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Cristina Fernandez defeated in Argentina’s main electoral districts; Massa pledges ‘end to confrontation’
President Cristina Fernandez Victory Front managed to remain as the leading political force nationwide on Sunday’s congressional primaries but her opponents emerged exceptionally strong in the all-important province of Buenos Aires and the other main districts of the country, to the extent that some political analysts anticipate the beginning of the end of the ten years of Kirchnerism. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMemo to CFK: Getting the young vote out hasn't helped, perhaps the dead will assist in future.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind Mrs Kirchener, those that vote against you are actually implanted and shouldn't really be allowed to vote at all.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 02:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sad to see your once loyal though supercilious implant - Tinka, Voicedover, BK, Vestige desert you but you have to admit he wasn't up to much.
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 12th, 2013 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could Falklander's society collapse into chaos without the magnificent unifying force that is CFK?
With over a third of these plastic Spanish well over a thousand miles away from the Falklands, they clearly don't know how important having a wicked witch flying about is to forging a nation.
Or then again, maybe she is just good entertainment. Massa and Macri look far too boring.
Booooo!!!! To the nasty ingrates. Do they not realise her husband is dead?
She can't go yet, she has way more damage to do to Argentina. Only after a full economic collapse will her work be complete - that is why they elected her in the first place, the 10 year cycle has to be completed.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Them's the breaks CFK.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0History will judge you.
Ding dong!
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Prepare to see Maximo killed in a mysterious car accident in early October and a weeping Cristina wearing more black than ever on election day.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is nobody going to bother with legal action over her blatant disregard of election law? Is Argentina that corrupt that it doesn't even cross anyone's mind??? There would be scandal and outrage if that happened in Europe.
Lets put facts straight here.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0For you that hoped that this would be some kind of end to the socialism in Argentina, think again.
Because who won these elections?
Lets have a look at the 5 main provinces that the officialism lost.
Buenos Aires, Province - Massa 1st, FpV (Kirchnerism) 2nd, and FAP 3rd.
Massa is peronista too, although in opposition. FAP are a social democrat party.
Buenos Aires, City - PRO (Macri) 1st. UNEN 2nd, FpV 3rd.
Here you have a major loss, as Macri is right winger, but he got 30%, almost as much as the other 2, where UNEN is even more left than the officialism.
Cordoda - de la Sota's people 1st (opposition peronism), Unión cívica 2nd, FpV 4th.
Unión cívica is again a left wing party.
Santa Fe - FAP 1st, PRO 2nd, FpV 3rd.
Mendoza - Opposing personism 1st, FpV 2nd, free runner 3rd.
Here all top spots belong to either FpV or former FpV.
All in all, major blow to Kirchnerism in Argentina, but the left wing is as strong as ever.
Good times.
#8
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is truly interested in all that stale facts guff?
We want the fun of circus. Send on the regimes clowns.
Anticipate a state visit to Zimbabwe.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The tactics that worked for Mugabe could be tweaked to keep CFK in power ... for ever.
@8 Stevie
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Good times”.
Correct Stevie.
It will be great if CFK changes the constitution and stays in power, so from my point of view those results are indeed good news.
The results do not represent an election but if there is more opposition after one, , rather than be more contrite, CFK will get even more extremist, and mess up Argentina more in the standard operating procedure Argentina takes (apart from Menem) which results in sh1t or bust.
The long needed kick up the ass it has given to Falkland Island politicians to actually speak up for their country and combat Argentina's blatant lies concerning history/UN resolutions has been an absolute gift wrapped present complete with satin bow from CFK.
Argentina just does not realise what a spectacular own goal it has scored.
This would be more difficult of course if Argentina were run competently, but the increase in Falkland Islanders taking more responsibility for their foreign policy, allied with future increased revenues (even if fairly limited-but still more than they have now) and knock on industry means they are leaving any chance of colonisation by Argentina behind.
