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Malvinas/Falklands joint claims: Spain denies Timerman, calls UK a “friend”
The Spanish government denied having agreed with Argentina on joint measures to press Great Britain for Malvinas Islands and Gibraltar sovereignty claims, as had been reported earlier on Thursday by Argentina’s foreign minister Hector Timerman, and described the UK as a friend country. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHaving just read the other thread on this subject, I am now laughing my arse off!
Sep 27th, 2013 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on guys, get your shit together!
You lot could not organise a piss up in a brewery or a bonk in a brothel!
Oh look, Spain has just realised that it needs the UK far more than it needs Argentina.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or was this some sort of cunning plan to humiliate the Argentines on the international stage in retaliation for Repsol?
Either way, Argentina has now been called out as bare faced liars! In public and at the UN no less.
The Spanish Government, however, really needs to stop worrying about stuff that isn't any of their business and actually get on with the job that they were elected to do: that is run Spain, and try to get them out of the massive economic ruin they're facing.
If not for the rest of Europe, Spain would have defaulted by now.
Well the foreign office openly said it could hurt Spain, I would say that now is the time. This alliance with Argentina is a mistake on Spain's part and will present lots if vulnerable areas for us to put the knife in:
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0EU loans
NATO
Moroccan Spanish territories
UK tourism
North Sea fishing
Catalonian independence
Legal action on Gibraltar
NATO alliance
Now, where to put the boot in first!
All we know for sure, at this stage, is that both parties are habitual liars.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Spain needs to 'back off' over Gibraltar and worry about its OWN colonies, says MEP - SPAIN'S Prime Minister has been accused of hypocrisy after asking the United Nations to step in and order Britain to decolonise Gibraltar. ~ ...But Tory MEP for Gibraltar Ashley Fox criticised Mr Rajoy for calling for the UK to give up Gibraltar when Spain has a similar dispute with Morocco over its overseas territories of Ceuta and Melilla...'
Sep 27th, 2013 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/432384/Spain-needs-to-back-off-over-Gibraltar-and-worry-about-its-OWN-colonies-says-MEP
'Spanish fishermen to fish in Gibraltar again without police harassment'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/432384/Spain-needs-to-back-off-over-Gibraltar-and-worry-about-its-OWN-colonies-says-MEP
'Snowden Fallout: U.S. Wary of Brazilian Assertiveness in “Blue Amazon”? ~ ...Reportedly, the Brazilian firm will conduct hydrocarbons exploration in South Atlantic waters, and drilling will commence halfway between the Falkland Islands and Tierra del Fuego. Within the region, the Brazilians have established allied commercial interests with Buenos Aires, and Petrobras has formed a joint venture with Argentine oil company YPF to explore for oil in Argentine-controlled waters off the Falklands...'
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/432384/Spain-needs-to-back-off-over-Gibraltar-and-worry-about-its-OWN-colonies-says-MEP
Is Garcia-Margallo suggesting Hector Timerman wasn't telling the truth?
Sep 27th, 2013 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a shocker!
lmfao
Sep 27th, 2013 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0you couldnt make it up.
Timerman doesn't care because his statement is being reported in the Argentine press. The fact that it is a lie and the Spanish are denying it is unlikely to be reported.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Sep 27th, 2013 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Could it be a case of “ lost in translation ” Oh, of course Argentinians speak a form of Spanish. ( castellano I believe )
What you mean Argentina lied?
Sep 27th, 2013 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely not.
Argentina and Spain are realising they are going against the world's no 1 power (see American Monocle).
Sep 27th, 2013 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Latinos bow before your master
Poor old Tinman. Probably the most discredited foreign minister at the UN and now caught lying to appease the rabble at home. Resign you silly man, and go to the countryside and wrtite some poetry.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the current Spanish government are partial to making brash claims in front of the very bodies they are seeking support from.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link is for the question, click on the answer tab on the right for the, erm, answer that they got:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FTEXT+WQ+E-2013-007028+0+DOC+XML+V0%2F%2FEN&language=en
You'd think they'd already know wouldn't you?
It's always best, when you've decided to lie, to co-ordinate your lies. Now, over much time, we've learned that tinman lies. Regularly, habitually. By this time, he's probably lied so much that he can't remember which lies he's told and when. It may be that he panics. When in doubt, blame Britain and then dress it up with whatever it takes. In recent months, we should have learned that Garcia-Margallo also lies. Regularly and habitually. Now why did Margallo go all the way to argieland to talk to tinman? Has Spain's economy degenerated to the point where it can't afford phone calls? Or are they so concerned over US monitoring and the knowledge that the US shares intelligence with the UK. Is it all double-bluff. Tinman says that there was an agreement, but Margallo says there wasn't. Which one is lying? How about a clue? “Garcia-Margallo has promised a press conference on Friday in New York”. What was wrong with answering the questions at the time?
