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Calling the Malvinas: Argentine news broadcast in English from Rio Grande
Since Wednesday midnight Radio Nacional from Radio Grande is broadcasting news in English targeted to the Falkland Islands. The news bulletin has been prepared by Radio Nacional Buenos Aires through Radio Argentina al Exterior and will be broadcasted at the break of every day, reports Tierra del Fuego media. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesShades of, “Germany calling, Germany calling.”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is the main broadcaster, odious Alejandro no doubt!
I'm sure that this signal will never be tuned into, unless the Falklanders want to listen to fairy tales.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll bet it's even easier to block the signal all together.
But isn't it nice that the Argentine government is still wasting all of it's money on senseless and useless things, instead of on the infrastructure or people of Argentina.
This 'initiative' won't be around for long, because as soon as the money is gone, so will all of these wasteful 'projects'.
They will probably broadcast on the maritime distress frequency or something
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see they are running a nice radio play about Antonio Rivero who, and I quote from their site “...led the uprising in the islands in 1833 and managed to hoist the flag first Argentina in the archipelago.” Perhaps they can translate that into english and educate the Islanders.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But isn't it nice that the Argentine government is still wasting all of it's money on senseless and useless things”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0To which country could we apply this one to... hmm.
“ .. links we expect to establish..” ??
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0More like Radio GaGa :-)
@1;
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, so funny. Pathetic also when you think about it.
Slight change of subject:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34551
Stanley should play some music for the Argies...
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgU0X73QGzc
How long before Lord Haw Haw gets a slot? Nazi propaganda, Timerman = Goebells. As well as the trolls he controls on here, we now have propaganda broadcasts. He doesn't fool anyone with even half a brain. Perhaps its 'Think' thought for the day, and a daily insult from Marcos, and Nostrils daily rant....whatever next...hissing Sid?
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0They even admit it's all fiction : “The news report is made up in Buenos Aires”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are they broadcasting to people that don't exist? Doesn't make any sense to me.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0The listening figures will be off-scale, i.e. none.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Rio Grande, the city from where the news cooked in Buenos Aires is broadcast '
Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0'The news report is made up in Buenos Aires ..'
Mercopress, you lose respect when you do this; time to improve.
The Argies are wasting their time from the first minute because they are broadcasting to the Malvinas which, as everyone knows, do not exist. If the radio broadcast was titled “Calling the Falklands” then they might be able to get a few listeners, even if it was only to hear the “Comedy Half Hour”.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I remember listening to Radio Free Tirana (the English language Albanian propaganda station) in the 1980's- I guess the Argie programme will sound similar.
It has to be said, I would imagine that the Lincolnshire Poacher would have had more listeners than Radio Malvinitis will have.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0So this is the kind of thing our money gets spent on.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway. ePetition news:
It seems an e-petition 'Stop British taxpayers’ money supporting World Bank loans to Argentina' signed by many people recently reached 10,531 signatures and a response has been made to it. The response says:
”As this e-petition has received more than 10 000 signatures, the relevant Government department have provided the following response: In February 2013, the Secretary of State for International Development, Justine Greening, confirmed in an answer to a House of Commons Written Parliamentary Question that she has instructed her representatives at the Inter-American Development Bank and World Bank to vote against all new proposals for financial support to the Government of the Republic of Argentina presented by these institutions, while reserving the right to support proposals that can demonstrate exceptional benefits to the poorest people of Argentina. These are the only Multilateral Development Banks (MDBs), in which the UK is a shareholder, from which the Government of Argentina borrows. She has also made public that this is because in her view, the UK must ensure that the scarce resources of the MDBs are used as effectively as possible to foster development and economic growth. In light of recent actions by the Argentine government she is no longer confident that further investments in Argentina would be consistent with these objectives. The actions include the failure to comply with the World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes rulings; failure to agree to standard IMF Article IV surveillance since 2006; and the recent IMF censure, the first of its kind, as a result of continued failure to remedy breach of data obligations under the IMF Articles of Agreement, seriously undermining our ability to properly assess proposed future loans by the MDBs. She has also advised that this position will be kept under review, subject to the future actions of the Go
Ooops, forgot to tune in. I do hope I don't forget tomorrow................
Jul 05th, 2013 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Here's my suggested playlist for the new station
Jul 05th, 2013 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keep on Running – Spencer Davies Group
White Flag – Dido
I Surrender – Rainbow
Roll Over Lay Down – Status Quo
On the Run – Pink Floyd (from Dark Side of the Moon)
The Winner Takes It All – Abba
Living in the Past (ie 1833) – Jethro Tull
I Started Something I Couldn’t Finish – The Smiths (feat. our friend Morrisey!)
Don’t Believe a Word – Thin Lizzy
Free Fallin’ (from a C130) – Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Dit Dit Dit.... DAH----Dit Dit Dit.... Dah........
Jul 05th, 2013 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The long sobs of the violins of autumn wound my heart with a monotonous languor.
Have they broadcast this as yet ?