Helping the Falkland Islanders, will be the inability of Argentina to emasculate the Falklands oil industry, and its subsequent developments, so at this vital stage in the Islanders transition to future independence, it is vital that CFK remains in power to emasculate Argentina and continue its impotence.
When a more competent government eventually emerges to run Argentina, they will realise that Argentina has lost it for 40-50 years by pretending the Islanders do not exist rather than winning them over to WHY they should prefer Argentine nationality.
By then the islands will be well on the way to a future independence, so the best the Argentines can do then is to become friendly so that the islands assist them with employing Argentines and buying services and supplies off Argentina, thus adding to the Argentine economy.
Pete
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was talking about the elections in Argentina.
I have little interest in a bunch of Brits occupying some islands in the Atlantic...
The voting polls were a joke. The people sitting at the table seemed to all be employees of CFK. Not one of them looked fit to run a cash register at a grocery store.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The voting took place inside a school that was dirty, cracked, paint chipping off the walls, and very little regulation. It was as if you knew fraud would take place. In either case, the people have spoken, and CFK will be punished for her stupidity.
#1 My father in law's father has been dead almost 30 years and is still listed as a registered voter.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Socialism is the people's choice. The biggest victory will be in denying Kirchner a third term and weakening her platform of thievery. In the end it will not matter as Argentina is locked on a course of self destruction.
Ah ha so now we know why KFC is so active in the UN right now. remember early 1982 when similar issues came to light and a then leader in argie land was seen to be less popular. Maybe old plastic face will melt down before she has a chance to stir up to much more trouble.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand she has done so much for us Islanders with her continues soap boxing maybe we should support her in staying in power. What is that saying better the devil you know...
The while of SA is dooming itself following the path of Castro and Chavez, the road to ruin. The colonial power Spain has become a basket case too. People in these countries seem to stupidly assume that socialism will deliver a decent life. Even the Russians and Chinese have abandoned that view.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do I care?
The axis of weasel - lol!
#11
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting and thoughtful post. You are so correct re the lack of competent government, first and foremost for the well being of the Argentines themselves.
#12
The 'elections' are of interest to the Falklands as pointed out by Pete Bog, if only in the hope that a sensible and rational government in Argentina may one day emerge.
@8, 12 You seem to be quite “restrained”. Could it be that the worms of argieland are turning and realising that Kirchner is killing the country and stealing at the same time? Mind you, it seems that K supporters form about 60% of the population. Or perhaps it's less now. And so you turn into an apologist. What was wrong with saying that K lost 5 provinces? Now let's move on to the next important questions. When will CFK be removed from office? When will she be indicted for theft? When will the trial start? How many years will she get? Is there a particularly nasty prison where she can spend the rest of her unnatural life?
Aug 12th, 2013 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0conq
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't really care about Kirchnerism, all I know is that socialism is thriving all across South America...
;)
Although we all knew this is what should have happened, there was always the lingering doubt in my mind that TMBOA would fix the elections in her favour.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what went wrong? Not enough money spent to ‘encourage’ the vote in her favour?
Still she is not off her throne just yet but we can but hope. I know the Falklanders want her kept there for obvious reasons but the damage she continues to do to Uruguay is really unacceptable.
People like Stevie can spin it all they want but the facts are that things HAVE changed.
I wonder if I stand on my patio I can hear her screams?
This will be the final comment of this discussion.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is simple: BUDGET fight.
What do the five provinces where K lost have in common?
They produce more wealth to the federal government that they receive in return.
The north is backwards thus they receive more funds than they produce.
The south (through 50% reducation in energy prices) is subsidized by those 5 provinces.
Primary voters are actually savvier than general election voters (since while voting is mandatory many still do not vote), thus more aware of such political/budget plays.
Perhaps secondarily, they see the basket case that Anglo countries have become, seeking security by renouncing to freedom, and becoming both less free and less secure, as those people seem to just fail to understand that a police state has never brought safety to its citizens... and well, any further pushes here in that direction will not be accepted. Economic controls are fine, not personal freedom restrictions.