Sep 27th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice to be called a 'friend' by Spain. 1/5 of our nation holiday in spain every year, and lots of Brits live there all year round, Spanish students and graduates come to Britain all the time, plenty of cross pollination between these old adversaries .. so why does Senor Marshmallow want to loose this symbiotic relationship? I guess he doesn't and it's absolutely all diversionary tactics from their economic woes... or he's just a twonk.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Rajoy has suddenly realised that all this Gibraltar nonsense is getting away from him and Gollum Lite has been told to STFU or else go and live in The Dark Country for keeps.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But do The Brits WANT the spicks as friends after this?
Garcia-Margallo is looking for a pair of stockings made of Falkland Islands wool - good for cold feet.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain seems to have a novel interpretation of the word friendship.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...ROFLMAO....one could'nt make this shit up.....Gosh love my laugh first thing in the mornin,kinda sets me up for the day....lol....!!
Sep 27th, 2013 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina and Spain should become military buddies like the UK and Canada, Australia, USA etc
Sep 27th, 2013 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Together they'd become a real threat to the world....Laugh out LOUD
All this talk about “dialog” and UN Resolutions yet the countries who whinge about them 24-7 run away FAST every time the UK and/or Islanders are there to talk.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Ignore 'em
Sep 27th, 2013 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am convinced that Tinpotman is a British spy because nobody can be that stupid & inept. His amateurish attempts at diplomacy are ensuring that the Malvinas will remain British for another 180 years.......pssst don't tell the Rgs
Sep 27th, 2013 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can anyone enlighten me as to why Spain refuses to hand over the enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco? Could it be that the inhabitants do not want that? Hmmmmmmmm Sounds familiar?
Sep 27th, 2013 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see the trolls don't seem keen to show face on this particular thread........
Sep 27th, 2013 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Apart from one)
Whatever the truth not sure Britain regards Spain as particularly friendly. The EU is beginning to unravel which is good.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 024
Sep 27th, 2013 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gibraltar is recognised as a colony by both Spain and Britain, while Ceuta and Melilla have the same state legislation as is applied in the rest of Spain.
What is the basis of Morocco's claim...
.....the area is next to them?
Did Morocco even exist for the 500 years they have belonged to Spain....
It has to be said that there ARE similarities between the “cases” of the Falklands and Gibraltar. For a start, neither are colonies. In definition, a colony is a territory under the IMMEDIATE political control of a state. Are the Falkland Islands under the IMMEDIATE political control of the UK? The Falkland Islands has a Governor as representative of the sovereign. It also has a Legislative Assembly that doesn't take any instruction from London and is democratically elected. The clue about the Legislative Assembly is the word “Legislative”. It makes laws. If the Falkland Islands were a colony, why doesn't the Governor make the laws? Why doesn't the Governor receive laws ready-made from London? Because the Falklands governs themselves. Gibraltar also has a Governor as representative of the sovereign. It also has Her Majesty's Government of Gibraltar. It is also democratically elected. Why does the Chief Minister go to London for discussions with the British government? Don't they just tell him what to do? And it seems that the Gibraltar government also makes laws. How come both the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar send their own representatives to international forums? Shouldn't they be told to stay home while the UK “represents” them? So they aren't “colonies” Britain does NOT accept “colony” status. Another similarity is the various non-binding UN resolutions that don't represent a “mandate”. A “mandate” is an obligation. Something that is non-binding can't be an “obligation”. And, finally, both argieland and Spain refuse to take their “claims” to the ICJ. Why would that be? Because the “claims” are for domestic consumption? Because the “claims” enable argieland and Spain to “strut their stuff” on an international stage and feel important? Because they would lose big-time and they know it? I have to say that I wonder why the UK doesn't expose argieland and Spain for the liars that they are? Just stand up in the General Assembly and spell out the lies.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A_Voice
Sep 27th, 2013 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few points though I'm unsure where you really stand on Gibraltar even after that post.
“Gibraltar is recognised as a colony by both Spain and Britain”
Gibraltar is no longer recognised as a colony by the UK but as an Overseas Territory that is self-governing in most matters.
“Did Morocco even exist for the 500 years they have belonged to Spain....”
While Melilla has been Spanish since 1497- so correctly it has been Spanish for over 500 years. However Ceuta has only been part of Spain since 1668 - before that is was Portuguese.
The Alaouite Dynasty has ruled Morocco since 1666 and hence has ruled longer than Spain has held Ceuta.
“What is the basis of Morocco's claim......the area is next to them?”
Well perhaps as Spain invokes territorial integrity as part its claim, that might be good enough for Morocco.
If not length of rule seems to be an important part of your logic.
