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CFK lectures Security Council: end of veto power and UK must abide Falklands’ resolution
President Cristina Fernandez, CFK, used the opportunity of Argentina at the rotating chair of the United Nations Security Council to demand an end to the veto power of its five permanent members (United States, Russia, China, Britain and France), and criticize the UK refusal to engage in Falkland Islands sovereignty discussions. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesShe obviously doesn't understand the UN then? What a waste of space.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 025 minutes late. nice touch.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess if all you have come for is to waste everyone's time, then you might as well start late as well.
This odious woman and her lackey, Hector Timerman, are only upholding what is written into the Constitution of the Republic of Argentina which was amended immediately after the armed conflict of 1982 was resolved by Britain.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians are taught from the cradle by way of propaganda, myths and fairy tales that the Falklands archipelago was usurped by Britain in 1833 - it is brain washing that is not even subtle.
All this in spite of the existence of a treaty, the Arana Southern treaty, which was ratified in 1850 by the United Kingdom and Argentina and clearly states in its Article 7 that there were no matters which impeded friendship between our two nations.
Furthermore, Argentina fails to show any inclination to use the offices of the International Court of Justice to resolve this long standing dispute. And, claiming that Britain fails to recognise UN resolutions, Argentina should also acknowledge that it failed to recognise a UN resolution which required it to withdraw its invading forces from the Falkland Islands in 1982.
Britain must remain firm in this matter.
She wants to end the veto power of the 'big' 5 does she.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well the permanent members of the security council EARNED their status by standing up to the evil of the axis powers, and SACRIFICING hundreds of thousands of their people in the struggle for WORLD freedom.
Each of the permanent members of the security council became the driving force for the establishment of the UN.
And what has Argentina done for the world EVER in their short history?
What sacrifices for the good of all mankind have the people of Argentina made?
So quite frankly, CFK, and the rest of the tin-pot dictatorships should be told to foxtrot oscar, because they only want the veto removed so they can push through their illegal and dictatorial stances.
In the meantime, the permanent members of the security council are the countries that have the actual ability to do more than just talk, when the situation arises.
Also the 5 permanent members of the security council PAY more to the UN than any non-permanent members of the SC.
So if the veto is removed, so should their obligation to fund.
I wonder just how much Argentina pays to remain a member?
What an amateur.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Australia is next to hold this position. Watch and learn how a mature and civilised country handles itself on the world stage.
I have to seriously consider CFK to be mentally unstable or on the receiving end of really, really has advice in how she represents her country.
She expects people to respect her yet she has the effrontery to arrive 25 minutes late for the meeting that she is chairing.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0(I believe she has walked out of meetings herself when others have turned up late).
Resolution 2065 is no longer in force. It died ...... in 1982.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“My country and the UK must engage in negotiations of the Islands sovereignty. This isn’t a caprice posture, it’s not a question of saying we are right, we want the UN resolution to be complied and discuss a controversial and litigant issue”.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What negotiations can there be when they have stated in their constitution:-
“The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
if im right in thinking that the hysterical banshee is against the memeber veto and I quote her,
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0” we can't deal with the problems in this new world with old instruments and old methods.”
yet in the same rancid breath she champions a resolution that was created in the 60s also during the cold war sounds like double standards to me or just plain good old fashioned argentine mis-information and hypocracy.
and as lord ton says that resolution is dead, when argentina attacked a peaceful community of peoples with human rights that the argentines chose to take.
abuse of power springs to mind!
Perhaps she was late because she couldn't afford a taxi from the airport.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0As she gets older it takes longer to put on the war paint.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't help but feel that removing the veto would lead to more war, not less. How anyone can sit in the same room with this filthy little expansionist without feeling dirty is beyond me. Well actually, it's not beyond me, because so many Latin American politicians have shown they are utterly morally bankrupt by being very happy to screw the Falklanders.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I still hope the freak stays in power in Argentina though.
l too, hopes that she stays in power.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt was obvious what she was going to rant about but l don't think the big five took a lot of notice.
Would you if some smelly, unbalanced upstart, began lecturing you as to how to run your business & wanted to remove your final say in said business?
Hey Cristina, have you ever heard of the ICJ?
Please take your hysterics & ramblings there if you're really serious.
ldiota.
