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President Rousseff pushing new legislation forcing internet companies to comply with Brazilian rules

Friday, September 13th 2013 - 00:31 UTC
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President Dilma Rousseff is pushing new legislation that would seek to force Google, Facebook and other internet companies to store locally gathered data inside Brazil. The requirement would be difficult to execute, technology experts say, given high costs and the global nature of the Internet. Read full article

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  • Mr Ed

    No one in Brazil is required to use Google or Facebook, by use they consent to data handling, which is the consideration for 'free' services. This will raise costs and potentially make Facebook not viable in Brazil.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    I did have a Fb account until I realised how insecure my data actually was and terminated it.

    Rousseff is obviously a computer illiterate and the pomposity of this government is highlighted by the laughable name for the legislation: “Internet Constitution.”

    Rousseff is about to find out that Brazil will NOT be able to rule the internet, not in Brazil and NEVER internationally.

    The internet is what scares the US shitless, and with good reason.

    If Brazil don’t like it they can do without it; RIOTS before she can say Facebook!

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    It is better to live without Google and Facebook and develop our own software. There is already such an initiative among BRICS. Brazil, India and China are accelerating the construction of a network free from external interference or spies.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    I wonder if Brazilians will realise that this is dictatorship in action? If “locally-gathered data” has to be held inside Brazil, it all becomes governed by Brazilian laws. And not just “privacy” laws. And how does one enforce it? Only by investigating what is contained in the data centres. Therefore, everything is subject to government oversight. Question: If a Brazilian user accesses information held on a Portuguese server, what information gets held inside Brazil? Suppose a Brazilian user accesses MercoPress, does the Brazilian government only get to see that the user accessed a foreign server? Or does it get to see what the user looked at? Or anything the user typed? Or the “context” in which it was typed? But that “context” includes material from users in other countries. What right does Brazil have to access material from other countries? Will internet companies demand that Brazilians pay extra for access? Or just cut Brazil off? Cutting Brazil off would probably be the cheapest option. Watch out for new URLs that include “wwweb”. It means “world wide web except brazil”. What would the Brazilian government care? Why would the peasants want information from around the world?

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    We do not want the information of others, just do not want others to have access to what is ours. Is better to suffer with our own dictatorship than with foreign dictatorships. So, peasants need less of lords, than lords needs peasants.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    I agreed to 'data-handling' (#1) for internet, Google, Facebook, ebay, etc;
    I didn't agree to having my transactions passed to the USA's NSA.

    If Brasil becomes self-contained for these data-transactions, there will be a vast new national advertising service industry that needs setting up. Enterprising, or what!

    No, these almost-worldwide internet companies would lose out big-time if many nations followed the Brasilian and Chinese route.
    Ok, it will cost them $billions to avoid it, but the industry is worth $trillions over the foreseeable future.

    It can be argued that they were very silly boys to get themselves in this position in the first place.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @5 Goodbye Brazil. A few minutes of “thought” might tell you that the only sites you will have access to are Brazilian-controlled government sites. Still, you won't have access here. Then we won't have to bother with your inanity.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    6 GeoffWard2

    From what I have seen in Uruguay at government level their knowledge of information technology is lamentable and their implementation of integrated systems for operating the identity card scheme is child like. Having had all our details on the system in Maldonado, which needed to be checked and authorised by Montevideo for Maldonado to issue our cedulas, they had to write all the files to a DVD, send it by motorcycle courier to MVD and then the courier brought another “authorised” DVD back to Maldonado! No private network system for sharing data between servers or even just 128 bit encrypted emails.

    Why should Brazil be any different?

    In that case what makes you think ANY organization will find it difficult to hack the new server farm? I would have thought it a gold-stone certainty and then your data will be at risk of being sold around the net like the Russian Mafia did with 6M credit cards from the UK.

    You need not worry about your transactions being passed to the USA's NSA; they will be able to hack the servers for themselves without being traced.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Think about the future, we invaded NASA. NSA, receive our notice also. We want to escape the West forever. No whites. Our world is different!

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljordao

    @3:

    You are free to decide whether or not you should use facebook and google, but neither you nor this crazy c---u---n---t are free to decide whether or not I should use them. This is a very elementary moral lesson. Do I need to draw it for you? Learn some English, babaca.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    ... it's all SO confusing!

    How can China imagine they can get away with having their own internet-based systems?

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Is Dilma on the same meds as CFK?
    Arrogant and Stupid come to mind.
    Forcing big companies to store “Brazilian” data in Brazil is unworkable. It's easier to cut the ties to Brazil and see if there is public demand to restore services.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    Hacking by any party ( News, government, children ) does not build anything. China has obviously hacked the design from the US F-35, but is the Chinese version airworthy for anything yet ? The answer is no.

    Brasil has done very well in the past decade despite the surveillance claims, while North America has not done as well as it could, or has done in previous years. I do not see them benefiting financially recently, except by investing here in Brasil. In fact,, Europe, the Mid East, and Asia all want to invest with us.

    Like Tio (my uncle) coming by the house at odd hours, and looking over my shoulder uninvited while I surf the internet. I ignore it an keep going.

    I think, act, and participate globally. Laws that will “ protect us ” can also be used by others to harm and control us. One has no more than to look at China, Syria, and Iran. Nice internet controls there, right ?

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    ljordao/cryingr

    I know you, babaca!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7k9vDqLOC8

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ljordao

    @14:

    The link has made my day. You are not even a competent brownshirt thug.

    Sep 13th, 2013 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    13 BOTINHO
    “I think, act, and participate globally. Laws that will “ protect us ” can also be used by others to harm and control us. One has no more than to look at China, Syria, and Iran. Nice internet controls there, right ?”

    Spot on young man.

    Sep 14th, 2013 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    One thing we can say with total assurance. No brazilean has a brain. Ignore anything from Brazil. Like argieland, Brazil is shit.

    Sep 14th, 2013 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    This is a serious issue. We all know that an opponent who can control routing can implement an SSL MITM attack. But conformation that this is occurring will kill business.

    Google chairman, Eric Schmidt, has already said that this could cause balkanization of the net. This is not good for business (in this case Google's business) and is an example of the harmful effects of big government - in the guise of the NSA.

    Sep 14th, 2013 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    18 Hepatia

    But what about your final link, your OWN router?

    There IS an answer to this but I am not prepared to state it on here.

    Sep 14th, 2013 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    What's this , Brasil has rules, you're having a larf

    Sep 14th, 2013 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    A good example of such law and legislation in the wrong hands:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/17/chinese-communist-party-online-crackdown

    Imagine this regarding the Escândalo do Mensalão, or the political buy-out scandal. Anyone publishing such information on the internet would be pursued, sued, or incarcerated.

    Sep 17th, 2013 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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