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Falklands: controversy with the private sector over oil and port policy
A Falkland Islands government statement of policy principles on port location and oil infrastructure development passed at Executive Council last week has been met with opposing views from members of the private sector, reports the Penguin News. Read full article
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Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet again….. the Kelper “Tall Poppie Syndrome” in full bloom.
“The decision to have it in Puerto William was taken with absolutely no concrete survey data, just anecdotal evidence, many of which is contradictory.” said one member of the business community who WISHED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
This fundamental piece of policy for the entire future of Malvinas “ has been made without any real consultation with the public, without any real consultation with the local private sector and, it would appear, without any real understanding of what is required by the oil industry.” said one member of the business community who WISHED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
The Falkland Islands Government (FIGleaf) had refused to engage in discussions with any local company or consortium over proposals for a temporary facility, preferring instead to engage in a, ‘Mexican stand off’ with the oil industry in an attempt to make them pay for a new port in Puerto William, a location which still has no complete survey data and no real estimate of costs, said one member of the business community who WISHED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
“We have been saying for years that the Malvinas is open for business and we want investment by the oil industry here and when we finally get some concrete progress we make a complete arse of the whole thing” said one member of the business community who WISHED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS.
I “Think” I have a pretty good idea who this ”Member of the business community who WISHES TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS” is but…., as saying the truth can have enormous personal consequences in Malvinas, I’ll respect his ”WISH TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS”
Keep strong, Mr. ANONYMOUS…
I thought you said there would be no oil development in the Falklands “Twink”.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like you've made an arse of the whole thing...and yourself
Ah ha, Mr Think arises from the Patagonian winter for a quick inexpert foray into local matters.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0However Mr Think, I think your assessment will be found to be very wide of the mark. Some deeper thinking processes required on your side; 2+2 don't often align with a local 4. You should know!
Is this an early spring you have risen to? Seems like winter has some way to run, but as ever, from the across the water - happy thinking...
Thicko.... were you staying up late or rising to 'greet the dawn' ultra early.?
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you go and see your doc and get your prostate sorted
(3) falklandlad.....
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0A quasimystical post from Kelperand....!
“”“”2+2 don't often align with a local 4.“”“”, you say.....
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooow......... Care to elaborate....?
What no share prices? El Think.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think- actually you are not far off the mark. No its not who you think - I thought it was also but it is another! But yes FIG have made rather an arse of the whole thing - mostly allowing themselves to be blindly advised by some of the recently arrived civil servant experts!
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0There was actually public plenty of consultation etc over the new deep water port site and most(not all!) professional and maritime advice pointed to it.
The mess is what FIG has got itself into over working out the interim phase- and here I agree - they do seem to be making a bit of a balls-up and there is a polite sort of silence so far from the Oil Industry!
The bit about expecting the industry to put in their own temporary facilites and then remove them after 3 years regardless of wether the new port is built or not really is a classic!
@1
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0If FIG have make a cock up regarding Port William then the counter arguments show that Falkland society is not like Argentine society, ie one of unthinking robots, and therefore demonstrate that FIG may have to look more carefully into what is an important decision.
I would certainly criticise the FIG if a port was only going to be temporary. A good deep water port-not necessarily situated near Stanley- of a permanent nature is going to be an asset that allows the Islands to compete (and maybe trade with if the asses knock some sense into themselves)with Southern Argentina, and to support the energy industries that will replace oil in the Falklands such as bio fuels. Also trade will be worldwide with a good port and not be limited to the South Atlantic.
The fact that there are local people challenging FIG, to ensure they have made a good decision is a good indicator that the islanders are not prepared to emulate the poor example set by some Argentinians who appear to lap up everything that CFK and Timmerturd tell them.
This issue is of major national importance and needs to be debated.
It is still understandable that a proto nation like the Falklands is not going to get every decision right, but they have only had sufficient autonomy to do so since 1982.
At least as a country of only 3000 they have done significantly better than the Argentines ( 40 000 000 population) to secure investment in hydrocarbon exploration when the amounts may or may not be significant.
Argentina has to struggle to get investment in one of the biggest shale oil reserves in the world, reversing the political stance to Chevron that it had with Repsol .
So comparatively speaking, the FIG in charge of 3000 people do significantly better (after only 30 years)than Argentina's government 'in charge' (apparently) of 40 000 000 people after 160 years.
After having heard the talk and seen the never-ending debate about the port for so many years, it is quite incomprehensible that FIG come up with a statement that they will only offer a three year concession.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not incent whoever wants to propose a serious plan to do this for the long-term benefit of all the islanders?
A port is a capital plan and is central to the well-being and future prosperity of the islands (with or without oil). Most ports around the world are developed on the basis of “Build it and they will come” and with the clear outcome that other business and wealth creation is generated by the infrastructure.
FIPASS has limped along for years and should have been scrapped long ago but there will be a much larger boost to the economy if a new port is built now, instead of waiting for others to produce the money when they need it.
I like Islander's comment in #7 - I don't know the ins and outs but it all makes sense and the non-committal stance of FIG needs to change to get the show on the road. Speculate to accumulate!
(7) Islander1
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
”There was actually public plenty of consultation etc over the NEW DEEP WATER PORT site and most(not all!) professional and maritime advice pointed to it.“
I say...:
”Deep Water Port“ ?
What ”Deep Water Port“ ?
