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‘Artigas never wanted to be Argentine; he was too smart for that’, a barrage of twits tell Cristina Fernandez

Thursday, June 27th 2013 - 05:31 UTC
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Never in his life did Artigas (Uruguay’s liberator from Spain and Portugal 200 years ago) wanted to be an Argentine, and since then all Uruguayans feel the same way, was the spirit of the barrage of twits from Uruguayan opposition leaders condemning President Cristina Fernandez interpretation of history events. Read full article

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  • Boovis

    Now, now Uruguay, you should know better to use facts against an Argie. They'l come back with either lies, fantasies, or just change the subject. Anything, in fact, but actually present any hard evidence themselves to argue their case.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    As another poster has described the Argentinians as “lying, thieving scamming Sicilian Porteños”, I can only add that they have by far better asados in Montevedo than across the river. Hint to the Argentine armed forces: do your invasion during the summer when the normal horde of Argentines arrive to Punta del Este. Instruct your soldiers wear Bernmuda shorts and Hawaiian shirts. They can hide their rifles in sun umbrellas... As for you that would say that that would be underhanded, sneaky and dirty... I would just remind you that's the Argentine character.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 06:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    “...a barrage of twits...”

    Love it!

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 07:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Porto Margaret

    The regime makes up argentine history as it suits. From the top KFC to the bottom Toni Lopez and the dopey traveling Timerman.

    No wonder that there are confused and upset argentine contributors to these forums with their muddled and contradictory accounts.

    Fortunately responsible and knowledgeable contributors correct them with the cold hard truth.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Careful Uraguay, jealous eyes are being cast upon you. A crazed quasi dictator has you in her sights.

    Twits - yes, I have often considered that, but twerps is more Anglo Saxon and appropriate.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ahab

    An Argentine government official mis-representing and lying about history?

    I never thought I would see the day.......no wait, that was today, and yesterday...and the day before.......and the day before.....and the day before......

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Well, well, well, Cristina. Seems like your “Homeland”, “Motherland”, “Vaterland” isn't as popular as you think. Perhaps it has a little, recently, to do with the dirty tricks you pull on your “brotherly” neighbour. Who remembers the pulp mill dispute, where argieland tried to stop its neighbour making improvements? Where it cited pollution of the river. Until it turned out that the pollution was coming from one of its own towns. Where it blatantly supported the illegal blocking of an international bridge. Where it no doubt cost Uruguay billions. What about the shameful instance where it refused to buy back its own currency, that Uruguay, in good faith, had exchanged for proper money? What about the channels in the River Plate that argieland, in breach of the relevant treaty, refuses to keep properly dredged to an adequate depth? For its own benefit and to the detriment of Uruguay. What about the re-gassification plant that was supposed to be a joint project? What about the way it drags Uruguay into things in pursuit of its own illegitimate, imperialist, colonialist ambitions? The Falkland Islands. Paraguay. What a pity “Pepe” isn't strong enough to say “Sod off”.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    I knew she would be going after Uruguay soon or later...she wants it back as it used to be a province of Ar...or so I am told.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    You just can't make this stuff up. The more the witch opens her mouth, the more she proves what a bigot and a hypocrite she is. Over time more people are starting to see through her and question her lies, half-truths and deceptions. I note she hasn't commented on the nuclear powered submarine Brazil is building with France. Nor when in 2008 the Kirov class nuclear missile cruiser Petr Velikiy visited Venezuelan. Lets be clear: This vessel is both nuclear powered and nuclear armed. So it's just our nuclear powered vessels she is scared of?

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    I wants it! It's mine preciousss.. Gollum, Gollum hisss.. do your stufff... I must have it... The corned beef mines are mine... The old man... Kill him... Suck his blood. Cos I wants it! I must have it...

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    10

    Yo ho ho, Captain Silver

    So, can we expect an imminent visit by Timerman to Uruguay, to “address” their government?

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livin_for_a_better_Uruguay

    @7 Conqueror, glad to have you on our side :)

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Ssssss.. Troy, Gollum (Timerman) is getting the black spot! I sent Blind Pugh on a mission... He's doomed!

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mr Ed

    When Argentina wanted Lebensraum in the 1970s, having gone as far south as it could, it tried it on with Chile in the Beagle Channel, the FACH stood firm and sense prevailed. The next bunch of expansionists tried it on with the Falklands, and the Royal Navy and brothers-in-arms had to stop them.

    If we let the blighters try it on, they will go for the Falklands first, then a bit of Chile and then they will go for Uruguay. Doubtless under some pretext there will be a punt at Paraguay.

