MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Piscator incident: Spain says fishing vessel was operating eight miles outside Argentina’s EEZ
The Spanish government believes an “error of appreciation” was committed in the incident involving the Galician trawler “Piscator” captured this week in the South Atlantic allegedly operating in Argentine waters. Spain is hopeful that the situation will be resolved in “coming hours”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina lying?
Jul 06th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely not!
Oh wait....
Aren't these matters of fact with GPS? How can it be disputed by either side?
Jul 06th, 2013 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 02 britworker. I was going to ask the same question? GPS should sort this out!. Saying that the spanish have been fishing off West Sahara stealing the natural resource's of the Western Sahara’s native Saharawi population for years. So a little bit of trouble for the Spanish fishing fleet is just karma. Oh I do love it when the EU isn't doing the right thing :/
Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes GPS reports from both sides should be published - BUT - Argentina does not always use a line that follows their coastline to mark the limits - they often go straight line point to point across a big bay(bahia) and then 200 miles off that line - so if you are 208 miles off the actual coastline in a big bay say 10 miles deep - Argentina will say you are 2 miles INSIDE thier limit.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Probably illegal and an abuse of standard Int rules - but since when has Argentina paid much notice of such things - and if they have the ship in port - the Spanish will have to pay up regardless of what the Int Law says.
What a dreadful way to treat you former colonial masters
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps they want to confiscate the trawler, well it can float so the AR Navy are very interested.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOLs
@4 Worth reading UNCLOS to see how the “limits” should be determined. For example: “3. For the purpose of measurement, the area of an indentation is that lying between the low-water mark around the shore of the indentation and a line joining the low-water mark of its natural entrance points. Where,
Jul 06th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0because of the presence of islands, an indentation has more than one mouth,
the semi-circle shall be drawn on a line as long as the sum total of the lengths
of the lines across the different mouths. Islands within an indentation shall
be included as if they were part of the water area of the indentation.” and there's more. Not easy, is it?
http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf
7- quite right - add in the fact that it is Argentina- and any sensible fisherman keeps well clear of “grey” areas.
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(4) Islander1
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You rightly say that Argentina, as most other Countries in the World uses the Centroid Calculation Method to delimit its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ)……
What method do you English Squatters in Malvinas use?
Don’t be shy…… Give me a guess……..
You don’t know…..?
Well, let’s have a look at the map then.
http://www.marineregions.org/gazetteer.php?p=details&id=8389
Surprise, surprise……
You English squatters in Malvinas use the Centroid Calculation Method as well.
Chuckle chuckle©
LOL
Jul 06th, 2013 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@8islander
Jul 06th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“7- quite right - add in the fact that it is Argentina- and any sensible fisherman keeps well clear of “grey” areas.”
A bit 'unfriendly' of Argentina towards fellow Iberians - 'Zero Tolerance', no benefit of doubt?
Maybe over the 'line', maybe not?
Were they caught 'fishing' or not?
Nets in the water? No, that would have been eagerly mentioned, right?
Not really cut and dried is it?
Sounds 'fishy', but then the Spanish do have a reputation.
Is it enough to definitely convict them?
Ooooooops……
Jul 06th, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, the Spanish fishing company is saying that it was just a “Little Mistake” and that it was “No Intentional”….
http://www.farodevigo.es/mar/2013/07/06/caso-seria-pequeno-error-hubo/841092.html
Chuckle chuckle©
When you get two liars in the same room,
Jul 06th, 2013 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You aint got no chance of the truth ever being decided.
Besides they were in the wrong,
No, you were,
No, you were,
Ect ect…lol
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Think,
Jul 06th, 2013 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not my field I accept but I recall a Spanish/FJ joint trawler was nabbed similar a few years ago and they -and the company here- were convinced they were outside but it was some strange Arg version of where you start from that caught them.
Actually it is a damn silly trawler that goes anywhere within 10 miles of a national limit of any country for just that reason - all they do is make lawyers loads of money on both sides when caught - I do not have a lot of sympathy for the Piscator in this incident with current knowledge. Agree with your last comment.
A bit like the silly Koreans who despite having satellite trackers onboard, monitored from here, thought they could sneak out of our waters and into the edge of yours without being caught!
Well…well….well….
Jul 07th, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish Fishermen Association wants the European Union to intervene in defense of them poachers now……….. adducing that the “problem” is not about fisheries but yet another chapter of the sovereignty conflict between Argentina and England over the Malvinas Islands….
http://www.abc.es/agencias/noticia.asp?noticia=1453395
Its a local matter, and spain must deal with it by its self.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@15
Jul 07th, 2013 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, that is a surprising tactic, I wonder where they learned that from?
@12 No, that isn't what they said. They said “In any case, it would be a small mistake.” Something wrong with your translation programme?