If you are referring to Puerto William....., I ”Think“ I remember it to be aS ”Shallow A Water Port“ as Puerto Estanley.....
Shall we check the proper Admiralty Chart?
http://www.falklandislands.com/shopimages/imagelibrary/pdfs/harbour-info-basic.pdf (”Page 15”)
My, (oh, my)...... I remembered correctly...... Shallow waters indeed....
@7 lslander1,
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0lts probably not wise give sr Think too many details or information
regarding anything in the Falklands.
lts not of his business anyway, & as he is an avowed enemy, he is sure to throw it back at you or use it to cause some mischief or other.
One has to ask why he is so interested in any divisions within Falkland society & “divide & conquer” comes to mind.
Think thinks the tankers are going to pull alongside and fill up with a bucket!
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0(11) lsolde dahling...
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would a sweet little Pomette like you know about any divisions within Kelper society?
;-)
Now is the winter of our discontent
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Made glorious summer by this son of York;
And all the clouds that low'r'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Oh dear Jasper the Grasping Islander........did you not read the small print, perhaps it is fashioned after the UK model.........
When we say, it is our oil we actually mean it's the Governments oil......Not yours!
I can see you have got a whiff of the money.......and want a share!
.......Avarice the spur of Industry
.......indeed I was right all along from my very first post.......Greedy little Islanders!
@ A Voice of Think
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why so bitter? you really should try and be more positive about all this potential development. I foresee a big demand for menial contract staff.
“argentina” should grab this chance and sort out regular direct flights. There will be a big demand for local patagonian toilet cleaners, bottle washers, litter pickers etc.
Language skills should not be needed, Chileans will likely do all the hiring, firing and supervision of you people. Its a win-win for everyone no?
#15
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0An excellent proposal:
Resevered occupations for argentines with their brother Chileans as their gang masters.
Maybe Toni Lopez can find something actually useful to do for once. Being be paid in a stable currency must equally be attractive.
#13 and #14, sod all to do with you anyway. With your Repsol/Shale Gas/Chevron debacle this is just a sideshow. With 41 million of you from the same gene pool as Fawlty Towers Manuel and Berlesconi you do have a slight disadvantage in the grey matter area and behavioral problems so we shouldn't be surprised.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0As someone has already alluded to it the new port will require bog cleaners which should suit you nicely.
15
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Language skills should not be needed”
I would suggest you join the queue then, or line if you wish to appear American, as a ? replaces a full stop or period, therefore that would be a capital Y for you, followed by a capital A for Argentina and a capital P for Patagonian.
“of you people”........Poor English.....if you wish to appear “witty”, I would suggest you get a decent command of the English Language!
Why demonstrate your inadequacies concerning, “Language Skills”?.........Idiot!
@18 A_Voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has your mother(board) let you out because there is a A_hole on my screen again.
19
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah!.... Boadicea enters the forum trying to deflect from my accurate summation of the above article!
Or would you prefer Urien Rheged?
Deflect all you like, but it's true!
“temporary port to only be in place for three years and then to be removed”
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Finally they are assessing the commercial feasibility of stealing Argentinian natural resources.
Dear England, we are not in the 1800's anymore...go home.
@18 Think
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 012) Attack posters grammar - check
LOL, is that your best comeback? Just tooooo funny.
“argentina”: a political entity of mostly implanted Spanish, Italian and German settlers. “Ownership” claimed through something laughingly called a Papal Bull from a 15th century Spanish Pope; yeah seriously, I'm not making this sh1t up.
Many, many native inhabitants slaughtered, raped, and usurped from their own land: Huarpe , Kolla, Toba, Guaraní, Wichí, Mapuche, Diaguita and Mocoví Rest In Peace.
22
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Confusing me with “Think”, I see.
That's it .......you do your very best to deflect from the FIG making an arse of themselves and the avarice of the, (private sector) Islanders, but you are too late the evidence is there to see!
What's next...... 1833 an' all that?.......:-)))))
First commercial production expected in 2043.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Marcos
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dear England, we are not in the 1800's anymore...go home.”
A Martian wants to know why you are supposedly “at home” (on usurped land, we can agree on that at least) and a Falkland Islander has to move to England??? I mean, from you name, your ethnically Spanish right; a descendant/beneficiary of the Conquistadors.
@23
Your telling me you have some insightful, honest, constructive comment to make about FIG planning? Come on, your just on here to troll. Your country of 40 million+ is seriously going down the toilet and your nit-picking fault with your betters? You need to sort out your priorities, you really do.
25
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nit picking.......Moi?........Your lack of education is truly insightful!
YOUR........YOU'RE........NOT ONCE......BUT TWICE IN THE SAME SENTENCE!
You really do have the cheek to say.........“with your betters”.
This is kindergarden or Elementary......or Infants or Primary not even High School or Secondary School “Stuff”.
That' s the beauty of democracy, you take notice of other peoples view, then you make a decision of a concensus of opinion. All will be revealed in the fullness of time. I am sure that the Oil companies will be spoken to and take on board their advice, afterall they do know what is best. You only have to look at YPF, their decision making is spot on eh? What is the cost of importing oil and gas?
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 025
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really are an embarrassment to your nationality.......should have persevered with those Janet and John books!
Lesson 1.......
You're and Your
Some writers are confused by you're and your. A mistake involving these constitutes a grammatical howler.
You're
You're is a contraction of you are. It has no other uses. This is a 100% rule. If you cannot expand it to you are in your sentence, then it is wrong.
