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Over a third of Argentine population in poverty conditions says food and nutrition report

Monday, July 8th 2013 - 06:46 UTC
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At least 17.8% of the Argentine population lives in indigence conditions, taking as reference a ‘Healthy Food Basket’ which estimates family monthly needs in 3.700 Pesos which is more that five times the official stats office Indec reference sum of 730 Pesos. Read full article


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  • LEPRecon

    Well when the government tells you that you can only live on 7 pesos a day, is anyone really surprised at this.

    I expect the usual trolls to post on here soon, no doubt ordered by their La Campora paymasters to DEFLECT, DEFLECT, DEFLECT.

    So they'll change the subject or start with the 'whataboutery'.

    Should be interesting to read how they're going to spin this one.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    I think you will find that Argentina thinks you can live on 24 pesos a day, or $3.

    Presumably they assume you hunt for your own food, live in a bivouac, drink rain water and never need medical treatment.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The poor used to eat pasta and bread to fill-up.
    Now what do they eat?
    I seem to remember someone talking about tree bark soup,

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    This is a surprise. It seems that a poor, broke “country” can't feed itself. Has the “government” stolen the wheat yet? Wonder if the farmers will do the sensible thing and plant even less wheat? Will we get to see CFK, Tinboy and Morono out “scattering the seeds”?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Biguggy

    Surely you are not suggesting that the Government figures could be inaccurate, are you?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    This is really serious.
    No crowing about how less mucked-up our economy is.
    We've problems but nothing like this.
    How accurate is this data?
    None of us want to see such a desperate situation.
    Now just for the Trolls, note how we are all sympathetic to your plight. No deflection about other subjects because the truth is unpalatable.
    No insulting your war dead or the victims of terrorism.
    Just a simple question. How on earth has it gotten so bad in Argentina?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    6 zathras


    Says it all.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Optimus_Princeps

    This is funny considering that a week ago I decided to reduce my intake of white flour to improve my health. Though, everyone I know loves picking up a warm loaf of bread to snack on during work hours.

    Facturas, medialunas, bollos, pasta, empanadas, etc. will be more expensive. Usually the corrupt stop at the point where they can leave the laziest portion of the population watching TV and ignoring everything around them.

    The K's are such an oppressive presence that complacency is not an option. I stand by my bet earlier this year that Cristina won't make it to the end of the year.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Think.... Is this true? What do you 'Think' has caused this state of affairs? Is it the nasty yanquis and nasty Brits? Or, is it ineptitude, greed, corruption and disorganisation? Would you like us to come ans sort things out for you?

    Why is the Falklands problem of such concern when you have problems like this on your doorstep?

    Answers please? Or perhaps Marcos would like to offer a few helpful insults?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll


    “How on earth has it gotten so bad in Argentina?”

    It hasn't. You are just drinking the Mercopress/opposition cool-aid.

    Is it so hard for you to believe that the anti CFK forces and media over-dramatize and fudge numbers just as much as CFK herself does? Why is so hard to believe this? It happens all over the world, quite honestly.

    If things are so bad in Argentina, why hasn't the street exploded a la Brazil, Middle East, India, other parts of Latin America, etc? You yourselves claim CFK has no money to bribe, so if people are starving and they are not being bribed to keep quiet, what's keeping them quiet?

    So keep your sympathy, we know it is neither real nor warranted.

    The poverty rate is 25%, not 35% like the opposition claims not 7% like CFK dreams it is.

    That is the truth and that is the end of the story. Yes, all of you here are wrong simply because you are not impartial.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    6 media lunas (croisants) cost ARS9.50
    1 cup of white coffee costs ARS14.00
    The cost of the plate of the day is ARS45.00

    All the above prices are from a working man's restaurant in my home town in Patagonia.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    La Campora is made up of the organizations (quebracho etc) that used to violently protest, they get paid to keep quiet.
    CFK can print as many pesos as she wants
    It's real money she is lacking, well not personally.

    Your $20Peso bread is like me spending U$96!! Is $20P a lie for bread? the answer is NO and that really answers it all without using stats.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Anyone ever heard of 20 peso bread? It would seem Yankeeboy claims to knows local prices at the supermarket than say Simon, who just came back from the store.

    No arrogating hubris assumed, right?

    You can get Havanna or Starbucks coffee for 23 in Mendoza, of course much cheaper at the confiterias. 14 for a cup of coffee is a lot. Patagonian prices are significantly higher.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh sorry it's $30 peso facturas.

    $29.9 x Kg

    BTW that $14 peso coffee was $2 when I lived there full time.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    walk in any market on Arenales or Montevideo, or on the main avenue on Santa Fe. Get off your mommas tits. Sucking her tits all your life is welfare tobi boi

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Well, gasoline was 0.90 cents in your coutry just 12 years ago or so.

    .90 to 4.00 today

    But Americans didn't get at 400% pay increase since then... then add all that which is carried by gas: groceries, heating, etc. And then add medical prices, and then add rent prices, and the rest.

    Doesn't sound too good there either.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yeah ok, everything you listed goes into our reported inflation numbers already and they're practically nothing yoy.

    NOBODY talks about inflation here, nobody.

    Plus you keep forgetting we were in a recession and now we are not. You were in a “sugar induced” economic high and now in recession for 2 yrs.

    You have the worst most and complicated economic problem imaginable STAGFLATION. There is no fixing it in the short term. Only devaluation and hyperinflation until there is a depression. Then prices will come back into alignment.

    Your $14 coffee is equivalent to the USA paying u$13 for coffee! Starbucks a block from my house a regular medium coffee is U$2.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    Most of the US opposition and even many in the democrats claim the US fudges its numbers, and that unemployment and poverty are MUCH higher than listed.

    It only takes a primary school education to figure out that if something you MUST have (Americans must have gasoline) goes from 0.90 to 4.00 in 10 years, but your salary goes from 14 to 16 an hour, that you are no where near as wealthy as before (and again then add all other expenses like food going up, and medical insurance, and property insurance, all through the roof in the USA because of recent catastrophes). It is clear people are FAR worse off today than a decade ago and the last recession just made it that much worse.