I would bet that quite a few Falklanders will listen in - but not for or to the benefit of Argentina.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0These sort of attempts at propaganda never achieve their stated aim. I imagine it will just make most listeners giggle.
Why do the think the Falkland Islanders want to hear the “official” version of the Argentinian news?
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A news bulletin for the English speaking residents of Malvinas; this is very important because of the links we expect to establish” - what links do the hope to establish - the can't even get the name of the islands right.
During the 1960's and 70's some people of FI could tune into Argentine TV broadcasts since there was no Television on the islands back then.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18 Steve, like the list, but I think Run Like Hell from The Wall would work too...
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People tend to tune in to this sort of stuff just to know what the enemy is saying.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a daft idea that'll just make Argentina look silly again.
If they want to establish links with the resident of the islands, I strongly suggest they call the radio show 'Calling the Falklands', as islanders find the 'M' word extremely insulting. Just shows how little they really care!
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The broadcasts will give Mercopress significantly more material - let's hope that Mercopress becomes both professional and objective.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This promises to be amusing.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The kelpers MUST understand that they are English and will be able to remain so. Or take the nationality that you like. That's not a concern for the Argentines. May continue taking their property, enjoying their freedoms, living on the islands and choosing their authorities. Argentina claims sovereignty over the territory, not on property and people. Understand this.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When will the Argentines realize that any hope of normalizing the relations they have torn up with the Islanders over and over again will only be addressed when they start talking WITH the islanders rather than AT them or ABOUT them to anyone contractually required to listed to their lies. They certainly have chosen the correct medium by whcih to continue their current policy of failure by design.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What WILL be on the radio programming then? News as to how the Islanders are untermensch (as opposed to people) with no rights but what the fascists in Buenos Aires give them? That when they take over they will have all the rights they have no, just as they promised in 1982 before holding guns at their heads? Or will they just be their passive aggressive cowardly selves and just play Cheeky Girls, Jedward and that %$&@ Bruno Mars song over and over and over. Luckily the Islanders have things called “dials” on their radios just like everyone else has had for years.
Perhaps the Islanders should retaliate by broadcasting news including their actual inflation rates.
29. Gface. Radio free Argentina! Brilliant idea :)
Jul 05th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28. That's one of the “propery 'rights'” models for fascism by which they promise freedom -- in the big print. Thank you for your candor but its nothing we didn't know already. The state owns the land/country, the people own the printing press but since the state owns the land well... you, being a fascist, get the point. And since the Islands have experienced your vision of “rights” in 1982, they “understand this” all too well.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Dotto:“The kelpers MUST understand that they are English and will be able to remain so.”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinians MUST understand that they are Falkland Islanders that live on the Falklands and will be able to remain so.
@28 Dotto: “That's not a concern for the Argentines.”
Nothing about the Falklands should concern Argentina.Militarily it has taken up a purely defensive position for the last 30 years in the wake of Argentine aggression, while diplomatically over the last 30 years it has constantly reached out for better relations with Latin American countries.
@28 Dotto: “May continue taking their property, enjoying their freedoms, living on the islands and choosing their authorities. ”
Falkland Islanders do that now without the car crash that is Argentinian government being involved.
@28 Dotto: “Argentina claims sovereignty over the territory, not on property and people. Understand this.”
If Argentina thinks it has a legitimate claim to the Falklands then it should be taken to the ICJ for consideration. Argentina's actions regarding the Falklands go against the charter of the UN and it is of great shame to the UN that they have not used military force to smash Argentina into dirt. Only then might we see an end to the imperialist, colonialist, expansionist, aggressive attitude of Argentina that has only been stunted by the complete military impotence of Argentina.
cumbia and murga and spanish rock (with translation) for Malvinas
Jul 05th, 2013 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It could be quite funny - like an Argie Goon show.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So after 180 years of Argentine “sovereignty” and 300 years of Spanish “sovereignty” - right back to the Treaty of Tortilla, we have the very first attempt by the Argentine government to provide a public service to the Islands and it is..... 1 Argentine news bulletin per day.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 There's a clue. Look. “But isn't it nice that the Argentine government is still wasting all of it's money on senseless and useless things” You see? It's right there in the sentence. It's ARGIELAND, Thicko!
Jul 05th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 Have you got a version you prefer?
@22 So?
@28 You're new to this, aren't you? See whether YOU can understand THIS. The Islanders are, by choice, BRITISH. The territory is, LEGALLY, BRITISH. As WE have proved more than once, there is NOTHING argieland can do about this. Moreover, the FACT that the territory is BRITISH has been confirmed by the United Nations. In addition, the United Nations has NO power to change that. So, all your mealy-mouthed waffling is pointless. Doubt if you'll get paid for this. Try changing your name to Dotty. More accurate!
@33 Is that the nasty, ear-splitting racket that latinos think is music? News for you. It only works in Spanish. Because it's crap.
