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Falklands’ lawmaker begins round of contacts in Brazil’s main cities

Friday, August 23rd 2013 - 23:18 UTC
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Falkland Islands lawmaker Dick Sawle is expected next week in Brazil where he will be meeting representatives from the business community, students’ organizations and share lunch with a group of members of Congress, announced British ambassador in Brasilia Alex Ellis. Read full article

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  • ljordao

    This is excellent news, as this visit will help both the Falklanders' cause and the opposition to the present Brazilian government.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Englishman from Sheffield tour
    “However no meeting is anticipated with members from the Brazilian government, which supports the Argentine sovereignty claim over the disputed Malvinas”
    What a Dick...Sawle.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Marcos

    Please enlighten us with your wisdom on what exactly has the Falkland's lost by Brazil supporting Argentina?

    The Falkland Islands are still richer, more prosperous and more stable than Brazil and Argentina combined.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • british bomber

    We should send an aircraft carrier down to Brazil to show them who's the boss. Maybe we need to implement regime change on Brazil.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Good effort Richard.
    Most Brasilians have no idea that the Falkland Islands exist.
    The ones who do, and whom I've discussed this with, have only ever been exposed to the argentinian lies/myth period.

    I do, and I will, continue to take great pleasure in enlightening Brasilians to the truth. They all respond in the same manner when they see the reality/history of the Islands. (RG's do not have a good reputation with Brasilians anyway)

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alan

    @2
    “Power rests in the hands of the People”

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Marcos Alejandro - if Gollum was to go to Brazil, would it be a Russian Jewish tour?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirate Love

    This will surely piss the Reich off.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    On a note of conciliation the British Embassy in Buenos Aires last week awarded nine Chevening Scholarships that will enable young Argentine professionals to enter a one-year Master’s degree programme at a university of their choice in the UK.

    The Scholarships covers the post-graduate course at the chosen university and also the return air fares, accommodation, health insurance and a small maintenance grant.

    Chevening scholarships are awarded every year to young leaders in more than 116 countries who have the potential to become future key players in a wide range of areas including politics, economics, civil society and the media. The Chevening Programme gives them the chance to enjoy a world-class international experience in the UK, as well as access to a global network of young leaders.

    The Chevening Programme has been offered in Argentina since 1990 and has already supported 400 scholars from Argentina study at world class Universities in the UK.

    Previous scholars have studied at Oxford, Cambridge, the LSE and other top Universities such as Edinburgh, Warwick, Bristol and so forth.

    Richard Barlow, Chargé d’Affaires at the British Embassy, welcomed the new scholars at the British Ambassador’s Residence on 15 August to wish them a safe trip and give them the opportunity to ask questions and share views and tips with other young Argentine leaders who were awarded Chevening scholarships in previous years.

    It's a pity that the Argentine Embassy here in London fails to take a wider perspective of its role and remains stuck in a Malvinas obsessed rut.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    'chicken or Pasta?'

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2 Brazil = Nuts. And didn't tinboy's daddy come from the Ukraine? And look, we don't have to go far back to find CFK's Spanish and German parents, do we? But remember, you chose the ground. And now we can show that YOUR “leaders” are no different. Do you find it fun to be shown to be a prat?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    The way to go.

    Even if he isn't speaking to the Brazilian government, there'll be a few more people aware of the Malvinas Lie that weren't.

    Contrast this with the failed megaphone diplomacy of Argentina who still haven't realised that if it didn't work for their mate Hitler, it won't work for them.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Devolverislas

    @2 Marcos Alejandro

    Hear! Hear!

    ”Falkland MLAs... have been quite successful in achieving their goals (to give their version of the islands sovereignty dispute with Argentina)” is a polite way of saying that their diplomacy campaign in Latin America has bombed.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    Hello, Hello, Troll alert...another slimeball pokes its head out of the swamp.As usual nothing constructive to say.

    Dicks excellent command of languages and the indispensible current British technical assistance organising the world cup and Olympics should warm Brazilian hearts. Must be quite worrying for them with the demos opposing the expenditure on these events. I wonder if there are any contingency plans in place to hold the events elsewhere in the event of trouble.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    And yet when all is said and done Develoverislas nothing changes, Argentina continues to complain to appease and distract its own population and the people of the Falkland's grow stronger with a prosperous growing economy.

    And Argentina? Joke economy, Joke military, failed society and the comedy club that is Argentina's attempt at diplomacy.

    I know which country I'd choose to live in.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Devolverislas

    Argentina's diplomacy campaign in the world has been to gain the Falklands.

    How well is that campaign going?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @9
    Has it done any good for the Argentinian diplomacy in 23 years?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • rupertbrooks0

    17 golfcronie (#)

    Who can say. The are probably, amongst the 400 Argentine Chevening scholars many who will have a positive regard for Britain. How much effect this may have on their professional and public life I'm not equiped to answer. The Chevening program nevertheless is a noble and worthy one which has certainly benefitted the participants. Please refer to the website for testimonials from previous Chevening Scholars, including some from Argentina.

    14 Faz (#)
    Aparrently The Football Association has privately assured FIFA that England would easily be able to hold the World Cup, even at short notice. There are masses of modern football stadiums, and a modern transport infrastructure in place. There would be no need to build anything new as everything required to host a sucessful world cup already exists.