    But... I do not drink coffee.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    GAsoline is a poor comparative for you argument tobi. Gas is an international commodity that cannot be controlled internally. Compare something useful like bread, eggs, beef or bread to twelve years ago.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    You are the one who used coffee as an example. I was just pointing out how ridiculously out of whack your economy is compared to the USA.

    Since you've never been here you have a hard time understanding how we live. No not everyone uses gasoline, there 10s of millions of people that live in large cities that use public transportation. Even I walk mostly everywhere and rarely use my car. I fill up maybe...maybe 6-8X year. So the price of gas to me is irrelevant.

    Lots of people lost lots of wealth during the recession. It will take some time to recover from it but we will. Home prices are up, stock prices are up, retirement accounts are up, again we have very little inflation and just about everyone I know has had their best 2 years the last 2 years in their lifetimes.

    Just look to the amount of illegal Rgs that COULD have and SHOULD HAVE gone home while we were in recession and you were having a supposed boom time. Most of them, 250K in MIAMI alone, ended up staying illegally! Being illegal in the USA is not fun but they must think it is a better life than they could get at home.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Starbucks prices are outrageous, a big Yankee rip off. The sheer size of the coffees is ridiculous too. Our answer is an aluminium cup in my wifes hand bag. Pour half the coffee in that, bingo, its half price!

    Stuff Starbucks!

    Anyway RGland is a failing state. Very soon its going to blow, just like Brazil, and the Junta will return..... Heads on spikes is normal in that part of the world, as are free aircraft trips (one way....)

    Wonder how it will end?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Starbucks is pricy here as well....however there darkroast is the tops. In terms of size.....give me a break, don't buy it. What I find ridiculous is when I am in Argentina, en jarrito's just doesn't cut's tiny meant for dwarf's to drink.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I used Starbucks because it is worldwide and easy to compare, it could be used much like the Big Mac Index.
    When I lived there just about everything was priced like it was in the USA, so $5 hamburger was U$5 here. It made sense.
    But now with the gov't trying to control some prices but not all everything is totally skewed like it was right before the last crash.
    For them to have to spend .4% of the avg wage for a coffee is flabbergasting!
    Most Rgs don't understand math or interest rates so I might as well be trying to explain it to my cat she'll probably catch on quicker.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    As far as I know, the most popular retail freight route is USA-Argentina, because so many Argentines do return home, unlike the other immigrants. I know someone that moved back to Cordoba and said many people do the same, they take their car/furniture/ with them.

    As for your usage of the expression “in Miami alone”, that is not very clever. I could say, there are thousands of Americans in Mendoza and BA alone... but that would be suggesting there far more elsewhere, but the vast majority live in those two towns.

    The vast majority of argies in the USA are in Miami, and lesser in New York. You have to get the NSA to track calls for years to find argies outside those two towns and maybe Los Angeles.

    Oh wait (NSA).

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My point was there are still A HUGE AMOUNT OF YOUR EXPAT population living ILLEGALLY here. They come to work not retire. BIG BIG BIG difference.
    Their choice is to live under the radar, in low skill, low wage jobs or live in your country.
    They made the same choice I did, live like a rock star in Arg or live like a regular guy in the USA. It was an easy choice.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    90% of those people left in a three year period in 2000-2002. Take that out of the picture and in 100 years less about 100k argies left for the USA (and that includes the Junta exiles).

    Hardly something worth noting either in the USA's population impact, or even as any indication of any very long term trend. It's just not there.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yeah ok, leave out the mass exodus and the reason Arg lost the visa waiver program.
    That makes sense
    Wouldn't they have gone back home sometime in the last decade if what you say is true, that it is horrible here and a paradise there? Logic is so inconvenient huh?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    You can twist things whichever way you want.

    If the USA is so great, then why do people go there just to work and then get the heck out of there? That is what many Europeans do. Why do so many Americans retire and get the heck out if it is so cheap and nice and safe? Speaking of logic.

    Second, many did go back home. Go to Miami and ask, at one point there was a part of town that was called New BA, I remember reading then. Just two years ago La Nacion went back to see the same area 10 years after: hardly a trace left of that period when it was full of stores and every other you found in the streets was argie.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Little Buenos Aires still exists in Miami, if you type in “Little Buenos Aires” Google maps takes you to North Miami Beach!

    Your posts are getting more and more nonsensical, we are a huge rich country our retired expat community is very small compared to our population only about 1MM estimated live out of the USA.

    Also the retirees tend to move from expensive to cheap, NYC-FL, LA-Phoenix. Some move out of the country but very very few permanently,
    I tried it, hated it and when I retire I will probably move to a small town in NC.
    The life in the USA is not for everyone the Rgs I knew that have tried it went home. They were mostly educated middle class and when they figured out they had to work in construction or as a bartender or waiter they moved back to their parents house but too many have stayed. Thank goodness they shut off the visa waiver program or we'd have been over run!

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Just who do you believe,
    The news says they starve,
    Their bloggers [who know better than anyone] deny this and state all is well and we are imagining things,

    Perhaps we should just let them get on with it,
    After all its their problem is it not..

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    29 yankeeboy

    But did you ever meet one of the mythical argie nuclear physisists, rocket scientists or any other scientific function so beloved of the trolls that came over to the USA?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yankee I understand from your posts that in general, you like a few others here hate Argentines, general speaking across the board. However I disagree with you regarding educated middleclass Argentines.
    Some of my friends/ wife's family are RG educated....a lawyer....several physicans, one surgeon and mostly MBA'd business managers. Upper middleclass by USA standards. Would you venture a guess as to what they work as in the USA? Exactly what they trained for. With all due respect to most of your opinion, I do believe that you are blinded by your hatred. Perhaps the middleclass you knew where not educated as they lead you to believe.
    BTW, while physical, construction workers around Boston can pull down 100k, perhaps chump change to NY'er's, but most of my family still living there consider that a very good wage. Not all of us Americans that post here are millions traveling the world weekly.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (6) zathras

    You ask….:
    ”Not insulting your war dead or the victims of terrorism…..
    Just a simple question…. How on earth has it gotten so bad in Argentina?”

