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Timerman warns about South Atlantic nuclear threat
Argentine Foreign Minister Hector Timerman ratified his government’s “commitment with nuclear safety” and warned about the continued dangers of “militarization in the South Atlantic Ocean.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesKeep the pressure Hector!
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi is among the greatest warriors of all time . Sun Tzu said, “Attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.” Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
Yesterday
“Johannesburg: US President Barack Obama today donned a teacher's hat to tell his two young daughters how Mahatma Gandhi's 'Satyagraha' had influenced American civil rights leader Martin Luther King to fight injustice”
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/barack-obama-educates-daughters-on-mahatma-gandhi-s-satyagraha-386129
The injustice however is Argentina trying to steal land that does not belong to them.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0People are right to defend themselves against thieves.
@1 pressure wake up fool, you don't know now and will never know where our, or for that fact anyone elses nuclear submarines are or what weapons they are armed with
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0beautifully marcos like....yawwwnnnnnnnnn.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you are intending to put Timmerman and the Botox army in the same cat. as M Ghandi, then there is something seriously wrong with your brain.
3 Really?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dumb British Submarine Stuck In Mud”
http://wonkette.com/427479/dumb-british-submarine-stuck-in-mud
I would be more worried about the standard of construction and upkeep of the RG's Atomic plants, which Greenpeace also seem to have forgotten?. Than the Navy's Submarines floating around the oceans?.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is the native Americans that are the oppressed population in Argentina. Ghandi's struggle is applicable to them.
Your head is unfortunately full of shit.
Yawn!
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK military is there for only one country = Argentina. Blaming the UK for garrisoning military in the Falkland Islands is akin to blaming the rape victim.
As for nuclear safety. Well Australia learnt the hard way about how reliable and safe an Argentine nuclear reactor is.
Typical deflection.
Bring 0n the sycophants and sock puppets please!
@5 at least she made it to sea and didn't roll over alongside the wall, and is still at sea (3 years after your inane little attachment was printed), and performing very nicely after her initial teething problems, what's your Navy's excuse?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 09
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0She made it to the sea alright lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Regw-AhXI
So, any bets as to when Timerman will come out with requests to America, Russia, France and Brazil regarding the deployment of their nuclear powered/armed subs sailing around in the South Atlantic?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hi Jimlad-
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0His quote concerned “ non-regional actors ” having nuclear devices.
If it is “ regional actors ” having nuclear devices, he has no problem. That is unless they are used against him, and he gets fried.
Well Mr Timidman, what any country does in international waters is no business of anyone, is it?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for nuclear submarines patrolling the South Atlantic, well it's the right of any country with those submarines to do so.
Poor Argentina, now so desperate that they are making even bigger fools of themselves.
Perhaps the UK should take them to the Law of the Sea Tribunal, and accuse them of attempting to block free passage in international waters. It would be fun to watch Argentina squirm and squeal under the scrutiny.
As for the UK's submarines, well if we want to sail one continuously up and down the coast of Argentina, we have the right to do it, as long as we are past the 12 mile limit.
Of course we would never do that, it's the uncertainty of not knowing whether there is a submarine in the area or not, that really freaks out the Argentinians.
Also, we should remind Mr Timidman and the mad harpy he works for, that if the UK really wanted to 'nuke' Argentina then we can do it from London with our feet up and sipping a cup of tea.
We've had a quiet spell for a week or so after the C24, it's written into the constitution, thou shalt have a go at the British every week and a half.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It will be met with the usual dignified silence and British reserve.
Lol @ Marcus considering this a victory! Bwhahaha.....
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0He didn't even have the nerve to name us.
I see we are back to desperately seeking the location of British submarines, presumably because a single British submarine is more powerful than the entire Argentine navy combined!
We are so dominate in this field we simply ignore the Argentine military because its a joke. You don't have the technology to detect or fight our stunningly brilliant Submarines and as such they could very literally park off your coast indefinitely without detection not that they need too since if they wanted to attack they could do it from their home ports in the UK given their incredible range.
True dominance is the real victory in this context Marcos.
One story in three days ,quiet time in Argentina?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0or everyone at MercoPress on holiday?
Lets face it, Timermans recycled rantings barely even merit a story anymore.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Mr Timerman!
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now shall we all get back to the real reason why we are all here.
North Korea and Iran.
Yhe man never disappoints.
Surely Tinhead is referring to the Nuclear powered and Nuclear Armed Petr Velikiy Kirov-class battlecruiser which arrived in La Guaira, Venezuela on November 25, 2008 and took part in a combined exercise VENRUS-200 with the Venezuelan Navy on December 1–2, 2008. She then sailed on to Cape Town. So spent a significant time in the South Atlantic. She is armed with a number of weapons including TWENTY P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) Missiles each with a yield of 0.5 MEGATONS.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 19 zathras
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are 'friendly' so they are OK.
The RG's are the only nation that 'know' what a nuclear powered 'hunter killer' can do, excluding of course, perhaps the Russian with the Kursk. This makes them really nervous.
Does this man ever “not” feel like a fool? A child among men. They surely laughed internally when he left the podium, them moved onto real issues.....like Iran and North Korea, Tinmans mentors.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0#1 if you are comparing Ghandi to your stupid ass faced leader, you are a bigger idiot each day you post. The people of the Falklands govern themselves and freely chose to associate themselves with Britain. Perhaps you RG's are just jealous that they control their own destiny and you do not.
I think the man has a point.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I propose that we should regularly notify them about the presence of our SSN's in the South Atlantic.
How about once a week? That should do very nicely.
@22
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0More than that - the M.O.D are presently working in the 'Nuke Sub Finder' App, to be released shortly.
In the meantine, to assuage Argies concerns they have implemented a novel temporary solution.
http://clip2net.com/s/5k5fih
5 Marcos Alejandro (#)Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:32 am Report abuse3 Really?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dumb British Submarine Stuck In Mud”
Hey, It happened. A mistake was made and we quickly rectified the matter, got the boat re-floated and put it out to deployment.
In comparison what has happened to the Argentine Naval Ship which has sunk / listed while in port... Has it been resolved, has anyone been disciplined for the fiasco....?