    How about a pre-emptive strike by a quadruple alliance?

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    14 Skipper

    Arrrrr!!

    :-)

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    14 Mr Ed

    A better plan has been mooted.

    Chile to take back Patagonia in a militant strike.

    But a 'quadruple alliance? There would be a fight about who got the feathered hat.

    There are just about 3 million of us in Urguay (I was counted in the 2011 census) and 2000 Falklanders and not many are armed, including the UYU Army.

    I really do wish we could kick the arses of 'our cousins' as Pepe puts it, I would really love putting a 0.243 Win 95gn ballistic tipped boat-tail bullet straight into TMBOA nasal cavity, but we cannot. :o(

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Timerman:
    (Rushes into room)
    “Your Highness, Your Highness !!!
    There is an incoming barrage of twits!!”

    Botox Queen:
    (calmly)
    “ You know what to do, Timidman.
    Prepare to launch our own twits!”

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I kinda like that CFK is pissing everyone off. There will not be many helping-hands offered when she sinks but a lot of looking the other way.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Timerman:
    (enters Throne Room prostrating himself close to the exit door)
    “ your Highness... ”

    Botox Queen:
    (startled)
    “ Timerman! How dare you come in here, I'm still putting my face on!!”
    (angry glare, smell of brimstone in room)

    Timerman:
    ( cringing, quiet voice )
    “ Apologies, Highness.
    My Ministry tells me our Twit counter strike has failed”

    Queen:
    “Failed???!!!”
    (eyes shoot flame)

    T-man:
    (cowers some more)
    “They were completely paralysed at first... ”

    Queen:
    “Then what happened?”

    T-man:
    “They recovered their senses after the laughter subsided”

    Queen:
    (jumps up, shouting loudly, points at the Campora Courtiers)
    “Prepare the M-Ray!!!
    We will turn their minds to mush. The drooling idiots, we will control their every thought!! Ah-ja ja ja ja ja ja... !!!”
    (Imperiously)
    “ Go forth, my Minions!!”

    (Timerman slithers out backwards, with Courtiers, tugging his forehead where a forelock would be)

    Queen:
    ( quietly to Prince Max)
    “ I'm not sure I can control this population like the last - prepare my escape er, Private Jet”

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Now, now Uruguay, don’t go arguing with her version of history.

    Dispute the “Gospel according to CFK” (we have an Argy Pope remember) unthinkable.

    Remember you are on the Argy side of the line according to the treaty of Tordisilla.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Artigas wanted to be Argentine as little as he was Uruguayan. He was a federalist that fought for the unification of the provinces. He led the Liga Federal, consisting of Banda Oriental (Uruguay today), Entre Rios, Córdoba, Corrientes and Misiones until the Portuguese (later Brazilians) invaded la Banda Oriental. He was then abandoned by Buenos Aires and more important, by his men-at-arm. 1820 he left for Paraguay, never to return again. Uruguay was declared independent in 1825, and again 1828, not 1830. Artigas never had any intention to make Uruguay independent, his dream was la Patria Grande.
    If you visit the Northern Argentine provinces, you'll find Artigas' banner all over the place (the diagonal red lash), so Artigas unites us Rioplatenses when MP tries to divide us...

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Artigas wrote his will during September of 1850, just a month after José de San Martín, and he led his will with the phrase: “I, Jose Gervasio Artigas, argentine born from the Eastern Band.” But most likely he was referring to his origins in the River Plate.

    His life was indeed was marked by his closed cultural, political and military relationship with several provinces that are now part of Argentina. Some of these provinces, Entre Rios, Misiones, Corrientes, etc., had more fluid and close political relationships with Uruguay than with Buenos Aires.

    Sadly his destination was, the same as many Argentine heroes and warlords, the exile in his case in Paraguay (like Faustino Sarmiento).

    Anyway, CFK phrase is totally out of place and only feeds the proud and boastful reputation we Argentines have. Having a big mouth and talking a lot are not good characteristics for a head of state.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    pgerman
    Wasn't San Martin Correntino as well?
    I don't think Cristina was out of place, although she could have twisted it differently and used Artigas to unite us instead of referring to la Madre Patria as Argentina.

    That would be a fun discussion, what should she be called, la Patria Grande? Surely not after that Italian, let the yanquis have him.
    Argentina has a good cause, solid name. Silver. But destined to be the runner-up.
    Uruguay - Guaraní for Urugua Y, the river of birds. Actually the country has no name, it's the Republic Eastern to (the river) Uruguay, the border between the two rioplatense nations.
    Paraguay - Guaraní for Para Gua Y, the river that leads to the sea, also named after a river.