    I answer…:
    ”Not insulting the war dead or the victims of terrorism is always a good start…..
    Simple answer is…..:
    It has NOT ”gotten so bad in Argentina”

    Let us see…………... shall we….:
    1) The above article is ”BASED” on a ”PAPER” written by two opposition candidates that say that they BASED their “PAPER“ on the findings of the ”University of Buenos Aires Nutritional School”…......

    2) The above article tells us that the “University of Buenos Aires Nutritional School” estimates that a typical family (Mom, dad, two kids, 9 &12 years) needs monthly some 3.700 AR$ to buy a “Healthy Food Basket”.

    That’s a downright LIE!
    “The University of Buenos Aires Nutritional School” findings are only about the (lousy) alimentary habits of us, Argentineans…..
    Don’t you believe me?...... Check it out…..:

    Using myself as an example…..
    a) I consider my dietary habits to be balanced, healthy and fairly expensive…..
    b) I don’t bereave myself (or the dogs) the lavishness of having what we like….(“Treats” as a tiny quart of Single Malt a fortnight, a yearly pound of first flush Darjeeling or an industrial bag of DentaStix are a must)......
    c) I reckon, my monthly food and beverage budget to be about 1,000 to 1,500 AR$..... (That’s including the 5K9s).......
    d) With the above “In Mente” I do “Think” that it is quite possible for a family of four in today's Argentina to acquire a ‘Healthy Food Basket’ for ~2,000 AR$ a month........

    Hope this answers your question.
    Best regards.
    El Think, Chubut, Patagonia, Argentina.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Nope! Doesn't at all. What are the K9s for - insurance when things go belly up - yum yum, the Chinese would surely approve!

    What about the 1/4 to 1/3 of the population apparently in poverty?

    A quart of single malt....that explains a lot, drowning our sorrows are we?

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • agent999

    13 The Truth PaTroll
    “we have seen the price of bread soared to $ 20 pesos per kilo”

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    “Yankee I understand from your posts that in general, you like a few others here hate Argentines, general speaking across the board.”

    So all this time all of you swore that I was lying when I said you must all hate argies... and you you all admit it freely?

    We could have saved so many round and round battles if you people had been forthright from the beginning.


    My post are fine, you are just getting slightly irascible.

    Anything you google could be 10 years old. It's not very up-to-date. As far as I have been told, most of Miami Beach has been taken over by rich Russian s.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    tobi, Yankee is still correct that your leaders have destroyed Argentina and it will take decades to undo the damage and looting that the kirchners and peronist have done. And he is also correct that Argentines do not care anymore.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    @ 11 Simon68

    I have just returned from a trip to Mendoza capital and have a couple of tickets.

    12 medialunas in an ordinary panaderia (Mil Hojas in c. Catamarca) was AR$ 20,00

    1 cortado mediano (1 dl coffee w/ milk) AR$ 14,00 in Paseo Sarmiento (ciudad); 10,50 in Godoy Cruz

    Menu del día/menu executivo (ordinary lunch menu including e.g. a coke) AR$ 45 to 60.

    Some prices in Mercado Central.

    Jamón cocido natural 1 kg (boiled ham): 164,00
    Milanesa de pollo 1 kg (breaded chicken breast): 32,00

    Some prices in Carrefour.

    Agua mi Villa del Sur 6 l (water): 17,95
    Azúcar Ledesma 1 kg (sugar): 7,27
    Detergente Magistral 0.6 liter: 15.56
    Huevos 1 docena (12 eggs): 12,00
    Arroz integral 1 kg (brown rice): 7.35
    Papel higiénico x 6 Higienol doble 50 m (toilet paper): 35.95

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I don't hate Argentinians far from it. Some of my best friends/clients are....

    I think some of the ones on this board are a bit dim witted but they are not like the ones I met while I lived there. I never, not once, ran into an Rg that didn't love and want to live in the USA. Not 1x in 5 yrs.

    Here they are all over and I don't get it. This site draws some nutty Rgs.

    I would never ever live there again. Never ever.

    BTW Toby google maps is very up to date.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy I think most RGs on this board are indoctrinated idiots. And I agree that even the RGs I ran into in Argentina, total strangers buying something in a market checking our say......“ you are an America.....we love America”. I really think the ones here are ones that cannot support themselves and envy success....or envy others that have opportunity to find success and blame everyone else but themselves for Argentina's failures and are too accepting of government corruption.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    TTT has based his hatred of all foreigners on the comments he sees on a website - he said so today. By the same token it would be quite wrong to assume all Argentines are like the few aggressive posters that inhabit this site sporadically.

    Most people in most places are not that different when face to face. Most people want the same things and share many of the same values.

    For the record, most of my Argentine friends and contacts are very, very worried.

    Jul 08th, 2013 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Well the Big Mac index in Chile is all screwed up. McDonalds has long promotions every month highlighting one of their sandwiches. It started with a quarter pounder with cheese for 1,000 pesos, followed by a Big Mac for the same price and currently they have a double patty cheese bacon burger for 1,100. (current exchange rate is 507 to 1 USD.)
    What's the current Argentine Big Mac selling for?
    Gas, cooking oil, meat, gasoline and electricity are far cheaper in Argentina. University education for you children is nearly free in Argentina, and frankly public education in Argentina is far superior to Chile.

    Think: HOWEVER Señor THINK, any single malt you can imagine is far cheaper here than in your country. Priorities, priorities...
    Give us back our Patagonia and we'll forgive you.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Speaking for the humbly-incomed and middle-class Americans here. I don't think my humbly-incomed neighbors BELIEVE the stories I've told.them about Argentina..