@35 No, you've got that wrong. It will be 1 argie olds bulletin per day. You can just imagine it. Breaking news! “Moreno applies anti-hoarding law. Demands UK stop interfering in argie agriculture”. “You are either with us or against us. Boudou says. Referring to the allegations about his corruption that he says are UK-inspired”. “CFK to unionised workers: ”I won't stand for anyone's extortion. But if I'm lying down, anyone's insertion is acceptable“. ”Minister Randazzo warns “No railway unionist will blackmail me. CFK is already doing that and I don't have anything left”.
Playlist.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA5jsa1lR9c
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYbYohbAftk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMxRDTfzgpU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBXIK5TZjs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoaXWMlG5ZM - shoutout to hms antelope ... just a bad joke, may offend some. sorry, couldn't resist.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtKKJSfYraU
Didn't Lord Hawhaw end up dangling on the end of a rope after doing this sort of thing for Adolf? He didn't make it to Argentina in time.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@14 I used to listen to Tirana in Portugal, hilarious rants denouncing deviationists in Moscow before turning on the Americans. Good job we had nukes to keep their fraternal brothers at a distance.
Playlist:
'I still haven't found what I'm looking for' (any plausible claim to the Falklands).
'Hungry Eyes (and stomachs)'
'Land of Make Believe'
'A Town called Malice'
'Beat Surrender'
'There's no one quite like Grandma (Cristina)'
'You can't hurry love'
'I should have known better'
'The Chicken Song'
'You win again'
'Would I lie to you?'
'Voodoo Chile' Hendrix
'You won't find another fool like me'.
'Rat trap' (also for South Georgia).
@19 Clyde
Jul 05th, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Classic, absolutely classic!
GFace My dear friend. The kelpers have no vote is these issues. sovereignty is disputed between two countries. Argentina-England. The islands are Argentine own right, not by invasion. The Argentine people respect and appreciate those kelpers. But they are not part of the problem. In 1982 ruled in Argentina imposed by the U.S. government, as you well know. The central point is Argentina's sovereignty on the islands, not the way of life, customs, language, culture, values, beliefs, or authorities of the islands. The islands belong to the province of Tierra del Fuego Argentina and in such a condition, the Kelpers may elect democratically their authorities, which do not alter any of these issues. I regret that the British government dig in his heels in maintaining colonial territories in the XXI Century. But sorry for the Kelpers, that this submission can not reach the status of free citizens, and remain subjects. Sorry I can not replicate their aggressions, but I feel no hatred towards those who are not free to express their ideas without consulting London
Jul 05th, 2013 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 041: THE UK, not ENGLAND!! .... and while you refuse to talk to the islanders, there will be no discussion. Broadcast that, if you have need for news!!
Jul 05th, 2013 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You like your government are not listening.
If you want to talk about anything to do with the Falkland Islands. You will have to talk to the Islanders. Not the English.
Anyway if there were to be talks, who would you send, the Spanish, Italians, Germans, Scandanavians, Russian or the Welsh.
Personally I would prefer the Welsh, at least there would be a common ground to start from. After all, they are English according to your side.
On the up side this is an admission the Islanders exist, progress of a sort.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It remains to be seen whether it becomes an attempt to reach out to their intended audience, or is simply Haw Haw/Tokyo Rose re-visited.
We shall see if they use the name “Malvinas” or “Malvinas/Falklands”, anything else would be too much to hope for at this stage.
No doubt North and South Korea broadcast to each other.
China and Taiwan do, even fire leaflets at each other.
Perhaps “Kelper FM” should start broadcasting in Spanish to Argentina, particularly addressing the indigenous rights agenda.
@ 40 Dotto
The Islands have never legitimately been administered by, or formed part of, the sovereign territory of the Republic of Argentina.
Argentina has no valid legal, or historical claim to any British territory in the S Atlantic or Antarctic.
Sorry but these are the simple facts.
@40 deluded
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'the kelpers have no vote is the issue'
Wrong.
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/questions_answers.shtml
they can remain as they are as long as it is their 'free choice' - they've voted
and
www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/67/134
all about 'populations' of non-self-governing-territories having the right to 'self-determination.'
and then Ban said, 'The World's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves MUST have complete freedom in deciding their future status,' Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon told a forum on decolonization today.
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/questions_answers.shtml
'The Kelpers have no vote is the issue. 0/10 must try harder
40
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0british falklands,
full stop
why you not go and steal someone elses land..
Give them there due, this is deffinately a concerted effort.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody lucky they did not show the same thing back in 1982.
Then again that was face to face, this is not exactly the same really.
They are still shit scared of the islanders!
they will use hyper sounds to brainwash listeners.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 40 Dotty
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England? So you don't want to negotiate with the Falkland Islanders, the Scottish, the Welsh or the Northern Irish? Is there anybody else you don't want in the room? Better to clear this up in advance to avoid disappointment.
@Steveu
Bo Selecta!! Not a bad set-list.