Jul 07th, 2013 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 Oh, dear. Desperate for something to twist, are you? Aetinape are simply looking for an effective method of reining the argies in. Not surprising considering how much notice argies took of the Spanish government over the YPF theft.
Now I've been considering this and it occurs to me that argies don't have a good record with electrical and electronic equipment. Off the top of my head, I recall bombs not detonating because fuses weren't set properly, torpedoes that didn't run properly because the power supply to the gyros was reverses, a submarine where its fire control computer failed just after it sailed, the corvette Espora that had to spend 73 days at Simonstown due to malfunctioning generators. Then the fire aboard the Almirante Irizar started in the vessel's generator room!
(14) Islander1
Jul 07th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say….:
”….. I recall a Spanish/FJ joint trawler was nabbed similar a few years ago and they -and the company here- were convinced they were outside but it was some strange Arg version of where you start from that caught them…..”
I say…:
Wouldn’t that be the poacher ship “John Cheek”, would it?
Any relation to sweet Kelperette MLA Jan Cheeck ? ;-)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QiTvYY7exr4/UdmA3pJnNWI/AAAAAAAAF3I/EatOZwIwBpo/s1600/Nueva+capture+mark+Fique.JPG
That would be the same JOHN CHEEK, that is owned, wait for it...............
Jul 07th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By a SPANISH Company, would it? El Think.
What we need is a version of the tennis adjudicator Hawkeye.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then the umpire can raise his finger and sat “Out!” or “In!”
But even then, there will be nations that will 'do a McEnroe'.
(Well played, del Potro of Arg.; but it is Championship Point to the Brit.)
My patrol car had GPS and other “modern” systems like a black box installed in it.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never stoppped the control room calling me and asking me my location.
Once asked them to check their screen and tell me where they had me located.
The answer. In the middle of the wash half way between Skeggy and Hunson, 20 miles from my actual location.
To this day they still call with, “what is your location, over.”
My point! Technology is a wonderful thing, when it works properly!!!!
(21) GeoffWard2
Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A “World Hawkeye” would, indeed be nice..........
Ain't Mr. McEnroe quite “interwebbed” with the “Haughty” Anglosphere?
(Well played, Murray; I like Djokovic tennis better, but todayhe met a better player)
These two “Arjuntina and Spain” derserve one another...Spain has a long history of poaching..Arjuntina has a long history of lying...sooo there ya go...!
Jul 07th, 2013 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that think. I am pleased for the lad, just shows never give up on your dreams, they may come true. That's called feeding a line by the way!
Jul 07th, 2013 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ships etc have their own 'Hawkeye' in geocentric orbit.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I am backing away from gps for human beings; distrust the concept of locating people 'to the sq. metre'.
Imagine:
Big Brother would know exactly when I was 'on the loo' or on the golfcourse (“Tell James I'm too ill to come in to work”).
It's just too easy to tie in the drone strike to electronic location;
it just needs compulsory implant-tagging at birth (is this where we are going? ... Heaven help us all!).
It makes me shudder ... could I handly any better the 'nakedness' - the psychological vulnerability - than those risking attending wedding parties in Pakistan.
Imagine.
All that is happened is that time has moved on.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's no different from the days when the GPO would pass on your mail, or route your telephone call to MI5.
It's always gone on?
You are right to be worried though, I thought the idea of taking DNA from all new borns particular disturbing. It has its place, but not from birth!
Think - that was it indeed- the John Cheek - joint Spanish owned. Actually it was I recall prettty crystal claear she had not crossed an Int. recognized line - but once the Argentines have you - law and rights go out the window as we know. Wonder whose offshore bank accounts the fines went into?
Jul 07th, 2013 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Spain trying to get the EU involved and sort of blaming it on the Islands and Uk etc - just shows the Spanish are perhaps on dodgy ground - or position at sea!
@28islander
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As for Spain trying to get the EU involved and sort of blaming it on the Islands and Uk etc - just shows the Spanish are perhaps on dodgy ground - or position at sea!”
The Spanish Captain was after all, the Master of his own vessel, and responsible for its actions.
He did allow himself to be caught by Argentina.
In short, as a professional Master, he alone is responsible for respecting foreign jurisdictions and knowing where his vessel was in relation to those. He knows about erring on the side of caution, the prudent thing to do.
The vessel is accountable for its own actions, or should be.
The vessel is accountable for its own actions, but is frequently used as a political pawn in a larger game ... consider the South China Sea incidents.
Jul 07th, 2013 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British know all about the greater game, having played and lost in the waters around Iceland.
30 Geoff
Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not the UK's problem - Spain and Argentina can create a problem between themselves then, if they wish
As for GPS being used for telling if you are on the loo, even military grade GPS can only pinpoint your location to within a metre so in most cases they cannot tell if you are on the loo or washing your hands, obviously this protection doesn't apply to Argentina where you can pretty much rule out hand washing.
Jul 08th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol
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