I wait for the day we see a sensible forward thinking Argentine Government, but honestly I don't think it's possible in my lifetime.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/11/mapuche-conflict-in-chile-flares-up-following-the-killing-of-local-indigenous-activist#comment267868
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crickets
#22 At least you can remove Kirchnerites. One step at a time. Don;t you love the FpV chant: We always have October......lololololol.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can never change the spots on a leopard, but you can change their behavior. I can visualize KFC on an IV drip of thorazene.....blended with librium and abilify.
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/11/mapuche-conflict-in-chile-flares-up-following-the-killing-of-local-indigenous-activist#comment267868
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/11/mapuche-conflict-in-chile-flares-up-following-the-killing-of-local-indigenous-activist#comment267868
”the Argentine president congratulated the Argentine people for their turnout (almost 80%)”
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did they have any choice?
@ 25 TTT Yawn
Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicken crosses road in San Martin - want to talk about it on this thread?
Ah, so the killing of an indigenous activist in Chile is to the British like a chicken crossing the road.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to know. I'll tell the Qoms that.
80% turnout where it is illegal not to good is a good turnout?
Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28 TTT
Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Cristina Fernandez defeated in Argentina’s main electoral districts; Massa pledges ‘end to confrontation”
The standard of troll defection in here is poor today, very poor indeed. Off to listen TMS.
TMS?
Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0What??
No memorial to attend this fine day of sobbing???
@7 “Is nobody going to bother with legal action over her blatant disregard of election law? Is Argentina that corrupt that it doesn't even cross anyone's mind??? ”
Aug 12th, 2013 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Argentina is that corrupt. The government is able to break election law and nobody can do anything about it because who can stop the government? Nobody, that's who.
I don't understand why people are talking about 5 districts where kirchnerism lost!!!!!
Aug 12th, 2013 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The kirchnerist plague lost in 14 districts and won in 8!!!!!!!!
The kirchnerist plague lost in ALL the major districts in the country, this truly is the beggining of the end of the plague!!!!!!!!
@33 Some hope at last?
Aug 12th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The end of the K's will not be pretty. The plan was to hold power indefinitely - Nestor messed up that plan - so there would never be a real enquiry into the corruption. I am guessing there will be a lot of panicking and covering tracks going on.
34 ElaineB (#)
Aug 12th, 2013 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aug 12th, 2013 - 10:30 am
You are absolutely right, CFK will probably do a sort of hitleresque finale, trying to destroy everything so that the next govrnment will be unable to function, and at the same time destroying all evidence of her personal corruption.
This will be a major problem for the new Congress, to find ways of stopping her destruction!!!!!!
35. A well organized surprise retirement party for her, her family and the top 1000 people in the current gov't is the best and only solution.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@19 Really? Can you recognise that “socialism” and “shit” start with the same letter. Here's a tip. Those that don't want to work, don't want to try, want “something for nothing” are socialists. Perfect for latam. What do we see? Little faggoty students. Little peasant faggots. All on benefits. The CFK “medicine”. Buy votes from the poor. Bribe with food. It's all on video.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Hello, dumdum. Quote: “This will be the final comment of this discussion.” Don't spend any more time on here. Get out on the streets and spread those butt cheeks. Still a dollar a time is it? Don't forget. How much you love gobbling and swallowing. As well as enjoying getting your ass double humped. Five inches would be a good stretch. Six already?
The Army will have to step in to save Argyland.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To Stevie - some friendly advice
Aug 12th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A) Start with a government that grows your economy at the expense of the workers.
B) Then get the Socialists in to redistribute the wealth and improve conditions.
C) Then get the first lot back in to salvage the economy after the Socialists have bankrupted the State with Public Sector excess.
But whatever you do, don't do B unless you started with A and are willing to follow it with C.