I'd have to add:
Bigmouth Strikes Again - for His excellency Mr T and
Girl Least Likely To - for you know who
And for the good people of the Falklands Islands Neil Young's:
Keep on rocking in the Free World
Song request coming in from London for Dave C, dedicated to all his chums promoting future international relations with the middle emerging economies of the mercosur bloc.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here it is Dave... just for you, the Eurythmics with 'thorn in my side'.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9omIsBFZUc
Digressing to the linked subject of Gibraltars sovereignty issue on a musical theme, this one really must be the one.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://uk.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A7x9Qfk9INdR2wUANTJLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTE1MTRjcjVzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2lyZAR2dGlkA01TWVVLMDJfNzU-/SIG=120h7bhu3/EXP=1373081789/**http%3a//www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=iikKzQwgBJc
Now if they had somebody like Kenny Everet that would be worth listening to.
Jul 05th, 2013 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Imagine the piss-takes of TMBOA and Timerturd! Priceless.
And of course, “ALL IN THE BEST POSSIBLE TASTE.”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“said Leda Soto the broadcaster from the night shift who inaugurated the “calling the Malvinas” service.”
Jul 05th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is she that corned beef Kate who broadcast to the UK forces going South in 1982?
@4
“led the uprising in the islands in 1833 and managed to hoist the flag first Argentina in the archipelago.”
So it's not Jewitt or Vernet anymore?
@3
Lol!
@9 Timmerturd, Mr Angry?
@11 Lol!
@18 Lol!
@38 lol!
This is how Argentina thinks hearts and minds work, like trying to give FI kits Pingu videos.
Can islanders call the RG radio show and ask them polite questions such as 'Is your ice patrol ship still in dry dock' and what do you think about the fact that Brits were in Ushuaia before the spics?
Calling Patagonia?
Nice playlist but you forgot the big one
Jul 05th, 2013 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DON'T CRY FOR ME, ARGENTINA
@54 you'reright.How could I have missed such an obvious choice?
Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess I didn't have it in my iTunes Library
Nobody hear has heard it - noe of us know the frequency anyway nor do we really care!
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dotto - I am an Islander - like many in this world I always took DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM to live my life they way I want and under a Government I vote and elect as something natural and every day.
Then on 2nd April 1982 YOUR Country came and took away my FREEDOM and my DEMOCRACY at the point of a Gun.
That is something I, and all others whe were here then, will NEVER forget nor FORGIVE for as long as your Country continues to claim our homeland.
We remember the 255 British Servicemen who gave thier lives and the hundreds more who were wounded as the cost of RESTORING those RIGHTS to us.
We treaure those rights - they are written in the UN Charter applicable to all.
Get used to it.
Radio Nacional has a website with no English translation and the main article regarding their transmission of the programme isn't in English either, a bit stupid for an English language programme? It even states that it's for “those in our province who speak English”, not exactly the right foot to start out on is it? Tut tut.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pity its not available on the Internet as we could all have a good laugh at the RG tossers.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its got to be better than FIBS made bfbs look professional mr so and so and dog gets on a flight at goose green:)
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40 Dotty - “The islands belong to the province of Tierra del Fuego Argentina”
Jul 06th, 2013 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remind me, Dotty, when (and how) did Tierra del Fuego become a part of Argentina, and when did it become a province?
(In case you can't remember, it was around the 1870's, by military conquest of the indigenous population, and became a province in 1990)
TWIMC
Jul 06th, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Daily, at 03:00 GMT....
Information Bulletin in English for the Kelpers.....
From Rio Grande, Tierra del Fuego, Patagonia, Argentina.....
http://www.radionacional.com.ar/vivo/28-lra-24-radio-nacional-rio-grande.html
A good little app
Jul 06th, 2013 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://tunein.com/radio/Browse-Locations-r0/
http://tunein.com/radio/Browse-Locations-r0/
http://tunein.com/radio/Browse-Locations-r0/
(56) Islander1
Jul 06th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
“ Nobody here has heard it - noe of us know the frequency anyway.....”
I say...:
Calling Malvinas...
Daily at midnight...
AM 640 Khz.
PS..:
I know for a fact about some Kelpers listeners ;-)
Perhaps instead of flogging this dead horse, and wasting the Argentine taxpayers money, CFK should be looking after the ACTUAL Argentine population.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1598776-por-falta-de-medicos-cerraron-la-guardia-del-hospital-eva-peron-de-san-martin
And then of course there is the humiliation of keeping the ARA Libertad docked and cancelling the annual 'training' mission.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1598776-por-falta-de-medicos-cerraron-la-guardia-del-hospital-eva-peron-de-san-martin
Or what about the impending strikes from the workers who are fed up of funding CFK's and her 'winged' monkey's extravagant lifestyle, and expensive overseas trips to bitch on about a subject that isn't urgent or pressing, instead of sorting out the VERY pressing problems Argentina is facing NOW, TODAY?
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1598776-por-falta-de-medicos-cerraron-la-guardia-del-hospital-eva-peron-de-san-martin
But no, let the people starve, whilst the government send an expensive propaganda radio signal to a community that won't even bother tuning into, or that the British Military could block with ease, if they had the mind to do so.
“”I know for a fact about some Kelpers listeners“”
Jul 06th, 2013 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0erm... so what?
DO you think that --... oh, forgot, no you dont.