    As for Chile, Brazil and the rest, I will most surely look it up...

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Yes, he was.

    I thought that Easter, in this case, came in part for the masonic concept of the Easter taking into account the famous “33 eastern men” that we know were more than 33...

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    When did the truth ever get in the way of argentine history book of truths?

    Come on chaps, if CFK says it is true, then to 40 million Argies, it must then be true..

    Perhaps she thinks Brazil of Chile wanted to be argentine territory as well..

    And no doubt all the argie bloggers on here will agree.
    mmm

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    pgerman
    No, the phrase is “Orientales”.
    Think of the Orient, but in this case it's the oriental, or eastern, province, Banda Oriental.
    The 33 Orientales are the ones who liberated Uruguay, and Artigas was not amongst them. Many of his men-at-arms where though, amongst them Lavalleja.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fred

    Uruguay has a beautiful history and I am thinking about how great Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata would be nowadays.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Well Fred, Argentina IS the united provinces of Rio de la plata, what ceased to exist was Artigas' Liga Federal, a union of Corrientes, Banda Oriental, Misones, Entre Rios and what was then Misiones in nowadays Brazil.
    Those provinces declared themselves independent from any foreign nation, emphasing on the will to form a federal union. This happened around 1810, I think it was.
    As for the British link, well, Britain had just tried to invade Buenos Aires twice, taking Montevideo in their second attempt. After the British were beaten in Buenos Aires, the British officer renounced Montevideo in all haste, something he wasv dishonoured for back in London.
    A strange curiousity is that the Portuguese invaded Banda Oriental after the formation of the Liga Federal. The Portuguege, Britains only friends in Europe in the times of Napoleon.
    After the 33 Orientales freed Banda Oriental from the then Brazilians, England played it's part in assuring there would be no federal union as in the North, and the Northern provinces joined what would later become Argentina.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fred

    @ 28 Stevie: So, my thought would be how Liga Federal would be nowadays.

    Jun 27th, 2013 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Fred
    The idea was to form a federal state. Had he succeeded, you'd see Argentina and Uruguay in a federal union with Uruguay being called Provincia Oriental and the Argentine provinces would most probably be the same. The Paraguayan link is strong too and especially the Guaraní, so who knows what could have been. Major forces fought for the creation of many nations, dividing us instead.
    But her name is still whispered, la Madre Patria, she without a name.

    Although Cristina referred to her as Argentina...

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mr Ed

    @ 16, steady on. The quadruple alliance's first strike plan would be to sit back and watch as time, their first weapon, rusts away the remainder of the Argentine Navy. Then the Air Force is grounded by decay, and their Army has to cope with food riots. Perhaps hunger will restore sanity to Argentine political life.

    And I shall have a nice glass of Uruguayan red, Alto de la Ballena.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Stevie,
    “Major forces fought for the creation of many nations, dividing us instead.”

    We were never divided because we were never united. Geography, history and ethnicity has always maintained up apart. Creating a larger nation just for the sake of being bigger is not desirable.

    As for the origin of the name “Chile”... it is lost in the camanchaca of time. The Spanish first heard it from the Incas. When the first Spanish expedition in to Chile arrived back in Peru, demoralised, physically and financially broken, they were dubbed “los rotos de Chile”.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    31
    As the food riots erupt, the Argentine people's anger and desperate acts will be redirected towards those closest at hand - namely their wine-sipping, “criminally well-fed” neighbours tantslisingly visible just to the North.

    I'm not sure what would be achieved, but I would sure hate to have several million desperately-hungry people across the river from me.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Rumor is IF there is bread on the shelves you are there are restricted purchases.
    Most likely is there is bare shelves

    No bread, flour or oil

    I wonder if any of our Rg posters heeded by advice and stocked up over the last year...
    probably not

    and they are capped at raising the property taxes in BA to ONLY 40% thi year!!
    Bahahaha

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (30) Stevie…….

    ….... Condorito's response to you at (32) is a typical example of those “Major forces that fought for the creation of many nations, dividing us instead.”

    He says...:
    “Creating a larger nation just for the sake of being bigger is not desirable.”
    I say...:
    Creating a larger nation just for the sake of being bigger is not desirable for the “major forces” fighting to divide us........