First lesson in winning over an important and relevant audience is not keeping them waiting for a last minute facial bondo job.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got luck ridding the big guys veto power who have earned created the UN and earned that role.
BTW, if UNASUR is so impressive at settling disputes, send them to the middleeast. Where were they in Rwanda with the Hutu's and Tutsi. How long has FARC been terrorizing Colombia? Do something in the Congo. Nothing about North Korea and Iran Christina? Go back south, your country misses you. Don't forget your shopping spree.
BTW, has anyone other than Latam said anything about espionage? No...why? Because that is the way it is...period.
It's as simple as that.
Come on Think-Marcos-Axel etc - where are are - or are you to ashamed to come on here and try to praise up such a dumb,stupid thick irrelevant old woman?
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine there was probabaly an embarrased painfull silence when she and the twit left the room - then a rolling burst of hilarity and laughter.
Ermm....“We call on the UK to respect UN Resolution 2065 which calls on the British to sit and discuss the Malvinas sovereignty. My country and the UK must engage in negotiations of the Islands sovereignty.” No it does not, it makes note of a sovereignty dispute, but 2065 is about the granting of independence. Typical Argentine, lies and half truths to make their cause sound legitimate.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did she also forget that Ban Ki Moon stated that no members of the security council were in breach of UN resolutions.....so the President of Argentina has just willfully lied infornt of the UN......will they never learn.
I wish he USA would stop funding the UN withdraw membership and kick them all out of NYC.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a waste of money and time
CFK yet again embarrasses herself on the world stage. Is that whole country in a stupor?
The chairman de jour of the UNSC probably needed the extra half hour for her drugs for bipolarity to stabilise her. This is understandable, and will be noted in the record but may not be released to public scrutiny.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is the Falkland Islands issue a Security Council matter?
I doubt if the chairperson decides the agenda, but some group of civil servants must have given her leave to pronounce on whatever is on her mind.
As for ending the veto power of the 'Big 5' ... LEPRecon (#4) explains cogently that respect has to be earned and that 'off the wall' arguments by minor nations cannot be allowed to prevail in a complex, globalised world.
Such a stupid, mendacious cow. Perhaps she could have mentioned UN Security Council resolution 502. A rather outstanding resolution that argieland failed to comply with. Perhaps she could also have pointed out the actions of Unasur in exacerbating the illegitimate actions of mercosur. It is an indication of her power-hungry ambitions that she asserts that all 193 U.N. members must implement U.N. resolutions. That would be like Iran and North Korea do, would it? As I have pointed out before, Britain is in no position to “negotiate” on the subject of Falklands sovereignty. The Falklands are a U.N. trust territory. Britain is the U.N. agreed trustee. Sovereignty negotiations would be a breach of that trust and of the U.N. Charter.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Patriota is, of course, as dumb as they come. He criticies NATO and yet mercosur and unasur do the same thing (coercion) by other means. What is the economic war against the Falkland Islands if not coercion? So many hypocrites in latam!
I imagine the RG Trolls are flexing their fingers to send us their usual nonsense after drooling over the words of their great leader who has just chaired a meeting telling some of the worlds most experienced peace keepers how to run their business. From the mouth of a woman who can hardly run a tap, let alone a whole Nation that is still trying to grow from decades of dictatorship and struggles to know the difference between dictatorship and democracy. Her hypocrisy is breath-taking! There are so many areas of her poisonous speech that can be torn to threads one can hardly know where to begin. Its that bad I suppose the best thing to do with it is file it under 'Best Ignored'.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“President Cristina Fernandez, CFK, used the opportunity of Argentina at the rotating chair of the United Nations Security Council to demand an end to the veto power of its five permanent members”
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0What the hell?????
Where does she get the idea that she has the authority to “Demand” this?
Where does she get the idea that anyone will listen??
Three little words KFC........
What a Clown.
Cristina the comedy leader who just keeps on giving.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0So leaders of the Worlds most powerful countries just wait around for half an hour while I get ready Oh & now I have arrived late I want you all to get rid of your Veto power even though you as the 5 most powerful nations actually pay for everything & are the ones who have to sort out the world mess & I still want you to do that at your expense. Then i want you to force all member states to abide by non-binding UN resolutions. Yes I know Argentina has a habit of being the one that actually breaks them but they are non binding so we are within our rights to ignore them but I want you to make Britain follow UN Resolution 2065, you know the non binding resolution that we actually broke 20+ years ago that's no longer active as we broke it when we went to war.