    Of course I hope this won't happen and wish Brazil every sucess as World Cup hosts. What better place to hold the world cup than Brazil. But we shall see.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    When you deal with petty useless jackasses at the top who live on their own appearances but really on the success of others, you deal with reasonable people in the middle who live and die by action. Then the useless parasites at the top, whose success relies in the competent people “below” them, must listen to reason -- or at least recognize the results of reason. They can put on all the airs they want, pose to their heats content, and when things work, they'll take all the credit for it -- “having supported the deal all along,” but you are now dealing with their organization/country and directly with the competent people who make things work. THAT is how you get things done. THAT is what Cheeky Dicky is doing. THAT is how you do success. And failures like Devolverislas & Marcos can suck it like the losers they have chosen to be, time after time after time.

    Smart. Diplomacy. I strongly recommend it.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/23/falklands-lawmaker-begins-round-of-contacts-in-brazil-s-main-cities#comment270940: So which political party is going to constrain Brazil's legitimate Atlantic interests by supporting the presence of a UK military base in the region? And what will Brazil's position after the Malvinas are returned to Argentina?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Xect

    I think that is a question that is pointless answering Hepatia because clearly Argentina isn't EVER going to get its little grubby hands on the Falkland Island's.

    Nothing will change, you'll complain some more, we will ignore you and the people of the Falkland's Island's will go about their business.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Millet

    Argentina its time to wake up, and finally become a real country. - Millet USA

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    20 Hepatia (#)
    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:16 am

    The present ruling political party seems quite content to have a much larger and more powerful military base closer than the Falkland Islands: Ascension!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alan

    @20
    The same one that says nothing to French Guyana

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @20 The same ones that sent you zero troops to help you hold the Falklands when you tried to impose the Junta that you gladly cheered on in 1982 and continue to pine for on your 2-peso coin.

    But it IS true though, everyone IS beyond you -- so they can't see them laugh at you while people in Latin America who working in their broader interests talk to Sawle and company.

    If what I say isn't true then why is he even ~allowed~ in Brazil? And if he's there why not prove their undying support -- emphasis on the “NOT dying” part -- for your bogus claim by arresting him for violating Argentine law (which if they were behind you would recognize). At minimum you can get him on tax evasion, not watching Dr. Who in dubbed spanish, or owning a few dollars from his last trip to the US without your permission.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faz

    #20 Perhaps Brazil is very pleased to see a South Atlantic base of a country that is renouned for being a beacon of freedom and democracy. After all, it is there reassuringly keeping an eye on one of the worlds leading pariah states that is steadily edging towards totalitarian Nazi style rule lead by a maniacal virtual dictator with an offspring who is leading a Nazi style bully boy organisation to ensure the regimes survival.
    The garison can easily be beefed up at 24 hours notice to ensure peace and security in the far south. Meanwhile stealthy submariners patrol the coastline ensuring that any attacks by tall ships are forestalled.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @13 No. It's a polite way of saying that argie lies have been proved to be shit!
    @20 Brazil's “legitimate Atlantic interests” will be constrained by what the UK says it can have. Or it can watch its shit be destroyed. And Brazil won't have any “position”. Or is it on knees, face on floor, bum in air, getting shafted? Dear, dear, dear, Hepatitis, what a dumb prick you are. Who gives a shit what Brazil's “position” will be? The Brazilian “air force” has 758 aircraft. The Royal Air Force has 827. The Brazilian Navy has 110 vessels and 81 aircraft. The Royal Navy has 158 vessels and 170 aircraft. Besides, latams are cowards. Sphincter-gaspers. Fairly recently the Royal Marines and Royal Navy had to teach Brazilians how to get off a boat.
    @22 Please. There's no chance of argieland becoming a real “country” in the next thousand years.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Brazil is no war for nothing. If someday Brazil to enter in a war against one country more powerfull, you can be sure.....The world is over! Comedian.

    It would be good to do business with “Kelpers” too, but, before they need come to terms with Argentina. Before that is impossible.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #28
    “The world is over.” Does that mean you will refuse to sell us mangoes and papayas ? We are certainly all doomed !

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    No. No. It means that you do not command anything.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @30
    Grow up, you do know that the UK has ballistic missiles that have a range of roughly 5000 miles. I would for your sake it does not come to that.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Intimidation is own you. Democracy Baroque. So your world is decaying.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @32
    Your comment makes no sense in english

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Thanks. Democracy Baroque? Democracy based in belic power.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @34 Still makes no sense

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Go to the books!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20130823/54378747987/guardia-civil-inspecciona-bloques-hormigon-enfada-gibraltar.html
    Nice video under water....
    And no more sand no more stones to gibraltar

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @ 37 Malen

    Thanks for this vídeo.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @37 Malan

    Says a lot for Spain were they have employ sneaky police frog divers to skulk around under water waving a flag - what's that all about? Talk about playing up to national stereotypes: what a banana police force.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    So Dick Sawle is going to Brazil to chat to a bunch of students, a few business owners take in a show and be ignored by anyone of importance and the Government.....have I got that right?
    I've seen people like this in busy shopping centres' stood on a soap box......you listen for a few minutes......think....this has nothing to do with me, then walk off and forget it!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @40
    That's why you are so ignorant. Be a good listener you could learn something, typical Argie, you have not learnt anything in years.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @40 a_voice

    So, all a bit like KFC, Timerman and Filmus then?