    The ($80) food assistance.was given to the MEN???? Wat.
    In California, you'd get $600 a month for one child plus over $400 in a food debit card. Plus free school meals. And full medical. And help up to $1000 for car repairs to help get you to work. And subsidized housing. And subsidized heating. And 100 free cell phone minutes monthly. Etc....
    And the food is CHEAPER there!
    I've had a couple ppl say, yes, they make less (in South America), but they're food is cheaper. NOT SO!
    You guys would.gain a lot of empathy from the average American if they just knew.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @43 - Ayayay

    But according to Tobias Argentina has no problems.
    It's a virtual paradise where everyone is rich, with more food than they can eat, and all the protests are by middle-class malcontents who are he'll bent on destroying the workers paradise.

    He conveniently forgets that it is the workers who are on strike as they have seen their food costs and utilities increase in line with real inflation (not INDECS version), with increases on income tax, meaning that they have less and less money with which to feed their families.

    Those like Tobias will continue to support the government until the government can no longer afford to buy their support. Then they'll be the ones on the street protesting.

    Argentina is entering its winter of discontent. When this happened in the UK a leader arose that put the country before everything else. Her name: Margaret Thatcher.

    Unfortunately Argentina appears to be short of people of Margaret Thatchers character. The corruption is too ingrained .

    In short, they're fecked.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    Ha ha ha

    This is very funny so Argies need USD700 to meet basic basket of food according with this article.

    UK's basic basket of food for household is less than USD600.

    So according with this half of UK’s household are living in extreme poverty because food in Argentina it is far cheaper than in UK.

    Oh Dio!

    What next?


    If a coffee of AR$14 is equivalent to the USA paying u$13 you have to equal salairies with your wrong exchange PPP conversion.

    So someone earning let say a basic salary of AR$3000 will be the same as U$2.785,8. what is higher than the shitty average salary in US.

    Don’t you think there is something wrong with your calculis?

    This is good really “we are a huge rich country our retired expat community” this was in the past. Now your are a huge indebted country in the world and you don’t have any money to pay it back.

    Yankee bobo you are so stupid really, I met Americans in Europe with a Engineer degree selling detergent door to door in Europe.

    @ Chicureo

    I guess you read a lot “The economistress” what most of its articles are pure crap and inaccurate.
    Big Mac index its just a stupidity to use to measure anything and I will give you and example.

    I export a manufactured product from Argentina to Uruguay, Brazil and Chile at the moment and I and considering to do the same to Colombia. My price is USD15 below that the American product (CIF icoterm), even with high frigate charges here in Argentina that it is fixed to international price.

    How does Big MAC index explains that?

    @ LEPRecon

    Argentina is not paradise agree, but you have to hear the sad stories from fellow Europeans coming in lots to Argentina saying that here is paradise compared with what they have experienced in their homeland.

    Please don’t be silly I was living in Britain and most of common British will be poor in Argentina, How Can TF a Brit can live decently with 2k pounds at month?

    This is a really to be poor in Expensive UK. Have you noted that?

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Everyone get your boots on the shit's piling high fast........

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I was just showing your point. CFK has the Big Mac frozen for political reasons. Chile has low burger prices for economic reasons.
    Anyway, if you export, you understand what the real situation is.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Captain Poppy

    Hey mate I didn’t learn Spanglish yet so please can you post your message again but in English this time please?

    Thank Your very much indeed

    @ Chicureo

    Yes as you said I do understand what the real situation is my friend but you sure wouldn’t like to know for sure.

    Well someone have to bring you down to reality...

    Argentina is technological more advanced compared with Chile about hundred years and even if 60% of its industrial complex have been destroyed during the ‘80 and ’90 there is something called industrial memory.

    Its like to ride a bike once you have learned even you have not performed a ride for 30 years you will be able to do it any time.

    So if you come from a more advanced country you will find a lot of business opportunity here.

    Only idiots that don not understand ARG economy assume that Argentina only can produces Cows and soy beam.

    That thinking is so ignorant like to say that France only can produce Croissant and Italy Pasta.

    Do you get the idea?

    I hope so...

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Well what else do you produce?

    See no Argentine cars, plenty of French and Italian though.

    See no Argentine anything, plenty of French and Italian though.

    So enlighten us?

    What else do you produce?

    For fuck sake do not say isotopes, because I do not have a portable X Ray machine installed on my kitchen and am unlikely to want to buy one!!!!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (42) Chicureo

    You say….:
    ”HOWEVER Señor THINK, any single malt you can imagine is far cheaper here than in your Country…..”

    I say…:
    I know, I know……
    That’s why, last time I was in El Frutillar to get some Falu Rödfärg for my shed, I couldn’t resist some shamelessly cheap bottles of Aberlour 10 Yrs…. (and a couple of not so cheap A’bunadh 44’s ;-)

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Damn it guys.

    If you two want to argue about Scotch, you should talk to the guys on here that gave it to the world.

    Or are you both claiming you can produce a better Whisky than they can!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Turnip at (51)

    Aberlour distillery is situated in Strathspey, on the confluence of the Lour and Spey near Ben Rinnes.....

    That's, for your information, is in the middle of the Free Republic of Scotland........

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    God, has something happened since I have been out at Sainsburys
    Scotland is now a Free Republic ! No announcement on the TV or Radio. However, it must be true....Think has spoken.
    He is the acknowledged expert on Scottish politics, aircraft related matters and it appears, the Scotch Whisky trade -at least - by his own admonition.
    I had to examine about 4,200 various whisky casks a week -including Aberlour-when I worked at Johnny Walkers in Kilmarnock and I could not call myself an expert on the subject.

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  • Think

    Turnip at (53)

    1) Scotland is already Free and Republican in each and every good man's heart.

    2) When did I claim to be an “Expert” in aircraft related matters.....?
    Using freely available modern technology as Google Earth allows any layman to calculate the correct flight distance between Petropavlovsk and Caracas................... You should try it....

    3) When did I claim to be an “Expert” in the Scotch Whisky trade....?
    I'm just a humble Patagonian that enjoys a good Dram or three, once in a while.......

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    Free Republic of Scotland!

    Wow, that must have hurt when they came up that mountain to kick the shit out of those Free Republicans of Argentina dug in there!

    Perhaps no one told them who was up there?