Pure Comedy Gold Critsina, you should do standup
Making a fool of herself again. She revealed how stupid an diluted she is, and may have just taken another step toward losing her seat.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 07:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are bringing there buzzword to the UNSC. They want to democratize the UNSC.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/130806/venezuelan-fm-advocates-democratization-of-the-un-security-council
Funny how madman maduro and venezuela talk about democracy as they murder the opposition, media has been suspended and owner arrested and money account have been confiscated. Is this the democracy they are referring to?
@5 Leprecon @19 Conquerer
Aug 07th, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too right.
These south american groups failed to represent all the countries in there zones and certainly aren't hot on the rights of falklanders. They simply aren't grown ups.
LOL @ CFK.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0she really is a superb source of entertainment.
These 5 “bigs” have represented the security council but the world its not more safe and secure with them, if not they wouldnt be closing embassies round the world afraid of terrorism.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Real peace never comes, always fighting, and the bad dictators (Im against all kind of terrorism) had been killed.
Empower every region org to resolve their own problems, its not sth new, Ive read it before, its what you do, and others must do to.
I really am quite excited at the nonsense that will, I hope, be posted here once the Cámpora trolls have woken up. Is it possible that they will defend “la vaca vieja”?
Aug 07th, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought Hollywood was the entertainment capital of the world, but KFCs efforts definitely top it!
Aug 07th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you imagine the Security Council without the veto powers? It would turn into a replica of the C24 - world rule by Ruritania!
Did anyone actually watch the “debate”? It was deathly dull until CFK came on. She seemed to be involved in an entirely different discussion to everyone else.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I couldn't really see the prurpose of it. Do they take a vote at the end or actually do anything constructive or is it just a way to pass the time until the next meal break with fine wine?
Peace can't be enforced by the “Big 5”, major 10.....or even the fabulous 50. When you have radicals that believe unless you are a Muslim you must die......there will never peace.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peace has to be wanted in order for there to be peace and it is not in the human genome. Humans by nature are violent just as the their nature is to survive and reproduce.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK you don't get to call the tune from where you are sitting.
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=ST/ADM/SER.B/866
Aug 07th, 2013 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is the most recent report of the assessed contributions to the UN from its member countries. The US is assessed at USD618 millions, the UK at USD132 millions and Argentina at USD11 millions. I assume that in order to achieve the changes she advocates la Kretina is willing to voluntarily increase Argentina's contributions at least to the level of the UK!
“facial bondo job”!
Aug 07th, 2013 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's funny.
It was my understanding that non-shooting territorial disputes were to be handled via the ICJ and not the UNSC by the UNSC's own guidelines. More still, why didn't she mention the BINDING UNSCR 502 that directed the Junta that she praised on the 2-peso coin to immediately leave the Islands they illegally seized back to british control, not “neutral” Junta-enabling “peacekeepers,” just to get out. That would be because she's a pathetic lying little wannabe fascist and a coward too afraid to sit a table with the elected representatives of a paltry 3000 people. How weak does a country of a 41 million have to be fear the self determination of so few who have never been ruled by Argentina except by cowards with guns and then only for a short time and, in turn, then in violation of the same council on which she dares to preach her hypocrisy.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We call on the UK to respect UN Resolution 2065 which calls on the British to sit and discuss the Malvinas sovereignty.”
Aug 07th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK did comply with 2065, it was Argentina that twice broke off the negotiations and once invaded.
Is Argentina going to comply with the part of resolution 2065 which says:
“Bearing in mind the provisions and objective of the Charter of the UN and of general assembly resolution 1514 (XV).
Both of which categorically state the Falkland Islanders have the right to self -determination.
Like “the UN does not recognise the rights of implanted populations”, or even that the Islanders are an implanted population, especially when compared to a country with a history like Argentina’s.
These argument by CFK & Co are at the intellectual level of a 9 year old or less.
Barrel - scrape, scrape.
Well, we all knew that TMBOA would provide us with a laugh when she “chaired” the meeting.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this is how they perform in meetings for The Dark Country “ruling elite” it is no wonder the whole place is screwed.