    No one takes these bananas seriously. Go and read what your own compatriots say about them - nothing but set of embarrassing jokes.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @ Brasileiro;
    Think very carefully, don't think for a minute these malvneiros are Brasil's friends.
    You are a Brasilian, you know what the argentines are.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    I just want to learn your language. And I saw my America in conflict!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    So.........nobody said I was wrong....thought I summed it up perfectly!
    Just stating what I read!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    Why isn't this fugitive from Argentine Justice not persona non grata in Brazil? Why haven't they arrested him and deported him to the UK or extradited him to Argentina (tax evasion, owning dollars, whatever)? Why aren't these businessmen (the people who do stuff and get stuff done as opposed to government who just take the credit) not forbidden by law to work with someone who is “illegally” occupying the Falklands? I mean come on. What could send a better message of Latin American solidarity with the “rightful” rulers of “Las Malvinas” for something anything, come on folks, we all commit six felonies before breakfast and all that jazz, you have to be able to come up with SOMETHING, right?

    Oh yes, Sawle walks in Brazil free because Brazil doesn't REALLY think that he's a criminal occupier of territory that is rightfully Argentina, and that Brazil's governments thinks that ties with the Islands would be of some benefit to Brazil. And they really aren't all that into Argentina's claim as Argentina thinks they are. No body really is. Not even Argentina.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @44 Brasileiro

    You take care now. You need to watch out for A_Voice and his friends, they may seem charming and complementary, but they are really just trying to groom you: if your not careful, you and your buddies might wake up in a fox-hole some morning on a cold distant island; dirty, shivering and frighten with lots of explosions and bang going off. Stay safe now.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Brasileiro:
    Este lugar ta cheio de bocao gritando.

    Nao e um lugar legal para aprender qualquer lingua...

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    46
    Probably because he has one of these.....

    Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @48 Escocês Doido

    Espírito Santo ou Google?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Sautaque de Capixaba rapaz......

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Thanks! You have a future! hahahaha

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    Sautaque de Capixaba rapaz......

    Mais para escrever, - sou burro......

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • inthegutter

    #49 Nice try, but you're understanding of legal matters is clearly lacking.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    @ 53 Escocês Doido
    Thank you anyway. Luck and prosperity.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    54
    Not at all.......I am quite aware of his diplomatic status.....but he can still pass go with one of those......he's in the club!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @49
    What a wonderful country the UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND AND THE FALKLANDS is to have that in the passport and the whole world recognises the significance of it.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @55;
    Likewise pal.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @57, yeah I have similar verbiage on my passport.

    Likewise, so do a lot of people who tape heroin, hash, or other recreational chemicals to their bodies while crossing borders.

    Works like a charm when they're caught.

    I mean we keep hearing about these pirates and criminal occupiers and serial violators of every single human right of every tiny adorable baby argentine from the moment they flee screaming from their sainted mothers' wombs into a world in which they are denied rule over Las freakin Malvininas by these monsters who have humiliated them for over a century and REALLY humiliated them in 1982. I mean he might as well be throwing them from the back of airplanes. Ring up INTERPOL and reel him in. Do it for the CHILDREN! If your claim is so true, then no one will complain, even if it is one of them there fancy diplomatic passports. People thought it was awesome when Pinochet got busted (I certainly did) and if it's as temporary as Pinochet's, it will prove that someone is behind Argentina and NOT laughing behind her back.

    Come on. Drop a dime on him.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    AVoice- Actually he will be meeting with Braz Govt officials unofficialy in one or two places,also with Brazilian Businees interetsed in operations here - ie Offshor Oil etc, and those already working with the Falklands in Fisheries etc. Likewise will be meeting several Brazilian elected members not just Govt party.

    Brasiliero- there already are some commercial links between the Islands and Brazil.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A_Voice

    60
    Let me re-read that article......nope it doesn't say any of that.......
    Perhaps next time ...you should write the article.......being... 'in the know'
    Or are these shhh...'finger tapping the side of nose'.....secret meetings?....Don't tell the RG's.....

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Millet

    Brasileiro, you need a lot more practice in English, if you want to make sense. - Millet USA

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • José Malvinero

    Poor stupid pirates.
    The english “fisherman” of Argentine Sea, later to plunder our seas, plundering oil wants, desperately needs the support of the ........................continent ! either Argentina or Brazil.
    Remember: Brazil, the second country to condemn the usurpation of the Malvinas Argentinas almost simultaneously to Bolivia. When: in 1833.
    “Last March the Falklands held a referendum, with international observers, in which 98% of voters, with a record 92% turnout, decided to remain a British Overseas Territory.”:
    Go to the shit!

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    It seems the stupid pirate fishermen of the Argentine Sea being in Brazil upsets some Argentinenans.

    What is Argentina going to do about it?

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @64... ask that they be arrested? Yeah, that'll happen.

    Aug 24th, 2013 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    The Falklands can develop the greatest of relations with the entire hemisphere for all I care, good for them. Argentina will not yield sovereignty by negotiating with the Falklanders, just like they would never put their sovereignty up for discussion just to talk to Argentina.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @66
    Looks like SELF DETERMINATION has won then
    Toodle Pip me old shiner
    That's the problem with Argentina they don't listen.Your country is a bit like my very young daughter, “Can I have a dolly”? “ No, you have one” ( called PATAGONIA ) “but I want another ”( FALKLAND ISLANDS )“ Talk to me nicely and we shall see”. Poor dear then bursts into tears hoping I will give in.
    .

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC....

    Article says....:
    “MLA Sawle .......... has good command of Portuguese.”