Your
The word your sits before another word (usually a noun or a pronoun) to show that it belongs to “you” (e.g., your car, your arm), is of “you” (e.g., your picture, your photograph) or is related to “you” (e.g., your uncle).
Your is a possessive adjective. (Other possessive adjectives are: my, your, his, her, its, our, and their.)
Are we learning yet?
23Argievoice of Thinkedover
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Confusing me with “Think”, I see.”
“Confusing”? I 'Think' not,
You just persist in your silly puppet games.
It's clear from your posts that you are angry and jealous, but there is bugger all you can do about !!
BTW, I see that you are totally impotent against your schizo-doppelgänger, “A_V0ice” !
It makes me laugh to see you pwned like that, again and again.
:-)
Think,
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You will find that the Deep Water Port in Port William will actually be able to berth the size and draft of ship the Islands are likley to need in the forseable future as regards containerships/fishing/tourism/offshore support etc - no need for supertankers as that will go direct from the FPSOs.
Even the large cruiseliners will probabaly prefer to anchor rather than berth as faster to get theor pax into town centre by their own launches - we would need to have alot more coaches sitting idle all the rest of thime otherwise to handle the numbers. On a windy day though they will have the option of berthing.
Plans are not secret - publicly available. The only concern is the interim stage until the various phases and road to it are built - that is where some logic and commonsense now needs to be inserted.
Marcos - on a different planet as usual!
29
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Troy are you giving me the opportunity to ......get back inside your head again?
I know you have suffered in the past.......and have disappeared for a while to sulk and perhaps take stock......maybe a self esteem inventory?
I have laid off you for a while......let you gather yourself, are you, “up for it now”?
There is little I can do about the poor copy, but beware lest I use this name myself.......Tr0y Tempest.....obvious when you know!
Remind me again, when was the last time you commented on an actual article?
What is your ratio of article comments......1:10.....1:20?
Or do you just try to deliver a “Clever”, retort.......and fail miserably!
Beware of your pal Anglotino.......he's not.....he has attacked you with a puppet before and will again.......the guy is sick! I have warned you as a favour......see.. I care about your well being!
(30) Islander1
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know perfectly that the projected port at Puerto William would be able to berth the size and draft of ship the Islands are likely to need in the foreseeable future........
Anything else would be weird, wouldn't it?
And I know that the existing port at Puerto Estanley easily can berth the size and draft of ship the Islands are likely to need in the foreseeable future........
Neither Estanley nor William will ever be a “Deep Water Port” though......
My question is why do some people in them Islands find it so imperative to call it a “Deep Water Port”
Do those people drive around town in the missus Ford Ka and call it a Landy?
Does that kind of thing make them feel better, or what?
PS:
Still not one comment from no Kelper about the recurring fact that ANYTHING anybody has to say on them Islands that, in the slightest, challenges or contradicts the “Approved Communal Thinking” is better done anonymous……
I reckon you Kelpers are so used to it that you don’t even notice how wrong it is….
@28 Think
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooooh get you! Your nothing more then a nasty grammar bully! Stop it, stop it I'm crying with hurt - oh hang on, it may be laughter ;)
Guess you had a hard time at the posh Anglo school you went to - bog standard comprehensive for me I'm afraid, hence the crap grammar; deffo no Latin classes at David Lister!
Kids can be cruel. You didn't fit in, looked a little too 'Moorish' swarthy looking ? 'Blue blooded' upper class Spaniards / “argentines” can be very snobby even racist when it comes to breeding. Did they call you nasty names - a 'wog' perhaps? Such a shame you have to carry this chip and on your shoulder all this time.
I feel your pain.
33
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it pleases you to think of me that way......I'm fine with that......I'd be happier with a better tan, unfortunately I'm usually mistaken for German mostly!
Such is life!
Now that your deflecting has served no purpose......What about those Greedy Islanders and that Stupid FIG....served with a side salad of embarrassment to an international audience...... much to my glee!
(33) FI_Frost
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I can see, poster (28) nick is “A_Voice”, not “Think”.......
@35 Think
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow you must be me .....posting at exactly the same time!
You really must be the only one that has a laugh at all the “posters”
They just can't see the irony of it.....and so delude themselves into believing we are the same.....no wonder you chuckle!
Think - Stanley Harbour? - that is where you are wrong! Possible tecnically with a lot of - and repeated - costly dredging - but still we have the problem of the narrow entrance at 90degrees to the prevailing wind.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hell a lot of deep sea trawlers refuse to enter the inner harbour even today because Captains do not like narrow channels and crosswinds!
Nothing to do with draft.
By deep water - we (well I) mean considerably deeper draft vessels than can be handled at present and sufficient for the forseable future as cannot see the need for giant container vessels nor supertankers - and if there was a demand in 10-20yrs for the latter - then one would simply be built at a suitable location.
What is planned will do us very nicely thankyou and make us even more “independent”.
(36) A_Voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle©
(37) Islander1
You're off the hook this time....
But next time do call a spade a spade.....
It's sooooooooooooooo un-Kelper to do otherwise....
Brilliant! One can tell, bh the number of trolls and various sock puppets here, that the thought of the FI having a decent deep water port is deeply disturbing to RGland.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bring it on I say. The FI are ideally placed as a hub for a lot more cruise tourism. In addition to that there is the oil and gas. And, there is a fantastic wildlife and wild place to be explored.
