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Pacific Alliance in a “marketing success” and no concern for Mercosur, says Brazil

Saturday, June 22nd 2013 - 05:51 UTC
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The Pacific Alliance is a ‘marketing success’ and does not represent a concern for Mercosur since it does not have the potential for physical integration as other blocks from the region, said Brazilian Foreign minister Antonio Patriota during a congressional hearing this week in Brasilia. Read full article


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  • reality check

    There is nothing to be concerned about.

    Whoops, when any politician says that, it's time to get very concerned!

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    The Pacific Alliance is a common market even though it is called by Patriota a 'marketing' entity.

    It has no ambitions to become 'physically integrated' like the European Union .... and nobody has suggested this for Mercosur either .. ever.
    The thought of The United States Of Mercosur makes me shudder.

    Surely Patriota has seen the problems the EU has created for itself ..
    .. does he really want this for Brasil, etc?

    Patriota remains, as ever, a fool.

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Two countries, from current list, for Pacific Alliance to avoid having as members. Spain and Uruguay. Spain because it has no connection to the Pacific and is just as bad as argieland. Uruguay because, as the Paraguay instance showed, it can't be trusted.

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Sounds like a PR stump to me. Why don't the mercosur countries just democratize trade as they like to democratize everything else and let the people decide?


    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    The U.S. is pro trade I think. But wouldn't letting a powerhouse like that into your organization really change things?

    Isn't the U.S. used to getting it's way all time, with a very advanced capability for doing so? Or no?

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I think that when you are looking on the outside looking in it appears we get our way all the time. However living on the inside it is not the case. We've lost many WTO cases. Either way, we are only seeking observer status. It's PA's choice, either way PA needs large markets to trade with.

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    It is satisfying to see that four outstanding nations of Latin America, Chile, Peru, Colombia and Mexico, have been the promoters of the Pacific Alliance. There is no sinister influence from Ecuador which must be quite miffed be its exclusion - no matter, it is a country which values its connection with Venezuela and Bolivia above all else, when will Correa learn to be pragmatic?

    Also, what is more welcome is the initiative which has been taken with no influence from Brasil and Argentina!

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    The PA wasn´t built to threat Mercosur.....(it will fall down by its own weight, sadly).
    The founders never thought over a physical integration, but a markets intagration which avoid the problems taht we are seing at the EU and Mercosur, so it´s a helpul measure not consider it....
    In a short time the PA has transformed itself in successful tool for the all members to increase their incomes to benefit their citiziens, so a lot of countries sharing cost to the Pacific Ocean have joined as observers and PR presented its solicitude to become full member, even countries with no physical contact with this ocean have joined it as observers, two of the from the Mercosur....
    Fortunately, this joint venture is a totally opposed based conception to Mercosur wich is meaning the success we can see....Free trade, cooperation, widening markets are real basis to become THE way to a better life for the people from those countries.....
    Mercosur, in the other hand, became a big martket a lot of years ago and then, with the arrives of populist Gvts. to thier members, has dropped year by year with an increasing protectionism and political interference within its memebers up to the ilegal expulsión of Paraguay (a move to include Venezuela rejected by Paraguay Congress) and the approach of countries like Bolivia and Nicaragua......Not good future for them in the short term......
    Mr. Patriota can´t recognize the truth directly, of course, but his words are the diplomatic acceptation of a big truth....The signs of this are the protesters on the streets last week.....

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Uruguay will be shot of Pepe before too long.

    Perhaps then, even with the chauvinistic, anti-abortionist, Vasquez in charge, we can get into the only real market for SA, the PA.

    Most probably by then Mercosur will just be a husk infested with Venezuela and The Dark Country and of no concern to anybody other than to steer clear of.

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Explain please!

    How does a giant trading organisation of four, I said four! Manage to fuck it up so spectacularly.

    Difficult I know, but it really must have taken enormous effort?

    Four only four! and the dickheads can still not get it right!

    Jun 22nd, 2013 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    We have some Pacific. And, the Pacific is where the prosperity at.

    I think my ideal for the U.S. is where the West Coast was one group (Arcadia, Hawaii, Cal) the American South was their own deal, and the East Coast had their thing and we were all best friends. With a libertarian approach from the bottom up.

    This would keep the pro-military/pushy people in the U.S., who definitely congregate in the American South, from attempting to get their way in the Pacific Alliance by using the money from the rich coasts.

    Jun 23rd, 2013 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    If its no concern why is he even talking about it?

    Jun 23rd, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    10@ The explanation is that those Gvts. main policies are as follows:
    “Must I do things well when it can be did wrong ??”.....“Must I do things now when it can be did tomorrow”.........or be leftist wing followers (which is a synonymous).....
    Their mirror are Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador & Nicaragua, next Mercosur full members Bananaland.......
    They have made their bigger efforts to do what was necessary to fail their legal commandment.....

    Jun 24th, 2013 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Math

    Mercosur only serves the people in the sense that Brazilians and Argentines can visit, work or move to each other countries.

    Jun 24th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Considering Argentina and Brazil have been suffering a net loss in migration for many years now, it doesn't even seem to do that so well.

    Jun 24th, 2013 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I love when politicians screech

    I think its funny.

    Jun 24th, 2013 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ernie4001

    PA wasn´t thought to erase Mercosur or anything like it, it was built to promote the inner trade between west coast of South Am and with the Asia pacific countries. Happens that this alliance has fresher ideas and less burocratic hurdles than Mercosur thats why is more succesful and most important; their partners believe and live “free trade”. But if there is a “mercosur orbit” country like Paraguay that already has realized where the future is, will be welcome to join us.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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