Coming back to the Article I have to laugh at Tin Pot's constant rhetoric here. Clearly he is trying to indicate the UK is at fault without saying it. But doesn't highlight the other subs etc out there with nuke capability and propulsion belonging to the USA, China, Russia etc.
The UK made the mistake in 1982 and learned a valuable lesson. As a result we have positioned ourselves to defend both verbally (by appointing a local government in the Falkland's who have the patience of a saint with an overbearing and bullying neighbour) and physically with a small but robust military presence on an island which forms part of the British overseas territory.
One day Tin Pot, Chicken Neck and the rest of the elected corrupt government of Argentina will realise this. Until then they can keep on with this their sabre-rattling and oppression of their good citizens.
Trucne.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, a SSN pinky!
The RN obviously learning from the SAS.
That would be the RN desert camouflage, our subs can go anywhere you know.
#5
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can report from personal experience that HMS Astute is alive and well. I photographed her on 19 May coming through the Rhu narrows heading for her base at Faslane.
To the Argentine navy I would say - with apologies to Shelley -“look on my works ye mighty and despair ”
Marcos Alejandro,any comments from you on your Brazilean friends giving you the two fingers?????.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/03/04/Brazils-submarine-project-well-on-way/UPI-76321362436162/
@ 20 Biguggy Oh yes it is a very thinly veiled reference to the RN. But remember this is a regime that seem to think a decolonization committee has any influence on sovereignty. Two completely unrelated issues. The C24 have no mandate to discuss sovereignty. Yet time after time that's what they do. You can see that Ban Ki-moon has realized this farce is making the UN look seriously stupid. Just wondering, can the FA legislature ask the UN to be removed from the C24 list?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets us never forget
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTNA ALWAYS THE VICTIM
My Arse
What a boring ignorant liar he is!
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Intersting...
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#1:
“From the standpoint of Sun Tzu’s philosophy of war, the Mahatma Ghandi is among the greatest warriors of all time . Sun Tzu said, “Attaining one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the pinnacle of excellence. Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.” Gandhi defeated the most powerful empire on Earth, the British Empire, without firing a single bullet, and he was the pinnacle of excellence”
Timmerman sometime ago said something along the lines of:
“If it wasn't for the British garrison, we'd have taken back the Falklands already.”
It seems to me that it's the UK who has followed Sun Tzu and Ghandi by subjugating the enemy army without firing a shot, and not Argentina, who are left whining on the sidelines in the face of their own impotence and incompetence.
And Marcos, I would suggest you read more of Sun Tzu. His main philosophies are to never fight a battle that a) is on your enemy's chosen field, and b) you cannot win...
... where the Falklands are concerned, Argentina has failed on both counts.
@1 I have to say that, on this occasion, I am minded to agree with the only part of “your” comment that “you” wrote. Having given the matter serious thought, and reflecting on the issues, I've realised that it is quite inappropriate for Hector to use the suffix “man” with his name. So now let's consider the issue of what Tinboy said. And it's there that I agree. There must be considerable pressure on him to keep looking and sounding like an arse every time he opens his mouth. He can, realistically, be looked on as a comedy break. That bit about argieland being a “peace-loving” country is classic. Not only was its most recent notable action starting a war, but it actually planned to start another one right afterwards. AND it's conducting an economic one right now! However, the subject is submarines. The argie “navy” is not too lucky with its subs. How's that project to fit a nuclear reactor in one going? There was the ARA San Luis. Some dumb cluck aboard reversed the polarity of the power cables to the torpedoes. So the gyros ran backwards. Wouldn't let him on a nuclear sub. Unless you want a mushroom cloud. Then there was the ARA Santa Fe. Oh, we did for that one, didn't we? Apparently, all three of your boats only spent a combined 19 hours submerged in the whole of 2012. Perhaps you should suggest that they contact your “destroyer” squadron. As I recall, they are quite good at getting ships to submerge. Whilst moored, I gather!
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, as slatzzz says, still not telling you where our submarines are. Oh, except... they are probably underwater!
Lets also remember Marcos Alejandro is an Argentine squatter living in London he is on record as stating he would like to return to Argentina when the situation improves -could he tell us all when this improvement is likely to happen??
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 Marcos Alejandro
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Keep the pressure Hector!”
On who???
Pressure on the UK?
That is the sort of “Pressure” you get from an ant, stamping on a elephant, a butterfly flapping its wings against a tornado.
Ol' Laughing boy is reduced to being a travelling circus.... that no one is listening too or taking any notice of...
.......and his jokes are rubbish!!!!!
Well we have Puricelli saying that the force protecting the Islands is keeping fascists like him from repeating 82. With that, regardless of their show-constitition, everyone knows what Argentina would do if they thought they could get away with it.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timerman's whine is no different than a 98-pound wannabe thug trying to get a restraining order against his “girlfriend's” big brother / current strapping boyfriend so he can knock out a few of her teeth to teach her not to rebuff him when he tells her she's his b!tch. Then he can feel like a man again.
If there's anything worse than a fascist, it's a sniveling weak one trying to get the world to disarm the people whose face he wants to step on with his jackboot.
Everyone, there is no use in trying the reason with Marcos. K's have a natural aversion to common sense, reason and logic. Wait until the “model” fails miserably, and there won't be a rock in Argentina for them to hide under.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
http://www-pub.iaea.org/iaeameetings/43046/International-Conference-on-Nuclear-Security-Enhancing-Global-Efforts
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting to read the Ministerial Declaration approved by all members (including the UK and the Argies)
International Conference on Nuclear Security: Enhancing Global Efforts
MINISTERIAL DECLARATION
We, Ministers of the Member States of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA),gathered at the International Conference on Nuclear
Security:Enhancing Global Efforts, convened by the Director General of the IAEA and open to all States, remain concerned about the threat of nuclear and radiological terrorism and of other malicious acts or sabotage related to facilities and activities involving nuclear and other radioactive material.
In light of the above, we:
Assert that the responsibility for nuclear security within a State rests entirely with that State.
So nothing about Nuclear Powered Submarines, And even so it's nothing to do with the Argies what we do with our Submarines, as long as we do it safely.