    Furtermore he says....:
    ”.............we were never united. Geography, history and ethnicity has always maintained up apart.”
    I say...:
    1) Here speaks a person that knows preciously little about the geography, history and ethnicity of the República Oriental del Uruguay & the Argentinean Mesopotamic provinces................
    2) Here speaks a person that knows preciously little about the geography, history and ethnicity of Chile and the Cuyo Provinces................
    3) Here speaks a person that knows preciously little about the geography, history and ethnicity of the Chilean and Argentinean Patagonian Provinces………….....

    I say...:
    A) I have had quite a few ”mates dulces” with ”Yoruguan mates”….............. I know....
    B) I spend many childhood summers at the Estancia Cuyana where the Realist Capitán General de Chile, Don Francisco Casimiro Marcó del Pont was held prisioner and died……….............…. I know……
    C) I live in Patagonia………… I know......

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Looks like the bank took the 'Hold' off of CFK's cheque,
    Señor Thinkedover of Patagonia is back.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Think,

    You know nothing about history of your own country and region.
    You just know how to repeat like a parrot the “revisionist tales”.

    You know nothing about the present situation of your own country and region. You just know how to repeat like a parrot the “kirchnerista relato”.

    I really doubt very mutch that you live in Patagonia, I believe you are just a youth wasting your time in this site writing delusions trying to convince adults you know lot of things.

    Go back to your Campora Unidad Basica !!!
    You know nothing !!!

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    Pgerman - its easy to sot when Think is wrong:

    1) he attacks the person, not the message
    2) he posts

    very interesting reading the too and fro about this from the “locals”, shame Stinko turned up to spoil it all.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @35 Think
    I say...:
    Creating a larger nation just for the sake of being bigger is not desirable for the “major forces” fighting to divide us........

    So, if Argentina and Uruguay merged into one nation, this would “inhibit” the major forces fighting to divide Argentina and Uruguay AND,

    This merger would have noticeable economic benefits to Uruguay, right?

    The 23 Argentinian provinces and Buenos Aires would not dominate the 1 Uruguayan province?

    Would the merged nation, more resistant to outside forces, use a new common currency?

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @39

    Think made reference to the “revisionista” theory that Argentina was divided by two international forces: the freemasons who are referred by this trend as “liberales” and the British Empire who worked together to divide Uruguay from Argentina and Paraguay from Argentina.

    In fact by the “revisionistas”, the freemasons were almost the very same thing as the UK. That's the reason why they hate the first Argentine democratic presidents, as Mitre, Sarmiento, Avellaneda and J.A. Roca.

    In addition, they blame both, Masonry and the UK, for the Triple Alianza War that joint Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina against the thyrany of Paraguay. The historical facts showed just the opposite.

    Now, in the current times, the blame the IMF, USA, the capitalism and the freemasons as well for al the disasters and failures of the Argentine governments.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Think,
    “Here speaks a person that knows preciously little about the geography” – at least you introduced yourself correctly.

    Last time I checked the second highest mountain range in the world separated our nations.

    The fact that our history is intertwined does not preclude it from separating up. We were different before the Spanish arrived and we are different now. The Spanish empire lost more men fighting in southern Chile than they lost in every battle in every region of Latin America combined. Much of our identity and ethnicity was formed during those centuries of fighting. An identity that is worlds apart from that of Italian bakers and cobblers.

    The national identity and unity of a people is not formed by the maneuvering of the elite as they “fight” for the crown, the republic or the federation. National identity is formed by the trials and tribulations of the populace (the people can’t just run off to exile and cry like Artigas and many others when things go wrong).

    The “major forces” that divide us are us.
    Enjoy your pan American dreams and your “pan popular”.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Condorito…

    You say….:
    ”Last time I checked the second highest mountain range in the world separated our nations.”

    NOT in Patagonia, I say….:
    Some of our ”Official International Border Crossings in Patagonia”….

    X REGION……..:
    Paso Huahum - Height 635 m.
    Paso Río Manso - Height 480 m.
    Paso Río Puelo - Height 220 m.
    Paso Futaleufú - Height 335 m.
    Paso Río Encuentro - Height 250 m.

    XI REGION….:
    Paso Lago Verde - Height 515 m.
    Paso Apeleg - Height 925 m.
    Paso Puesto Viejo- Height 865 m.
    Paso Coihaique - Height 795 m.
    Paso Triana - Height 750 m.
    Paso Huemules - Height 500 m.
    Paso Pallavicini - Height 470 m.
    Paso Río Jeinemeni - Height 255 m.
    Paso Roballos - Height 715 m.
    Paso Río Mayer - Height 450 m.
    Paso Río Mosco - Height 270 m.
    Paso Lago O'Higgins-San Martín - Height 250 m.