Damn shame for Spain that it only ruled Gibraltar for 242 years - much less than Britain's 309 years.
Seems there must be more to who should govern some regions than time, history or a form of government.
A Voice. Your two arguments may be completely valid and in which case you have completely demolished Argentinas claim over the Falkland Islands
Sep 27th, 2013 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's face it, Spain and the UK will never really completely strayed off. Eventually they re-engage and when governments change in London and Madrid, it will be like a fresh start, as alaways in MOST bilateral relations.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is only when neither country has any leverage whatsoever (political, cultural, economic), that such re-engagements fail to occur. Which is why there will never be an Argentina-UK relation ever again. Certainly not like the one before 1955.
@ 29 Anglotino
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about the 800 odd years that Spain was ruled by the Moors, from what is now Morocco, does this mean Morocco can claim that the very existence of Spain violates their territorial integrity?
Just a thought.
@31
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank goodness, Argentina need to evolve another 100 years before they fit for a good relationship with the UK.
Interesting the Argentine press have not reported Spain's denial of their so called alliance :-)
@31
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would respectfully say you are wrong, I would think the next government ( it won't be long ) would engage with the UK on all sorts of topics.They may even say they agree with the majority of countries and say that the FALKLANDERS have a right to determine their own future. But until that happens the status quo will suffice.
#33 LN and Clarín where reporting on it long before Mercopress was
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 029
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Skip
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
“Gibraltar is no longer recognised as a colony by the UK but as an Overseas Territory that is self-governing in most matters. ”
So for a decade it's now referred to as an “Overseas Territory”....I'm pretty sure it was governing itself before that occurred, so what changed...they got British Passports...that's about it!
I guess the UN must be wrong or did they think, “hey the names changed we had better remove it from the attention of the De-COLONIALisation Committee”
The clue is in the word....De-COLONIALisation.
So all the nations of the UN have it on the list....so 192 Nations are wrong and one...the UK is right!
Shit or get off the pot is what I believe....Full integration or Independence....none of this best of both worlds....
....tax free of the Motherland
.... and free defence...
....at the real British expense
.....IN or OUT!
There has been some suggestion that Argentina has more rights in the European Parliament than the cityzens of Jersey or the Isle of Man. Lets look at expat voting rights.If you are a Brit and emigrate you lose your right to vote after 15 years, and I think Germans after 25. On the contrary if you can prove that your grandfather or great grandfather was Spanish or Italian you can vote in the elections of those countries,in the case of Italy for 6 senate seats and 14 deputies. Whether these voters have aright to vote in European Parliament I am not sure
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think there are about 900,000 Argentine, Brazilian and Uruguayan enfranchised voters for these elections, correct me if I am wrong
Gibraltar does send a reprensative to the European parliament being part of a British european constituency
Some years ago Morroco applied for membership of the EU and thier application was rejected as they were not part of Europe. So why are Spains African exclaves allowed a voice? To go to the Argentine analogy thes people are a bunch of okupas (squatters) and it doesnt matter how long they have lived there and thier opinions are of no account
Another anomaly Sr Garcia Margallo was returned to the Spanish parliament as a member for Melilla and promoted that his constituency of “squatters” should become a tax haven, the very matter he now accuses without facts of Gibraltar of doing.
Oh well, I could go on but I wont
@35
Sep 27th, 2013 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just had a look at Clarin, can't see anywhere that Spain has denied this alliance and that Timmerman is a big eared liar???????
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/141559/argentina-says-spain-will-join-sovereignty-claims
Sep 27th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No mention of Big Ears though
Its not to difficult you have to go to the sites search pad and enter words like “Margallo”, “España”, “Malvinas” or “Timmerman” http://www.clarin.com/politica/Espana-explicaciones-Repsol-Timerman-Malvinas_0_1000699970.html
Sep 27th, 2013 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Espana-explicaciones-Repsol-Timerman-Malvinas_0_1000699970.html
@A-Voice (36)
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, there is clue in the title of C24...DEcolonisation....and not REcolonisation..... let the people of these territories decide.
@ 40 CabezaDura
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and La Nación is rather mean about it.
They write “Malvinas” to keep the editor out of jail, but use a photo with “THE FALKLAND ISLANDS” in large letters.
@31 I can assure you that, barring a change of mind by the Falklander Islanders and Gibraltarians, the Falkland Islands will not “belong” to argieland and Gibraltar will not “belong” to Spain any time this millenium. Don't bother us again until the year 2114.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 The small point that you miss is that C-24 is a “stacked deck”. But you know that. Even the “chairman” is a biased and bent Ecuadorian. Then there's biased Bolivia; biased Cuba; biased Iran; biased Nicaragua; biased Russia; biased Syria; biased Venezuela. This explains why the UK no longer attends. It knows that the C-24 is bent and refuses to give it credibility. The Falkland Islands and Gibraltar go along to make argieland and Spain look stupid. And succeed!