You could actually give marks out of ten for this:
Turning up 25 minutes late = 0/10
Understanding the role of Chairman = 0/10
Encouraging members to come together for the good of harmony and efficiency = 0/10
Not pushing old, irrelevant points solely relevant to The Dark Country = 0/10
At least she is consistently bad.
I think Kirchner misunderstands.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) The UN exists to serve the Security Council, not the other way around.
2) All of America belongs to the United States, from Ellesmere Island to the Beagle Channel, so we can spy on whoever we want.
OMG we have got a month of this. So has she asked Russia to give up their veto? She is sounding slightly crazy already, I wonder what she has in store next.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's entertaining if nothing else.
Pretty pathetic but what else would you expect from the leader of a third-world country?
Aug 07th, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is as Ban Ki-Moon said on 12th November 2012:
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/un-confirms-that-Britain-is-not-in-breach-of-resolutions-over-the-falklands/
UN Resolution 2065 is d e a d.
Comprende?
I'm waiting for Dilmas views on “giving up their right to veto”. Brasil's position is to get a permanent seat on the SC, WITH THE RIGHT OF VETO INTACT!!!!!!!
Aug 07th, 2013 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The letter of support sent to Gibraltar Falklands -
Aug 07th, 2013 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We would like to echo the sentiments of Britain” to the British rock whose sovereignty is disputed, as in the islands claimed by Argentina'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1608319-la-carta-de-apoyo-que-enviaron-de-malvinas-a-gibraltar
' The kelpers rejected creating a protected area -
...This could be the beginning of a new escalation. But the government did not talk about this topic. As part of national sovereignty claim, Argentina does not recognize any authority of the United Kingdom and the British government of the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, nor of their maritime areas....'
'“Views of the people of the Falkland Islands cannot be dismissed”'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1608319-la-carta-de-apoyo-que-enviaron-de-malvinas-a-gibraltar
'Kirchner compares Falklands to Palestine as she blasts Britain for refusing to negotiate over islands in UN speech'
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1608319-la-carta-de-apoyo-que-enviaron-de-malvinas-a-gibraltar
Where are the trolls? No support for their leader?
Aug 07th, 2013 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, my trolls too embarassed. Bloody woman! 25 minutes late shopping, I get stuck with idiot from Barkino Faso talking about bloody coconuts! Then she insult Security Council! BKM very annoyed. He say next time she must stick to agreed agenda, serious stuff.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42
Aug 07th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0liked the comment
“”That woman's got a face like my boxer chewing a wasp. - , Cardiff, 07/8/2013 17:48 “ That's not very nice ...im sure your boxer is better looking.”
She is an embarrassment. I guess she wanted to hang around in NYC stocking up on all the goods she can't get at home but by chairing the meeting she has demoted herself.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom is never free. CFK what a nutjob, tinman what a wimp. Still a whole month of comedy to look forward to
Aug 07th, 2013 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0President Cristina Fernandez, CFK, used the opportunity of Argentina at the rotating chair of the United Nations Security Council to demand an end to the veto power of its five permanent members
Aug 07th, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And thus the world went to war, all because the lady loved to bitch and cry,
But mainly because they were all to bloody scared to tell her to stop abusing her privileges and shut up..
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Suppose something positive has come out of this farce.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN now knows beyond any doubt what a total mad bitch CFK is.
@3
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She doesn't seem to know what 2065 asks for, so presumably she has never read 502
@4“
What sacrifices for the good of all mankind have the people of Argentina made?”
I expect the UN realise the Argentines have no concept of 'worldwide' concerns-an inward looking people too busy examining their ass to notice the rest of the planet.
@7
Correct, however she doesn't even seem to have read 2065 which veers towards the islands being independent.
@10
Think of the poor taxi drivers with that deathmask staring into the cab. 'Sorry, got someone else to pick up. Not in service, bye.'
@11
With a spraygun, like Cuprinol?
@12
“I still hope the freak stays in power in Argentina though.”
As obnoxious as she is-she's the FIs best hope NEVER to be Argentine
@13
“Hey Cristina, have you ever heard of the ICJ?”
If she really wanted to threaten the FIs-that's where she would go.
@16
“No it does not, it makes note of a sovereignty dispute, but 2065 is about the granting of independence”
You have obviously read 2065 whereas she hasn't-also the bits about interests of the population are there for a reason-ie the UK or Argentina do not count-it is to promote the autonomy of the Islanders vs the then colonial control of the UK-since 1982, the UK has complied.