    I say...:
    If so; here's a crystal-clear Brazilian message to you, MLA Sawle...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA73POY0qok

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @28
    “It would be good to do business with “Kelpers” too, but, before they need come to terms with Argentina. Before that is impossible.”

    But Argentina refuse to talk to the islanders-the Islanders have offered to talk to Argentina on trade.

    Argentina does not have a strong case to sovereignty, otherwise they would have gone to the ICJ

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljordao

    @20:

    Some members of the present Brazilian government think that Brazil is entitled to all or most of the South Atlantic. They are nothing but a 21st century bastardised version of 19th century imperialist politicians. Well-informed and liberty-loving Brazilians do not mind the presence of the British military on or around the Falkland Islands, as they know it has a strictly defensive purpose.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @49
    Every person that carries a British Passport has that on the inner leaf of the Passport. So you accept that MLA Sawle is a diplomat, since when has Argentina accepted that the FALKLANDS have a GOVERNMENT, I thought they said it was illegal. TRY AND KEEP UP. Toodle Pip ol Muckka

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @49;
    While we're on the subject of passports, I've always found the 'wishful thinking' on the back of an argentinian passport amusing......

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/21896216@N07/7403387482/in/photostream/

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Argentina is powerless while the Government of the Falkland Islands traipses all over South America.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    if this one breaks too, just paste it in your browser.

    www.flickr.com/photos/21896216@N07/7403387482

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @70

    You are out of your mind. So you are saying Brazilians are against Brazilian AND Argentine colonialism (missions in the South Atlantic waters), but are all for the innocent British to have missions in the south Atlantic.

    You are as Brazilian as vodka inside five Mamusckas.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljordao

    @75:

    What I have said is very clear, and so your distortion of it is entirely your fault. WELL-INFORMED AND LIBERTY-LOVING Brazilians (i.e., a significant but far from exhaustive slice of the Brazilian population) do not mind the presence of the British military ON OR AROUND THE FALKLAND ISLANDS. And, yes, I am Brazilian. (I was born and raised in Rio de Janeiro.) You have inadvertently got a few things right, though. The colonialism present in the dispute comes either from Brazil or from Argentina, and the British are doing the morally right thing by facing it down.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @76
    Well done ljordao, all the FALKLANDERS want to do is to live a normal life and get on with their neighbours, don't see anything wrong with it. I have said many times on here, what good things would Argentina bring to the islands?

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livingthedream

    The People of the FI do not want to be part of South America Geographically! They like to think they are in some make believe place in the “South Atlantic”
    Now why do they want the approval from the continent they don't want to be part of??

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljordao

    @78:

    They want to engage in mutually beneficial economic exchange with South American individuals and businesses, but they do not want to be ruled by a South American government. Why on earth does that bother you?

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Are you serious? Who told you that they do not want to be a part of South America? They are a country in the South Atlantic or as the Argies think ( The Argentinian Sea, just a little joke ) Tell me what approval are you talking about?
    They do not need approval from anyone, even the UK, they have their own Government. And good luck to them talking to all the failed states in Latam.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @78 Livingthedream

    I've just checked my Atlas and the South Atlantic does actually exist...unlike this place the Argentine government is always crying on about...the Malvinas (maybe they mean the Maldives?).

    So your post really doesn't make any sense.

    As for the approval of the continent, you misunderstand. All they are doing is countering the lies told by the Argentine government.

    It's surprising how many people in South America are realising that Argentina is a big liar. Actually, it's not surprising, most of these people already knew that Argentina was a liar.

    You see, everyone knows that the Falkland Islands are a smoke screen, a distraction for the successively crap governments that Argentina appears to be plagued with.

    If Argentina ACTUALLY had a case, they'd've been at the International Court of Justice faster than they could say 'Malvina's'. The fact that they haven't gone to the International Court of Justice is quite telling. It means that they know that they haven't got a snowflakes chance in hell of winning, and to get a ruling against them means that they would have to STFU about the Falklands.

    Now the rest of South America (especially their neighbours) are quite happy with the status quo. The reason for this, is that Argentina has also made territorial demands on them too.

    So if, by some miracle, Argentina gained sovereignty of the Falklands, they would have to look for a new scapegoat to distract the people whilst they stuff their bank accounts.

    Their territorial demands includes ALL of Uruguay (which according to them is a province), and large parts of Paraguay, Brazil and Chile.

    It's much easier for the governments of these neighbouring countries to pay lip-service to Argentina (knowing that they can never gain sovereignty of the Islands), rather risk Argentina trying something with them.

    The Falklands are safe - the sea and HM Forces protects them. The other countries have to share a land border with them.

    The truth is now out there.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    http://en.mercopress.com/2013/08/23/falklands-lawmaker-begins-round-of-contacts-in-brazil-s-main-cities#comment271203: So are there political candidates that these liberty loving British base supporting Brazilians can vote for? Or are the liberties that this opposition desire more military in character?

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    jose malvinero - so yes Brasil gives you verbal backing I agree - does not stop major commercial investments in southern ports with the Koreans and Taiwanese in support of their fishing activites in Falklands waters does it?
    Nor doe sit stop Brazil Govt awarding a Hydrocarbon Exploration lcence area to Premiere who are a major investor operato in Falklands waters does it?
    Would you care to re-right the tripe you wrote?