The fact that all this is happening and the desperate effort of Cretina and Gollum to drum up support for their lost causehas got RGland and its trolls in a deep lather. Lololololol!
Think! Voice! and other puppets. Quick, your leader is getting slaughtered on another thread, you are desperately needed elsewhere! Wake up out of your single malt soaked stupor and do your duty
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 golfcronie “That' s the beauty of democracy”
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN EXPRESSES CONCERN ABOUT THE LACK OF DEBATE IN ASSEMBLY
“ this came about when some of our officials went to London for a workshop with the oil industry a few weeks ago and they asked for a policy steer from Members to take with them. And basically the main features of that were that there would be clear preference for no new permanent offshore or onshore oil development in or around Stanley
I get the general feeling, though, that people who live in Stanley actually don’t want oil exploitation in the middle of the town.”
http://www.sartma.com/art_11022.html
@20 A_Voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a life you lead (have you been posting all aftern0on) - support the anonymous businessman. Just like your beliefs - Argentina and anominity. You obviously rate yourself in the use of English - “Drawing on my fine command of the English Language, I said nothing” sums your posts up.
So it should be, it's his first language.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.......American quote Alan..........sums it up! The less they say the better!
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like this man.......
“In my sentences I go where no man has gone before… I am a boon to the English language.”
George W. Bush
44 A_Voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why quote him then?
:-))
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(37) Islander1
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say....:
“But still we have the problem of the narrow entrance at 90 degrees to the prevailing wind.
Hell a lot of deep sea trawlers refuse to enter the inner harbour even today because Captains do not like narrow channels and crosswinds!”
I say....:
What seems to be the problem...?
You just widen “The Narrows” by removing some 300 yards of Navy Point.....
Easier and cheaper that all that pharaonic project at Puerto William.
@33FI
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”@28 Think
Oooooh get you! Your nothing more then a nasty grammar bully! Stop it, stop it I'm crying with hurt - oh hang on, it may be laughter ;)
Guess you had a hard time at the posh Anglo school you went to - bog standard comprehensive for me I'm afraid, hence the crap grammar; deffo no Latin classes at David Lister!
Kids can be cruel. You didn't fit in, looked a little too 'Moorish' swarthy looking ? 'Blue blooded' upper class Spaniards / “argentines” can be very snobby even racist when it comes to breeding. Did they call you nasty names - a 'wog' perhaps? Such a shame you have to carry this chip and on your shoulder all this time.”
FI,
Likely you hit the nail on the head. :-)
ThinkVoiceOver
Sorry, Multi-Troll, you can't dictate what others comment on.
Furthermore, unlike you, I am not obligated to post on here every day.
I see you trying your Troll tactic of attempting to pit us I dependent Brit posters against each other.
Is Anglotino getting under your skin?
You seem to accept that there is oil in the FI now.
Your impotent ranting shows your frustration.
C'ya, “Wannebe”!
@28 A-Voice,
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The confusion between “Your” & “You're” irritates me too, but as it's becoming more & more common(& is even in some spell-check programs)l predict that “You're”will disappear within a generation or two. That's the fluidity & progression of the English language.
As you know, the language is continually evolving, can you speak or read Anglo-Saxon or indeed Middle English?
What is slang today, is correct tomorrow.
Even lol is a word among teenagers now.
This is a funny thread.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have Twink, adamant that there is no oil, it's not commercial, development never happening, but shitting his pants over who said what about which harbour where...Poor Twink.
We have A-hole, barely literate and certainly not coherent, trying to pick holes in people's grammar and punctuation on an Internet news site...LOL.
A-hole also tries to distinguish between governments money and the populations money, poor A-hole, there's only 3000 of them, perhaps it might filter down. Only in Argentina does “the government” pocket the money and keep it from the people.
Then there is Marcos, with his “English go home” mantra. The Falkland Islanders are British Marcos and they are home. The islands have been their home longer than most Argentines have had theirs, and certainly longer than any Patagonian.
The three “Amigos”. It's hard to work out which of the three is the most ridiculous, probably A-hole.
@50 Monkeymagic
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
Think- widen the Narrows - looked at and tecnically possible- at a cost exceeding the cost of the alternative though - and still leaves the issue of regular dredging costs - whereas current plans require a lot less and from tide and wind patterns a lot less to maintain.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stanley Harbour is not that deep once you get inside - other than just in the entrance area.
#50
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What he said.
Wonderful ; The three “Amigos”. Ja,jajaja!
50 ...the Monkey!
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me know when you get a share of the North Sea oil......you may be smart for a monkey, but dumb for a human!
Maybe you got your share in peanuts?.......Bananas?
Now back to your cage and do some tricks.......a bit of the ole' Monkeymagic!
@51 Alan
I notice you...even on another thread!
@54 A_Voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whenever my network relays a packet to/from 74.207.237.139 it checks for a virus and A_hole/”artificial life keeps popping up.
(52) Islander1
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You keep mentioning the issue of the need of some costly regular dredging in Puerto Estanley...
That's news to me!
Where does all that sediment needed to be dredged from?
The mighty Moody Brook?
A-hole
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've had my 1:60000000th share of North Sea Oil, haven't you?
Where do you think the money went? The government received the tax revenue and shared it amongst the population either in the form of tax cuts, additional services or benefits.
Of course 1/60million isn't a lot, and the various tax cuts, benefits or services may or may not have been ones directly affecting me all the time.