    XII REGION…:
    Paso Río Don Guillermo - Height 260 m.
    Paso Dorotea - Height 605 m.
    Paso Casas Viejas - Height 240 m.
    Paso Integración Austral - Height 165 m.
    Paso Puerto Williams - Puerto Almanza (Canal Beagle)
    Height 0 m.

    And……I’m not counting the hundred unofficial ones on feet, horse or boat….
    Please inform yourself!

    PS:
    Greetings from the more that 250.000 Chilean “populace” that used the above mentioned border crossings into Argentina, escaping from the Chilean “trials and tribulations” during the best part of the last century.....

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Argentina has: 41 million people
    Chile has: 17 million
    Uruguay has: 3 million

    Who is going to be winning the elections in this “unified” democracy?

    Can you see why unification seems like a good idea to Argentines.

    “Our sovereignty! Our sovereignty!” AND “You should just become a part of us”

    The Pacific Alliance and Mercosur are also “mergers” that have the ability to counter major “gringo” forces.

    U.S. = 316 million people
    Argentina = 41 million people

    Maybe Argentina should merge with the U.S.? Does that sound good too? If you don't like the U.S., this is a good idea.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    42 Think,
    I said:
    ”Last time I checked the second highest mountain range in the world separated our nations.”

    You say:
    “NOT in Patagonia”

    So you are saying:

    a) The Andes is not the second highest mountain range in the world.
    b) The Andes does not delimit our nations in Patagonia.
    c) Or both (a) and (b)

    Argie geography is more fanciful than I had thought.

    PS: The “Chilean” population have been inhabiting your vicinity for far longer than the Argentine colonists. If they declare themselves to be Chilean it is because they have affinity with the people of Chile, not the bakers and cobblers.

    43 bushpilot
    Were we ever to hold a referendum on forming a sovereign union with Argentina (or any other neighbor), the results would be similar to the FI referendum.

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Steveu

    @42 Wikipedia is wonderful isn't it? ;-)

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Condorito

    Thinkedover handily slapped down !!

    :-D

    Jun 28th, 2013 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (44) Dear Picunche Condorito

    1) Is ”semantic ´trickery” you only resource?
    What I’m clearly saying and demonstrating at my post (42) is that the mountains do NOT separate us in Patagonia…
    The only things “separating” us are the Carabineros and Gendarmeria posts at the border…..

    2) The vast majority of the Chileans ”inhabiting my vicinity” as you put it, arrived AFTER Pinochet coup in 1973.

    3) Nobody is speaking here about any form of ”National Fusion”….. Too late for that.
    The dream is a Social, Economical and Political cooperation that allows our respective Nations to develop in unison…..

    4) The problem is not the above mentioned cooperative dream, Mr. Condorito............... The problem is the mediocrity of the people that administer it…..

    PS:
    In Puelmapú we have a term for your kind, Mr. Condorito……..…: “Curruhuinca”

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I'm with Think on this discussion. It's indeed too late for federalism and unification was never an option. Social and economical inclusion is the only was forward.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    “Social, Economical and Political cooperation that allows our respective Nations to develop in unison…..”

    I heard Uruguay often got the shit end of the stick when they engaged in “co-operation” with Argentina. Is that accurate?

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Wat always clues me into Think not living in Argentina is that his posts don't jive with my experiences.
    Absolutely every single Chileno I have ever met hates Argentinians and the reverse is the same also.
    Chilenos think Rgs are lying thieving thugs not to be trusted with anything.
    and I agree.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    “You should loan me some money”
    “No, no, I'm sorry I have had some bad experiences with that in the past.”
    “You should really loan me some money”
    “Like I said, I've had some bad experiences with that and so have other people so I really shouldn't
    loan you money”
    “Why are you being such a mediocre thinker and a “Curruhuinca”?!!
    ”OK, OK, I'll loan you the money“
    ”I told you “co-operation” was better!“
    ”Sooooooo, can you pay me back my money now?“
    ”NO, you are violating my sovereignty.”

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Question...:
    What's the best compliment one can recieve from a Yank cokehead & paranoid cityslicker ?

    Answer...:
    That ones posts don't jive with his “experiences”.........

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    A debater commits the Ad Hominem Fallacy when he introduces irrelevant personal premisses about his opponent. Such red herrings may successfully distract the opponent or the audience from the topic of the debate.