@18
“Is the Falkland Islands issue a Security Council matter?”
To an inward looking country yes-obviously Syria and North Korea are not on her radar.
@19
“ Perhaps she could have mentioned UN Security Council resolution 502. A rather outstanding resolution that argieland failed to comply with”
She seems so keen for everyone else to comply yet cannot link 2065 and peaceful means to solve with the Argentines aggressive solution. And as much as she tries-she cannot erase 1982.
@22
“Pure Comedy Gold Critsina, you should do standup”
There is no doubt that Argentina are world beaters in this.
@27
If Argentina was in the 5, the world would have been blown to bits a long time ago-how much funding does CFK give to the UN?
CFK is back in Argentina. There was, no doubt, a collective sigh of relief echoing around the UN building in NYC.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has anyone noticed? No Malvinas nutters for @52 comments so far aside from Malen at @27, I wonder why? There're not embarrassed by Turkey neck and her side-kick Gollum are they?
Aug 07th, 2013 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'am also surprised the British delegation at the meeting didn't fall asleep half way through the assembly.
the trolls have given piece a chance !
Aug 07th, 2013 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The security council has been an irrelevant criminal outfit since they failed to prevent the invasion of Iraq, the action in Chechnya, the crack-down in Tibet, and other crimes against humanity. CFK gives that body the respect it deserves, zero. That's all, nothing mysterious about it.
Aug 07th, 2013 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@54 The Truth PaTroll
Aug 08th, 2013 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0At last the admitted troll appears and makes a typically moronic comment.
@54 Tobias
Aug 08th, 2013 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes Argentina who demands respect but NEVER earns it lecturing others.
Yet if the UN is so insignificant to Argentina, why is it your President and her hapless sidekick Timerman, are always BANGING on about it, quoting UN resolutions (that Argentina broke) and demanding that the UK abide by them.
The UN was set up to prevent another world war, in that respect it should be viewed as successful. They cannot, however, prevent conflict as that is too ingrained as a part of human nature. Unfortunately, useless governments (like Argentina) use the UN to vent their spleen knowing that it won't make any difference internationally, but it makes gullible people at home (like you Tobias) froth at the mouth because you believe that the world is actually listening to you and taking note. From that you believe that Argentina is an influential country, when the actual influential countries just shake their heads in amazement that someone (like CFK) can lie so often and rapidly.
The UN are not a world police force, they are an international body which is there to allow involved parties to discuss differences, and hopefully reach a settlement.
The UNSC is the only body on earth that can impose legally binding UN resolutions, you know, like the one that Argentina broke in 1982 (502). So when we look at the actual evidence (that's the thing that Argentina lacks in spades), we can see that only Argentina has broken UN resolutions regarding the Falkland Islands.
Your President didn't win any friends treating the UNSC in this manner. If Argentina were truly serious about the Falklands and is trying to win countries over to their side, disrespecting them by turning up late and keeping them waiting, is not the way to do it.
Argentina has also abused its position on the UNSC. Argentina is the representative of South America and the Caribbean. It is not their to act for itself, and itself alone.
I doubt Argentina will ever be asked to sit at the SC again.
“We call on the UK to respect UN Resolution 2065 which calls on the British to sit and discuss the Malvinas sovereignty. My country and the UK must engage in negotiations of the Islands sovereignty”
Aug 08th, 2013 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0The trouble with that statement is that Argentina doesnt mean it. When they talk about siting down and discussing sovereignty, what they really mean is asking when can the Argentine governor move into goverment house in Stanley, when can they send in the marines and how soon can start plundering the Falkland Islands treasury.
It is impossible to conduct 'negiotations' when one side has already decided the outcome before they begin.
Turning up at the Security Council 25 minutes late! Who do these people think they are?
@56 LEPRecon,
Aug 08th, 2013 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0l hope that she DOES get asked to chair the UNSC again.
lts highly entertaining & l take heart with the fact that she's pissing off any countries that were wavering regarding the Falklands.
We all know that she is a fruit cake & now other nations will be able to see it too.
l wonder if secretly she works for MI6! lol!
@57 downunder,
What a perfect analysis!
They just want to know when they can take over.
There will be NO negotiations, Argentina.
Get used to it!
#56. You got it, bloody woman disaster.