@40
Sep 27th, 2013 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thankyou for the link, you are quite correct it is there. I read the posts after the article in La Nacion from ordinary Argentines. They all say that Timmerman is just a dreadful liar, one of them saying “the more we push for the Falkland Islands the more friends we lose”.
I have been somewhat unkind on here to the average Argentine, it is easy to buy into the propaganda. It is very clear from reading those comments that they are sick to death of their governments lies and the dreadful mess that they have made of their economy.
I will try to be kinder in future and ignore the Malvinistas on here.
41
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.....“let the people of these territories decide.”
...and what part of a democracy is that?
When does the tiny minority get to decide over the Vast majority?
What about the 60 million UK citizens when have they had a choice?
Where was their say, when was the referendum called to ask if they want to carry on footing the bill for these plastic Brits.
Apart from the few sycophants on here most people don't give a crap about the BOTS....the British nationalistic fervour....“These are our Islands and Johnny foreigner can't have them”.....Not realising the territories and islanders are saying...“Nope these are actually our islands not yours!”
“But keep spending your money on us.....because we're worth it”
....actually they are not and cause more trouble than they are worth!
..and I don't want to hear people replying saying...I don't mind paying....You are not the population of the UK!....
Zip it, ex zip it a, zippy longstockings, zip it, zip it good,
@45
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know nothing about the British
@34
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkands is just the flash point of a much bigger divide. The UK and Argentina disagree and almost everything on a diplomatic / cultural level.
46
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....and you do I suppose.....yawn yeah right...
You only know your own opinions and that don't mean shit..
45 A_Voice
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But am I not correct in concluding that you are not a UK citizen anyway?
Bit difficult to know whether you are or are not as you will not state just what you are (in citizenship terms that is). :o)
45ARacist
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 047TIT
“The Falkands is just the flash point of a much bigger divide. The UK and Argentina disagree and almost everything on a diplomatic / cultural level.”
http://youtu.be/2vlcR25K5xE
49
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It shouldn't really be important.....one doesn't need to be an ant to know all about them.
I can see where you are going with this but consider this..
You are British and even the British have no idea how the vote in Scotland will go...not even the Scots.....you can guess but that's it.... ;-)
So how would a few know what the majority think.
Remember the Syria Parliamentary debate....that was a surprise, who would have guessed!
50....????
#47
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If what you say is true, then we must be doing something right.
@45 Think
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even for you that's lame. I genuinely admire your perseverance though - if only it could have been put to better use.
Yeah I usually post there too, what I don’t like is this medal business they have, commentators are ranked and medaled ones are allowed to report comments and sometimes they can be quite abusive with reporting comments … LN, Clarin, Perfil and Urgente24 are the last free media you get, the rest is all government controlled.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most of us that live in reality have to strive against inflation, corruption, government theft, crime, bureaucracy and a crumbling economy
So far here I have had problems with Kirchnerist. Real Malvinistas would never be kirchnerist as the government made the armed forces into a crumbling relic and hate the military for its role in the 1970s repretion of the left that todas kirchnerism revindicates .
And yes, Timerman is an outstanding idiot, a laughing stock and a populist liar…
“”“”“And yes, Timerman is an outstanding idiot, a laughing stock and a populist liar…”“”“”
Sep 27th, 2013 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QFT
“”“”“ A_Voice”“”“”
QFI
Malvinas / Gibraltar: Spain speaks of “misinterpretation” without denying to Argentina -
Sep 27th, 2013 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said Friday at the UN that there was “some misunderstanding” common front announced by Argentina over the Malvinas and Gibraltar issues, but confirmed that both countries will rely on international forums within certain “ principles ”.
Argentina said on Thursday that Buenos Aires and Madrid agreed at a meeting between Foreign Minister Hector Timerman and Garcia-Margallo in New York performing “joint efforts” to urge Britain to negotiate sovereignty disputes Malvinas Islands claimed by the American country-, and Gibraltar, according to UN resolutions.
This Friday, the Spanish Foreign Minister said the scope of this understanding, speaking of “coincidences” on three issues related to their claims and making it clear that that does not mean the parties support to all measures taken by each government.
“There have been some misunderstanding,” said García-Margallo in a press conference at UN headquarters, explaining that Timerman were found “three coincidences” in the Falklands and Gibraltar contentious in which each party will support the claim of other...'
http://noticias.terra.es/mundo/norteamerica/malvinasgibraltar-espana-habla-de-mala-interpretacion-sin-desmentir-a-argentina,6f9005abd1061410VgnCLD2000000dc6eb0aRCRD.html
Considering that Argentina reckons Spain supports them, there's a lot of Spanish fishing boats paying for fishing licenses from the FIG.