:-0
TWIMC
Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of our ”Young Turks”, freshly arrived to Patagonia from London, England has just drawn my attention to a little paragraph they and their young English colleagues agreed on inserting in page 11 of the Y8 Summit Final Communiqué …..., just under the nose of William Hague and his Foreign & Colonial Office....:
http://www.youthdiplomaticservice.com/
”Theme 2: STABILITY, GLOBAL GOVERNANCE AND UNDERSTANDING.
Topic 1: Transparency in Governance.
Point 10: We encourage dialogue as the way to find a peaceful and long-term solution to the issues around the Falklands/Malvinas Islands.”
http://www.youthdiplomaticservice.com/
I luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv young people
Chuckle chuckle©…..
@66 - Think
Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle, chuckle.
A long term peaceful solution is what every one wants. That does not mean Argentine sovereingty, in fact it means the exact opposite.
Whislt you were chuckling to yourself, perhaps you should have thought of the implications.
The ONLY country to have EVER used a non-peaceful means over the Falklands is ARGENTINA. The only country to continue to use AGGRESSIVE and NON-PEACEFUL attitude towards the Falklands is ARGENTINA.
So this statement is actually aimed at Argentina (chuckle, chuckle).
Soon Argentina will disappear up it's own arse.
It has no money, no food, no fuel, no respect, no pride, no hospitals, no infrastructure.
It's a good job you don't live in Argentina, isn't is Think? I mean, fancy not being able to walk into a shop and BUY whatever you like. Fancy being rationed.
Fancy the government STEALING all the farmers produce.
Argentina is fecked, and it's all their own fault. Chuckle Chuckle.
#66
Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why does Argentina keep refusing when dialogue is offered ?
Timmerman had his chance when in London but refused.
Point 10 does not specify dialogue between the UK and Argentina only ! A distinctly ambiguous statement which can mean anything. No backing for Argentina here.
I don't think the F&CO will raise any objections to this statement. We do not brainwash our opinions into our youth.....like some other country I could name.
“Calling the Malvinas: Argentine news broadcast in English from Rio Grande”
Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These Argentines are funny.
Mind you these catholics are used to talking to god and getting no answer so this radio broadcast must be a bit like that.... Only without all the “Hail Mary's”
@ Think
Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If both sides recognised that there was merit in each other's positions then negotiations could lead to compromise. The problem is that both sides are “confident” of their own claim and shared sovereignty is no-one's desired outcome. Therefore this is a simple sovereignty dispute that requires legal resolution at the ICJ. After that we can proceed quickly to a “peaceful” outcome, which would be either Argentina accepting the status quo, or, the FIs being forced to accept colonial rule from BA. Not going to the court just means status quo anyway, so, your call. Therefore, since broadcasting propaganda is not the same as going to the ICJ then that also just means status quo.
@40 Sorry, Dotty. You don't have a clue. Here's the real basis. In 1982, YOU started a war. You managed a temporary “presence” on the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. Then WE came along and kicked your sorry arses. Never mind anything that went before, those events ALONE make all those territories OURS. In order to protect OUR territory and OUR people we have a small garrison, a few combat aircraft and a couple of naval vessels. That you know about. Anything under the surface of the sea is nobody's business except OURS. And one more thing. All the history back to 1690 proves that WE were right to go to the Falkland Islands in 1982 and beat you shitless. Don't make us come again. Ever seen what a salvo of 30 cruise missiles can do?
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@61 Sorry, girlie. The FALKLAND ISLANDS already have a radio station. Still, feel free to use the electrical power you don't have.
@63 Hahahahahahahaha. And how do you “know for a fact”, girlie? Now, here's a thought for you. I reckon that FALKLAND ISLANDERS live like country people. “Early to bed, early to rise”. So who's going to stay up until midnight to listen to a broadcast from The Dark Country?
@66 Oh, how yummy. And this makes a difference.......how? This may come as a surprise to you, but British policies are made by grown-ups. Let me tell you what happens now. The grown-ups read the “final communique”, pat the little boys and girls on the head and tell them that things are different in the “real world”. There is no evidence that this talking shop has ever contributed anything useful. Because they are children. Maybe they “resonate” with CFK. She's pretty childish. But, you really getting quite desperate, aren't you? You don't live in argieland. You spout the “government” propaganda. You divert. You ignore. Because you have NO answers and NO credibility. I used to “think” you might be quite intelligent. Now I know better. You really must get Tinboy's scripwriters to give you better material.
@70 Redrow: An intelligent comment and I am in much part agreement.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I think that to negotiate, you have to talk.
In a negotiation both parties win and lose.
If no agreement could be reached between the parties, can “agree” to take the case to the International Court of Justice.
For now, find a solution method (any) not possible because UK refuses to dialogue.
@18 Steveu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gb8JUbtk6U Wonderful!!!
Leda Soto, who anchors this programme, also has a programme during the day which is aimed at remembering the 1982 war!!!!!!!
Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just what you Islanders need, I suppose!!!!!!!!!