    At least I've lived in Argentina in the last 50 yrs.

    That is why you can't stand when someone with actual experience refutes your statements and you attack.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Some Yank Cokehead Paranoid Cityslicker tries to make it sound as if “Living in Argentina” was a kind of “Unachievable Feat”.

    I can assure anybody reading these lines that it is quite an integral part of being Argentinean ;-)

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Lots of people live in horrible places.
    I am glad I don't

    As they say “been there done that”

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Think,Stevie

    Think
    ”3) Nobody is speaking here about any form of ”National Fusion”….. Too late for that.
    The dream is a Social, Economical and Political cooperation that allows our respective Nations to develop in unison…..“

    What does ”develop in unison“ mean??

    Stevie
    ”I'm with Think on this discussion. It's indeed too late for federalism and unification was never an option. Social and economical inclusion is the only was forward.“

    Really what you are saying, as Argentinians, ”Stevie”, is that you fcuked up your own country so badly that now you want your more successful neighbours to pool their resources with you, to re-float Argentina.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @16 Despite having “deserted” your country, don't you have an element of Britishness left? There is no such word as “can't”. Back in 1982, the argies reckoned that Britain “can't” take the Falklands back. The US Navy agreed. Although they made their own assessment. Forgot to take into account being “British”. Ability, capability, courage, damned, stubborn cussedness. “Can't” is a concept that a REAL British person doesn't understand.
    @28 Shame how the missions to Buenos Aires were a couple of minor raids on Spanish “possessions” in South America as part of the Anglo-Spanish War of 1796-1808. Just a couple of relatively unimportant peripheral actions. Just look at that. “unimportant peripheral” more or less describes argieland. Guess what? Still won the war!
    @35 What a wanker!!!
    @42 Guess what Twinky. 20 miles of ocean divide Britain from France. Twink about it. Overall, Britain is successful, whilst France is shit. Bottom line. This is the difference between argieland and Britain. Argieland, like France, Spain and Italy, has no courage, no honesty, no integrity. Like lists, do you?
    Here's a list:
    1982: argies
    649 killed
    1,657 wounded
    11,313 taken prisoner

    British
    255 killed
    775 wounded
    115 taken prisoner

    Get it? 11,313 cowards!
    @47 So, being incapable of stealing Chilean territory, as you planned to do in 1982, by military force, you resort to semantic “trickery”. Is there any likelihood that you can achieve integrity? Assuming that you ever return to YOUR country. Instead of sponging off others.
    @48 Of course you are. Same sort of useless wanker.
    @54 Oh, no. It's achievable. As you, living in Northern Europe, prove. “Living” in argieland is for those that can't get out. Or are too stupid.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    56 Troy Tempest

    Stevie’s stated aim is for all the countries of SA to come together in unison and be one big happy family.

    We can picture the result:
    Dilma, the unfortunate woman who sounds like an embalmed Ruskie (never heard her speak before yesterday – she desperately needs a dialogue coach) trying, as the leader of a ‘Big-boy country’ to boss everybody else but Portuguese is a minority language,
    TMBOA trying to scream above the noise to make herself number one,
    Correa showing his ‘statesmanlike’ prescience to lead the pack while Chile gets on and does it, invading The Dark Country to make them even closer.

    You have to laugh.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    58 Chris

    Now that there is new material, I wish they would bring back that television show, Spittin' Images.

    :-)

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Chris
    In unison? I'm no unitarian, old man. Social and economic inclusion all across Latin America is fine by me. Turn the clock back some 200 years and I would've been federalist, still no unitarian...

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Nobody is going to help Argentina this time., not the USA, Not Brazil, Not the IMF, Not the Paris Club and not Venezuela.
    Everyone who has bailed them out in the past is no longer interested

    I can't wait to see what happens when the last of the cash runs out at BCRA and they can't afford fuel any longer.
    It will be fun to watch.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    It is all Pepe's fault, he shouldn't have said that Uruguay can't think what to do with the enormous number of dollars coming into its economy!!!!!

    That was like showing a red cape to a bull, all CFK could see was $$$$$$$$$, so of course she wnts to take over Uruguay!!!!!!!

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @60
    “Social and economic inclusion all across Latin America is fine by me.”

    Argentina has 24% inflation and Venezuela doesn't have toilet paper. Is that what would be fine by you all across SA?

    Total liars talking from a mindset that has “zero” connection to reality.