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    www.ellitoral.com.ar/es/articulo/270944/26-de-agosto-Dia-del-Veterano-y-Caidos-Indigenas-en-Malvinas
    Well, 26 of agost its the commeration day of indegenous veterans of Malvinas.
    Yes, the indegenous of Arg represented a porcentage of 20 % of the arg veterans that went to Malvinas.
    And, someone here in this article says:
    www.24siete.info/nota-206222-politica-las-malvinas-antes-de-ser-argentinas-fueron-indigenas.html
    ”Malvinas before been argentine, they were indegenous.(like Arg itself).”

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  • Anglotino

    Oh God now they are claiming that the Falkland Islands had an indigenous population!

    Why can't Argentina make up lies that can't be easily disproven?

    And if only Malen knew how bad it makes Argentina look that 20% of the soldiers that invaded in 1982 were indigenous. Obviously white Argentineans could afford to bribe their way out of conscription.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    come on anglozorrino
    get used to 100 % argentines went to Malvinas....of all colors, like we are of all colors, tehuelches, qom, guaranies, etc all argentines went to Malvinas in 1982

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @84
    You couldn't make it up, Oh dear they just did

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GFace

    @86 Get use to this. 100% Germans went to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Denmark, France, Holland in the 30s and 40s.... And they were sent packing, just like in 1982. You fascists never change.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    @86

    20% percent is better than 99% of babies killed in Australia's Lost generation being Aboriginal babies.

    Aug 25th, 2013 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @89 Nostrils

    Still waiting several months now for you to provide links to claims like these! Do you really want me to go back and quote my reply to the last time you tried this on?

    Or did we perhaps throw these babies out of aircraft over the South Atlantic?

    Australia's indigenous population is a much larger percentage of the population than in Argentina. And we still haven't managed to find any Stolen Generation children. But you wouldn't know that from your quick and simplistic perusal of articles on the internet. Do you Wikipedia much?

    As for the 20% indigenous conscripts that Malen quoted, I see that you too don't get how bad that makes Argentina look either. That makes you as a university student pretty damn pathetic.

    But then you never were able to critically think or argue anyway.

    @87 Golfcronie

    Yes I can't believe this is now a claim by the Malvinistas. Poor Malen doesn't even know what nationalities and races were living on the Falkland Islands the first time Argentina invaded in 1833.

    Who wants to make her look even more foolish?

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  • malen

    “ the first time Argentina invaded in 1833.”
    Britain invade in 1833.......

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Malen

    You a right!

    Argentina invaded in 1832.

    Britain removed them in 1833.

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @92 strange Anglo ... So.. to who invaded the Lexington in 1831?

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Truth PaTroll

    As long as all anglos are banned from Argentina, happy travels in the rest of the world.

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @93;
    The USS Lexington went there to investigate the fact that a US ship had been seized by Luis Vernet, when he had no authority to do such a thing.

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  • HansNiesund

    @93

    I believe you'll find that the US no more recognised Argentine sovereignity in 1832 than it does now.

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Nostrils

    Sorry to disappoint. I'm actually looking at potentially studying in Argentina for six months.

    Not gunna keep this “anglo” from visiting or staying in your country.

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    studying spanish?? You can go to Spain, or Chile, or Colombia, or Peru.....

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @95, 96 I thought the population and Vernet had British permission.
    The British can not match their lies.

    Aug 26th, 2013 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wolverine

    Hello everyone! I am so pumped to be here, this is my first, but not my last comment on these blogs.

    Argentine by birth. Yup, Buenos Aires right during the dictatorship. I just want to say that I fully support the Falkland Islanders rights to live and associate in any manner they choose to. Furthermore, the Islands have never been, except for 70 odd days in 1982, under Argentine flag. The Argentine position has no basis historically or geographically. Further, all sovereignty claims were decided in 1982 when there was an gross violation of human rights and international norms with the armed invasion of a non-belligerent, peaceful people.

    It saddens me, as an Argentine, to read the comments of Malen, Malivense, and Jose Malivero. They are part of the disease, sickness that has rotten and corrupted Argentina for too long. I sincerely hope you never have to send your children to die to steal from others. Oh, and your a bunch of effn cocksuckers too. It is morons like you who have made Argentina the laughing stock of the world, squandered it riches and developed a national character that is known for its lying cheating and deception. Not all Argentines are like this, the disease is widespread but there is reason still; however, many many have left over the last twenty years because of the lack of opportunities, crime, corruption.

    I've got more to say, but hasta pronto.....

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  • Anglotino

    @98 malen

    With the blue dollar, Argentina is uniquely cheap and I can bring US$10,000 legally into Argentina. That's equal to nearly 90,000 peso.

    But not to study Spanish. I prefer to speak with a Bogotano accent and not porteño.

    @99Malvinense 1833

    “I thought the population and Vernet had British permission. The British can not match their lies.”

    They did! Hence the reason the Argentine garrison that was established in late 1832 was removed.

    We are still waiting for you to make a point......

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @99:
    He had permission from the British consulate in BA to set up his venture on the Islands, yes.

    He did not have permission to seize a U.S. vessel.

    Learn to write in English also, you might be taken a little more seriously.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @101 “The British colony” of Vernet was destroyed.
    There were no British protest.
    We are still waiting for you to make a point.
    @102 In the English language, I was always bad student. Maybe at some point I will go to an academy to study.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @103;
    So you are saying that Vernets enterprize was a 'British' undertaking?

    In other words are you saying he reprisented the 'British'?