@73 ”For now, find a solution method (any) not possible because UK refuses to dialogue.“
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a pathetic liar you are, Malvi. Who was waiting for Timmerman in London? The Islanders and Hague. Who like a true coward did the ”perp fast-walk-away” when confronted with democratically elected representatives of the Islands during the same visit. That would be Timmerman. You fascists can't cope with free people staring you in the face unless you're holding a gun to their heads just as you pathetic cowards tried in 82.
@72 Malvinense 1833
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Gov position is “they look forward to talking to Argentina about areas of mutual interest, in a situation where Argentina has accepted the truth about the history of the region, and recognises the rights of the Islanders today”.
Waiting on Argentina.
@73 Malvi
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman was offered and refused dialogue in London this year as
@74 GFace has pointed out.
You talk about both sides having to compromise, but Argentina cannot get over the fact that democratically elected officials from the FIG have a right to be there.
Ban ki Moon has said that the people of the Non self governing territories get to decide their futures.
My question to you is why has Timmerman refused dialogue?
Is he scared of Falkland Islanders?
76 Pete Bog
Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Laughing boy timerman is scared..... As a nation they have picked on and picked on the Falkland islanders... To be confronted with or having to sit a room with the people that he has denied ever exsisted must be his idea of hell on Earth.
Plus the fact that this is one group of people who do not, will not tolerate his lies.
I believe the man is sh*tting himself.
Dotto
Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. You demonstrate a remarkable combination of ignorance and arrogance.
2. Argentines do nothing to express 'respect and appreciation' for us.
3. Why did nobody ask us if we would like a radio broadcast from Argentina? Do you believe this needs to be imposed on us?
You seem to be suffering from delusions based on Argentine mythology and propoganda. Clear your head, you fool.
(78) honoria
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is imposing anybody on you......
Just don't tune on “Calling Malvinas”, 640 Khz. AM, daily at midnight... ;-)
Regards
El Think
@68Clyde15:
Jul 06th, 2013 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why does Argentina keep refusing when dialogue is offered”.
False pride. There is power in being a victim and persuading others with similar beliefs that they have something in common. The 'solidarity of the aggrieved' one might say. Being obsessed with past, perceived, injustices means never having to deal with the present or plan for the future. Cultures that both survive and thrive are ones that evolve.
I wonder if Argentina really wants to sit down and negotiate. In all their disputes they invariably raise the stakes so high they leave the other party(s) no room to negotiate anything! It's a form of self-destructiveness - a cycle actually.
Personally I think they should just give Dr Phil a call.
This really merits songs to commemorate the event and to link to the highest levels of government. For example, for von Ribbentrop, the Foreign Minister, a theme tune from the Ramones, Cretin Hop.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ymeuOz0hZU
And for his boss, the same band:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ymeuOz0hZU
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Jul 06th, 2013 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what all the fuss is about, Argentinean TV has been broadcasting to the UK for years...
Jul 06th, 2013 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD5mq9hTMfA
@82 Dot, your lies are no less false in spanish than they are when written in english. The UN has made NO statement that the Islands are Argentine. The UN only recognizes a dispute which you refuse to take to the ICJ & you even lack the courage to meet with the people you insist on colonizing. Argentina was EXPLICITLY ordered to leave the Islands in 1982 -- those UNSC resolutions, the ONLY ~binding~ resolutions on the case, make it clear that AR was to leave the Islands. The Islanders have no right to self-determination? Spoken like a true fascist and a liar to boot. Yes, in 1982 you maliciously deprived them of any self-determination by forcing your Dirty War down their throats. The British armed forces gave that fundamental human right back to them -- and ironically to you since it finally inspired you to get rid of the Junta who let you down by losing the islands (since you cheered them in April). But the UNGA has explicitly said that self-determination belongs to ALL people -- the people of the Falklands (and Gibraltar) were NOT excluded despite the best but nakedly dishonest efforts of Spain and Argentina and honestly it amazes me how often you Malvanistas tell that lie through your teeth over and over and over again here when it is so explicitly clear in records that anyone can google.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I really don't care if they kneel before the queen, high-five her or fondly smack her on the bottom. That is their choice and they have the liberty to do it just as you have the liberty to publish independent data on inflation -- oh, wait you don't (Sad that...). But it's a level of traditional ceremony like your presidents (boy or girl) wearing beauty queen sashes or US elected officials swearing on bibles (it's “ceremonial deism” we're told) or judges almost everywhere in the West wearing black evening gowns before noon. More still, it's further distraction from your government's distraction when it is in trouble which you STILL fall for even after 1982!
(80) Heisenbergcontext
Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say…:
”Personally I think they should just give “Dr. Phil” a call.”
I say…:
I do not know if you did it willingly or not, but you certainly did hit the nail’s head with this one…...............
You ”Think” that, to solve Argentina’s English Colonial problem, we should call “Dr. Phil”…..?
I reckon that, in order to resolve our human rights challenges we should watch “24 Hours”…..?
Maybe even get inspired to unravel our poverty or social predicaments by gazing at “Beverly Hills 90210”.....?
Hollywood brainwash anybody?