Sep 27th, 2013 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentinian solidarity over Spain's claim for Gibraltar could read:
We'll lend you some money if the UK vetos Euro aid to Spain.
If the British tourists pull out we'll send some Argentine tourists to compensate.
If Britain stops buying your tomatoes/broccolli lettuces etc etc, hey amigos, ship them down to BA.
If the UK inspects more Spanish fishing boats around the UK, hey amigos send them to fish near Argentina.
If the Gibraltarians stop employing 10 000 Spaniards, then perhaps CFK will employ them.
These are the pals that sold out Repsol.
Seems Margallo has smelt the coffee and is backpedalling up his own ass.
What does QTF and QTI stand for ??
Sep 27th, 2013 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 058
Sep 27th, 2013 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was wondering too.
I come here for the comedy!
Sep 28th, 2013 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Sep 28th, 2013 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are comparing some stupid teenagers on a TV show being jokingly asked about Bolivians, Paraguayans, Koreans, and blacks, to DECADES LONG GOVERNMENTAL POLICIES IN THE UNITED STATES, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, AND SOUTH AFRICA (JIM CROW, STOLEN GENERATION, CANADIAN HOLOCAUST, APARTHEID)????????
TIT
Sep 28th, 2013 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is YOUR TV crew, these are YOUR teenagers today. Is one of them you?
Where did they learn these ideas, their parents, their state teachers??
BTW, your state still wages genocide against the 'real' Patagonians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWQqpVBG9dc
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWQqpVBG9dc
@63
Sep 28th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A bit unfair isn't it TTT? The first video demonstrates just one event from a single Bar/Nightclub, while the second is out of proportion if you bothered to read the top comments of the video.
Anyway, French Canadians are universally hated by everyone, just ask my father! Lol, he can't stand them!
Interesting article http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100238466/spains-double-standards-on-gibraltar/
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Panamanian Delegation on Familiarization Visit to the Falkland Islands
Sep 28th, 2013 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfmget=6643&source=3
@63
Sep 28th, 2013 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and by the way, why are you still commenting here TTT? You lied don't you remember? You claimed the UK economy was finished, I provided evidence to the contrary. You promised that you would never comment again if you lied, so why are you still here?????????????
Because it is finished. Long term there is no future with no population growth, no resources, and a mountain of debt. Even if I accept your premise of a “recovery”, it is by far the weakest recovery ever, and it comes from YEARS of recession, which means the bounce should be all the much stronger both from a fundamental level and a statistical one (since you are comparing to dismal numbers).
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@68 - Tobias
Sep 29th, 2013 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still lying.
Well I live in the UK, and the economy is far from finished.
I know where you get this delusion from though. It's from that money week article “The End of Britain” which has been advertised on here for years. It is an old article that is now years out of date.
Never mind Tobias. When the end comes in Argentina, you can sit back and watch your fellow countrymen starve and shiver, whilst you live in the comfort of a decent country like Canada.
For all your protestations, for all your so-called nationalism, you are a hypocrite. Someone who extols the amazing wonderfulness of the Argentine government, whilst at the same time not having to live with the reality of that government.
I remember when we had people in the UK who used extol the virtue of the Communist states of the Soviet Union. They didn't have to live with the depravations, the fear that the secret police would turn up and arrest them, the fear of spending the rest of their lives in a Siberian work camp, or of just being put up against a wall and shot.
Sometimes things appear good when you give them a cursory glance, but closer inspection shows them to be rotten to the core. Just like the government of Argentina.
@68
Sep 29th, 2013 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Because it is finished”
But still a vast improvement on the economies of Spain and Argentina.
@68
Sep 29th, 2013 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AGAIN YOU LIE!!!!!!!
No population growth??????? The UK has the HIGHEST growth in all of Europe!!! over 400,000 new people last year!
No Resources????? The UK has more than enough Oil and Gas resources to supply the economy this combined with the new prospects in the Falklands blows your argument out of the water!! UK natural resources contribute 100s of billions to the economy every year for gods same!!! Yet more lies form TTT
Mountain of Debt???? We still have considerably lower debt to the likes of Greece, Italy, Spain, Japan, Ireland and the US etc, etc and we still have a AAA grade credit rating from most agencies bar a few, we have the ability and continue to pay off our debt, your country can't though. We are also a net loan giver meaning we are owed a hell of a lot more than we owe. Yet more lies from TTT
Weakest recovery???? We have the highest economic growth of any major player in Europe along with Germany, 0.7% and rising, unemployment is down, innovation is still high, manufacturing is on the rise, I could go on, its your country that has the worst economic statistics of the two.
Years of recession? What? Just like every other country including Argentine then?
Whats inflation like now then? Well over 30% by now surely?