@39 Don't forget to add murder the opposition, file charges against the opposition when they provide proof that the dead vote, search opposition houses baed on *emails* while trying to court Snowden and fine the bejezus out of newspapers that report... news. And that's just the recent stuff. What a lie Stevie lives.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is weird to me is that pro-gov posters have dropped Xtina like a barf-covered rock since the ecpnomy changed. She was the same level of ethical before.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No long-term relationships there?
Some Argentine's will accept corruption as long as they get their share of Alpo.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But don't forget guys: Stevie IS NOT A COMMIE.
Aug 12th, 2013 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Allegedly.
Chris
Aug 12th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm no communist, sorry to disappoint you.
Communists are too softhearted, at least the Uruguayan ones.
They believed in dialogue in times of torture.
You don't know Uruguays history, do you?
I'm no commuist... :)
“Cristina Fernandez defeated in Argentina’s main electoral districts...President Cristina Fernandez Victory Front managed to remain as the leading political force nationwide”
Aug 12th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bad news headline followed by a better news story! As for Massa's “end to confrontation” it strikes me as a load of guff; the vultures will not stop their confrontational demands, nor will Cameron stop his confrontational stance on militarisation, nor will all the forces of the old order including the darkest forces of the dictatorship stop confronting and trying to reverse the positive new realities that the people's struggles and Cristina's progressive leadership have brought; therefore an “end to confrontation” sounds like a call to those progressive forces to capitulate. Which I'm confident they won't, whoever wins the elections. Anyway it looks like Massa and Macri could cancel each other out in 2015 and keep the right opposition divided, as it always has been. This should be helpful to Cristina or Timmerman =)
#45
Aug 12th, 2013 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0” This should be helpful to Cristina or Timmerman =)”
One can only hope so. Cross fingers und Daumen halten. Good luck!
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you think that after the result of last sunday, it indicates the beggining of the end of kirchnerim, you have a big problem, because it means that you are committing the same stupid mistake than in 2009. Don't, forget what happened in 2011. Although it's expectable that some political analists, and many detractors of it, start arguing about the so called end of cicle, making too mischievous lectures, it's important to indicate some very important detaills.
Firstly, all political analists know that people often change their votes in parlamentary elections, politicians usually get less votes in these kind of elections, especially in a country like argentina, which is not a parlamentary democracy like the u. k., in fact, it's a presidential democracy, that's why people doesn't give legislative elections the same relevancy than what they give to presidential elections, where there are always much more polarization. Only an ignorant can think that she could get a similar result than in 2011.
On the other hand, while it is true that c. f. k's politic party didn't win in the province of buenos aires, which represents the 38% of voters, it's also true that her party was the most voted in the whole country, in fact, it got the 27,31% of votes, followed by massa's party which got the 13,54%, the results of all other politic parties were insignifficant. This a detaill that we can't ignore, especially if we take into account that c. f. k's party has ruled the nation since 2003, not many politic parties around the world can enjoy the privilege of being the most voted party after having been in office for 10 years.
Another very important aspect, which was omitted in this report, is that if her party repeats in october the same election than last sunday, her party won't lose deputies, it just might lose a few senators, it means that she will continue rulling the country without signifficant parlamentary obstacles, which is the what really matters.
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Aug 13th, 2013 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 045 British_Kirchnerist
Aug 13th, 2013 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 047 axel ar
Excellent analysis.
The British forum members in their desire to destroy and hate the Argentina, Cristina underestimate the ability and the people of Argentina and Latin American that accompanies it. She has given ample evidence of greatly strengthened into a temporary situation unfavorably and finally emerge victorious with clean and true arguments. The example is in the elections of 2009 and 2011.
They do not distinguish the different contexts and settings of a parliamentary election and a presidential election.
The British forum members have a vision of reality too obtuse Argentina. Insulting think Cristina Kirchner will eliminate fair Argentine and Latin American rights on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
In contrast, global public opinion increasingly harder, not accept being deceived by racism, colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century English. Now in the conflict of Gibraltar. Spain proposes dialogue peacefully. Against this proposed UK barbarism, violence and terror.
The self-determination argument plummeted to become clear that it was a political move to pressure Cristina in the UN decolonization committee together.