Is there any part or Argy foreign policy not entirely consumed with the Falklands.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos- So you really have to show to us that you are indeed equally as Thick and Stupid as your Foreign Minister??
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The sub that indeed got emabarrasingly(for the RN) stuck in the mud is nuclear engine powered- no more a nuclear threat than your Atucha electric power reactors are.
Same as all the other Royal Navy Subs that occasionally patrol in the S Atlantic.
UK does indeed have some ballistic missile subs- so does USA- France-Russia and China. Have no idea where they patrol but at a guess S.Atlantic in unlikley and there is also the Treaty of Tatleco - which UK signed.
If you and your idiot Minister think there are nuclear weapons in the S Atlantic please give me the dates and messages of complaint aimed at the USA-France-Russia and China.
As for peace loving Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In recent years:
Your Navy has aggresivley shined lights on civilian vessels in international waters.
Theatened cvilain vessels in International waterways.
Your Airforce has deliberatley flown jets directly towards the Islands to see how far they can get before interceptors from the Islands are scrambled up to meet them.
Your Airspace Control Authorities flout International Air Transport Regulations by refusing overflights to civilain aircraft transitting from one country to another through Arg airspace.
Your Defence Minister is on public record stating that the only thing that prevent Argentina from RE_OOCUPYING the Islands is the prescence here of British forces.
Do at least make a vague attempt at getting into reality- it would help you a lot.
It seems to me that Timerturd is starting to believe his own lies.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh! Tinpotman strikes again....... He is trying to compare British nuclear powered submarines patrolling the S.Atlantic with the nuclear ambitions of rogue states like Iran & N. Korea.........pathetic!
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Marcus Dickus comparison with M. Ghandi.....all I can say is that he & Tinpotman must have gone to the same public university in BsAs since both their brains still don't add up to one!
However, I must admit I will miss Tinpotman's comedy show once his government starts it's steady decline into obscurity after the October mid-terms......but I guess he can always get a job with Lanata!!!
Can you imagine the scene at the UN security council if Argentina puts forwards that the positions of all nuclear armed submarines should be made public?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean, Argentina would have to say all nuclear armed submarines, as to just say the UK subs would be seen as them trying to get a military advantage.
Hmmm, how many of the permanent members of the security council would veto such a proposal?
I reckon about...5 of them. :)
God, he really is stupid, isn't he.
It'll be interesting to see just what high jinks and japes the Argentines pull when they are sitting on the security council. They'll suddenly forget that they are there as representatives of all of South America, and it'll become the Timidman comedy show.
I need to get a stock of popcorn in ready for the show... :)
@1 Keep up the pressure Hector
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What pressure. Every time the guy opens his mouth he produces belly laughs. Outside of the Argentine Banana Republic he is just small beer.
How's the case going against British and Falkland oil firms, Hector. You have been threatening action since early 2010. When is it going to court?
@31 Schneckster
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it was Arturo Puricelli, the (then) Minister of Defence (and current Minister of Security) rather than humourous Hector who said words to the effect that if it wasn't for the British garrison then they'd invade.
I'd like to think that the idea of publicly suggesting waging agressive war against a peaceful neighbour (especially when every serious politician for the past thirty years have said they wouldn't) would have been enough to have cost him his job, but I think it might have more to do with their eternally broken and occasionally capsizing navy being eternally broken and occasionally capsizing.
Still, he's now the Minister of Security, which gives him the National Gendarmerie (border gards) to march up and down, and the Naval Prefecture (coast guards) to be eternally broken and occasionally capsize for our amusement.
It's an easy mistake to make, eventually they all merge into one hive mind of mediocraty and incompetence.
I don't know which made me laugh more, Humourous Hector's nuclear threat bit (which, lets face it, was a good joke the first time but has gotten a bit long in the teeth) or Marcos' Satyagraha routine.
Satyagraha, I believe, includes both honesty and not stealing, so that rules out almost all Argentine politicians in one fell swoop.
Argentina´s nuclear ethical behavior:
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is among the group of “peace loving” countries with a firm commitment to the implementation of the “necessary actions to prevent the pacific use of nuclear energy being abused for weapons or for threatening others.”
Britain´s nuclear ethical behavior
Mitterrand French President about Tatcher PM: “With her four nuclear submarines in the south Atlantic, she's threatening to unleash an atomic weapon against Argentina…”
”...Provoke a nuclear war for a few islands inhabited by three sheep...”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/22/books.france
@45 Well you fascists should't have gone and inflicted your Dirty War on those three sheep and few thousand Islanders by invading them -- all just to keep a few flailing generals in office longer so they could keep making people you didn't like disappear by accidentally falling naked out of airplanes.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45 - so_far
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's ethical behaviour:
Invades a small group of islands, with minimal defences, and threatens to ethnically cleanse the population when they object to it.
Argentine military who opened fire whilst there was a truce. Who placed armour and artillery in civilian populated areas (against the Law of Armed Conflict), who scattered land mines around without marking their places (against the Law of Armed Conflict), and who booby-trapped the children's desks in the school with high explosives.
Britains ethical behaviour:
Liberated the people of those small islands from a murderous military dictatorship. Looked after the soldiers from that murderous military dictatorship when they surrendered. Buried the Argentine dead with respect and honour - something that Argentina refused to do.
Continues to ensure the freedom and liberty of the Falkland Islanders from another Argentine tinpot pseudo- dictatorship who says that they don't exist; and if they did exist they are not people so therefore have no rights.
And the best you can come up with is heresay from a dead French bloke?
Must try harder next time.
@45 so far, how many times do you need to be told that we don't need to go anywhere near the South Atlantic to unleash an atomic weapon against rgenweener. I think Mitterrand would know that, so that articles a load of shite, especially as it comes from the Guardian.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange that the only People who admit reading the Guardian are Argentines on here.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I was the owner I would start flying copies down South America way, their circulation would treble!!