    The safest path is to stay as far away as possible from these lying destroyers.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Commies always seem to think if you take from someone else it makes everyone richer instead of everyone poorer.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @64
    Funny how Commie leaders go around in big cars, live in big houses and never seem to go hungry, or short of money.

    Solidarity with the workers/people?

    I have some admiration for Pepe in this regard, regarding his lifestyle and his ability not to sponge of Uruguay (unless this is just a stunt) but most leaders take from others to make themselves richer rather than help the poor. ie Mugabe, CFK the North Korean geezer, et al.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    57 Conqueror

    Oh dear! More abuse from the frustrated Customs Officer. When you mature, and I hope you do eventually make it before you die, you will learn that it is NEVER black and white.

    But I am stopping now because it is clear to me you have lost it.

    60 Stevie

    Yes, it must be my fault an Englishman using English properly. Unison does not suggest integration of governments though that would be a fight and a half to witness.

    BTW being an 'old' man does not mean I am senile or stupid, as you know, so please stop making yourself look foolish.

    62 Simon68

    You, my friend, have it spot on as usual! :o)

    64 yankeeboy

    Yes, that would be economic inclusion at work: give me your money and I will spend it! :o)

    Sometimes, I look out of the floor to ceiling windows in my lounge overlooking the sea and wonder how did the opportunities of SA get by them? It can only be because of the history of in-fighting between countries and between the citizens of the same country throughout the centuries that still continues to this day.

    Such a shame, I am glad I live in Uruguay and nowhere else. I have never met someone like Stevie in the flesh (that might be because they all live abroad like him) and I suspect I never will.

    If only people of his intelligence actually went to Argentina and DID something for the country, apart from the stupid windmills, things might get better, but he might be murdered being Argentina.

    That would be inclusion according to TMBOA.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC.......

    A selection of today’s (29/06/13) economic news from “Ambito Financiero”, the leading (opposition) Economics Publication in Argentina……..
    Just for MercoPress’s “Economy Doomsday Prophets “…..
    Enjoy……:

    Inter-Annual construction activity up 7.7% in May.
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177

    Inter-Annual public services utilization up 9,1% in May .
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177

    Inter-Annual economic growth of 7% in April.
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177

    Inter-Annual Super Markets sales up 19% in May.
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177

    Inter-Annual Shopping centers sales up 27% in May.
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177

    Inter-Annual State surplus up 36% in May .
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177

    Black Market dollar down 25% since May.
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177
    (My unqualified guess is a further 10% fall within the next month)

    Inflation 289% during the last 7 years. (21% annual)
    http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=695177
    (Please compare with the increase of 1,400% in the minimum salary during the 10 years of the Kirchner administration)
    (Please compare with the increase of 1,500% in the minimum pension during the 10 years of the Kirchner administration)
    And the Turnips still wonder why the working class votes for the Kirchner administration!

    Chuckle chuckle©

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • screenname

    @67 Think:

    Nice to see you still using this account.

    In the event I am considered one of the Turnips, can I just say I have never wondered why the working class (or anyone else) votes for CFK...I am just glad they do.

    Chuckle Chuckle

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JamesS

    In recent news

    CFK calls to 'win another decade to overcome 50 years of backwardness'

    Does that included the won decade lol .. what a embarrassment !!

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @67 I Don't Think aka The Suicide In Waiting

    Let's not waste our time refuting each and every line, I will just start with the first because it sets the tone for the usual crap you post.

    Construction up 7.7% in May. Mmm so that means it is only down 92.3% from before TMBOA made it impossible to use the dollar.

    Don't treat us like the stupid harpie treats her citizens, percentages can mislead without giving the base against which they are set.

    Stupid, stupid, Swede.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The funny thing about this supposed growth is that over 50% of the population makes less than $3600 Peso/mo yet it takes $3750 to eat healthy.
    Hmm
    Is that better or just bigger numbers because the peso is 10/1?

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    DESPITE SOME REACTIONARY PEOPLE.
    C. f. k's intepretation is as arguable as any other, it's expectable that many people are going to agree or not on what she thinks, however contrary opinions don't justify the lack of respect. I have never considered the uruguayans or any other people in the world like less intelligent than others, as it was expressed by one of the politicians from an oponent politic party from uruguay, when he said that artigas was too smart to be argentine. If there is not any respect, then it's imposible to discuss about anything, it should be understood also by many of the reactionary people who often publish their opinions in this forum, who just insult without proposing anything, or making a too partial analysis.
    On the other hand, it's really despisable to see some of those representants from oponent politic parties, criticising a historic intepretation made by c. f. k., like if they were strong defensors of the sovereignty of their country, when actually they have always been pro imperalism and free market, and became the urugay into one more u. s. a's backyard.
    Uruguay is a great nation, like argentina and like all the rest of the countries, that's why people don't deserve that kind of representants. President mujica not only is a good president, he's a great man too, and despite that anybody can agree or not on his ideas, but nobody can deny that he's making all he can, in order to improve the life standar of the uruguayans.