The world and the world public opinion understands and supports increasingly Argentina claims sovereignty. Now add Spain which, despite the differences, recognized Argentine UN effort and adds to the strategy of Cristina in the Security Council and seeking support in their claim for Gibraltar.
Reacquires much relevance and credibility, the decolonization committee united nations. The facts prove it as an area of complaints and resolving conflicts of sovereignty caused by any type of colonialism, especially English colonialism and imperialism of the 21st century.
Mail: face1354@hotmail.com
#49
Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May you one day awake from your Argentine pesadilla.
Sorry Raul, can't make head nor tail of your lengthy if a trifle long winded rant.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Aug 13th, 2013 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As for Massa's “end to confrontation” it strikes me as a load of guff; the vultures will not stop their confrontational demands, nor will Cameron stop his confrontational stance on militarisation...”
I assumed that Massa meant an end to the confrontation by the Argentine government against any challenge, no matter how legitimate or justified. Instead of their counter-productive confrontational stance on the Falklands, bond owners, Repsol, farmers, unions, the middle class, cruise liners, opposition parties, the IMF, Uruguay, Brazil etc. it would make sense to calm down a bit and engage in considered, civilised, honest discussions with these people. That would start the process of rebuilding trust, trade and the Argentine economy. Judging by the poll results, this is what the majority of Argentines want.
I don't think Cameron has a confrontational stance on militarism, more of a defensive stance against Argentina's potential militarism (bought those Mirages yet?).
The “vultures” want a return on the investment they made in Argentina. I think asking Argentina to honour its agreements is hardly confrontational.
@52
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The vultures never paid full Price for those bonds, they bought them at heavy discounts and now they pretend to charge them in full, with interests.
Sorry, but that's a no-go.
Not because I agree with anyone in particular, but because today it's Argentina, tomorrow it could be anyone.
For those vultures have no scruples.
So because they purchased a written contract for a discount justifies not paying the contract>
Aug 13th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if they paid full price, they would be just as screwed out of money. Argentina does not have any business integrity to make good and agreements.
IT AS SIMPLE AS THAT
Argentina had little choice when signing that deal you call Brady bonds.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They tried to gain profit from the Sovereign debt.
Risky played.
And as you know, when you want it all, you end up with nothing...
There's a MIDDLE GROUND between Arg trying to shaft pensioners by offering them thirty cents on the dollar INSTEAD of the interest they were promised, and 100% plus full interest in a judgement.
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Arg totally had many opportunity to offer a fair middle, but they tried to use a gov to bully individuals.
And then BRAGGED ABOUT HOW RICH THEY WERE.
And celebrated w an expensive designer-wearing, non-degree having spokesmodel.
That's why making fun of Arg politics is so guilt-free!!! You are always welcome to have a laugh at ours too. Laughing's good.
In “evolved” places worldwide, the Singer issue has already been solved. Governments accept less gain in return for less risky agreements.
Ayayay
Aug 13th, 2013 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The same logic and arguments can be used towards the ones that come up with the bond plans. If they weren't so greedy and wanted as much as possible out of the “developing nations”, maybe they could finally actually “develop”, and these type of issues would be solved too...
No choice? COme on, don't be naive. And you still evaded my question
Aug 13th, 2013 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah we have the return of the good old Guzz “Brady Plan” play!
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.laeditorialvirtual.com.ar/pages/giuliano_fracasoplanbrady.htm
Aug 13th, 2013 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean Héctor “Guzz” Giuliano?
http://www.laeditorialvirtual.com.ar/pages/giuliano_fracasoplanbrady.htm
Or is it Aurelio “Guzz” Cebrián Abellán
Books have been written on the matter, you just have to read...
@12Stevie
Aug 14th, 2013 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Pete
I was talking about the elections in Argentina.
I have little interest in a bunch of Brits occupying some islands in the Atlantic..”.
Yes, but CFK does have this interest, because it is a marvellous diversion from the clusterfuck she has created in Argentina.