@48... Well heck, atomic weapons are unnecessary. The UK's conventional capacity is more than enough to deter CFK's & Timerman's need to act on their greed for their Sudetenland, and they know it. He's like a coward whining about how his would-be victim's gun prevents him from mugging her when her left hook would leave him on the floor crying for his mommie -- which is exactly what he's doing. Weak. Cowardly. Useless. Thug.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 42 LEPRecon
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have said before I believe CFK will try to pull some stunt under Chapter VI of the UN Charter which will prohibit the UK from voting and thus, more importantly, from using their veto power. Now what she can bring up that will do the RG's much good I have yet to fathom because Article 36 of the Charter states:
“In making recommendations under this Article the Security Council should also take into consideration that legal disputes should as a general rule be referred by the parties to the International Court of Justice in accordance with the provisions of the Statute of the Court.”
However that would appear to be a non starter because Argentina does not recognize the Court.
Thoughts anyone?
@ 44 Rufus:
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it's hard to remember who you are laughing at from laughing so hard! The stupidity uttered forth by these idiots does, as you say, seem to make them all merge into one. Therefore, thank you for the correction.
However, I'm still laughing (several hours later!) at Marcos' comparison between Argentina and Ghandi... it's a bit like comparing Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Mike Tyson!
@51 Biguggy
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes but if Argentina try's to stop free passage in international waters the UK can take them to the Law of the Sea tribunal.
Not only that, but the UK can then argue that Argentina is trying to tip the scales in their favour, so the only way it could be done is to state that ALL nuclear armed and powered subs positions are revealed, otherwise they are discriminating against a permanent member of the security council.
Do you honestly believe that the US, Russia, France and China would allow the positions of their assets to be revealed any more than the UK would?
That's the whole point of the veto.
Argentina, as usual is howling at the moon in an ever more desperate attempt to divert the people at home away from the fact that very soon they're going into the biggest default in history, one that will directly affect the people of Argentina (unlike last time when affected the investors). No more pensions. No money for schools or hospitals.
Riots in the street. Followed by blood in the streets. Followed by the potential lynching of CFK and her cronies for allowing this to happen.
When that happens shouting out the word Malvina's won't make any difference to the people.
CFK better have that helicopter on permanent standby.
Let's see an, Argentine is to be given the Chair of an international organisation with the power and authority to address the problems of every other country on the planet and which will she choose?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Ban Ki Moon, the envelope please.
And the winner is dah, dah!
Argentina.
PARLIAMENT CONDEMNS SPANISH INCURSIONS AND URGES TOUGHER UK RESPONSE
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Gibraltar Parliament last night unanimously urging Britain to strengthen its naval presence in British Gibraltar territorial waters
Opposition leader Daniel Feetham said
The UK should treat Gibraltar waters as it would treat the waters off Plymouth or Southampton, he added.
“I believe that the time has come for the UK government to finally send a larger asset to British Gibraltar territorial waters in order to act as a deterrent against these types of incursions
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29858
It seems that mr Cameron is will have to put real action, where his tongue used to be ..
Apparently argentina may well be on the receiving end as well. So they say .lol.
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@5 Thanks for reminding us about HMS Astute. Shall we remind you about the Espora? Not that it broke down before starting an exercise. Not that it had to limp into Simonstown Naval Base because its generators had stopped working. Not even that it was stuck there for 73 days because their German manufacturer MTU refused to start work until they were paid US$450,000 to cover the cost of the work and previous invoices that had not been paid. But the reason it was there in the first place. Because the ship that was originally supposed to go, the Spiro, RAN AGROUND ON A SANDBANK as she left Mar del Plata and lost her sonar. Now that's a vessel that had been in commission since 1988. What was that? No money to buy new charts? Or just a careless captain?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 I'm glad you mentioned the Treaty of Tlatelolco. Here is a little map that shows the Zone of Application of the treaty. http://www.opanal.org/opanal/Tlatelolco/P-Tlatelolco-i.htm
As we can all see, it doesn't cover the whole of the South Atlantic. In fact, as far as longitude is concerned it only goes as far as 20 degrees west in the area of argieland. Now, the Prime Meridian goes through Greenwich in England. And then through west Africa. Given that it's around 4,000 miles from Cape Town to the coast of South America, and Cape Town is at about 30 degrees east, I reckon that gives a British submarine a good 2,000 miles of ocean that has nothing to do with that treaty. Since an Astute-class has a beam of 37 feet, I think there's plenty of space!
@45 I don't think that you should mention argieland and ethics in the same sentence. Most definitely an oxymoron. Actually, you probably should mention argieland and ethics in the same article. I don't see anything wrong with firing a nuclear weapon at argieland. YOU'D just STARTED a WAR!
@51 Don't see much chance. Argieland is in breach of so much of the Charter, it would be like shooting itself in the head.
@51 If members of the UNSC could be gagged from using Vetos or even speaking, be it facts of diplo-doublespeak, some of the best and most vocal arguments in the SC would have been... not. :0)
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sounds like a really credible book. Not only does Mitterand apparently not know who won the battle of Trafalgar, but
'France, he insisted, would have the last word. “I'll build a tunnel under the Channel. I'll succeed where Napoleon III failed. And do you know why she'll accept my tunnel? I'll flatter her shopkeeper's spirit. I'll tell her it won't cost the Crown a penny.”'
@26
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was damn good timing…..all the way from Ayr to be waiting at Rhu and catch a photo of HMS Astute at the narrows…….did you wait all day or did you know it was coming? It would only take a few minutes for it to pass through the narrows……..mmmm…….it's out on a limb too!.....Mmmmm?
So-Far - please read my response to marcos so you can fully appreciate the peacefullness of your Arg Govt.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like your Foreign Mimister you also cannot understand the difference between a nuclear engined and a nuclear armed submarine! All those opertaing around the Islands in 1982 were nuclear engined - with conventional topedoes!
@59 she's still doing trials and work up so will be in and out of Rhu Narrows like a fiddlers elbow
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever been to Rhu.......they don't go in and out like a fiddles elbow.....tug boats or other boats accompany them........you would be hard pushed to catch them at the narrows by just turning up........unless it was HMS Ambush.......breaking down, embarrassingly so in front of the Nuke protesters.........
http://www.robedwards.com/2013/04/revealed-nuclear-submarine-mishap-on-the-clyde.html
@62 yes actually I was based in Faslane for 6 years 3 at FOST and 3 as ships manager at QHM, who said they didn't have a tug and MOD police boat / FPGRM escorts, I certainly didn't and neither did anyone else. May 19th was a Sunday so Clyde could have been doing anything maybe in RHU Marina or enjoying a meal in the Rosslea Hall hotel, who knows eh?