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Ah ......The Crags of Tumbledown Mountain.......the times I've played that tune.....;-)

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Oh all of you, let's lift a dram to the Scot who defeated the Serb and is by no means an Englishmn. Can we all agree at least in that subject? As far as the elixir of the highlands malt, there's no Pisco worthy of considering (Chile or Peru) as far as the quality of life for each nation. And God please forgive the heathen as myself who fall to the depths and imbide in the blends for us of lesser means...
    For its not

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy this about the time you use your two ID's to chat with yourself?'re an adult?

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (57) Excuse my bluntness Mr. Chicureo……

    Nothing wrong with blended güiskis but……....................... If singles is what your palate desires......., singles is what you should have.

    The yearly extra pecuniary difference wouldn’t amount to more than the equivalent of the cost of a couple of pair of shoes to each of your women….;-)

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    Oh look the trolls are here.

    Bad news for Argentina so DISTRACT, DISTRACT, DISTRACT.

    Argentina is fecked, and the trolls know it.

    Oh and Think, since you are a self proclaimed font of all knowledge and you are desperate to change the subject from Argentina's abysmal failures, perhaps you'd like to finally answer the question I posed to you some time ago on a different thread.

    Just how long does someone's family have to live in a country to be considered that nationality! 1 generation? 2 generations? 5 generations? 10 generations?

    Are you going to answer this time, or are you going to do what you did last time and run away!

    “Señor Think, bravely turned his tail and fled...”

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I keep my women shoeless and hopefully NOT pregnant. That way I can afford the better bottles of distilled spirits.
    (It has been only marginally successful however...)

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    1. Rubbish
    2. You don't really grasp it do you. Anyone who doesn't have a clue might use the straight line distance on “Google earth ”
    your quote
    Google Earth allows any layman to calculate the correct flight distance between Petropavlovsk and Caracas................... You should try it.... YES, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE AN ARSE OF IT LIKE YOU HAVE.

    So your premise is rubbish. See the reference below which I must have posted on another thread.
    I also talked with a friend who is an ATCO in OCEANIC control at Prestwick NATCO centre just to confirm what I have just posted. He was rather scathing of your views and I will leave it at that.
    I have flown to Cyprus from Glasgow many times.
    Your Google straight line of 2290 miles was not followed
    One time we went via Denmark, Poland, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey into the Med. and then Pathos - about 2414. miles. The next time down the length of Italy to the Med.then over Crete to Pathos-approx.2350 miles. At other times we flew over Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Hungary Romania Bulgaria and Turkey. Not one of these flights was on your “GOOGLE ROUTE”
    You use the name Think, maybe you should before spilling this load of unreasoned crap onto the forum.
    Do you still stand by your aircraft types and ranges which you so vociferously reported ?

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    “University of Buenos Aires Nutrition School” can expect a visit from la campora thugs real soon for a lesson in “conformity”.
    The truth has no place in argentina nor has pity!
    REAP IT!!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Clyde, No matter how many times you prove Think wrong he will Think he is right.
    He is insane, delusional and definitely slow witted.

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Seems kirchner can't get a break....what's a thief to do!

    Jul 09th, 2013 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh gosh...Can I Say I told ya?
    Yeah I can

    Simple contract law.

    Once you waive Sovereignty you can't take it back
    we don't have “do overs”

    Not good timing not good at all


    Jul 10th, 2013 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fred

    21 CaptainSilver: I wonder how can you be so idiot. It's kind of a wacko redneck. What kind of world do you live!? Very ridiculous. Lol

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    CFK for President!

    Let's all get together and ensure that she is able to get reelected.

    Supposedly Argentina is a nirvana, nay an oasis of prosperity and abundance according to many posters on here.

    Streaking ahead of the destitution and squalor of any other comparable nation. Everyone has enough to eat and earns enough to live comfortably.

    The economic collapse isn’t coming Argentina’s way, but is the inevitable future for countries like the US, UK and Australia.

    As I look down on the Treasury and Fitzroy Gardens from more my office, it is hard to believe that I would be better off living in Argentina.

    So I for one am supporting CFK is any bid she makes to continue her ‘economic’ programme.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @reality check

    Argentina has a diversified industrial base and produces many things like petrochemicals and derived products, monomers, polymers, paint, etc.
    Steel industrialised products, Aluminium, machinery, industrialised product for construction, wires, electronic, electrical appliances, parts for vehicles, textile fabrics, etc.

    So let’s say that around 90% of the products in Argentina are Argentine made.

    And from U$s 500bn GDP nominal only U$s 35bn comes from Agro business.

    As you can see cows, grains, soy, etc. has a little share in the economy circle just 7%.

    How do you explain that a country with 500bn GDP only imports 67bn? Magic?

    Ok you don’t like cars, isotopes, medicines, etc. but sure you have a credit card, Mobile phone, or use smart cards for identification, chips production trace, etc. or you still live in stone age?

    Argentina has the 7 plant of production of nano technology in the world with these characteristics and can produce from the raw material to the whole circle in house and including nano sim chips that are currently use in Apple nano, etc.

    Total investment U$D 1.2 billions


    Also Argentina is pioneer in nano tech and in city of Cordoba was developed a CMOS chip 65 and 40 nanometers which function to correct the distortion in fibber optic communication by professor Agassiz who holds around 40 patent on that field.


    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yankee you should see the spin in RGland on this one. They are blowing so much much up everyone's ass you would think they were smoking a Cohiba.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    fibber optic communication

    I think you said it all in this remark !

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    Ok Fiber-Optic!

    You know these thin tubes with inert gas inside and flexible like cable made from a raw glass tube by stretching method by own weight, etc.

    No surprised that always monolinguals have to make remarks over incorrect spelling, typing errors, etc. as if they were masters in all languages when they have noting intelligent to say.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @72 Dunni-Burger

    Ha, ha, ha to your fibber-optic. You are the second biggest fibber on here after The Suicide In Waiting Of Chubut.

    AND, while we are at it your description of the manufacture of the fibre optic cable itself is utter bollocks, I know because I have worked as a consultant in the field and have signed a confidentiality agreement with the world’s leading supplier and technology provider which happens to be Japanese.