More lies from TTT, liar, liar pants on fire!!! No more commenting here for you, you're nothing more than a coward a liar , and hypocrite living from the safety of Canada apparently.
I seriously doubt that you will reply to me, not because you keep to you're word about lying but simply because you have met your match....again. Mind you, pretty much every commentator here can challenge you, and you go off on a sulk.
It is beyond juvenile and at the same time pellucid evidence of the vacuous and friable nature of your arguments, that you all must invent farcical and unprovable “facts” like “I live in Canada”, and not only that, that you the must use this lie as plinth and linchpin of your entire argumentation, without which the remainding drivel collapses into a lake of hyperbole.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To compare the UK to Germany is like comparing Corner liquor with Grangestone whisky.
Argentina has not been in recession for 12 years now. No argentine in their right mind would go to live to the UK, and it's not only because of economics. We tend to dislike self-precious, borderline racist folk.
Toby, GDP has been falsified by at least 2% year over year COMPOUNDED since 2007.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is a lot of fantasy growth that will have to be restated.
You've been in recession since Nov 2011. Just watch your property sales. you can't have GDP growth and falling property sales. It makes no sense.
I've decided the best purchase you can make in the long term, for your very survival are small propane tanks. Buy them now before you can't afford them any longer.
#72
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do have something in common after all We dislike self-precious, congenital liars and racist folk. No Briton in their right mind would go to live in Argentina. Our days of sorting out third world countries has long since past.
@74
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is why for the most part I'm down with the Scottish. And why they can't wait to reinstate Hadrian's Wall to separate themselves from the self-precious, congenital blah blah blah living south of it.
There's a much better chance Catalunya will leave Spain before Scotland leave UK.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Catalunya matters to me because...?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@74/75/77
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still wont reply to me properly coward? Oh Ok its all right we know what a hypocrite you are. You lied and you don't even have the guts to admit it.
Not only are you wrong about Scotland's ambitions but you seem to suffer from a lack of Geography, Hadrian's Wall is in England, it in no way defines the English/Scottish border which is Half a mile from it in the West and 70 Miles from it in the East.
“And Catalunya matters to me because...?” This statement proves that while you try to distance yourself from Europe, you are naturally drawn to your Spanish Forefathers.
You seem to lack symbolic metaphorical skills. Hadrian's Wall is a symbolic turn of phrase I used. Obviously you lack those skills needed to recognize it.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drown to “Spanish forefathers”? You are one droll sophomore.
And Catalunya matters to me because
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike you I used to live in Barcelona for the month of August for about 7 yrs. Catalans HATE Spanish people. Hate them. They think they are lazy and gross. (i agree)
I also traveled to Scotland a lot although I never lived there. and not once did I ever hear anyone speak unflattering about the UK. Not once. They know they can't prosper without the UK. If you've ever been there you'd know why.
@79
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And again you deflect from our original argument, you liar you. So because you lack the moral fibre to say you were wrong about the British economy you desperately pick away at the most minor of details in a futile attempt to deflect from what everyone can see here; You are a HYPOCRITE a LIAR and a Coward!
“Drown to “Spanish forefathers”? You are one droll sophomore.”
They arrived on the continent, they displaced the natives and established their settlements and then one day they adopted a new name. Thats all you are; a renamed Spaniard.
@81
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't wrong about the British economy, I've said it will neve regain it's former glory, and that is true.
@81
That sounds like the English to me. I know this breaks your heart, but I'm not “Spaniard”. Not even in lineage. Tough cookie.
@80
Really? I've met many Scots who find the English appaling? Your point?
My point is:
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WITH a year to go before the Scottish referendum on independence, a batch of new opinion polls suggest that the 'No' vote is well out in front.
A YouGov poll in The Times has the 'No' camp - which wants Scotland to remain part of the UK - on 52 per cent, with those in favour of separation on 32 per cent. The rest are undecided.
A Scotsman/ICM poll at the weekend had a similar result: 49 per cent against, and only 32 per cent in favour of independence. Almost one in five were undecided.
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/55184/scottish-independence-not-likely-current-polls-why#ixzz2gIwlfICY
So you somehow missed the 32% in all your “plentiful” travels? And not only that, I would bet that even among those that would vote no, many don't have a particular fondness of the English... you missed them too?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I've said it will neve regain it's former glory, and that is true.” Yet more lies Boyo, you said and I quote “Because it is finished.” You then went into a rant about population growth, resources, debt etc, and I proved you wrong on all accounts, now you are just twisting your words because I have caught you with your trousers down and have exposed you for what you are; a liar.
“Former Glory” The British economy is set to overtake France again and maintain its position and eventually overtake Germanys. Yet more false statements by you again.
“That sounds like the English to me. I know this breaks your heart, but I'm not “Spaniard”. Not even in lineage. Tough cookie.”