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1“Keep the pressure Hector”
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's pressure? More like comedy.
@53 Really?
“Dumb British Submarine Stuck In Mud”
Not now, but the RG ice patrol ship is still in dry dock and what about your type 42 that capsized in port?
“In his speech Timerman also emphasized that Argentina is among the group of “peace loving” countries ”
Hahahahahahahaah-Timmerturd is a great comedian.
” to prevent the pacific use of nuclear energy being abused for weapons or for threatening others.”
I thought they were bothered about subs in the Atlantic?-now the Argies really have a siege mentality from subs that aren't likely within 6000 miles of their ''motherland.'
Don't remember headlines in UK papers or UK politicians threatening Argentina with Nukes?
Argentina is now such a joke that the UK doesn't need nukes, just a tiny deterrent to prevent Argentina's historical leanings toward violence, usually against people that can't fight back.
In fact the UK conventional deterrence can thankfully be small, because Argentine aircraft are particularly efficient at crashing, not getting into the air for lack of parts, or going out of service (ie the IAI Finger)and most of their ships seem to break down, get impounded in foreign countries, or simply sink in port.
I would wager that the Argentines are so scared of their shadows (ie ref. the shooting up of Logger Ducks in Stanley harbour on suspicion of being SAS frogmen in 1982) ; last year the type 45 only spent a few days in S At and I bet no nuclear power subs went anywhere near the S At. at all. The fact is these resources are available to punish any future Argentine government emulating their hero Adolf Hitler, who strangely don't seem to recognise the biggest threat is from our 30 year old plus Tornado strike aircraft, (which aren't even based at MPA).
We don't need nuclear weapons amigos, your government is doing the best sabotage job on your own country that any adversary could even dream of.
@63
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More like having a cuppa at the Green Kettle........yeah I know my way about too
And FINALLY a sock puppet appears; to ignore the article and veer the conversation elsewhere.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good one A_Voice you are nothing if not reliable.
@62 A_Voice
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do realise that it must be amusing to know that a newly built killer submarine, not yet out of sea trials and therefore NOT yet accepted by the RN had a problem in the Clyde.
The problem will of course be overcome as will a myriad of other problems during what you might understand as a shakedown period. Now this is not the same shakedown that visitors to The Dark Country get to go with the black eyes and cuts whilst the possessions are being stolen.
Once out of the shakedown process and accepted by the RN this fantastically complex machine will be the terror of Timerturd and the rest of you argies.
So let us remember the latest nuclear submarine that will (when pigs fly) be the flagship of The Dark Country: the 1982 Thyssen 1700 fitted with a little kettle sized reactor (that will be noisier than a kettle) that has to go into the cut-open hull (NOT a good idea) to be mated to the existing internals. Due date: 2020, just in time for the redesign of the present new submarine to undergo proving trials.
This, together with the ships rolling over whilst tied up against the dock is the “proud” legacy for the argie navy.
Now be honest with yourself: which would you rather have? Well tough shit, because you can’t have one AND never will have one!
LOLs
#59
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where did I say that I came all the way from Ayr to photograph HMS Astute ?
did you wait all day..... No
or did you know it was coming?....... No,I am not privy to the comings and goings of RN subs. I used to know when the US subs. were coming in to the Holy Loch from patrol. All you had to know was when Evergreen airways flight was due in at Prestwick. They carried the relief crews and they would swop over the next day...usually.
Just maybe I was at Rhu for some other purpose ?.Mmmmm?
Suspicious aren't we ! Just as I am equally suspicious of you.
I have given you any amount of information about myself -
you seem extremely reluctant to say where you live or what school you went to. Why could this be ? BK is similarly evasive
Just to show you I am not evasive, we went to Geilston gardens at Cardross in the morning and then to Glenarn gardens at Rhu just after lunch. We walked round the gardens admiring the Rhododendrons - especially the Cinnabarinums and then met with the owner , Sue Thornley for a chat.
On our way out, at about 1500, I saw the sub. coming into the loch accompanied by the tugs and the rigid raiders.
I drove halfway up the road to the narrows - the last section is a private road - and then took the pictures I have been meaning to post them on ShipAIS but have not got round to it as yet. Over the years I have a reasonable collection of ship pictures of RN vessels taken in the Clyde, Rosyth and Devonport plus other soviet warships my brother took from his Shackleton in the 1950's and 60's. I have just finished a two year exercise to put all my pictures of aircraft ships and garden plants onto my computer. This amounts to 2,500 Gb.
Another bit of info. I visit Benmore gardens regularly as a member of the RBGE and know Peter Baxter, the Curator.
I have photographed every Rhododendron there since 1969.
Not bad for someone you have declared is an expat - how did I do it.
To you, for some snotty reply.
@65 good for you so why do you doubt other people so much then. Perhaps you want me to tell you the Bar manergeress, Mess Pres of the WO & SR's mess and treasurer whilst I was there, QHM? Bertie Armstrong now Chief exec of SFF ,Base services coordinator or Commanding Officer of FOST MPV.
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN:
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*yawn* “Oh look, its the Argies turn to talk...” *switches off translator*
easy work when you can get it eh?
:-)
@66
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's up Skip?........Been Walkabout?
I thought the article was about Nuke Subs and stuff and I was talking about.........wait for it.........Nuke Subs and stuff..........and your comment was about............Nuuuu.....Nah Nothing......but.......me.
@67
And neither can you.........remember you are an Ex.....4Ever.....unless you are saying your new country has one?.........thought not!