However, when there is only 3000 to share the benefits of billions of dollars, it's more obvious to see...and jeez it will be when you share 26% of 80,000 barrels a day out.
Keep advertising your incredible stupidity A-hole.
57
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please ...some more tricks.....show me the direct links between the Oil and your share!
You just spout drivel all the time........“SHOW ME THE MONEY”
Gibbering so typical of a monkey..........Where did you say you were from again?
Thickaspigshitsville I bet!
@58 A_Voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When did you PAY your share for us letting you live in this country. Your taxes don't even pay for clearing the mess around you.
A-hole
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Christ you are an imbecile.
The money is quite simple, seemingly you have absolutely no understanding of macroeconomics.
The UK government has received income from taxation paid by North Sea oil companies for 50 years.
if it had not received this income, either it would have had to raise taxes elsewhere or there would have been a reduction in services to the British people.
I would have been DIRECTLY impacted had it needed to raise other taxes (or indeed I was DIRECTLY impacted in the 1980s when income tax was reduced on the back of oil revenues). I would likely have been impacted had there been a reduction in services, although in an economy the size of the UKs it is never directly linked.
Tell me, are the population of Qatar better off because of oil and gas...or just “the government”
If you have tax revenue from 80000 barrels a day and a population of only 3,000...do you think the population will notice a DIRECT impact exponentially magnified versus 1/60000000th of North Sea oil.
59
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are following me Alan between threads.......I'm getting worried about you!
I'm sure there is some relevant wit in your post.........but I can't see it and which Country are you saying I live in?...... That would be news to me!
It's coming up to your bedtime!
61
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no wit. Remember you are an X/Y axis pixelated.
Its coming up to me going to the pub.
60 Stupid Monkey
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah there it is ......waffle waffle....blah de blah.........there is no direst link......so it's just my opinion that I got a share.......Thank you......Stupid Monkey!
What was the other ridiculous statement......
“The government received the tax revenue and shared it amongst the population ”
Yeah right.....how many Billion was that over 50 years?
Your remarks get more stupid as they go along........
”Tell me, are the population of Qatar better off because of oil and gas...or just “the government”
Tell me, are the population of Russia better off because of oil and gas...or just “the government”
Oh look I've found the link......
www.britishGovt.org/British-Government-share-oil-revenue-with-population/according/to/the/stupid monkey.html
Think,
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that is what folks who know more than me about the issues say - but yes the “flow” is naturally from the west and a stream the size of Moody brook woul impact is what is basically a landlocked harbour apart from its one narrow entrance.
Some experts can be wrong - but it would be unusual for them all to be wrong- even here!
@63 A_voice
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off to the pub but before I go I would like to say how happy I am that you got Sweet FA from the oil (or anything else for that matter). Don't think about your upbringing too much. Well on 2nd thoughts, not bothered.
65
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't forget to take your forged students union ID card with you! Or you will not get in.......and try and get a girlfriend! Do you good!
I reckon it's fair enough that 'anonymous businessman' wants to stay anonymous, to go risk the wrath of both our current crop of mercurial electeded reps and big pie man Spinky in one go would take be business suicide.
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi! Anyone seen this article whereby Spain will sell RGS 20 Mirage jets?
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/419522/Jet-fighter-threat-to-the-Falkland-Islands
Looks like the Black Widdow is at it again.
68 .... Should Argentina NOT enhance its air-force ?
Aug 03rd, 2013 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you ?
Naturally this will bring out the sun readers with numerous theories and full of hot air about how Britain will still win.
This is just a natural step for Argentina's military, just as I discussed with Yankee some weeks back. :)))
Already the tabloids are coming out with sensationalist knuckledragger stuff like insults about the pampa, saying its a Kirchner distraction, reminding everyone how awesome eurofighters are. All entirely un-necessary.
It was entirely predictable and in the works for some time, there was talk of it and an obvious boost in the military budget.
Im only surprised its F-1's and not something more advanced.
Anyway, expect another purchase in the next few years.
All hot air and paranoia should be directed towards condor 2 missile speculation.....that would be a far greater threat.
(64) Islander1
Aug 04th, 2013 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhh…. All those (1) Pom expert(s)……
How many do you say have had a look at the Puerto William project….?
Let us have a look ourselves at the Admiralty Chart, and form our own, uneducated opinion, shall we….?
http://www.falklandislands.com/shopimages/imagelibrary/pdfs/harbour-info-basic.pdf (Page 15)
1) Puerto Estanley (Fipass) has the same depth as the proposed site in Puerto William.....
2) Puerto Estanley is a natural harbor with noneed of dredging because there is not any significant sedimentation (Of course, a “New Harbor Salesman” will argue that “eventually” Puerto Estanley will need dredging…… eventually meaning, in this case, some 30 million years)....
3) I doubt very much that the Pom expert(s) has/have included in their calculations the cost in time and money of the 20 miles round trip each and every time somebody, somewhere needs a pack of cigs.....
4) A modernized/recycled Fipass at the current Fipass location is the right, sensible and practical “Kelper” alternative…. An alternative opposed of course, by those hoping to make loads of money from a Pharaonic harbor project somewhere else and by those Pom newcomers that want to preserve Puerto Estanley “romanticism”…..
(67) WestisBest
Long time no see…..
Hope all well in overpopulated Gran Malvina…..
As always, you Westies cooking things down to a few, loving words…..