    There are not two glass tubes or inert gases and the only thing you are even close to is how the product is formed initially, but after that you are dead wrong.

    AND, the fibre optic cable your professor is “correcting” must be shit. We never needed ANY correction in runs approaching 500 km (with the necessary boosters) and this is with Synchronous Digital Hierarchy telephony for Powergrid, India.

    Now off you go trying to deflect / abuse me and claim I don't know what I am on about, BWGAF?

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Cris, The Rgs think they have superior technology only because they never leave their own country. There is nothing good that is mfg in Arg, nothing.

    At the rate they are going the avg Arg will not be able to communicate with the rest of the world in a generation. They'll be using something akin to a rotary phone while the rest of us are getting communication contact lenses or some such device!

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Just proof read before you hit the send button ! You just left yourself wide-open.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    “No surprised that always monolinguals have to make remarks over incorrect spelling, typing errors, etc. as if they were masters in all languages when they have noting intelligent to say. ”

    I find that statement hilarious as you, tobi, think(stink) aka a-voice and trolls are usually that harshest critics of typos. lol

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    ”I find that statement hilarious as you, tobi, think(stink) aka a-voice and trolls are usually that harshest critics of typos. lol”

    :-))))))).......WTF kind of English was that???....the Yanks and the English....two nations divided by a common language”

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ( 61) Chicureo
    You say....:
    “I keep my women shoeless and hopefully NOT pregnant.”

    I say....:
    Barefoot is good..... Not pregnant is better (especially them daughters)
    If you think that parenthood is expensive......... Just wait for grandparenthood! ;-)

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I wonder how long it will be before LAN pulls out of Argentina? She obviously wants them gone.

    Seems odd to me, she can't afford fuel or parts so pretty soon those AR planes are going to start dropping out of the sky.

    I don't think she really cares how difficult it is to get around that country.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    They have no money Yankee, they cannot even afford to have to Libertad set sail.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    You obviously couldn't afford an education.........“even afford to have to Libertad set sail.”
    I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a better sentence than that!

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    80.Yeah lacking the measly U$ 2MM must be an embarrassment for a military that only a generation ago had some teeth.
    Pilots that can't fly because there isn't any fuel or parts. I'm not sure who would fly in a 40yr old jet anyway.
    Ships that sink in dock even when they are considered “in service”
    2 hrs of ammunition so they can't train

    It must be embarrassing to say the least.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    and to what purpose is your huge military ?....... is it to
    A) Defend yourselves
    B) Invade other countries

    When was the last time the US was invaded?

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund


    Having a huge military is a pretty successful strategy for defending yourself.

    (Pearl Harbour and 9/11 aside, of course).

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @78 Think

    Still avoiding the question I see.

    How you lack courage, conviction, and credibility.

    Run away Think, or perhaps you'll get one of your sock puppets to write in support of you.

    How pathetic you really are. A cowardly Argentine who is too afraid to live in his own country, and leaches off others instead.

    Jul 10th, 2013 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #83 think still waking angry every morning because your Argentine? I have a solution, give me your address and I will send you a rusty razor......just remember.......wrist to elbow....not thumb to pinky.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    1-Oh! ChrisRambo alwasy talking about things that he doesn’t know and the only thing he can talk about is a old telephone installation in India.

    Let me explain it again please with more details to show you how you like to talk without any argument.
    First Fiber optic starts from a raw glass tubes that are submerged into a acid bath to remove any organic stuff.

    Then typically 2,3 o more tubes are soldered by using flame and friction at high temperature around 3000 degrees to enlarge the piece while are spinning in a special king of lathe.

    Then are filled with inert gas mixture with silicon and germanium. Then a piece is cut and sealed and introduced into a linear tower what it is a kind of vertical oven at 3600/3650 degrees.

    The tube glass start to soften and is stretching by gravity by it own weight, when the stretching tube meets certain diameter is cut and then a calibrator is used the type of pass nor pass of steel to force the tube to be into standard tolerance +-0.1mm 0.05mm, etc.

    There you have your fiber optic idiot only a big mouth idiot like you was forced to sign a confidentiality agreement to buy fiber optic. Ha ha I just wonder why?

    Ah! I forgot you came from Ukistan may be that sure was the reason.

    2- About your stupid comment what can I say?

    You have to ask how shit the Agazzi products are to the Americans that buy products from him. You can start with Dr. Voois president of ClariPhy Communications Inc USA who is his best client and also his partner.

    After all you are the only person claiming to be Engineer in communication that buys Unix computers may be you know something that the rest don’t know. How knows?

    BTW do you have a good recipe of Kebab to share with the MP community here?
    My be you are a better cooker than Engineer have you ever been thinking about that?

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Poor Dany

    Trying to ignore the poverty of the country he CHOSE to supposedly move to.



    Jul 11th, 2013 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    How does one go from poverty to fiber optics?

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    How Can TF a Brit can live decently with 2k pounds at month?
    £24,000 pa ? Quite easily if you live outside London.

    What makes you think I am monolingual ? I could order a meal or ask directions in Spanish, German or Greek. Why should I need more ? If I brushed up in my French - a decent language -then I could be reasonably fluent in 6 months.

    As to recipes for kebabs I am sure someone with German antecedents could find plenty from the huge Turkish community in Germany. As an obvious fan of Google, why don't you try it ?

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    87 DunniBurger

    I just KNEW you coulsd not resist a come back and confirm what we already knew: you are a first class idiot.

    Does your professor who holds “around 40 patent on that field” give you the recipe for the glass, sounds more like a kebab and though I heve never had a kebab I HAVE had practical experience in a state of the art fibre optic manufacturing plant which clearly you and the prof have not, especially as it is The Dark Country we are talking about.

    So what's next, how you won the 1982 “war” on your own with your “FULLY AUTOMATIC” rifle.

    You are funny: keep it up it amuses us all.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Argentina was the United States' 53rd largest supplier of goods imports in 2012.

    U.S. goods imports from Argentina totaled $4.4 billion in 2012, a 3.3% decrease ($149 million) from 2011, but up 37% from 2002.