@71 your right this article is about Nuclear Submarines but you started by doubting Clydes ability to be at Rhu Narrows to photograph Astute, same as you doubt anything anyone tells you. I seem to remember you calling me a Walter Mitty in previous discussions despite me offering you proof of my 28 years in the RN, tell you what I am in Portsmouth next week for the Type 42 reunion at HMS Excellent Sat 13th KO 1400, me and a few old shipmates are doing a pub crawl first, so why don't you make your way down there and I'll introduce myself in lets say the Ship and Castle next to whale Island way about 1300 ish
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 57 GFace
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not 'gagged' but not allowed to vote which of course removes their power of veto. Article 27 of the UN Charter states:
“Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.”
In 1982 when SC Resolution was being discussed Panama queried the eligibility of the UK to vote. Fortunately Sir Anthony Parsons was 'fast enough on his feet' to point out that the subject had been raised under another Article, not in Chapter VI.
@ slattzzz Your wasting your time mate people or THINGS like A_Voice would never step from behind a key board it's a complete waste of space a complete tosser
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74 I know mate shame really I'd have bought him a pint
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as much as you doubt me........and it was damn good timing for him to catch the sub at the narrows!
@68
The things that you say could be found on the net.........except how you knew the local price of the Western Ferry tickets from the corner shop run by the Indians......Mmmm.
Peter Baxter he knows me very well.......black hair with beard, wife makes jewellery been in his house on Fir Brae.........huge house........no idea how he heats it in winter.......know more than you........it appears????
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Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 075Slattzzzz
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and... ”A-Voice of Think , side-steps the invitation and even, the reply !
@78 I know mate and it's not far from Dover to Portsmouth either
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still no mention of Subs Skip
By the way Skippy is a bit of a derogatory term used by the Brits, I'm so happy you are proud of it.......Skippy Skippy.........Skippy the bush Kangaroo.
If Heisenbergcontext is a puppet I don't care.........he's smarter than you and so has more interesting posts, also he must have an interest in Quantum Mechanics that's always interesting!.........I'm sticking out my tongue........there!
Anglotino
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you 'Think' he is trying to get under your skin?
Now hilariously spelling it out that he is insulting you.
No mention of subs.
;-)
Slattzzzz
As you say, not far, Dover to Portsmouth, but probably uncomfortable with Dame Dover's Landy (I mean DD's ”wife's) stuffed full of “Socks” and other dirty laundry.
Looks like he's desperately trying to bait you too, whilst NOT talking about subs.
Wanting some attention, fabricating a Southern persona, but still, a “wannabe” as he calls it - a fantasy, he'll never really belong.
That's what irks him most.
He feels that we should not be worthy of being British, or English especially, yet he KNOWS he isn't accepted.
:-D
#76
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I have never been in his house. He knows me from my interest in the gardens and also from the group meetings that he runs at the start of the year - last one on 14 February this year.
The things that you say could be found on the net.
OK, on my last post what in it that I said would I have found on the net ? The arrival time for HMS Astute, the change over of Polaris sub. crews, the flowering time this year for Rhododendrons at Glenarn. I also know Richard Baines, the Curator at Logan Gardens and just received an email from him this evening about a picture I sent him taken at Benmore.
You can check this out with P.Baxter - the picture is of a rare hybrid Rh. named Sirius which is a cross between Crassum x Royleii. There is a similar cross at Logan called Roylmad.
You obviously know Peter Baxter better than me, so ask him if he knows a couple from Ayr who are interested in the gardens and have been visiting them for 50 years. I am 71, grey haired, bearded, glasses and heavy build...see if that rings a bell with him.
You say that I could have found info. from the net, conversely you could be fed information from someone local to make it appear that you were the genuine article.
You still seem to refuse to give a couple of basic pieces of information as to your origin or whereabouts although you seem to demand and doubt everyone else -what a good spoiling Argi. ploy.
@81 he won't bait me mate. I have made him an offer if he choses not to accept it whilst continueing to doubt everyone else on here, so be it I know what I THINK and bet you all THINK exactly the same, I'm not scared to speak about my past, tell you where I live etc, whether he believes me or not I care not one jot. We all know he won't, because he probably doesn't have one worth talking about hence he is known as THINKOVERDOVERSVOICE
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@83
Jul 02nd, 2013 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't accept your offer I would need to get a flight and I've got to work and stuff but thanks anyway.
@81 Marionette
You haven't got a clue have you?
What do you mean fabricating a southern persona???
If you insist here's a little background for you.......
Now here's a little story
To tell it is a must
About an unsung hero
That moves away your dust
Some people make a fortune
Other's earn a mint
My old man don't earn much
In fact....he's flippin'.....skint
Oh, my old man's a dustman
He wears a dustman's hat
He wears cor blimey trousers
And he lives in a council flat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GeZ3YmONw
I must apologise to all but Troy deserves it
@81 Troy Tempest
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is even funnier is that A_Voice hasn't even read the article. There is nothing in the article about submarines. Just “the possible introduction of nuclear armament in this nuclear weapon free zone”.
So A_Voice is once again taking everyone on a merry chase to ignore the continued idiocy shown by the Argentine government.
Also Heisenbergcontext has slunk back onto the site in the last 2 weeks after swearing off it. Funnily enough after posting mainly to Think before his temporary departure he is now avoiding Think. I've been watching his posts and A_Voice's for the past couple of weeks and they are quite funny really.
Heisenbergcontext is NOT Australian. A_Voice who seems to put so much emphasis on the actual location of other posters and yet won't share his own has fallen for this either because of his intelligence level or because they are the same person or more likely both.
A_Voice's futile posts:
59 - Didn't discuss the article
62 - Didn't discuss the article
65 - Didn't discuss the article
71 - Showed he didn't read the article
76 - Didn't discuss the article
80 - Again showed he didn't read the article
84 - Didn't discuss the article
The article doesn't mention submarines. But A_Voice has made nearly 10% of comments on this article and perhaps should try to read it and discuss it.
Then again that isn't his job.
Still laughing that Heisenbergcontext doesn't realise where he went wrong on his posts. It is so bloody obvious to an Aussie it is almost farcical.
Unlike A_Voice I don't feel the need to continually comment. Just watch and learn.
@85
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very weak retort........like I said not as smart as Heisenbergcontext
Everyone knows by the reference........“militarization in the South Atlantic Ocean.” and the mention of Nuclear by Timmerman that he was alluding to Nuke Subs.......how slow are you?