I can nearly visualize ”Big Pie Man Spinky” bludgeoning our “Anonymous Businessman” to death with his very own cricket bat ;-)))
What, still no share prices!
Aug 04th, 2013 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor A-hole his only experience of “government” is some corrupt crypto-fascist regime, where the government “keeps” tax revenue.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0He doesn't realise outside his ignorant conspiracy theories straight out of “Marxism today” that government only has money that it receives from taxation, and provides services and benefits based on its income (or borrowing).
There is no “government money”
So, in the UK, where at its peak the North Sea oil income was worth about £1 a day per person, we all received £1 a day in either extra tax cuts, or increased services. Easy to miss £1 a day, but there nonetheless.
However, in the Falklands, Sealion alone will give the islanders income of $1000 per day per person. how fantastic is that! Far more difficult to miss....and if they don't like what their government chooses to with with respect to tax reduction (elimination) or new fantastic services (health care, transport, education), they can elect a different one.
$1000 per day per person A-Hole, no wonder your jealousy is as huge as your ignorance...poor A-hole...what an A-Hole
Turnip at (72)
Aug 04th, 2013 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop blabbering English turnipidities and learn how the very same mineral resource has been and continues to be correctly managed by a Social Democratic Country just a few miles East of the British Isles……:
The Norwegian Government Pension Fund
(Statens Pensjonsfond ) is a fund into which the surplus wealth produced by Norwegian petroleum income is deposited……
As of the valuation in June 2011, it was the largest pension fund in the world…..
As of March 31st 2013 its total value is NOK 4.182 trillion ($712.7 billion), holding one percent of global equity markets……
With 1.78 percent of European stocks, it is said to be the largest stock owner in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway#The_Government_Pension_Fund_.E2.80.93_Global
What do you say you English got?
£1 a day in either extra tax cuts, or increased services?
And where did the rest of the money end, Mr. Besserwisser?
Educate yourself, Turnip…..
Think.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! comparing the economy of a country with a population of 4 million to that of a country with 64 million.
Now that is what I call truly representative.
Shit, London alone has a population nearly twice the size of the entire country of Norway.
Try following your own advise.
....and! Turnip at 73 where do our Norwegian friends invest their pension fund? - lots of it in Britain. They remember the country that never abandoned them and sided with the Nazis like you lot. They come to London to shop and attend the theatre, to Wimbledon, Ascot, Glastonbery, they love the British. They even come and watch Pantos.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You continually show some knowledge of Britain and the Falklands but its always flawed which just makes you look an idiot like your boss Gollum. You are like Manuel - “ I know nooothing - que?”
As for the oil and gas revenues, you ain't getting any...and by the time they arrive the dump you live in will be even more of a dump than it is now. Toodle pip!
Turnip at (74)
Aug 04th, 2013 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 05 or 50 million Norwegians.... the result would have been the same....
Norway choose the correct policy of nationalising the Oil resource and deposit most of its revenue in a pension fond.....
NOTHING other than wild neoliberal economic ideology prevented the UK to do the same as Norway did.
The results are there for everyman to see.....:
The Norwegian oil and its profits are the property of the Norwegian People.
The UK oil and its profits are the property of some Multinational Companies.
# 76 There you go again. You know about 10% of the real story. North sea oil is heavily taxed and that tax goes to the UK exchequer.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0More important for you, Falklands oil will benefit Falklands folk and pay for their defence against the neighborhood bully. Their pension fund will be ginormous. Toodle pip! Regards to Gollum, he wants it, but he ain't getting it....
@66 Yeah, we know you “pole”-vault from “boy” friend to “boy” friend. Should you be giving advice to someone who is normal? Remember, it's rude to speak with your mouth full. So take that dick out first. And the balls.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0@68 Doesn't seem anything to be concerned about. Mirage F1s. Replaced by Eurofighter Typhoons in Spain. A 70s aircraft. Which says a lot!
@69 It isn't a “step”. It's a necessity because the other Mirages are grounded.
@70 Still punting that “extract”, Twinky? Incidentally, since you like picking others up, what's “noneed”? Did you know that “harbor” isn't English? It's American. Many of whom can't spell.
@73 Think (hahahahaha), it's you needs educating. Seems like the cost of living in the UK is 39.17% less in the UK compared to Norway. Research, kiddikins, research!
@76 Except that the UK has a different “model”. One that you don't have enough brain to understand. Not surprising considering your ethnic origin. Latinos have always been pretty brain-dead. A simple example. 1982. A little-known archipelago called the Falkland Islands. Nearby territories called South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. The latino brain-dead thought they could “take” British territory. Actual “hostilities” only took 54 days. Then 11,313 argie cowards needed to go home. Should have dumped the lot in the ocean. By the way, what's a “fond”? And your explanation for “everyman”? Latinos are so dumb. They try. For a short period they make sense. Then they run out of intelligence. Only takes a couple of questions and they gabble. A tiny minority of latinos are capable of serious debate or discussion. Latinos are shit in a basket with a hole in it.
Turnip at (77) says...:
Aug 04th, 2013 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There you go again. You know about 10% of the real story. North sea oil is heavily taxed and that tax goes to the UK exchequer.”
I say....:
Jupppppppp........ every penny of it stolen from my beloved Scotland...
http://www.oilofscotland.org/scottish_north_sea_oil.html
Think-70 - actually most cigs come over 35 miles into town at present from the cargo ship that discharges at Mare Harbour.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the planned dockfront in Port Willianm will be deeper than the current one at FIPASS.