Whilst I am genuinely sorry for decent Argentines who deserve a better country, because of their misguided hate towards the Falkland Islands who could help with Argentina's economy in Patagonia(in a similar way that Gibraltar is assisting Spain's economy in the South of Spain) and the fact I lived with the Islanders, I have to take their side, and would therefore be delighted to agree with you for different reasons that CFK is the best hope. In my view for the Islanders development, security and future independence.
61
Aug 14th, 2013 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0With that argument you lot should have a BOT in every country of the world.
Nobody wants you outside England (yes I say England) other than as tourists, imagine that...
@54 I don't think it's that simple. The funds knew that there was a chance Argentina wouldn't pay and they took that chance, now they are waiting to see whether that was a chance worth paying. The heavier the discount the higher the liability for the buyer. In the end, their gamble. Yes, Argentina should generally pay its debt, sort out its stats, get rid of protectionism but when it comes to the vulture funds, but I and the majority of people I work with on sovereign debt restructuring deals, think that the funds should accept a compromise. After all, this impacts people on the street the most and where the quality of human life is involved I’m generally happy to stick on the side of people being able to live with a modicum of decency/food on the table/security rather than making a rich fund manager even richer. And before anyone calls me a commie, I work in the City of London for one of the largest banks in the world in a front office role. So yes, I’m a capitalist.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0One must wonder about Stevie. He seems to defend and support everything that happens in SA. Does he not belong to a country? Does he defend them only because they are hispanic? One starts seeing a certain racism in these communist trolls.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would think much more of Stevie if he moved his family to Uruguay (I bet the wife wouldn’t stand for that) and start paying income taxes into the bloated government.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, he would not be able to afford a nice home such as the one he has in Sweden and his children would not be able to go to a really good school if the only job he could get was a road sweeper.
But he could then truthfully claim to be supporting the social inclusion regime that he clearly loves.
Bet his marriage wouldn’t last two years of that.
He lives in Sweden? What a fucking hypocrite.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 Captain Poppy
Aug 14th, 2013 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, he works as an engineer on ships but he trained in Sweden and lives there still with his family.
His parents were “terrorists” in Uruguay under the Military and were chucked out of the country. Sweden was one of the countries that took these people. His mom and dad are back in Uruguay now, but not Stevie. You may know him as Guzz.
The sad thing is that he is an intelligent guy, he must be to hold that sort of job down but his upbringing has soured him against many things and this shows through on here.
I have to admit to liking him but he does frustrate me at times with this “commie” attitude which he genuinely does not see as being communistic to anybody from the west.
Oh yeah so he is Guzz. He has his MMC? They called them snips in the Navy.......a wiper's endorsedment in the Merchant Marine, unless he is actually a Mate . US Maritime there is a 3rd, 2nd and 1st Mate then a Master (Captain). and I find that tough to swallow, he is a mate. He is around too much.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn Chris, you aimed for so much you actually hit something...
Aug 14th, 2013 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha
@ 69 Stevie
Aug 14th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks!
I did put it as truthfully as I could without disparaging anyone (I hope).
Well, one major flaw, in general, would be to call the Tupas “terrorists”, as they wete nothing of the sort. Only in USA (the only country to classify them as such). Not in the UK, not in Australia, not in Holland, not in Canada.
Aug 14th, 2013 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another would be that “commie” word of yours. It seems to cover a wide range of ideologies, where not all have anything to do with communism. You know, a little loose definition from your side.
As for the rest, if you are ok with those assumptions, well, I'm ok too...
So Stevie, do you work on floating hotels or merchant vessels?
Aug 14th, 2013 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poppy
Aug 15th, 2013 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you seen a PSV before?
Do you always answer a question with a question?
Aug 15th, 2013 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunno...
Aug 15th, 2013 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always is such a definite word...
Do I?
:-)
Aug 16th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 075 Stevie
Aug 16th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know Stevie, do you?
:o)
#75 do you what?
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