Aug 08th, 2013 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Should UNGA resolution still be valid (I do not believe it is) surely this would also make UNSC resolution 502 still valid. Therefore in the unlikely event that the Islanders ever gave the OK to become part of Argentina (not very likely under the current circumstances) then Argentina would never be allowed to defend the Islands with 'troops, or weapons, on the ground).
Aug 08th, 2013 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Aug 08th, 2013 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I disagree, there should ABSOLUTELY be negotiations on the Falkland Islands sovereignty. They should be documented.
Questions to Argentina:
Why do you believe that the current British sovereignty based on self-determination of the inhabitants (99.8%) is not valid?
1) The population is implanted (from Europe in 19th century)
2) The territory was usurped (in 1833)
3) The territory is an integral part of Argentina
In order to proceed to the next level of negotiations, we DEMAND Argentina MUST show through actions that it truly believes in the above three premises.
Argentina must:
1) Resign from the United Nations with immediate effect, it has no belief in the UN Charter and therefore should not be a member.
2) Withdraw all “implanted population” from Patagonia. We don't understand the term “implanted population” but we are happy to use the Argentine metric of anyone whos lineage cannot be traced 10 generations to the region.
3) Return all usurped territories to the indigenous (original population). We are prepared to accept “Spanish” usurped territories remaining as Argentine, but any territories added since 1833 must be returned.
4) Full economic compensation must be paid to the “original population” of patagonia because of the mineral and human damage caused by Argenitina.
These actions will show that Argentina is committed to its 3 premises outlined above.
When they are complete, Britain commits to taking the case of the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands to the Internation Court of Justice where we are confident that the inalienable right to self-determination, the historic claim of sovereignty of the islands from 1690, an the absence of any “usurption” in 1833 will stand us, and more importantly the islanders in very good stead.
Your move, Argentina.
Demand. The entire world United can't get Argentina to pay one cent, or work with the IMF, or stop the import restrictions. Yes, I know “you are all waiting for the collapse, that's why we just do nothing even though it all points to sheer incompetence and impotence to force Argentina to do what you want”.
Aug 08th, 2013 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Demand? hmmm.
@62
Aug 08th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just out of interest, how is it at Argentina as a country has somehow managed to avoid the kind of socialization process that most toddlers go through before about the age of three? You seem to believe that the a crept able standard of behaviour for yourselves is the worst of anybody else's standard of behaviour, and that you can behave like arseholes indefinitely with impunity. And down the plug hole you go.
We believe we should behave only marginally better than how others behave.
Aug 08th, 2013 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since we know how you in the north behave with everyone else, the bar is admittedly disturbingly low.
“The entire world United can't get Argentina to pay one cent, or work with the IMF, or stop the import restrictions.”
Aug 08th, 2013 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Correct, so the show continues as the world watches argentina go from a wealthy nation, do a dictorial republic, to another Democratic Republic of the Congo.......and eventually to South America's new Somolia. But people like you will get your handouts of barley soup, barley mush, barley grog, and..........
@64 The Truth PaTroll
Aug 08th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are just a ventriloquist's dummy being controlled by La Cámpora! Why don't you look at the truth and make up YOUR OWN mind instead of the moronic posts we have seen today?
I could care less about La Campora. I just don't buy into the whole “Europe/USA” are so benevolent apocrypha.
Aug 08th, 2013 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Aug 08th, 2013 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as I thought. You let these others you despise so much determine how you're going to behave. How very big of you.
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Aug 08th, 2013 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN Charter should be amended so that countries like Argentina and Zimbabwe
Aug 08th, 2013 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0could be expelled.
Philippe
WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton questions the mental health of Cristina Kirchner
Aug 08th, 2013 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8169552/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-questions-the-mental-health-of-Cristina-Kirchner.html
'“In Gibraltar and the Falklands, UK tries to hide his strategy neocolonial”
Aug 08th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/102444-gibraltar-malvinas-espana-argentina-londres
The FIG makes Austrian news ;)
“We need to talk” - the Falkland Islands and no end ~ ... The Gibraltar Government published on the occasion of the crisis with Spain a statement of support from the Falkland Islands. With concern, sources in the capital, Stanley...'