You are so good at reading others posts.......tell me how many people mentioned Subs on this thread or give us the percentage if you like.......you are fond of percentages just like you are fond of puppets.......tell me are you and Troy the same, he does follow you about like a lap dog.
Both British Wannabe's
“Unlike A_Voice I don't feel the need to continually comment.”
Is that because you spend your time using other personas?
Those that know could place me in an instant.........you are not one of them!!
A_Voice if you feel I have sock puppets, then please out them!
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0But thank you for finally actually talking about the article.
Good boy, sit!
@87
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha I remember when you told me you felt proud that I called you Skippy and I thought, either A) you were not an Aussie or B) you were a dumb kid that was unaware of the derogatory reference from the old Aussie television series about a Kangaroo that the boy Sonny used to talk to and the Kangaroo would reply Tchk tchk tchk and the kid would understand.
Tchk tchk tchk..........What's that Skip........Oh there are nuclear power plants in the Atlantic Ocean?
Tchk tchk tchk
Oh you mean there are nuclear Subs in the Atlantic Ocean......Strewth Gothcha!
Yeah you're an Aussie alright........Dumb as!
@88 Thinko:
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Skippy is not a derogatory reference for an Aussie. it's not a huge leap from calling a New Zeelander a kiwi, or an English woman an English Rose.
@87 Anglotino:
Whatever you do, don't get mugged into taking part in one of Thinko's puppet games of 'let's talk about Mr. Magoo from 20 miles down the road to prove who we are...”.
Nobody really cares where the people that come on here to lend support the the Falklander cause come from except the muppet malvinistas, which might explain Thinko's obsession with his socks.
@89 screenname
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0A_Voice and whoever has their hand up his arse doesn't bother me at all. More entertaining actually. But at least he has proven he A) isn't an Aussie and B) has never been to Australia.
Heisenbergcontext was one of the latest Think sockpuppets and he tried to pretend to be an Aussie but failed miserably. Not that easy to pull the wool over our eyes it would seem or to even pretend to be one. That is why A_Voice has no location or nationality - small target and all that bs.
A_Voice doesn't stand for anything and then uses other people's beliefs and words against them. But as you can see, he is trainable. He's still sitting there waiting for his next command.
God forbid what Argentina is going to complain about when Brazil starts sailing its own nuclear powered submarines in the South Atlantic.
Poor Think and his various sock puppets made it on to this thread recently:
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/03/04/brazil-opens-naval-shipyard-to-build-conventional-submarines-and-eventually-a-nuclear-powered-one
@90Anglotino:
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's ( almost ) flattering to have my own cyber-stalker. Your choice to believe what you want of course. MercoPress removed your earlier comment on my request - I simply asked them to check where my IP address is located - which is precisely where I've always claimed I live - Adelaide, SA, Australia. And yeah mate I know perfectly well when someone is using the term sarcastically.
88A_Voice
Screenname is correct in this instance - I can't recall anyone call me Skip when I lived in England. Just the odd patronising ' down under ' joke - especially when that Men at Work song came out. I think Skippy the Bush Kangaroo stopped broadcasting in the U.K. long before I arrived in'79. Loved the show when I was a kid. I did get called a 'Pakki' a few times - I'm half-Indian - which was actually amusing to me since in Australia the term was actually an affectionate term for the Pakistani cricket team which toured here in '76/'77 and earned our respect for their toughness and flamboyance and particularly the bowling of Imran Khan - he was really quick in those days.
Well I must have led a very sheltered life as I am in my late 40's and have never heard anyone using Skippy as a derogatory term for Aussies,methinks someone is telling porkie pies.Anglotino may be able to clear one thing up that has always puzzled me,why is a redhead called Blue downunder ?
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Saphira I'm unsure why. They are usually called Blue or Bluey. Probably because it isn't red. Who knows which Aussie humour.
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heisenbergcontext
While I don't doubt you got my comment removed, there is one guarantee, Mercooress doesn't confirm IP addresses. Lol. Anyone that knows Suzie would know that you just lied.
You aren't in Australai. You can say whatever you want but you aren't. It is impossible because you made some glaring mistakes on your first foray into this site and you are flummoxed after your carefully scripted history was wasted after you made one major mistake.
Say all you want. You were once best friends with Think on here and now have attached to A_Voice.
But you aren't an Aussie. Not stalking. Just stating fact.
@94Anglotino:
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tough to save both your face and your arse at the same time. By the way your spelling and syntax seem to feeling apart.
slattzzz
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just thought I would come out of the kiddies playground for a while - the weight of the egos here is crushing my computer !
Were you at Faslane when the King Edward cigar smuggling was at its height. It was in the 1970's I think. Memory is failing !
It was when one of our subs came back from Florida after test firing Polaris/Poseidon missiles. A huge amount of cigars was brought back and hidden in the missile casings, guessing that Customs would not search that area. They were correct, but as Helensburgh was flooded with these cigars it came back to the source and quite a few officers/sailors were court martialled.
I had to attend at the Finnart terminal in the 1960's to check the unloading of a crude oil tanker. I was told the story of the first super tanker to berth there. Seemingly it came up at ten knots, the pilot ordered astern on the engines and the vessel sailed majestically on towards Arrochar. He did not realise that the vessel needed about 10 miles to come to a halt. Full astern was ordered with no effect -seemingly the wash from the propellers went under the hull and acted like ice. The tanker sailed on by the depot to the alarm of all and sundry. In desperation the anchor was dropped and bounced along the bottom until it lodged and the ship juddered to a halt about two miles from the terminal. Red faces all around !!
SENOR TIMERMAN ,
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0THE BALDERDASH THAT EMANATES FROM YOUR LIPS IS SIMPLY BEYOND COMPREHENSION !
YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS ITS OWN TOP
SECRET NUCLEAR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME
ASSISTED BY YOUR VENERABLE ISRAELI FRIENDS:::::::::::::::NOT TO FORGET
OF COURSE THE REVERED BRAZILIAN NEIGHBOURS WHO ARE
CONSTRUCTING NUCLEAR POWERED SUBMARINES.