    The five largest import categories in 2012 were: Mineral Fuel and Oil ($1.1 billion), Iron/Steel Products ($411 million), Beverages (wine) ($407 million), Preserved Food (grape juice, apple juice) ($320 million), and Aluminum ($196 million).

    U.S. imports of agricultural products from Argentina totaled $1.7 billion in 2012, the 18th largest supplier of Ag imports. Leading categories include: wine and beer ($403 million), fruit and vegetable juices ($226 million), vegetable oils ($107 million), and fresh fruit ($98 million).

    I guess mfg goods are too minimal to make the list.

    Pretty pitiful exports to USA.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    Imports: $67.33 billion (2012 est.)
    Exports: $85.36 billion (2012 est.)
    Imports: $2.357 trillion (2012 est.)
    Exports: $1.612 trillion (2012 est.)
    Which is the most desirable scenario?

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Well I lived in both places and I would pick the USA as the most desirable any day.
    I would never ever move back to Argentina. Never ever.

    Jul 11th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    I could be a “first class idiot” as you said but fiber optic is made based on this principle at least a genius like you that have ever had any industry have invented another method. Did you?

    Oh! I love youtube because is the easy way to find videos to educate a ignorant like you without tying too much.

    Fiber optic how is made process...

    Now can you post your method please?

    Ah! you don’t know, I supposed so...


    “I would never ever move back to Argentina. Never ever.”

    Can you put it on a paper and signed please?

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I had to fire 5 staff in my house when I left.
    Plus all the contractors that worked for me.
    They love me in that horrible place.

    Send me your email address and I'll send you the affidavit. No problem.

    I heard The gov't is asking people to eat less tomatoes and may run out of them next month.
    Put it on the list
    We should start a pool on the next item

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    95 DunniBurger

    Oh dear!

    Guess what “signed a confidentiality agreement means”? So NO I cannot.

    We are not talking some half-arsed system “invented” by some hairy arsed argie professor who then has to invent something else to correct a fault in the “new” fibre that the Japanese fibre optic never suffered from.

    So run away and try to get up to speed with what the real world is doing with REAL fibre optic.

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Oh! I love youtube because is the easy way to find videos to educate a ignorant like you without tying too much.

    Spoken like a true troll.....searching for the “easy way”

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    98 Captain Poppy

    But you wouldn't mind that if he LEARNT something from the videos, but all he ever does is get the thing partly right and the rest is bollocks.

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Yeah that happens with a lot of the Rg posters. I think they read the tag lines or the headlines of articles but don't really understand the content and my biggest pet peeve is they use specific legal terms but have absolutely no idea what or how they are supposed to be used and referred to. They think because it sounds like something they assume it means that.

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    Oh! please explain to us what part I have to learn...

    The true thing is that you have know idea of what a NC is, what a Cmos is a FET is and you always talk from your ass and never provide any evidence of what you assume to know.

    You are going from ignorant to super ignorant...

    Al fiber optics have dispersion and the consequence of that phenomenon is the production of pulse spreading.

    That is what you need boosts idiot that you have already mentioned above. What else a booster is useful for?

    So what Agazzi and his team have invented is a nano chip capable of transmit 40 gigabits per second and 60 gb per second. and also devices to attenuate and correct the dispersion suffered by Fiber optic in really Long distances. So we are talking about thousands of kilometres of distance like in transoceanic communications.

    Oh! I know you are going to start again to talk about your telephony experience in Karachi connecting switchers and all that kind of stuff.

    Come on do it, its is your last change to talk about it.

    BTW you have not provide any evidence about your revolutionary method to produce fiber optic.

    I Just wonder why?


    I found the same video I have posted before but this time with English accent just in case you didn’t understand the previous as the voice in off was an American.

    Sure you are going to claim now to be expert in 3D printers and that you have worked in Pakistan inevting the first prototype... I will not be surprise...

    Ha ha

    @Captain and Yankee Bobos team

    Striking from the back eh!

    Did not your mothers in Chiguaga say that is not good?

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    He doesn't get any better or understand anymore, no matter what you tell him, does he?

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You know Chris.........reading dumburger is like watch a dog that got hit by a car. One feels all sorry for the dog writhing around, semi paralyzed. He reminds me of Forest Gump.......only stupid.

    Jul 12th, 2013 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    “He doesn't get any better or understand anymore, no matter what you tell him, does he?”

    The problem with you is that you never say anything. You just like to put in doubt other people post without any logical argument good for a lawyer to create a “reasonable” doubt in count or charlatan politicians.
    But we are not in a court or in a political campaign looking for votes. Do we?

    There is something in science called “counterexample” generally is used to refute, disproves, etc. hypothesis, conjectures, theorems, etc.

    In simple terms, let’s say anything that can be used as argument to refute the conjecture, etc.

    So now again you say that fiber optics are not made the way I said and that I have to learn.

    Well I’m always open to learn show us please the method you know to make fiber optic that its not from a raw tube turned into a pre-form and stretching by gravity.

    Will you please?

    @Captain Poppy

    The same for you mate, I can be a dog hit by a car and paralysed as you say. But you like your Bobos partners never can provide any evidence of what you say.

    You should develop a career as politicians because you boys are good to tell lies and get away without any consequences.

    Think about it. Will you?

    The White house needs people like you...

    Jul 13th, 2013 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Cap, Add salt to the list of hard to get products.



    Dany don't worry about new technology Argentina is quickly reverting back to the 1700s. Pretty soon you'll be using Soy oil for light and heat.

    Jul 13th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Yes I've noticed that Yankee the last time in Argentina they was no salt on tables, but other condiments. I am not sure how I can prove that to dumburger, he seems to want proof in my words.


    Jul 13th, 2013 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    104 / 95 DunniBurger

    I will repeat it for you!

    Oh dear!

    Guess what “signed a confidentiality agreement means”? So NO I cannot.

    Jul 13th, 2013 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    Don’t worry I perfectly know what a confidential agreement is and none is asking you to compromise your self in any violation of that agreement even if your “signed agreement” should not be valid anymore.