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/102444-gibraltar-malvinas-espana-argentina-londres
'The problem of the Falklands is still pending'
http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/102444-gibraltar-malvinas-espana-argentina-londres
I would suggest any pro islanders with a good grasp of German comments on the Austrian Article Steve-33-uk found:
Aug 08th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.wienerzeitung.at/nachrichten/welt/weltpolitik/567319_Wir-muessen-reden-die-Falkland-Inseln-und-kein-Ende.html
I thought I detected a subtle bias in the reporting (inaccurate and misleading). Poor reporting at best.
tobi are you down on titti milk again? What American ever claimed the USA is a benevolent nation? One thing I can tell you for certain, the EU and USA provide a hell of a lot more free food, medicine and other humanitarian aid then any in latam. Antiquated missiles to North Korea do not count.
Aug 08th, 2013 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 71 St.John
Aug 09th, 2013 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst that is an old article it still has some relevancy, as an example CFK has condemned the UK for 'contravening' resolution 2065 (I do not believe that the UK have contravened it should it even still be relevant, which the Secretary General and I believe it is not) when Argentina has blatantly, and very obviously, contravened it by the military invasion of the Islands in 1982.
@75. Uh... WHO walked away from talks February? Oh yes. That would **Argentina**. The country who lies like a rug with respect to 2065. It is Argentina who in **2013** is in open butt-nekkid violation of 2065, not the UK. Ironically, the UK, whom so many here says doesn't need to comply with 2065 because of 21982, is not only in compliance with 2065 but is EXPLICITLY in compliance. It is they who did exactly what they were supposed to do -- offer to meet with Argentina in February with the Islanders in the room to explicitly make sure that their interests were ignored and no honest observer could say otherwise -- especially against the fascist Malvanistas here who claim that Czech's ... sorry... Islanders... “interests not wishes” would be recognized; evil decision was made in Munich, 1938, and the world will never forgive anyone who ignores that lesson.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weird. Why is Argentinas President, the Head of State, addressing this routine meeting? Doesn't she have a Country to Govern? Given that Argentina has had about 6 military coups in the last 80 years and their governments have murdered about 20.000 of their own people within living memory, its a bit rich for her to lecture the world on human rights and democracy.
Aug 09th, 2013 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77 rupertbrooks0
Aug 10th, 2013 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0For the same reason she attended an even more insignificant meeting with the C24 last year. Domestic consumption.
This is her attempt to 'show' the Argentine people just 'how' influential she is by speaking to such an august body.
However, such acts are the acts of very desperate and insignificant leaders.
Argentina didn't win any friends at the UN because of CFK, in fact, more countries are more likely to try and distance themselves from someone who can blatantly lie so openly to an international body like this.
She also didn't win any friends by 'demanding' (Argentina doesn't know how to ask or suggest they can only demand), the removal of the Veto.
Her ignorance in understanding the importance of the Veto, and why the 5 most powerful countries (from a military point of view) in the world carry it, seems to have escaped her.
Imagine if there were no Veto. A classic example of this is Syria. The US wants more action to put 'boots on the ground' to overthrow the Syrian government. Russia supports the Syrian government.
So lets say there was no veto. The US garners enough support at the UN to put troops in. Russia doesn't like that, so they put troops in to support the Syrian government.
Then the next thing you know there is another major war, with 2 or more of the worlds most powerful nations (nuclear armed nations at that) fighting against each other.
However, with the veto, Russia can block the US, so there are no foreign troops (from any nation) on the ground in Syria.
I believe Russia would support a peace keeping force, not a peace enforcement force.
So without the veto, we have the possibility of world war 3 starting, with the veto, it is a regional conflict, which then makes all the powers look for a different solution.
CFK's idea is idiotic.
Exactly how many people in the UN have taken any notice whatsoever of CFK's demand to remove the veto, especially the top 5?
Aug 10th, 2013 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The most important that peace is no longer a militar concept. Irrefutable concept.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 080 malen
Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the language you “write” in related to English or is it as it appears, genuine gibberish?
@80 malen
Aug 10th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your irrefutable concept doesn't make any sense. Perhaps it has lost something in translation.
The veto, however, forces the world powers to look for solutions OTHER than military ones (perhaps that is what you mean).
CFK's idea to remove the veto is short-sighted at best as it is more likely to lead to military intervention than to stop it.
The way she spoke also sounded like a petulant child who doesn't like someone having something that they haven't got.
There is a very good reason for the veto being limited. The League of Nations, the precursor to the UN failed because too many countries had the veto, and nothing could ever get done.