Uk is happy to talk its just not going to do what Argentina wants.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina unfortunatly comes to the table with nothing no threats, no money, and not wanted by the islanders
Argentina give us the islands
Uk why?
Argentina because we wants it
Uk what about the islanders?
Argentina they dont count
Uk Actually being white they sort of do so go away as your weak and poor we can ignore you.
@85Think:
Jul 07th, 2013 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well it would be worth a laugh or two don't you think? Texan bluntness, British reserve and Latin melodrama. A trifecta! Perhaps a reality T.V. show even! I'd definitely tune in for that.
Dotto - nice to see you back answering some comments - could you answer mine @60.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say the Islands are part of the Tierra del Fuego province, and that they are Argentinian by right, not by invasion. So how did TdF become part of Argentina, and then a Province. The answer is by military invasion and conquest in the 1870s and then by decree in 1990.
If it is OK to gain territory by conquest, then even if that is how UK came to own the Falklands (which I do not accept), then it is OK for them to keep them. If it is not OK to take territory by conquest, then when are you handing back TdF to the original inhabitants - when you do, maybe you will have a basis to argue from (oops, too late, you killed them all........)
@88 mollymauk
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0You won't see Dotto again on this thread. You've destroyed their argument, so like all malivinistas, they'll crawl away until they can bring up EXACTLY the same points on a different thread.
Their point will be challenged and shown to be erroneous or completely outrageous, and they'll slink away again until the next thread.
They are, if nothing, consistent.
I miss pirat-hunter. He used to be very amusing, especially when he started ranting - which, now that I think about it, was always.
(87) Heisenbergcontext
Jul 07th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dr.Phil and the English against Argentina?
That would be as fun as one of those fixed Australian Cricket matches, mate.
(Or playing rugger against England with only English Match Officials...... if you catch my drift.......)
90 Think:
Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Subversive...inscrutable...disingenuous - any of those words ring a bell?
( Don't watch much rugby - we leave it to those weird people in N.S.W. & QLD )
Moody and Lep
Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's all explained in the official archives of the Republic.
The indigious population of TDF, not peoples, held an Internatinally recognised, no UN then, referenda and unanimously voted, 98% I believe the figure was, to become part of Argentina?
Woo Hoo!!!
Jul 07th, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Completely unrelated but Andy Murray has won Wimbledon!!!
@82
Jul 07th, 2013 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dotto
“@ 41 The Islanders are not part of the problem or the solution.”
According to the defunct resolution 2065 they are.
According to Ban ki Moon they are.
According to the UN Charter they are.
According to the UN's own objectives on de-colonisation they are.
Your problem is that they have held a legal referendum-it is legal because Argentina did not challenge it-in which the Islanders chose not to be Argentine.
And as they were the people that were born on the Islands, the opinion of anyone else not born and living on those islands is toothless.
I'll tell you one thing-the Argentines are not part of the solution, as they refuse to talk.
@72 You're missing the point. As usual. There is NOTHING to negotiate. There has been NOTHING to negotiate since 14 June 1982. Forget everything they told you in your compulsory lectures at “school”. If you don't believe me, get your “government” to go to the ICJ NOW!
Jul 07th, 2013 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82 Dotty. What “arguments”? You have no valid ones. This subject has been hashed and rehashed on here for years. When you have a VALID point or argument, we'll listen. I don't mean the UK. I mean WE, here. So far, EVERY argie point and argument has been refuted. That includes the papal bull of 1493, the Treaty of Tordesillas, the “claim” that the Islands were Spanish, the “claim” that argieland “inherited” the Islands from Spain, the action by a pirate in 1820, the illegal actions of Vernet, the lies about what happened in 1832/33, the “typical” argie lies about the Arana-Southern Treaty, the additional lies by Peron and his cronies, including Hitler. Now I'm just about to report your comment for breaching the rules of this board.
@79 Think
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this radio station genuinely wished to offer us a service they would have asked us first. They didn't therefore are broadcasting for their own purposes, not ours.
Who in this digital age needs to sit up until midnight to listen to news of a nation imploding?
@73 Malvinese1833
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice link - we may not agree on many things but good music is universal!
(96) Honoria
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
Who in this digital age needs to sit up until midnight to listen to news of a nation imploding?
I say....:
Careful, lass.................
You just gave some 1,500 Kelpers a magnificent reason to sit up until midnight to listen to “Calling Malvinas”, 640 Khz. AM, daily at 00:00 hrs... ;-)
92 reality check:
Jul 07th, 2013 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry I didn't really understand your post. Can you or LEPRecon or mollymauk explain that again... or anyone else that thinks they can put it in similar terms?
@91 Heisenbergcontext: “Don't watch much rugby- we leave it to those weird people in N.S.W. & QLD”
What about act? Very superficial Thinko...green machine and the geegees.
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Latest news in from Argenweena:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0
No mention of Andy Murray or the Lions in the sports report.
@96
Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Who in this digital age needs to sit up until midnight to listen to news of a nation imploding?”
Hold on I think I'm missing something here.