SO YOU ARE REQUESTED FORTHWITH TO REFRAIN FROM POINTING
YOUR GRIMY FINGERS AT THE U.K. AND DISSEMINATING THIS UTTER
HUMBUG OF THE SO CALLED ”MILITARISATION OF THE S.A.
:::::::::::::::::: SPARE A THOUGHT INSTEAD FOR THE BELEAGUERED
QOM INDIANS IN N.ARGENTINA WHO ARE SUFFERING AT THE HANDS
OF YOUR LATINO SQUATTER HENCHMEN.
“We know that the handling of nuclear technologies and, in particular, that of the finished cycle of nuclear fuel, demands not only scientific and technological excellence,”
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Somewhat worrying therefore as Argentina's scientific and
technological excellence just does not exist.
Just look at the blinding technological superiority of the Pamper-the outdated airborne diaper.
@92
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skippy
Look at number 5.........Doh! Perhaps you should do a little research before you make a fool of yourself!......Porkies indeed.
The problem with this site is there are very few actual English on it.......full of EXpat's and Wannabe's or people that may have spent.....“Some” time in the UK and somehow feel it makes them British. (Even worse there are some people who think they are British that have never lived in Britain)???......WTF.......
The few McCoy's find it difficult to agree with me even when I'm right.......they would feel they were fraternising with the enemy.
I also have no idea why all those posters feel the need to give me details of there life or history........I have never asked in any of my posts but you insist on having to prove yourselves.
I know Skippy will now be furiously going through my posts to check......have fun ......Opps beat you to it.......the only time I did ask someone where they were, was Monkey and it was, “where in the UK are you”.........there you go save you some time Skip.
@91 Heisenbergcontext
Au Contraire Screenname is incorrect in this instance.
@98A_Voice:
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The dictionary is correct about the Lebanese part - but that only works in Sydney. And nobody's ever called me a skip, skippy whatever, nor would it bother me if they did. As acerbic insults go it's pretty lame.
@99 Heisenbergcontext
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you have already stated you were not in the UK in the early 70's so you wouldn't be aware of Brits referring to Aussies as Skippy at that time, as the dictionary says it was both an insult or descriptive. I used it comparatively, it reminded me of a ventriloquist act or a puppet master and his puppet and Anglotino's obsession with puppets.........legendary.
I personally don't think of it as an insult......more amusing, but then again I'm easily amused, but I respond like with like.
@98 Well I never no wonder I had never heard of it,it's not an English or British insult it's an Aussie one and seeing as I live in wonderful Wiltshire and have only been to France and Germany on holiday,not much change of me ever knowing it.
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@101:
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bless your heart - you sound far too nice to insult anyone.
98a-voice of Thinkedover
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Look at number 5.........Doh! Perhaps you should do a little research before you make a fool of yourself!......Porkies indeed.
The problem with this site is there are very few actual English on it.......full of EXpat's and Wannabe's or people that may have spent.....“Some” time in the UK and somehow feel it makes them British. (Even worse there are some people who think they are British that have never lived in Britain)???......WTF.......“
”Chuckle chuckle“, as someone once said.
This seems to be an obsession with you.
Think, like it or not, I AM British.
Nothing you can do about it. It's not up to a foreign ”Wannabe”, like you.
Galling for you - immensely amusing for me.
Keep yattering on about it.
:-D
ooops forgot to thank Anglotino for the info on Blue lol,@102 Nice to be called nice but I am sure there are soe who would disagree with you .
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arguments arguments,
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can answer all your questions, anytime , anywhere , anyplace,
But sadly it’s a secret,
Ya know what a secret is,
Are you sure,
Then don’t ask silly questions and one wont get a silly answer.
Secrets / Pahh- bring back the spies.
……………………………………………..
justa secret thought lol.
Surely the Falkland Islands are a 'regional' player? The fact that as a BOT the UK IS the provider of defence for that regional player, so Tinman will clearly not be including Royal Navy assessts in this pantomime presentation of his.
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 095 Clyde15
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you serious??? King Edward cigar smuggling???
You see? that's what I like about The Royal Navy..... Always thinking!! Why nip down to the corner shop and buy a pack of malboro's when you can stuff a launch tube with cigars??
No one started glowing green did they?
Great story man and the second was a classic as well!!!
Keep 'em coming!!
@95 no mate my first experience of Faslane was on Nubian we hit the Ambuscade (I think was just a lad ) she was on acceptance trials and we holed our bows and wrote off all her flight deck guardrails and half the quarterdeck, she went back to Guzz and we went into the AFD ( two weeks believe we were the first ever skimmers in there)
Jul 03rd, 2013 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Astute
Jul 04th, 2013 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMK7Gd4UB4
vs.
The mighty Argentinian Submarine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgMK7Gd4UB4
Timerman and 33 ministers representing the countries with advanced nuclear technology, as well as delegations of 123 countries, met in the Austrian capital to work out joint policies aimed at strengthening nuclear safety.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman met with the representatives from the 33 technologically advanced countries and the 123 countries where they are educated enough to reaise that you don't stick a strategic nuclear missile boat in your enemies back yard when you can park it thousands of miles away and still destroy his capital.
Timerman blathered on about his usual crap and was then politely ignored, just like an elderly relative with flatulence. Time for everyone else to have serious dicussions about real world issues old man.
Britian didn't toast you when you invaded us in 1982. Why would we do it now when you are repeatedly promissing us and the world that you have learned your lesson and are not going to invade us again.
Of course if you invade again then its a rerun of Starship Troopers.
@106
Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes-and the Argentines, so consumed with South America-do not recognise a big thing called an ocean that connects the Falkland Islands with South Georgia, Tristan Da Cunha, Ascension Island and St Helena, all in a nice line down the South Atlantic, and all BOTs-so the Falklands are not as isolated as Argentina thinks.
110 RICO
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Timerman blathered on about his usual crap and was then politely ignored, just like an elderly relative with flatulence”
Classic!! LOL
#109 that sub is pink! Is that the one they used in the movie “Operation Petticoat” with Cary grant and Tony Curtis?
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0lololololololol
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