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @103

    Who said it was a “British colony”? It was a business venture with British permission to operate on British territory. Of course that permission didn't extend to the right to carry out acts of piracy against American vessels, and I doubt if anybody was too upset when the Americans stepped in for the landlord and closed the piracy down. But you're probably right that it would have been better if the landlord himself had intervened before the tenants got seriously out of order in 1833.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @105 Now the colony “is not British”. A businessman meets with British permission, and job with Argentine law.
    Please do not insult our intelligence.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @106

    Exactly. When the 'businessman' chose to abuse British hospitality by setting himself up as a representative of BA and attacking friendly vessels, he got himself sorted out.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @107: & 106:
    Both The United States and Great Britain did not recognise any authority/right of Buenos Aires over the Islands.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @ 107 & 108 Beautiful fairy tale.
    To this day I find no British document authorizing Vernet to settle in the Malvinas Islands.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @109 Malvinense 1833

    “To this day I find no British document authorizing Vernet to settle in the Malvinas Islands.”

    So what!

    What we do have proof of is Argentinean soldiers being evicted twice now. 1833 and 1982.

    And there is nothing that you, your government or anyone in your country can do to change those facts.

    Aug 27th, 2013 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @109

    Aren't Vernet's own writings good enough for you?

    '1856 – May 5th, Luis Vernet writes to Lord Harrowby; “… the wish, to get my Colony under the British Flag, was in accordance with my own interests and those of my colonists, which required such change of flag; because situated as we were on the Highway of Nations, we could not expect permanent prosperity, unless placed under the sovereignty of a Government capable of protecting us against filibustering or other aggressions. As to the grants of Land, wild cattle, and privileges, these were originally obtained not with the view to establish any claim to the Islands on the part of Buenos Ayres, but merely to secure the best protection I could for my new colony, from the Authorities for the time being, regardless who they might be.”'

    http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/

    Plenty more chapter and verse in there on Vernet's dealings with Woodbine Parrish.

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #111
    That's unfair !! You are quoting FACTS. Malv. does not do facts but only his opinion.

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @111 1856!!!. Vernet trying to regain some of the lost! Only Words of Vernet in 1856!!!
    Where is the document authorizing its establishment in the islands?

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @113

    So Vernet was lying in 1856, is that what you're saying?

    It's also rather curious that the poor chap was left to his own devices to attempt to recover his losses through the British and American courts as a private citizen. You'd think that as the official representative of sovereignity claimant proto-Argentina, he might have got some support from that government, diplomatic or legal. And it must have been really galling for him in this respect when Argentina abandoned its claim by signing the Arana-Southern Treaty of 1850. I guess being appointed Commandant or whatever it was in 1829 didn't amount to much. Maybe that's when he changed his story. Or was he already spreading falsehoods before that, do you think?

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  • Malvinense 1833

    @114 Of course, because a lot of money invested in your colony.
    It is logical the claim against the United States. Destroyed their colony.
    It is logical the claim to the United Kingdom. This country usurped the islands to Argentina and stole the goods from Vernet.
    Vernet trying to regain some of the lost!
    Meanwhile Argentina, following the claim by diplomatic channels. Vernet was not alone.
    As for Arana-Southern Treaty, is known to be a lies of P & P.

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 08:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @115

    It's hardly logical that poor old Vernet was left to pursue his claim as a private citizen if it's the Argentine state that was supposedly usurped and supposedly had its sovereignity violated.

    It's also rather ironic that in order to sustain itself, the Malvinista camp is forced to denounce its own main support as a liar.

    But let's see about P&P now. What lies exactly did they tell about Arana-Southern? Are there lies about the existence of the Treaty? Or its text?

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @115:
    Here, and this is not from wikipedia.

    It in Spanish for you, you should readit - You won't burst in to flames!!

    http://www.falklandshistory.org/historia-falsa.pdf

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Luis Vernet lied?

    That's not going to help the Malvinas cause.

    Perhaps it is a family trait?

    Aug 28th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @116 “Vernet was left to pursue his claim as a private citizen”
    This proves that there was no British government authorization.
    The claims Vernet's descendants continue to this day.
    It is another proof for Argentina.
    While protesting Vernet, Argentina did the same through diplomatic channels.
    Where is the document evidencing the authorization of the establishment of the Vernet colony of British government ?
    In relation to the treaty Arana-Southern the falsehood is not its existence or its text, the false is the interpretation of P & P.
    @117 P & P again, more lies.

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  • HansNiesund

    @119
    Really? And why then did the Brits compensate Vernet in the end? An extremely generous act, in my view, given that he'd abused British hospitality by getting himself appointed BA Commandant and taking up extortion of friendly vessels. What compensation did he get from Argentina for his losses?

    And notoriously, of course, after signature of the undisputed text of the Arana-Southern Treaty of Perfect Friendship in 1850 Argentina gives up all diplomatic protest, and poor old Vernet, Commandant appointed by the Argentine state is left to pursue his own claims alone. Not that he'd got much help up to that point either, of course.

    It's interesting also that while Vernet complains about horses and animal skins and buildings, he hasn't got a word to say about the supposed expulsion of his colonists in 1833. If it was me looking for compensation, I'd have been screaming that from the rooftops myself. As it is, some people might be forced to conclude that it never happened.

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  • Escoses Doido

    @Malvinense;
    That's right, just keep repeating your mantra (lies, lies, lies, lies, lies,) to yourself, and your world will be fine.