The 5 countries with the veto are the founders of the UN, and were involved with it's development as early as 1944, when the initial discussions about setting up and international body took place.
These 5 countries were the Allied powers, who put their lives and their countries on the line to defend the world from the evil of the Axis powers. These 5 countries are the most powerful (from a military point of view) in the world, and pay more into the UN than any non-permanent security council member.
There has been talk of expanding the veto to allow 6 countries in total. A South American nation has been considered. It wasn't Argentina. Brazil was bandied about, but the truth is that currently they are too unstable, and wouldn't be able to afford the hike in 'membership' fee that joining the veto club would bring.
So in the short term, the UN will remain as it is.
Peace is no longer a militar concept. DO you get it now??? That was said at the UN.
Aug 10th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 083 malen
Aug 11th, 2013 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“That was said at the UN”
Please provide a link to who at the UN said “it”.
84
Aug 11th, 2013 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read and listen (if you know spanish)
www.infobae.com/notas/723580-Debemos-repensar-el-funcionamiento-de-los-organismos-de-la-ONU.html
Listen video at 10:20
Peace and security are or cannot be not militar concepts.
Spain and Argentina to get together against the UK
Aug 11th, 2013 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/gibraltar/10235937/Gibraltar-Spain-considers-joint-diplomatic-offensive-with-Argentina-over-Falkland-Islands.html
@85
Aug 11th, 2013 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you mean this? “Peace and security is not a military concept. Those who believe that peace can only be secured with the weapons; I think there are many examples showing that what they build societies are values and ideals”
But it was said by TMBOA! I thought you had a real commentator Who the hell is going to take ANY notice of this stupid bitch. Last year she ranted on about birds going from The Dark Country to the Falklands and coming back to The Dark Country as “PROOF” that the islands belonged to them.
I think you should apply to be a minister for TMBOA you will be as big an idiot as the rest of them.
If the Falklands did not have the armed force there your now defunct “Defence Minister” old Putridjelly himself dropped a clanger by admitting you would have invaded again. So much for peace without weapons, FFS!
come on chris.....bombs dont bring peace, in all countries you bombed there is no peace. Very easy to notice. The only thing there is: arms business, a lot of dead, a lot of conflict that never ends, a lot of puppets governments, a lot of robbing others resources and a lot of “reconstruction” of cities you destroy and money for your own pockets. Nobody eats glass any more. Very convinient just for a few, but how many had been killed?? millions and millions of people for nothing.
Aug 11th, 2013 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“bombs dont bring peace” It certainly worked on Argentine, 31 years of democracy, You are welcome.
Aug 11th, 2013 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 76 GFace
Aug 12th, 2013 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am as aware of the RG's multiple contraventions of UNGA resolution 2065 as the next person. I was just giving one example of it.
The really blatant hypocrisy, in my opinion, of Argentina is not their contravention of a non-binding UNGA resolution (2065) but accusing the UK of contravening it when they (RG's) so blatantly contravened mandatory, Article 27 of the UN Charter refers, UNSC resolution 502.
Similarly, for several years the RG's have voted 'for' UNGA resolutions which reiterate the rights of the 'populations' of the NSGTs to self-determination, without qualification or exception. The latest being 67/134 last year, paragraph 7(c) refers. If that does not qualify as hypocrisy I do not know what does.
Oh so, Cristi, we MUST abide by some dead decision, MUST we?
Aug 12th, 2013 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't have to MUST anything that involves Argentina.
What about Argentina? , who MUST abide by UNSC Resolution #502.
You plonkers just ignored it.
You need a damned good thrashing.
And of course when Argentina and Chile went to the ICJ over the Beagle channel islands-ICJ awarded them to Chile. Argentina did not accept this. I'm not sure they were happy when the pope was involved.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0This was the reason that the UK stalled over the negotiations to sell out the Islanders to Argentina as the Argentines refusal to obey the ICJ gave the British doubts about any promises the Argentines would make about the Falkland Islanders, even if Argentina signed a document.
So because Argentina proved they were unreliable, even after agreeing to something, therefore the UK could not accept any Argentine promise to regard the islanders rights, so Argentina lost the chance to get the Falklands forever.
How stupid was that, when the UK were (wrongly in my opinion) TRYING to find a way to give the Islands to Argentina.
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