries.
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