    You are going to spend the rest of your life in frustration, unless you accept the truth.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @120 None British diplomat used as a defense the Arana-Southern Treaty. Why?
    Because you do not can give a false interpretation as do P & P.
    Where is the document authorizing its colony in the islands?
    @121 Escoses: It in english for you.
    : http://www.embajadaabierta.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/vernet.pdf

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @122 Malvinense

    Why oh why are you wasting your time on here, an obscure discussion board on the internet! You should be marching up to the doors of the ICJ to demand to be heard. 1833 you say, shouldn't be a problem - your 'facts' speak for themselves. It is truly outrageous this injustice against Argentina - just remember to wear your long pants when you turn up though; will make you look all grown up so they will.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @123 FI_Frost: Hello, i only wish that the two countries agree and resort to a method of solution. (Arbitration or International Court of Justice). And goodbye problem.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FI_Frost

    @124 Malvinense

    You mean like the 'solution' imposed on Patagonia in the 1870's and the one resolved in 1833 (and again in 1982)? If so, then Its all settled then. Lets all be friends.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @125 FI_Frost: Let, ironies. I speak of a true solution, (arbitration or ICJ) even at the expense of Argentina lost forever the Malvinas Islands.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @122

    Vernet sent copies of all legal documents of incorporation to the British diplomatic delegation in 1828. There exist in the British archives copies of documents signed both by Vernet and the British Vice-Consul, Charles Griffiths dated January 30, 1828.

    In addition there survive two letters between Vernbet and Woodbine Parrish, in which Vernet tells Parish of his preference for transferring his business to British sovereignity.

    There is also correspondence between Parish and Foreign Secretary Lord Aberdeen,where Parrish describes his encounters with Vernet : “He would, I believe, be very happy if His Majesty's Government would take his settlement under Their protection:”

    Then in late 1831 Louis Vernet met a British officer passing through Port Louis, a lieutenant named William Landon, and once again stated his preference for British sovereignity. Landon then writes a letter to R.W There, Assistant Secretary of Colonial Affairs: ”From a conversation I had with Mr. Vernet upon the subject, I am Authorised in saying no objection would be made ​​to the occupation of it by the British Government, provided private property would not be interfered with ”

    Malvi, if Vernet is the best you've got, you're in big trouble.

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  • Escoses Doido

    @122 malvanenes;

    C'mon - That is not an original transcript, its a typed 'copy'.

    Explain where the original letter is to be found, presumably in your AGN??

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @128
    What a shame it's not an authentic original, for it is the famous document read out by Marcelo Luis Vernet at the June 2012 C24 in the presence of CFK, Timerman, and 90 other assorted yes-men, henchmen, placemen and bannermen, in which Marcelo lets slip that there was no Argentine attempt to take possession of the islands until 1828. Talk about discredting your own argument.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Hans: Vernet's preference by the British, in no way means British sovereignty.
    Vernet lost all, in Argentine law compliance .
    if Vernet, correspondence, conversation, letters a plaque, and false discovery is the best you've got, you're in big trouble.
    The take possession of the islands dated 1820.

    Alejandro Betts responds to British lies.
    http://www.fundacion-malvinas.org.ar/index.php/articulos-de-interes/959-monografia-acotada-de-la-situacion-en-puerto-soledad-en-el-momento-de-la-invasion-britanica-el-3-de-enero-de-1833

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  • Anglotino

    @130 Malvinense 1833

    “if Vernet, correspondence, conversation, letters a plaque, and false discovery is the best you've got, you're in big trouble.”

    The UK's sovereignty doesn't rest on Vernet, correspondence, conversation, a plaque and discovery. The Argentine claim DOES!

    Therefore it isn't the UK that is “in big trouble” but Argentina.

    The UK's sovereignty rests on 180 years of contiguous settlement and government.

    International law isn't interested in discovery.
    International law isn't interested in plaques.
    International law isn't interested in letters.
    International law isn't interested in events 180 years ago!

    International law recognises non-self governing territories' rights to self determination.

    The UN and international law recognises UK sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.

    As the UN and international law recognise these two legal facts; all other historical facts are nothing but footnotes in history.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @131 Anglotino: The UN and international law doesn't recognises UK sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands.
    The sovereignty of the United Kingdom is based on 180 years of usurpation and expulsion of authorities and population Argentina by force.

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Robert Aldrich (born 1954) is an Australian(real one) historian and writer.

    The book The last Colonies by Robert Aldrich and John Connell page 200

    1833 ' The British commander raise the Union Jack, claimed possession of the islands and expelled the Argentinians.
    ”The Falklands officially became a Crown colony in 1840, a governor and a few Scotsmen arrived to establish a British pastoral settlement. Argentina hotly disputed the British takeover, and Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands”

    Aug 29th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @133
    As has been examined here many times, Argentine diplomatic protests ceased after signature of the Arana-Southern Treaty in 1850 and did not resume again (with one exception in the 1880s) until 1941 when the Peronists realised you couldn't have a proper populist demagoguery without an external enemy, and lo one was found.
    @130
    Sorry, but a newspaper claim that a pirate captain claims to have claimed the islands on behalf of the government of BA does not confer sovereignity under any sane system of territorial acquisition. This is particularly so when the government of BA makes no attempt to even acknowledge the claim, and its official Commandant seems to be unaware of it when he attempts to take possession some years later. While simultaneously pleading, as we've established, with the Brits to be British.