Stanley harbour bottom is quite a lot of silt and mud- -hence the need for digging it out - and more again when it recollects.
Folks here have no problem with current operations in the harbour at present pier- nor an extension to it to allow extended ops over the next 5 yrs or so - but it is simply not in the best place longer term for
shipping reasons - as well as very close proximity to the town which is a consideration when you need to plan ahead as even if the harbour was dredged, the space is for eastwards expansion and that is into even shallower water where even more sediment collects.
So what is planned is logical - just needs to be worded and timed a bit more realistically. It is also where the majority of the fishing industry want it to be - at they are the real long term justification for the new port - that industry will still be here in 30 years time - oil may not- but it will have paid for the port!
'Falklands alert as Argentina strikes £145million deal for 20 Mirage warplanes - President Cristina de Kirchner personally agreed the £145million deal to buy 20 second-hand Mirage F1 jets from Spain...'
Aug 04th, 2013 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/falklands-alert-argentina-strikes-145million-2121901
'Viola: the trawler that fought World War One ~ ...In 1982, the vessel played an inadvertent role in the Falklands conflict, which started when a group of Argentinian scrap metal merchants, infiltrated by the country’s marines, landed on South Georgia and raised their flag. The party’s original task had been to break up the Dias and other objects.
When British forces arrived to retake the island, the action took place around the vessel. The operation included the disabling of an Argentine submarine, Santa Fe, in waters just in front of the ex-trawler by British helicopters. It was the first time helicopters had achieved such a feat and echoed the clash in which Viola had assisted in the first “kill” of a U-boat by an airship, 64 years earlier....'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/falklands-alert-argentina-strikes-145million-2121901
'The Anti-Imperialist Summit defines work for Bolivia access to the sea ~ ...Among these causes, the Anti Summit also approved the proposal imperial plating powers regain territories occupied by extranjerasen Latin America, as is the case of the Falkland Islands, located in Argentina...'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/falklands-alert-argentina-strikes-145million-2121901
'Lima received Peruvian mayors Summit ~ ...Finally, expressed “deep gratitude to the Peruvian people, having been off the Argentina in our claim for sovereignty in the Falkland Islands,” and recalled that “Peru was the nation that supported us in this just claim, as on the occasion of the war of 1982 became available from Argentina to its armed forces.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/falklands-alert-argentina-strikes-145million-2121901
78
Aug 04th, 2013 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! A clearer picture finally......I can see what is prevalent in your thoughts and explains all this macho stuff you spout.........boy friends.......dicks.......balls.....
.......I see your preference...........
.......GET TO DA CHOPPPPPPPPAH
.....for your special interest, a bit of macho flesh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU&feature=endscreen
;-0
'Alarm in the UK for possible sale of Spanish warplanes to Argentina -
Aug 04th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0A half British Conservative assumes purchase by our modern country Mirage aircraft, which would imply a “danger” to the Falklands.
Always been known that the UK tabloids like the warning lights turn on any movement of Argentina regarding its policy towards the Falklands, more when it comes to issues related to the area of defense.
First things first: the Argentina is negotiating with the Spanish government for some time to acquire a number of Mirage F-1M that Spain was discharged in June, and trying to sell to third countries, tending more negotiations advanced with our government.
The news was confirmed on 24 July by the newly appointed defense minister, Agustín Rossi, amid the impact of the appointment of Cesar Milani in front of the army, and went almost unnoticed by the press.
As explained by the site Aviation Argentina , Rossi was traveling that day I Tandil Armored Brigade and VI Air Brigade, seat of the Mirage III / V, and explained that “we are working with the government of Spain, in an important opportunity to consider this, that's exactly right, the Mirage are fulfilling an important role in the North Shield, which works with a radar installation ”...'
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/481407-preocupaventa-de-aviones-de-guerra-espanoles-a-la-argentina/
'Identity charade'
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/481407-preocupaventa-de-aviones-de-guerra-espanoles-a-la-argentina/
'To make the voice of the region - The President will lead the Council's discussion Tuesday. Propose to boost cooperation between the United Nations and regional organizations in maintaining peace. Tomorrow we meet with the UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon...'
http://www.mdzol.com/nota/481407-preocupaventa-de-aviones-de-guerra-espanoles-a-la-argentina/
@79
Aug 04th, 2013 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 or 50 million Norwegians make no difference to how they run their economy.
Your off your RG head, no wonder it's so ferked up down there.
Lots of news today for both Gibraltar and the FI...
Aug 04th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Cristina travels to New York to speak at the UN -
The President will depart this evening to the United States, where on Tuesday to deliver a speech to the Security Council of the United Nations Organization. Falklands again ordered.
In the midst of the election campaign, and a week before the primary election, Cristina Kirchner will travel to New York tonight, where on Tuesday to deliver a speech to the Security Council of the United Nations Organization (UNO).
The Government has not specified what the mandatory activity for tomorrow, but on Tuesday, in his speech, is intended to refer to the claim for the sovereignty of the Falklands , a ruling against espionage conducted by the United States and Mercosur countries order to reform the agency aimed to eliminate permanent seats, could know Noticias Argentinas official sources.
