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Margaret Thatcher documents: King Juan Carlos in no rush to recover Gibraltar because of Morocco threat

Monday, August 19th 2013 - 12:52 UTC
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Spain’s King Juan Carlos told Margaret Thatcher’s most senior official at least twice that “it was not in fact in the interests of Spain to recover Gibraltar soon, even if it were possible.” Instead he agreed with the United Kingdom that it was for Spain to make herself attractive to the Gibraltarian people. Read full article


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  • Anbar

    lmao @ Rajoy

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conor J

    Whoops, poor old Spain.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “Instead he agreed with the United Kingdom that it was for Spain to make herself attractive to the Gibraltarian people”

    You are doing so well at that right now Spain!!!!!

    GREAT job Spain!!!

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Lol! Spain has cause to be afraid of the Moors, it took them centuries to get rid of them....

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    Good on Morocco eh?

    And people wonder why Baroness Thatcher was EXACTLY the right person at the right time for Britain over the Falklands and Gibraltar.

    Pity the useless Camoron hasn’t got one of her balls, that would at least give him one to strengthen his backbone, useless twat that he is.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    I think Spain is making herself about as attractive to the Gibraltarians as KFC with no make-up, directly before Botox treatment, with a serious case of oral herpes.
    Quite unattractive!

    I wonder if the Moroccan Ambassador has been invited to the foreign office recently for a very nice productive chat. Maybe the British government is just patiently waiting to see if Spain makes the fatal error teaming up with Argentina in the next few weeks.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @6 Britworker

    Exactly. This is proof that Spain doesn't really want Gibraltar. They've had decades to mend the bridges, to set up cross border join initiatives, to prove that they were a different Spain from Franco.

    Yet they (the government) has done nothing to make the people of Gibraltar welcome, let alone show them any benefit from becoming Spanish. In fact, in their current financial crises, they are showing them more benefits from NOT becoming Spanish.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    It is totally irrelevant what Spain wants.

    The fact is, the people of Gibraltar just like the people of the Falkland Islands DO have the right to self-determination. There is in fact no principle in International Law OR UN doctrine that can displace the inalienable right to self-determination. In this regard, the UN Fourth Committee rejected the claim that a dispute over sovereignty affected self-determination, affirming it to be a basic human right.

    This is why Ban Ki-Moon told a forum on decolonization in 2010, quote, 'The World's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status.'

    All of those old UN Resolutions from the 1960s and those manic statements from the UN C24 are IRRELEVANT.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think


    Article says......:
    Spain’s King Juan Carlos told Margaret Thatcher’s most senior official at least twice that “it was not in fact in the interests of Spain to recover Gibraltar soon.”

    I say....:
    And, keen Polo enthusiast, HRH Prince Philip of Greece & Denmark told HM Queen Elizabeth II Alexandra Mary at least once during April 1982 that they should give the Malvinas Isles back to Argentina in exchange for a couple of our best number 3’s………

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • reality check

    You mean this prince Philip

    On 1 May 1939, Prince Philip began his naval career at Britannia Royal Naval College in Dartmouth as a Special Entry Cadet. In his training year, Philip won the prestigious King's Dirk and the prize for best cadet of his entry. The start of the Second World War meant that Prince Philip was soon on active duty.
    In 1940 he served on HMS Ramilles in Colombo, Ceylon, as a Midshipman, patrolling the Indian Ocean and escorting troops from Australia to the Middle East. In 1941 he was transferred to HMS Valiant, a battleship stationed in Alexandria, Egypt. Philip acted as the searchlight control on the ship, helping to sink two Italian cruisers. Later service in the war saw Philip promoted to the rank of Lieutenant and serving during the invasion of Sicily. Philip was also present onboard HMS Whelp at the surrender of Japanese forces in Tokyo Bay.

    Think he would have told you to take your no 3's and shove em you know where!

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Think say:

    Not much really!

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geoff nolan

    #10 reality check
    This post of yours is the kind I admire and believe to be most effective in any discussion. You avoid ad hominem attacks and broadsides, preferring to state facts to bolster your point of view. Undoubtedly we could disagree about many things but in this case you set an example for us all.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    5 ChrisR

    On that very subject...... This from the BBC news website:-

    Prime Minister David Cameron has told the BBC he is suffering from a “phenomenally bad back”.

    The lack of vertebrae is letting our PM down, me thinks.................

    10 reality check

    Come to think of it, our Royal family have not been backward in coming forward to serve their country on the front line....... The likes of Cameron, Clegg and Mandelson should all take note.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Orbit

    Looking forward to seeing the Argentine documents of the current period revealed in 30 years time (not that there is any such freedom of information policy in place):

    “what is our policy on the economy?”
    “er, um, stop using big words like economy”.
    “should we mention the malvinas?”
    “yes, but let the one trick pony do the actual speaking”
    “she's busy helping timerman put his clown shoes on”
    “is he going to have balloons?”
    “don't mention inflation you idiot!”
    “how are the elections coming along?”
    “run for the hills, with the loot!”

    seriously, can you imagine any sort of transparency coming out of the Kirchner dictatorships? Does anybody write anything down?

    Anyway, on topic, excellent article MP... someone had to say it.

    Aug 19th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    And also Spain seem to have forgotten Catalonia's request for a referendum in their rush to support one Spanish fishermen involved in illegal drag netting.

    Aug 20th, 2013 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    13 toooldtodieyoung

    Off topic but current with Greenwald.

    Has Mandelson still got his Brazilian boyfriend? Perhaps he has put him back in the closet.

    Aug 20th, 2013 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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