Again fibs and deviation. What sounds like the English? My simple logic in calling you out as a liar? You spawn from a nation settled by Spaniards, created by Spaniards and brought into the modern world by Spaniards. Just because you change the countries name does make you any less of Spanish or of Spanish inheritance. Cultural you are nothing more then a continuation of Spain in the Americas.
I will continue to pursue you on the issue of you lies until you either admit that you lied and that will be the end of it or you leave here and never comment again.
Oh and BTW why would you say; “Hadrian's Wall is a symbolic turn of phrase I used.” How can it be used as such when it has never defined the border between England and Scotland, it never defined the border between the Celtic Irish tribes invading the North and the Germanic tribes invading the South and was only used for about 300 years as a border between the Free Britons and the Romans over 1600 years ago?
@84
Virtually every single opinion pole bar a small handful are against Independence, and even if the Scots actually hated the English, which they don't by the way, it means nothing as the opinion poles have spoken.
OVERTAKE FRANCE AND GERMANY?????
Sep 29th, 2013 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lay off the Ale.
There is no border between England and Scotland anyway, Scotland does not exist and no one recognizes it's existence. Scotland is England, simple as that.
@86
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please Forgive my delay, I was feeding my dogs and I'am afraid this will probably be my last comment of the evening its time for dinner.
Oh he's lost another argument!!!!!!!
And in his desperation he tries to hint that Scotland in somehow constrained be England into a union, oh I think you show and ignorance oh History my friend.
Several economic watchdogs pointed out the decline of France and they are being proved right, France is stagnate. And as for Germany read for
yourself:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coming-soon-europes-biggest-economy-will-be-uk-2013-05-15
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/coming-soon-europes-biggest-economy-will-be-uk-2013-05-15
More articles are avaliable if you bothered to Google. I have trumped you again!!!
Toby, has a hard time distinguishing the past and present.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is the most Union Jack-tinted, speculative, blindly patriotist, assumption-based article I have ever read.
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The premises are: UK will boom indefinitely, Continental Europe will shrink indefinitely.
Even a first year economist student knows the first rule of business: “The only certainty is uncertainty”. This fool of a writer is just that, a fool for believing conditions as are today will remain so FOR EVER.
And btw, the guy is betting on popuation decline! What you have blasted me for using! LOL, make up your minds.
You are counting on a constellation of variable for that scenario to happen. I would almost say I admire your patriotic optimism, but the line between that and foolish chauvinism is quite narrow.
89. Do you not see your hypocrisy from the other thread? Are you seriously that blind?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Weren't you also saying the same thing about the China and the USA last year before we started growing?
Sheesh you have no shame
@89
Sep 29th, 2013 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time for one last comment before dinner; I never claimed that the UK economy will be okay for ever, I simply stated that it is improving at the moment while France is declining economically and Germany from a population perspective.
Once again everything in your comment is disregarded as I never claimed that everything will be Rosy for ever.
Are you going to admit you were wrong or what?? Because if you don't then you will have to leave like you promised, Good night.
@90
He has been humiliated and so he goes off on another subject to try and reinforce his failed presumptions and blatant lies.
He is easily defeated Yankeeboy my friend, just point out were he is wrong and how he has lied and he will comeback with trivial unrelated non-sense before either going off on a racist rant or simply running off like a coward.
85
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How can it be used as such when it has never defined the border between England and Scotland,”
Oh I wouldn't say that is the case.....under DavidI the border was going back and forth like a Yoyo.....
David rebuilt the fortress of Carlisle. Carlisle quickly replaced Roxburgh as his favoured residence. David's acquisition of the mines at Alston on the South Tyne, he also held the castles of Newcastle and Bamburgh.....
....that would be around.... 1139
The present border was not settled for another 200 years.....
never say never....
@92
Sep 29th, 2013 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Err....what? Was my statement incorrect?
Hadrian's wall has never and it never will mark the border between England and Scotland, simple.
I wasn't talking about the England-Scotland border itself which has changed a number of times but has mostly stayed the same over the years, I was schooling the ignorant TTT on matters he knows nothing about.
How in God's name did Scotland get dragged into this topic ?
Sep 29th, 2013 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had to go back up to the headline to remind myself what it was supposed to be about !
#82
“Really? I've met many Scots who find the English appaling?”
I have to ask this, where in the backwoods of Mendoza have you met many Scots ?
I have met many Scots that I find unappealing in some aspects of their behaviour and attitudes because I have lived here since birth.
No doubt I could say the same for any nationality. It's an easy cop-out to be xenophobic by ascribing a dislike of a government or a people by the actions of a few.
I have met probably about a dozen Argentinians all in the UK.
As people, I liked them but even from this point I could not say that I liked ALL Argentinians because I have met only a few.