    In fact your desperate search for nit-picking arguments when the historical record is so clearly against you only serves to show how weak your case really is. And even if something had taken place that might legitimately be regarded as an usurpation, it would still make no difference. Because the question isn't about who had the best claim two or three or even four centuries ago, it's about who has the best claim in 2013. And the answer to that is blindingly obvious in the light of 20th century international law and the founding principles of the United Nations.

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  • Clyde15

    #132
    Does the UN and International Law recognize Argentina's so-called sovereignty over the Falklands.? I think not !
    As has been stated ad nauseum. Why doesn't Argentina take it to the ICJ if you feel SO strongly about it.

    Aug 30th, 2013 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @132 Malvinense 1833

    “UN and international law doesn't recognises UK sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands.”

    Actually I think you do need to do something that you have never done before. Think about what you say and do a little research.

    Which country is the UN asking to decolonise the Falkland Islands? Only the country that has sovereignty can actually decolonise a territory. Recognition of a sovereignty dispute does not mean there is a recognition of sovereignty just a DISPUTE.

    Unfortunately there is a precedent that doesn't help Argentina. Western Sahara.
    1957 Morocco claims Western Sahara
    1963 Morocco has Western Sahara put on the UN list of non-self-governing territories
    1965 UN General Assembly adopts a resolution asking Spain to decolonise
    1975 Spain relinquishes control to Morocco and Mauritania
    1979 Mauritania relinquishes control to Morocco
    2013 UN recognises that Spain holds de jure sovereignty not Morocco.

    So 34 years after gaining control of Western Sahara and after 50 years after asking the UN to recognise its sovereignty claim and list it as a colony, the UN still DOES NOT RECOGNISE Moroccan sovereignty.

    It does however recognise the original inhabitant's right to self-determination.

    @133 Marcos Alejandro

    The Last Colonies. Sounds like a good read. If “Buenos Aires made continual diplomatic representations over the next 150 years to recover the islands” then the Argentinean government will be able to produce such records if anyone ever asks for them.

    However no one has asked for them and for some unfathomable reason, no Argentinean government has ever made these records available.

    Absolutely amazing that no one has yet to see these records.

    But what exactly would such records prove under international law?

    Aug 30th, 2013 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @134 Hans: Sorry, but a claim by force and violence of a pirate captain claims to have claimed the islands on behalf of the government of UK does not confer sovereignity under any sane system of territorial acquisition. This is particularly so when the government of London makes no attempt to even acknowledge the claim, during 55 years.

    “it's about who has the best claim in 2013.”
    It is for this reason that the UK has consistently refused to negotiate.
    30 August
    Today is Santa Rosa de Lima, “the British governor” Luis Vernet fired 21 guns saluting the flag Argentina.
    Where is the document (royal decree) authorizing its colony in the islands?

    Aug 30th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    And yet in 2013 Argentina doesn't have sovereignty.

    Spending the rest of your life nitpicking tiny historical incidents will make you feel less powerless.

    No one cares what Luis Vernet did because no one will ever adjudicate on this.

    Aug 30th, 2013 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @138 Anglotino: Those little historical incidents provoked a war in 1982 and the problems continue into the present.

    Aug 30th, 2013 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    No an unelected despotic government that was in financial trouble provoked a war in 1982. Historical half truths predominantly manufactured since the 1940s may have been used but they did not provoke.

    Historical incidents are just that, historical. If Argentina wishes to hinge most its foreign policy on these incidents then that is its right.

    However there is no problem except for Argentina.

    Don't you get it? There is no problems for the Falkland Islanders. They live as they wish to live. They are rich, prosperous and have a thriving economy. They control their own lives and there isn't anything they can get fom Argentina that they can't get elsewhere.

    By all means spend the next several years on here discussing minor historical footnotes. But there is nothing the UN or ICJ or Argentinean government can do to change. 2014 will be no different to 2013.

    The next maor political change in the Falkland Islands will probably be independence in a couple of decades. There's nothing Argentina can do stop that.

    It doesn't matter Luis Vernet said or did. He's dead and not important.

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  • Clyde15

    #137
    Was it a salute or was he firing at the flag ?

    Aug 31st, 2013 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @139

    Right. And 1000 people lost their lives in pursuit of a version of history that is at once completely irrelevant and demonstrably false. And still you fill your children's heads with it.

    Aug 31st, 2013 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Some day the islanders will be with us. I have no doubt. Port Stanley will the largest British community in Argentina.
    Argentina will incredibly two official languages​​: English and Spanish.
    Argentina may have a president islander.
    That day finally will arrive.
    It worries me to know nothing of Lady Isolde.

    Aug 31st, 2013 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Escoses Doido

    @143:
    'We come in peace' 'we come in peace' ta ta ta, ta ta ta - ta ta tat ta.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld7SE2qumpA

    Aug 31st, 2013 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    @143 Malvinense 1833

    Perhaps...

    before 1982.

    But the world is different now.

    There is nothing that Argentina can offer the islanders. With the Internet and cheap air travel the Islands are now less isolated than they have ever been since settlement.

    The world can totally accommodate micro-states and no Argentinean has ever been able to give one single benefit for the Islanders in being Argentine.

    However, Argentina's weak protection for minorities; tendency to autocratic government; continual decline in living standards; repeating economic crises; restrictive trade and currency regime and repeated falsehoods against the Islanders are what the Islanders don't want.

    Argentina had its chance and now has lost it forever.

    Aug 31st, 2013 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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