British diplomatic sources, meanwhile, are waiting for the president's speech Argentina and uncertain about what might get to say and to propose regarding the Malvinas issue...'
http://www.diariopopular.com.ar/notas/165076-cristina-viaja-nueva-york-hablar-la-onu
Interesting that the newspapers don't seem to know the difference between a Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Originally to be 8 Mirage F1s with 4 as spares, it seems the Dark Country is getting 20.
A little more ancient than the Thunderjets they were after from their Chinese mates.
I'm not sure why people think that the Mirage F1 is a great threat to the Falkland Islands, unless the RAF plans to pull out altogether or that the UK refuse to lauch any self defense missiles at them.
If the Argies do attack-the F1s need to be loaded with fuel tanks or have some refuelling Hercules hovering around to enable them to get back.
Might cause some amusement if the F1s attack when there is a British sub in the area as the returning pilots might find they don't have a runway to return to.
I would be more worried if the Spanish had sold them Matador 2 aircraft or the Typhoons they are planning to sell to one of the other South American countries.
An oil port near the town is dangerous for accidents which may cause environmental disasters, pollution and even diseases.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is better to build it out of town.
Regarding Mirages aircraft, Typhoon and war, I have a better idea.
Why not look for ways to integrate and work together in peace for the good of all?
Please I can not believe no one will agree with me...
@87 Malvinese 1833,
Aug 04th, 2013 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All your country has to do is drop their ridiculous “claims” to OUR country, South Georgia & other British territory in the South Atlantic & we CAN be friends.
We can even co-operate on a variety of local issues.
We don't claim your country & so you should not claim ours.
You should know by now that the word “malvinas” is highly offensive to us.
Peace
1833- no oil will be coming ashora at an oil port -in-by-near or away from the town! That will all go direct from the oddshore field.Old
Aug 04th, 2013 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mirages? - no threat - they are the same class of aircraft as you has 31 years ago! Old stuff old technology - thats why Spain is selling them cheap.
I agree with Isolde- it is not us who has been nasty and unpleasant these last few years - you get your President to change her language a bit- we sent her an invite to talk over ayear ago- no answer from her yet.
Dear Isolde and Islander1: It is not so difficult to reach an agreement. You must give an honorable exit to Argentina, i think.
Aug 04th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A who fear so much? Why are you so afraid?
wish know to Isolde, to the people of the islands but there is always a but.
90 Malvinese
Aug 04th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you saying that the Islanders must be careful not to offend Argentina??
Do you remember the public insults that CFK, Timerman, and the Argentine made about the Islanders??
Do you remember the insults and charges you make in the world press and the UN, insulting the Falklanders, the UK, and the British people??
Do you recall the groups of nationalities you assemble with the purpose of lying and accusing the UK and FI of crimes ?
Poor Argentina, don't hurt their feelings...
@90
Aug 05th, 2013 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are a number of ways Argentina can get an honourable exit:
1) A huge media campaign in Argentina outlining the ridiculous hypocrisy of their claim. How on eath the Falklands can be Argentine based on a “colonialism”, “usurption” and “territorial integrity” argument, and Patagonia also be Argentine using the same analysis is beyond comprehension.
2) Argentina and its Malvinistas will continue their claims as they have “nothing to lose”. They know Britain will not retaliate to their childish rhetoric. This position should be changed. If 19th century colonialism, usurption and territorial integrity is paramount, the first action should be a complete withdrawal of alll “latinos” from Patagonia. “negotiations” towards an ICJ judgement should only begin after that has happened.
Why do fear a withdrawal from Patagonia Malvinese?
Is usurption ok when Argentina does it?
Is 19th century colonialism ok when it includes the genocide of Amerindians?
Is theft of resources ok when it is in Patagonia?
If you want to use your ludicrous Malvinista arguments with respect to the Falklands, you should be prepared to apply them closer to home first...otherwise you are a horrendous dishonourable hypocrite.
@90
Aug 06th, 2013 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You must give an honorable exit to Argentina, i think.”
That was given in the 1990s with the offer to share oil revenues found around the Falkland Islands and cooperation on fisheries to the benefit of all but Nestor turned down, 'the honourable exit.'
Also if your country was not a colonial relic from the 19th century, your 'honourable exit' would be the opportunity for Argentines to get employment in the Falkland Islands (ie like the Chileans), and make money from trading with the Islands (to Argentina's economic advantage).
Argentina's current attitude is 'we want everything, or nothing.'
Resulting in nothing.
If Argentina displayed 'peace' to the islands, they may not get the territory, but would instead make huge amounts of money out of the Falklands, which instead, now goes to Chile or the UK
At the moment, because the Argentines do their very best to make sure the Islanders will hate them forever, Argentina has;
1/-No large numbers of Argentines working in the Falklands (as opposed to being unemployed in Patagonia. If they had, this would be of huge economic benefit to Argentina.
2/-No Argentine airlines serving the Falklands (to Argentina's economic benefit).
3/-The Falkland Islanders buying £ms of goods from Chile, instead of that money being spent in Argentina.
4/-No involvement in the Falkland oil industry, which will increasingly lose Argentina a lot of money in the future.
5/-By turning away ships that visit the FIs from Argentine ports, and disenfranchising tourists from many countries, Argentina is losing money hand over fist in supplying these ships and taking the rich tourists money.
The Argentines just have no clue that the best way to stick two fingers up at the UK and the Falkland Islanders, would be to pretend to be friendly, drop their claim to sovereignty, trade with the Islands and get every £ they can off them.
At the moment Argentina looking down their snobby noses at the Islanders has got them a big fat zero
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