It must be old age but now I regard people as individuals and base my opinions on this basis.
TTT
You speak with the certainty and arrogance of youth. Wait a few decades and you will find that are not so certain about things as you used to be. Time and experience has the habit of kicking that out of you !
93
Sep 29th, 2013 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No no your statement was not incorrect as such....I was merely pointing out that strangely enough at one point as lands were lost that stretched down to Clitheroe that the border did happen to drop back to a line from Carlisle to Newcastle which so happens to be the position of Hadrian's wall.
....but yes the wall was part of the Roman Empire and at the time neither England or Scotland existed.
@94
Sep 29th, 2013 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what's your excuse for your arrogance? You don't got the “youth” excuse.
#96
Sep 30th, 2013 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not arrogant sonny, I am just continually 100% correct in everything I do and say - a least, that is what my wife tells me.
Being a very perceptive Lady -(note the capital letter)- I know she must be telling the truth.
“Don't got”..... is very ungrammatical and would fail you in any English test. I believe you mean.....you do not have.
This is not arrogance on my part but a friendly attempt to keep your English from slipping into gutter talk.
Well thank you for the grammatical correction. Apparently my attempts at descending to the vernacular of the common folk will go unappreciated.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can enunciate or indite in the English language to a level far superior to the great majority of the natives present in this site , pace your level of instruction and learning.
Oh dear snotty!! Inditing the English language? Whats that sounds a lot of Bull shit. You sell indulgences and fake holey relics as well? I hope that you declare that black income to the tax authorities
Sep 30th, 2013 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 099 redp0ll
Sep 30th, 2013 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, he IS a fake and given he is a teenager his socks will have HOLES in as well.
Does that count? :o)
@100 No his mum threw his socks away long ago as the stink was unbearable
Sep 30th, 2013 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These European morons, we shower three times a day. That's two more times you Euros and Brits shower in your average workweek.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#98
Sep 30th, 2013 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thank you for your appreciation.
Yes you do have a command of the English language. Your verbosity is in a league of it's own.
It's just a pity that you have nothing worth saying.
@102 Three times a day! Wow Your BO must really stink. Of course it all goes in to the sewers to further pollute your home town.
Sep 30th, 2013 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go shave the hair off your European girlfriend.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@105
Oct 01st, 2013 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's something seriously fucking wrong with you isn't there liar?
How did this discussion go from showing that the government of Argentina are either liars or delusional to having a massive rush of Argentinian posters desperate to show that it is not just their government but their people who are liars or delusional.
Oct 01st, 2013 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Current support for Scotland (part of the UK ) leaving the UK 32% - but Argentina feels that this should be celebrated as indicating that Scotland will leave the UK.
current support for the Falkland Islands (which the Malvinas claim should be part of Argentina) staying as independent of Argentina and affiliated with the UK 99% - but Argentina seems to think that they should be able to March in and occupy the a islands.
We all know that Argentina is morally and economically bankrupt but it is good to see my racist stereotypes about Argentina fully demonstrated.
Current support for self determination for the people born on Ascension...0%
Oct 01st, 2013 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Current support for self determination for the people retiring on Ascension...0%
Current support for self determination for the people over the age of 18 without a job on Ascension...0%
UK double standards.....self determination...when it suits!
#108
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tell me one country that does not have double standards when it suits them.
#109
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's always encouraging to see Argies and their apologists coming out clearly in favour of the principle of self-determination. But this latest heartwarming concern for the population of Ascension seems to be based on one article in the Guardian, which curiously enough is roundly contested by an actual Ascension Islander.
”This article really doesn't paint a picture of the Ascension Island I call home. We don't rely on American handouts to avoid scurvy, many people from both the UK and St Helena have their families here (not just the headteacher), and it must be one of the safest places on Earth to raise a teenage girl. The culture of discrimination against Saints that is implied is fanciful; people of St Helenian extraction hold many of the senior positions within government and make up the entire Island Council. Recent job cuts at Interserve reflect spending cuts across the armed forces: the result of global economics rather than a conspiracy to oust the local population. The only genuine issue raised is that of right of abode, which is a longstanding debate with sound arguments on both sides. If this is the only source of information that readers are basing their comments on I would urge you to do more research, or, even better, visit the Island and talk to some of the largely contented population.”
110 HansNiesund
Oct 02nd, 2013 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Typical Gruniard article then. Why let the facts get in the way of a good lie.
This is why the argie trolls love it: they think it matters what it prints when we now it doesn't.
@108
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“UK double standards.....self determination...when it suits!”
Argentina double standards......self determination ...when it suits!
@108
Oct 03rd, 2013 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0so do you THINK the UK has it wrong on Ascension?
If so, does that mean they have it right on the Falklands?
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