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Unasur embarrassment: Suriname president’s son arrested by US on drug and arms trafficking

Saturday, August 31st 2013 - 18:03 UTC
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Suriname opposition legislators have called on President Desi Bouterse to resign as well as to clarify the circumstances surrounding the arrest of his son by United States law enforcement authorities in Panama earlier this week. Read full article


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  • golfcronie

    Must be a Latam thing

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    I was wondering a couple of weeks ago, why Suriname's president jumped on the Mercosur train. Now everything's clear. They fit quite well.

    Golfcronie, not a very clever sentence. Could say same about all Europeans regarding your history of dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Franco, Mussolini, etc... must be a Europe thing.

    Whatch out with your generalisations.

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    2 ManRod

    Do you really want to get into a pissing contest about the “LatAm thing”?

    I live in Uruguay, read all the SA papers that I can and of course the country is next to Argentina. A bunch of wanabe gangsters is driving that country into liquidation while lining their own pockets. And to think that this all started with Peron, a fascist who was an understudy to Mussolini (you missed that one of course).

    At the other next door we have Brasil, the president of which is an ex (hopefully) terrorist, surrounded by acknowledged masters in corruption of sovereign monies. Murders and mayhem in the favelas carry on uninterrupted by the police who are more corrupt than the drug dealers.

    Correas father was a drug dealer who died in an American prison for it while the president claims drug dealing is not illegal.

    The Cow Pat running Bolivia was a coca leaf farmer and imbiber, now he is doing everything he can to emulate TMBOA by reducing the press, etc. as well as running for an extra, extra term and altering laws so as to implicate the opposition to him in any crime you care to name.

    Venezuela: what can anybody NOT say happens in the oil rich but broke country? Second on homicides in the world is it, I can’t even be bothered to check how many extra-judicial murders there were under Chavez.

    Colombia: how many in fighting drug cartels are there? Does anyone know or anybody care?

    And now Suriname, and they made this gangster part of the Counter Terror Unit (allegedly), well, might as well keep it in the family.

    And that was just 10 minutes of my time.

    But, if you are happy to align yourself with this bunch that’s up to you.

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoJo

    but it is certainly a thing of “like father, like son”. His dad Desi was found guilty of organizing the smuggling of around 500 kg of cocaine in 2000, and was convicted to 11 years in jail by a Dutch court. Alas, he never served those of course, but can't really go to many countries on holiday either! Let's hope the law eventually catches up with these murdering thieving bastards

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    could not have put it better, cheers

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (2) ManRod

    You're right..........

    Hitler( born in Austria), Stalin (born in Georgia), Franco (born in Spain), Mussolini (born in Italy), Dino Bouterse (born in Holland)...

    ........... must be an European thing.

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Falkland Islands

    and unlucky for the whole world, Kretina born.

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Yes and all dead, thank god,( except Dino ) but he came from the loins of a Latam ( must be the bad genes )

    Sep 01st, 2013 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    @ 3 ChrisG, I am fully aware of all these bunch of idiots you have mentioned in all these countries. Nevertheless, they are not ALL Latinamerica. I am Chilean and I consider it offensive to be put in one pot with all the mentioned ones, same as you probably feel offended by being put in the category of dictators (which of course, each one superceedes atrocity by expotential margin of all the latin american idiots togehter) or being put in one pot with all broke incapable and not less corrupt European-Mediterranean nations.

    A comparison of harm of what the Latin American idiots have done to the world vs the European dictators brought death to the world is NOT going to end favourable in your matter.

    Additionally, regarding the pissing thing... LATAM can't be that worse, as your presence in Uruguay proves there must be worth of to “waste” your live in a hopeless continent, or aren't you the master of your own destiny?

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    By saying it is a 'Latam thing' it implies that all the people of Latin America are criminals and drug dealers. I know that is not true. You know it is not true.

    How do the criminals end up running several of the Latin American countries? Now that is worth debating. Possibly because the power and money in those countries is held by a minority of corrupt people? Possibly because sociopathic people are more likely to rise to powerful positions? Possibly because the majority are without the power to change the system that keeps them poor? Possibly because poverty is ruthless?

    I could go on but, with all due respect, I don't think the majority of people in Latam are any different in their aspirations and morals than the majority of people, though what might be culturally acceptable can differ. Just sayin'.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    9 ManRod

    Guess why I didn't mention Chile: got the answer? I respect Chile for how it manages the economy and you have no reason to berate me over Chile: please look at my previous posts.

    10 ElaineB

    For someone who has far more experience than me in the Southern Cone I am amazed that you miss the obvious thing. All these crazy idiots running these countries were elected by sizable majorities and those that voted for them must be held accountable. That is why I say it IS a LatAm thing once election time comes round. If these people are so level headed why are the gangsters and loony toons in government for the majority of the continent? Your second paragraph does not come to any meaningful conclusions.

    Even in Uruguay the “Wide / Broad / Widespread / (take your pick) Front who polled 48% last time are controlled by rabid left wingers and communists and this country is by far the most respected within the international community. The Chairwoman of Frente Amplio, a double medical doctor of impeccable professional standards has a personal election CV that would make Stalin proud of her and she is a member of all the wacky international organisations that you can imagine.

    I now realise that I am mistaken in getting frustrated on behalf of the “masses” in Uruguay over the corruption (down to all levels of government including the councils) that rips what little money they earn from them for all these social inclusion policies that are abused just like those in the UK and stuffed by new Labour dead-head voters with their flat panel TVs, beer and fags whilst not working a day in their life. They voted for Pepe, et al.