    Jun 29th, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    72axel

    “President mujica not only is a good president, he's a great man too, and despite that anybody can agree or not on his ideas, but nobody can deny that he's making all he can, in order to improve the life standar of the uruguayans.”

    You probably will not get much disagreement regarding Mujica.

    However, the Opposition are free to disrespect CFK and the Argie politicians as they do not officially respond for Uruguay.

    CFK deserves no respect - she's NOT speaking out of 'brotherly' love for Argentina's neighbours.
    She's trying one on - a ploy.
    She has fcuked her own economy - now she wants Uruguay's resources for Argentina, Chile's too, if possible - Argentina outnumbers both of them.

    Argentina deserves no respect - they are only deceitful and disrespectful towards others.

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gordo1

    http://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/2013/06/29/nota/1092981/cristina-fernandez-pide-argentinos-10-anos-mas-gobierno

    Watch out, everybody! Ten more years of la Kretina!

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Axel
    Those Uruguayans that are airing their views in public are Colorados mainly and some Blancos. Together they represent the whole Uruguayan opposition.
    If last election is something to go after, those 3 lot are the entire opposition. 1 Colorado, 1 blanco and a rosadito. Those three should really do something more productive than, yet Again, prove why they shouldn't be voted.
    Like preparing for the elections 2019...

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    So, it is only 3 Uruguayans, that are critical of CFK's statements and question the historical bonds with their neighbor Argentina.

    The majority of Uruguayans feel a strong affinity and unity with the country of Argentina. Do I understand this correctly now?

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    75 Stevie

    How many people do those 3 represent?

    They would not be trying to appeal to people by voicing an UNpopular sentiment, c'mon!!

    Many, if not most, of Mujica's followers will be opposed to Argentina's proposed dominating “unity” - those are the very people the Opposition are reaching out to, as better representing them.

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    76 bushpilot

    Stevie makes many statements that Uyuguayo say this, that and the other: I have NEVER heard him supported by the people I know.

    Now I will admit that the people I know are business owners or retired people of a number of nationalities AND a number of teachers at senior school. It is more than thirty people now, you would imagine somebody would agree with him?

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    ChrisR

    Those people sound like they must be educated.

    The educated people of Argentina, they distrust the Government of Argentina, too.

    Stevie, an Argentinian, makes it up as he goes along.

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    67 Money looses value with this gov of this woman.
    And Ambito was (in the past) opposite to the gov, not now.

    Jun 30th, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mastershake

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d4612bf8-e194-11e2-b796-00144feabdc0.html
    LOL!

    Jul 01st, 2013 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    The very fact that this “news” was merely a sidenote in Uruguyan media, proves my point....

    MP always treies to make a hen of a feather :)

    Jul 01st, 2013 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Joe Bloggs

    82
    Another good recent example of that is the story that the Argentine propaganda unit fed MP about the Irish Government's support for the Malvinas. I don't think MP are willingly one-sided. They are simply not a news organisation with any journalistic input of their own.

    Jul 01st, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (83) Joe Bloggs
    You squatters finance them and you call them “non willingly one-sided”?
    Get serious Kelper!

    Jul 01st, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    84thinkedover

    “You squatters finance them and you call them “non willingly one-sided”?
    Get serious Kelper!”

    You Propagandists feed them stories and information, then complain they MP doesn't report the way you want!!
    Get real, Troll.

    Jul 01st, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    @71 yankeeboy good analysis

    Jul 01st, 2013 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Looks like the Patacones I told everyone were come have arrived under a new name CEDIN.
    “The deliberate intention of the government is for the Cedin to trade like a quasi-currency,” Hernan Lacunza, a former general manager of the central bank who runs research firm Empiria, said by telephone from Buenos Aires. “People will probably go running to exchange them for dollars as soon as they can so the effect on reserves will be ephemeral.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/give-us-your-real-dollars-for-our-fake-dollars-argentina-credit.html

    If the people who are dumb enough to buy these think they'll get U$ back when they're due they deserve everything that is coming to them.

    Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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