    I only need the name of the Japanese company that produces that fiber optic so I can email my friend in Germany who is engineer and is specialist in that field and works for Deutsche Telekom I hope you know who they are. Just in case you don’t know, these funny guys that are able to transfer data over a single optical wavelength channel from Berlin to Hanover at speeds up to 512Gbps.

    So he knows about any fiber optic produced in the world and also inspects factories in situ to check quality standard productions, etc.

    So only I need just the name of the company, you will not violate any “confidential agreement” by doing so as company names are in public domain.

    I will be waiting for you reply.

    Thank You in advance.


    Jul 14th, 2013 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    108 DunniBurger

    The agreement I signed was an 'all enveloping' one and because of that prohibited me from disclosing ANYTHING.

    I realise being an argie by nature, even though you claim to be a kraut, means you believe that signing such an agreement ends when the project is concluded for my part and I am free to say anything I like; you are wrong.

    Anyway, if your professor is any good he will know what SDH means: ask him how many channels he can run down ONE fibre synchronously.

    And if your ‘friend’ is any good he will know who the Japanese company is so just ask him.

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Shot in the foot again Dany ?

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    You are a lying Mr. Rambo as always “confidential agreements” are signed with the scope to protect certain data like scientific research results and data, chemical compositions, formulas, software-development information, recipes, laboratory methodology, manufacturing-techniques trade secrets, etc.

    What is the scope to protect the name of the manufacture? Are you idiot or what?

    “Anyway, if your professor is any good he will know what SDH means”

    I don’t need to ask anyone that because I already know that SDH means “Synchronous Digital Hierarchy” and just in case I also know what PDH means “Plesiochronous digital hierarchy” I hope you have any idea of what is “PlesioChronous”. And also SONET “Synchronous Optical Networking” and also PPP, PEAD, PE, PET, PBT, TUTU and COOCOO. Idiot. Ha ha

    Give the name, give the name...

    Ha ha

    BTW as you like Acronyms do you know what means S.U.B.M?

    Someone told me “Sos Un Bobo Mentiroso” should I trust him?

    You just passed TPoNR (The Point of No Return)

    @ Clyde15

    “Shot in the foot again Dany ?”

    Nope and you?

    Why don’t you ask Chris, his blood is crossing the River Plate.

    Thank You for your concern.

    BTW have you eat your ration of kebab today?


    Jul 14th, 2013 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @111 DannyBerger:

    And you are rapidly entering the FZ ( farce zone ).

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @111 DunniBurger

    I wish I was as clever as you AND knew everything there was to know about the scope of an agreement YOU NEVER SAW and were not a party to.

    And you NEVER will because of your big mouth nobody or ANY business would EVER trust you!

    So pleased to help.

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    No I will leave that to you. I am having a salmon salad at 1710 -GMT +1..
    I have left some interesting videos for you on another thread...enjoy !

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    You are too late with those videos your fellow comrades from British team already posted them since long time ago.

    But you couldn’t find any Turban, Pyjama or kebab shop on Argentine streets.

    I can imagine your fingers are still bleeding trying to fine only, jut only one miserable picture, video, etc. but you miserably failed.

    Don’t worry I can understand you because the same is happening to me while looking for a video or a miserable picture with more than 2 Britons on it.

    Got it I guess I saw 2 in this video, wasn’t so bad after all.

    Thank Alibaba for been so generous.


    Too much over UK I guess I just start to feel the need of a kebab.

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    I didn't have to look, I took the first two that popped up.
    What started your racist hatred of Muslims ? Is it a genetic trait from your master race genes ?
    So Germany and Argentina have no Muslims, or are you in self denial. Post as much as you want about Muslims in the UK -no problem for me.
    It just shows what a racially motivated bigot you are

    Jul 14th, 2013 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    “I didn't have to look, I took the first two that popped up.”

    Are you sure they were not Polish or Rumanian? Ha ha

    No need to become angry or upset...

    After all you voted for your clown politicians that are screwing up your little country.

    Jul 15th, 2013 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    The intelligentsia has spoken ! Let me see, kebabs, pyjamas, Mexican born president of the USA, the UK doomed - fill in spurious reasons - preferably racial. Dodge the issue about German and Argentine Muslims. Must think about more immigrants, Polish, Rumanian, South African, Spanish.
    Must troll youtube for more obscure racist videos.
    Argentina -best scientists and inventors in the world way ahead of the UK, will destroy UK with its invisible nuclear arsenal, best loved country in the world, the whole world agrees with everything we say, shining example of western democracy -does Nos agree - talk to him later and apologise. Must remember to use some more ha ha ha - very adult and effective.
    No need to provide actual proof of anything, I am D.B. and the whole world knows that I am right.

    I don't get angry or upset with you - faintly amused and wondering what crap you will peddle next. How can anyone get upset with the entertainment you provide, so, let's hear it for Dany.

    Jul 15th, 2013 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    118 Clyde15

    But it's all done in the best possible taste!

    But that guy was a genuine comedian and a great person unlike DunnyBurger, but he does make you laugh at times, even though he is being serious.

    I can't resist it: ha, ha, ha.

    Jul 15th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger


    “UK, will destroy UK with its invisible nuclear arsenal”

    Latest news!

    According with a recent report of the ARG Secret Service there is no need to bomb you with nuclear arsenal anymore.

    They arrived to the conclusion that you only need to be allowed to keep voting and embrace “diversity” for just another 20 years more.

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    ARG-entine Secret Service..........since when does Argentina spy outside of Argentina? They only spy on RG protestors and non government media.

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    OK Dany, I will embrace your theory that the UK will be overwhelmed by Muslims. That will include sharia law.
    Very unsympathetic towards unbelievers.
    I will assume that your country will still be wittering on about the Falklands and you will still be making your racist slurs against Muslims,
    Suddenly you will be faced with an UK government who will declare Argentina as the Great Satan and take action against it.
    Suicide bombers in B.A. and other Argentine cities. Your now expanded Muslim population will embrace their UK brothers and start a hijad against the “Christians”
    Makes as much sense as your ideas !

    Jul 16th, 2013 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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