Are they actually transmitting it when no one is likely to be listening?
I sense another laugh here.
I must thank Argentina for providing all the humorous entertainment that they do so well.
Unfortunately Joe Strummer is dead; he could have done a guest version of London Calling ... he was great on parody: Argentina Calling!
Jul 08th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you, as you get older, his Before I Grow Too Old (Silver And Gold), recorded with the Mescaleros, speaks to me like few other songs.
[One to share with Think]
July 9, 2013
Jul 09th, 2013 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0197 years of Independence Argentina
Malvinas Islands Argentinas
Viva La Patria!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUSnHHffh70
#102
Jul 09th, 2013 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of crap! Some whining Argie wailing a dirge about some mythical place called the Malvinas. Nul points !
@ 100 Pete Bog
Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose the next laugh will be the 'official listening audience' figures.
@104, they'll make a crime to tell the truth about the “official listening audience figures.” While fascists fear people voting and other people hearing about it more than anything, the next monster in line under the their bed is the fear that no one is listening to the ~them~.
Jul 09th, 2013 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Viva Argentina
Jul 09th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkands, South Georgia, South Sandwich and Antartica!
All part of the Republic.
Except for one tiny, tiny, tiny, problem.
They are most deffinately not.
Still! Do not let a minor little detail such as the truth spoil your celebrations.
Viva la patria!
Viva a load of nutters more like!
@104
Jul 09th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Issued by INDEC?
The listening figures will be touted as millions as everybody in Patagonia tunes in.
It makes me laugh that the radio station information is Spanish.
OK a lot of Islanders know Spanish, but it not being their primary language, (especially if they think the Islanders are going to communicate with the station), this is a bit self defeating surely? It's like a huge cluster f**k, like Argentina.
Its like Lord Haw Haw spewed all this fascist crap during WW2 as @1 indicated and all the listeners tuned in just to show the Agincourt sign to the radio and laugh.
And you can bet your bottom Peso that the Argentines actually believe the Islanders will listen to Corned beef Kate and her mates and believe everything they say, they're that stupid.
Their radio station would be better if it was run by Beavis and Butthead.
If it is to be beamed to TFI, only a moron would beam it in Spanish.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@108 GeoffWard2: “If it is to be beamed to TFI, only a moron would beam it in Spanish.”
Jul 10th, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish it is then!
@14 When I lived in Singapore I picked up Radio Pyongyang on short wave for a dose of unreality - nowadays I can watch Press TV from Iran online.
Jul 10th, 2013 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reminds me of the propaganda station set up by the Foreign Office pretending to be from Argentina with people speaking Spanish with Colombian accents.
http://www.psywarrior.com/Falklands.html
Maybe this will have Argentines speaking English with American accents pretending to be 'Voice of Free Britain' broadcasting from London - but using 'Malvinas' will be a giveaway.
Sorry, Her Majesty Clowns!! The UK government does not care about the islanders, only interested in the oil of the islands. This is reality. That is the policy that they have continued with their inhabitants. Historical policy for islanders.
Jul 11th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#111
Jul 11th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A new troll?
You would not know reality if it bit you on your Argie. culo.
So, give us your reasoned argument as to why we should believe the nonsense you have just posted. Thank you in anticipation.
The only reason YOU want it is for the oil, which some of your posters say does not exist in commercially extractable quantities.
Putting all the patriotic sentiment aside for one moment.....
Jul 11th, 2013 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yesterday , the domestic airport , Aeroparque ,was paralysed by a computer malfunction .All but 2 flights out of 60 were cancelled .Every other day , it's a strike that stops the flights .That's assuming Aerolineas could even afford or be bothered with flights to the islands , The Argentine Navy has no ships , the Air Force has no planes and the scientists on Marambio were close to starving because they could not be re-supplied .
If the Islands ever came under Argentine control , the population would literally starve too .
Can you Malvinista's not understand that is why no one on the islands would even contemplate wanting to be part of Argentina ?
The only government office would be AFIP , there to tax the shirts off people's backs and then leave again.
Troll all you like , but it won't happen in any of our lifetimes . It's merely a distraction to keep you banging on about something that will not change your life one bit .
Why don't you go and help old ladies with their shopping , or their gardens , or help the Qom up north , if you are so community minded .
@111
Jul 12th, 2013 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK government does not care about the islanders, only interested in the oil of the islands”
So interested in the oil that the Falkland Islanders issue the licenses and agreements with the exploration companies?
The UK government cares a lot more about the islanders than the Argentine government cares about Argentines.
The reality and specificity of this is that The Argentine government does not care about the Islanders or Argentinians -only interested in the oil of the islands because they can't get their own oil out of the ground so want to steal it off people that can extract it.
@102 Gracias for the praise
Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations on your independence anniversary. I'm sure it makes you appreciate independence and liberty from a bullying neighbour.
@ 111 Dotto
Jul 13th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, the oil/gas in Falklands waters belongs to the Islanders.
We are more interested in the oil/gas in S Georgia/Sandwich Islands and Antarctica that all belongs to us.
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