    I should feel sorry for the business owners and professionasl who did not vote this rabble into power: they can be compared to the likes of Simon68 in The Dark Country who never voted for the K’s but never the less are on a ride to hell because of them.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @11 My second paragraph was to open the debate, not offer a conclusion. It appears to have worked. :)

    Think about your first paragraph. How many were legitimately elected by the majority? You know the stats on the last Argentine election as an example or look at the Venezuelan election.

    Now consider the majority of voters in many Latam countries are neither well-educated, (yes, I know some are), have free access to information and, more importantly, are easily bought. Hence my comment about poverty being ruthless. As someone once said to me, 'morals are the privilege of the middle-class when your children are hungry'.

    Yes, I have some experience across the social spectrum and in several countries in Latam. Because of that I no longer blame the people for the sins of the leaders. Poverty is immediate. Most people I meet in the course of my work are just getting through another day. Why do you think they are so easily led by populist leaders that sell them false hope? We judge from the luxury of being educated, in a country with free access to information and where we are encouraged to question our leadership. We know if we vote we can affect the outcome. We are fortunate to have that. Poor people, and an awful lot of Latam people especially in Central America are poor, live in the immediacy. That is a major problem.

    I agree with you about Chile but they are a part of Latam. I am guilty too of over-generalising and assuming people will understand I know there are exceptions. It would be boring to have to add a caveat to every post.

    I am just opening debate here.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    Suriname is not in Latin America

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    Surinam is a small (less then 300.000 people) Germanic, Francophone ( is latin) Anglo saxon (ugly version derrived of germanic) speaking multi ethnic population. Some Hispanics (mainly from Chile...schools fail many kids there) are to stupid to understand that....include the ugly dumb f'ers from the UK where schools fail many students.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Simon68

    Suriname is NOT francophone, the official language is Dutch. It is also very definitely is Latin America.

    Why the Dog Dildo is coming down on Hispanics, I don't know, obviously it doesn't know anything about Suriname!!!!!!!

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 15 Simon68

    AND he is a Dutchman or so he says, but he lies at every turn!

    Had to laugh at your “Dog Dildo” beats mine for him.


    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Ayayay

    Think, the thing is you're mentioning what happened 70 years ago in Europe compared to what's happening in Latin America now. Times change and it seems South America is behind them. We've seen what happens in Europe during the last global downturn (Great Depression took ten years to turn into ww2) I would be super unsuprised if fascism came to SA in four years.
    Look at Greece, they're a mix of Italian and Middle Eastern blood and there's already swastika waving and stability issues.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    'Suriname is NOT francophone, the official language is Dutch. It is also very definitely is Latin America.'


    South America, not Latin America

    Latin America = countries where primary language is Latin/Romance based eg Spanish, Portuguese, French.

    Primary language of Suriname is Dutch, a Germanic language.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Touché :)

    Latam thing...?

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    10% of Surinam's resident population are Brazilian. And it's growing. But probably not enough for those that define on exclusion.

    Funny that Surinam, an independent post colonial country, isn't considered Latin American but then French Giuana, an overseas department and territory of the EU, is.

    Well, according to the logic espoused here.

    Sep 02nd, 2013 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Surinam isn't considered Latin because it's not Latin.
    You might wish for Surinam to be Latin, but then again, you wish to appear clever too...

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ManRod

    Fido Dido, unfortunately you expose yourself as an ignorant d*ck again...
    so you didn't know about your dutchie cousins in Suriname?
    Seems they are also big in drug business, making honour of your dutch traditions and legacy...

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino


    Stop being a idiot and making a fool of yourself.

    “You might wish for Surinam to be Latin, but then again, you wish to appear clever too...”

    Please for the benefit of us all here, please show exactly where I said that I “wish for Surinam to be Latin”.

    Seems you are the one that wished to appear clever and failed abysmally.

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Must be a man thing.

    Most of the transgressions of the drug-laws by presidents, prime ministers etc and their offspring are seen to be done by MEN.
    Nearly all of these are done by white men - often with a TAN.
    ... and significantly, the majority of them are DEAD.

    It is obviously an greeny-off-white-man thing.
    (That's what comes from inhaling)

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    I never said you wished that, merely that you might do so.

    Clever boy...

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino


    Indeed I am a clever boy. Unlike you who can't support what you claim.

    Anyway nice to see that France is officially Latin American. Quebec as well I'm guessing. Unless there's another variable that someone hasn't mentioned.

    Silly boy....

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    France in America?
    Sure, clever boy, sure...

    France in America...

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino


    I can't help it if according to the definition above; France, which has a territory called French Guiana in the America's and has a population that speaks a Latin/romance based language.

    I do believe your reply to that definition was:
    ”Touché :)

    Latam thing...?”

    Or perhaps you missed a variable in your rush to exclude?

    Again I concur that I am indeed a clever boy. And reiterate that you're a silly one.

    Sep 03rd, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    But of course you are a clever are. In fact, with your knowledge of geographics, you qualify as the Aussie equivalent of a yanqui...
    I was talking about Surinam...

    France in America... But of course...

    Sep 04th, 2013 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Now try Stevie.

    Bit too late. France is now Latin American. I'm sure they'll be shocked.

    Sep 04th, 2013 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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